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00:05.02rfkhow do i type eg circonflex i in KDE's french azerty keyboard ?
00:05.37rfkaccents too
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01:31.12Tanktaluskmail crashing when certain emails show up in the subject line and are visible ... how can I get in and modify the emails in the local storage?
01:31.50goddardTanktalus: is it from a cpanel server?
01:32.20TanktalusI don't know what email it is, but I'm convinced it's one from like imgur or something stupid with a non-ascii character in the subject line.
01:32.34TanktalusThese also crash the mail filter from time to time.
01:33.20Tanktalusunlikely from cpanel per se since I don't have cpanel :)
01:33.34Tanktalus(For webhosting, I use Dreamhost, which doesn't use cpanel)
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01:40.58goddardTanktalus: i was just thinking if you can delete the message from say RoundCube or something like that and then delete your email store and then readd the account it might help
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01:41.14goddardTanktalus: i just started using Kmail so  Idon't know if you can edit it manually
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01:46.39Tanktaluswell, it's all downloaded via smtp and not available via imap anymore :-S
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02:04.34goddardTanktalus: usually imap keeps the message on the server
02:05.02goddardand smtp sends the message, but it is still stored in the sent messages folder which can be recieved again via imap
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02:05.28goddardthat is why i like using imap over pop3
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02:50.54mac^^^is there a SIMPLE way to turn off screen locking in kde?
02:54.13DarinMillerSystem Settings -> Desktop Behavior -> Screen Locking
02:54.48mac^^^I went there and have unchecked both boxes that can be unchecked , hit apply and it has no effect
02:55.06DarinMillerWhich version of KDE?
02:55.25mac^^^the one with fedora 24B probably let me look
02:56.35DarinMillerHmm, that should be at least Plasma 5.5... which works fine on the 2 distro's I use (kubntu and arch).
02:56.53mac^^^there are over a 100 packages starting with letters "kde" and they unfortunately all have different versions, is there a particular one which will tell me the version?
02:57.18DarinMillerI use kinfocenter to quick check mine....
02:57.50mac^^^DarinMiller ahh when I list packages starting with letters "plasma" its obviously 5.6
02:59.11mac^^^also the part that lets me select timeout, is VERY picky about what I can put in that box, i.e. it allows ONLY minutes and not very flexible on that either
02:59.26DarinMillermac^^^: Hmmm, I don't know what to suggest.  Maybe create new user, attempt the same settings to see if you current setting files are the issue.
02:59.42mac^^^well its a fresh install
02:59.58mac^^^have not had time to mess up configs in home dir yet :)
03:01.46goddardSomething keeps getting corrupted on my system and pressing "w" in my browser opens the browser.  Now even in my terminal this happens as well.
03:01.48mac^^^light bulb! if I can locate the program that asks for password to unlock screen, I can remove that program :) and it all might (focus on "might") work
03:01.50goddardthis is a fresh install
03:02.43DarinMillermac^^^:  If you succeed I would like to know what program you remove. :)
03:03.05mac^^^DarinMiller: i doubt I will pursue that solution
03:03.17mac^^^its not a good one anyway
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03:04.25DarinMillergoddard: I suspect you assigned "w" as your keyboard shortcut for your browser....
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03:04.34goddardDarinMiller: when?
03:04.50goddardDarinMiller: this happened to me before in 14.04 and I did nothing.
03:05.31mac^^^DarinMiller: the only reason I was going to try to remove that program (unlock screen) is because I am so angry at it
03:05.38goddardlast time i tried to reinstall keyboard sets and a whole bunch of stuff
03:06.17DarinMillergoddard: For quick check, are you familiar with the Edit Applications option (right on the K icon on the panel)?
03:07.50mac^^^I've googled a bit and seems like the history of disabling screen locking is a bit buggy
03:08.39mac^^^and another thing: why not put the burden on people who WANT screen locking and make the default NO screen locking? that would please me
03:09.42DarinMillermac^^^: That's one of the 1st things I do and have yet to have trouble. I am constantly installing and updating bleeding edge stuff on several systems with no issue.
03:10.19DarinMillermac^^^: what is CPU/GPU are you running?  Proprietary or Open drivers?
03:10.33mac^^^DarinMiller: I went to Desktop
03:10.50DarinMillermac^^^: ?
03:10.53mac^^^Desktop Behaviour/Screen Locking  and unchecked both boxes and hit apply
03:10.58mac^^^fat fingers
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03:11.08DarinMiller:)
03:11.20mac^^^and that has NO effect
03:11.29goddardDarinMiller: im not talking about "w" opening chromium
03:11.31DarinMillermac^^^: that's what I do too.
03:12.09DarinMillergoddard: Oh, please re-explain as I misunderstood.
03:12.50goddardDarinMiller: im talking about when I am already in chromium and press "w" it opens up the find dialog as if I typed "ctrl+f"
03:12.59goddardDarinMiller: this is the same in Fireox
03:13.31DarinMillergoddard: laptop or desktop?
03:13.50goddardDarinMiller: in the terminal when I type "shift+W" aka capital "W" it types "WR"
03:13.51goddardlaptop
03:14.01DarinMillergoddard: regardless, can you try another keyboard?
03:14.20goddardDarinMiller: I should add it was previously working fine
03:15.25DarinMillergoddard: the reason I ask, I have had keyboards with "sticky" ctrl and/or alt keys and until I figured out it was the keyboard, it drove me crazy
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03:16.01goddardDarinMiller: good suggestion I will look
03:16.10goddardDarinMiller: it doesn't seem to effect this application
03:17.19DarinMillergoddard: to "fix "the issue, I had to tap the offending keys several times to unstick them.
03:18.47goddardDarinMiller: what key combination would open the same as "ctrl+f" like "? + w"
03:19.09goddardnow that is a good question then I could figure out which key is sticking
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03:21.35DarinMillergoddard: the only keystroke that I know initiates "find" is ctrl-f.  But maybe you discovered an alternate.
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06:57.24forgottenonehi,how can i enable vi mode in kate by default?
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08:24.44AfterDarknesshello, (plasma 5.6.4-1; arch) present windows doesn't seem to be working, (global hotkeys are being passed on the focused window)
08:24.53AfterDarknessany ideas what's going on?
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08:29.54cousin_luigiGreetings.
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09:28.18cousin_luigiDoes anyone know if the translations for plasma5-pk-updates are maintained by KDE?
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09:34.44johancbAre you looking for this file?
09:34.46johancbhttp://l10n.kde.org/stats/gui/stable-kf5/po/plasma_applet_org.kde.muonnotifier.po/
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10:40.12ShalokShalomhttps://donjajo.com/creating-wi-fi-hotspot-in-ubuntu-visible-to-android-and-all-devices/#.VzhPvLSUzBQ
10:40.42ShalokShalomdoes this still work for anybody here with a fresh KDE?
10:40.58ShalokShalommy aim is to connect from another KDE
10:41.05ShalokShalomnot Android
10:41.17cousin_luigijohancb: Not sure. In the package I have there are two files: pkupdates.po and plasma_applet_org.kde.plasma.pkupdates.po
10:41.42cousin_luigijohancb: How do I see the contents of plasma_applet_org.kde.muonnotifier.po ?
10:42.27ShalokShalomand why use it WPA instead of WPA2?
10:48.19ShalokShalomhttp://funkyimg.com/i/2bPm5.png
10:48.21ShalokShalomhttp://funkyimg.com/i/2bPm7.png
10:48.31ShalokShalomhttp://funkyimg.com/i/2bPm9.png
10:48.36ShalokShalomhttp://funkyimg.com/i/2bPme.png
10:48.44ShalokShalomhttp://funkyimg.com/i/2bPmg.png
10:48.53johancbcousin_luigi: go to your languages translation page, the po file is located at "extragear-sysadmin"
10:49.37cousin_luigijohancb: hmm, actually I found it inside playground-base
10:50.09cousin_luigibut thanks, will request the files to be assigned
10:50.58johancbShalokShalom: works for me, tested a few weeks ago
10:51.02ShalokShalomok..
10:51.05ShalokShalomin this way?
10:51.09ShalokShalomwith this setup?
10:51.26ShalokShalomand why use mine here WPA?
10:51.48ShalokShalom<PROTECTED>
10:51.58ShalokShalominput happens via usim, 3G
10:52.05ShalokShalommake this a difference?
10:52.33cousin_luigibbl!
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10:52.42ShalokShalomand i need to log into this shared WiFi on the hotspot itself as well?
10:52.50ShalokShalomas a hidden network?
10:53.32johancbYou what to share the 3G internet connection using wifi under KDE, am I right?
10:53.37johancbYou want*
10:53.40ShalokShalomyep
10:53.48ShalokShalomcorrect
10:54.03ShalokShalomit works with the same modem on a XFCE Ubuntu Netbook
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10:54.17ShalokShalom3G Modem
10:54.38ShalokShalomAnd it works local
10:54.53johancbI don't see why this shouldn't work, try setting up a shared Wifi network.
10:55.05ShalokShalomi do
10:55.08ShalokShalomthis is one
10:55.10ShalokShalomshared
10:55.28ShalokShalomi log out of the usim connection, bb
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11:22.48Sashhi, I trying to customize a theme (oxygen) for plasma 5.6. I'm trying to find the size of the the icon in the window top left, as well as the code for the cascading popup menu (want to change transparency and remove some items (area at the left) can anyone give me some pointers where these setting are?
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13:54.50mayhewBluesKaj: hey
13:55.05BluesKajhi mayhew
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13:56.56manjaro-kde5_I am new to open source, i have knowlwdge of c,c++ and python. Please suggest easy bug to fix.
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16:59.48AzelphurHey folks, Using KDE on ArchLinux. I've set my panel to Auto-Hide, but it doesn't work. Any ideas?
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17:02.04DarinMillerAzelphur: I have same issue on my Arch box.  What video card?
17:02.11AzelphurDarinMiller: GTX 980
17:02.24DarinMillerDriver, 364.19?
17:02.38AzelphurYup
17:04.24DarinMillerI have 4 kubutu boxes, 2 with NVidia cards, 364.19 driver, autohide works fine.  One older box with NVida card nouvea driver work, but NVidia340 driver does not. 4th system Intel 4200, plasma 5.6.3 autohide fails.
17:04.54DarinMillerBug filed here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362105
17:04.54AzelphurApologies something has come up and I've gotta run, I will catch up and reply to anything later (I won't disconnect)
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18:52.36stkwill the f-ing madness about baloo, akonadi, nepomuk, strigi ever end?
18:53.30stkthe whole f s have always been a IO excessive and KDE devs for years kept saying that it's not their software problems
18:53.34stkrather tuning
18:54.12stkjesus, is there anyway to even f-ing delete that baloo s***?
18:54.54stkbalooctl disable, and for sometimes, it got freaking turned on again
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18:55.22stkand boom, even SSD Raid 0 cant stand that piece of shitty software, taking over all of disk IO
18:58.09stkI am serious about SSD Raid 0, it's one of my current pcs
18:59.08stkand just a p-o-s named baloo_file_extractor can fuck my entire system up with constant 98% of disk IO
18:59.27neverendingoand what makes you f-ing believe it is really not a tuning problem? why the f- would baloo turn itself on again when it is off and not some f-ing other app? and why are you not sending bug reports if it does not work for you (sidenote: there are indeed users for whom it works). and even more importantly, what exactly does not work, because that is the usual way to fix things. become aware of the problem
19:00.04stkI dont bother create a ticket for this by now, as the whole baloo issues were discussed so many times on mailing lists, forums and bug trackers for years
19:00.20neverendingoif you have a problem description, ask for help. if you want to just rant, there is a #kde-cafe channel, there you can do like that
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19:01.24neverendingoeven more people do not bother to tell that they have it running in background without problems. they probably don't notice because they don't use it. yet it works
19:01.36krytenneverendingo: I'd not be happy to read that there either though. :P
19:01.48neverendingo:)
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19:02.52neverendingothe thing is simple. use what fits your needs. if it comes into your way, remove it or report any problems, with as many details as possible. that helps. rants not
19:03.40stkrationally yes
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19:03.50stkbut, let me ask this question
19:03.58goddardstk: does baloo also log the web pages you visit?
19:04.16stkhas it ever been possible to removed baloo, akonadi, nepomuk from KDE ever?
19:04.22stkremove*
19:04.34stkthe un-ability to remove those were what painful
19:04.44neverendingoi have never tried, because <-- happy user. did you ask that already somewhere?
19:05.14neverendingoagain, it is highly possible another app restarts baloo, not necessarily only baloo's fault. dolphin comes to my mind
19:05.39stkpossibly, yes
19:05.53neverendingothen there are other possible pitfalls. like, old configs, which slow the new run of baloo heavily down
19:05.55stkbut again, the un-abilitybto permanently disable it
19:05.58stkor remove it
19:06.18stkand email threads / tickets were either ignored or turned down
19:06.22SysGh0ststk: I omce had a lot of trouble with baloo and extremely exessive disk I/O. I went as far as creating acompletely new fresh user profile (An empty home folder), and things wen't good from there. In my case it was an old and FUBARd KDE configuration/profile that went haywire.
19:06.30stkfor years
19:06.35stkthat is annoying
19:06.43stkSysGh0st: same here
19:06.49neverendingothey are ignored because they most likely offer no helpful insight into what goes wrong
19:06.53goddardstk: are you a developer, or a rich patron?
19:06.55neverendingojust f-ing blaming ;)
19:07.01stkI went through each and every single config files of KDE
19:07.06stkto debug
19:07.15stkplus some src code reading
19:07.17stkin the end
19:07.35stkthe impossibility to permanently disablenit
19:07.43stkthat annoyed me
19:08.09stkalso, balooctl disable is per user, not system wide
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19:08.49stkI went as far as having Ansible deploy a systemd user service files on every reboot to run balooctl disable
19:09.04neverendingofrom what i can tell, the systemsettings module enables you to disable it. if that does not work -> bugreport
19:09.53stkdid that too, it will get turned on sometimes, unexpectedly. Okay, I'll try to have one more ticket with this KDE PIM's legacy
19:10.12neverendingowell, it makes sense to find out in which situation it starts again
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19:10.32neverendingolike, which app did you maybe start before. this gives a good indication for the bugreport
19:10.45SysGh0ststk: of course. baloo is enabled by default when a fresh profile is created. Like many other things are enabled when "fresh out of the box". I think one can use /etc/skel to give a fresh user a certain desired config if needed.
19:12.22stkSysGh0st: skel is too simple :). I used Ansible to deploy every single customized KDE config files to make sure that nothing being turned on with out my consent
19:12.29stkstill, thing slipped through
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19:12.57stkanyway, guess I ll try to create ticket.. again
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19:13.56tatiehello, i need help with the file manager dialog. wherever i clit it doens't register it. once i get the focus on files though the m ouse button is selecting mutiple files on cling (selection box) rather than simply markign the clicked file. i am talking about the windows that opens if you want to attach a file, save a file etc.  a setting must be wrong, but i do not knwo which one. i 've checked mouse and keyboard setting sbut all looks good.
19:13.58SysGh0ststk: Well, I can at least say that I also have been unable to disable baloo and/or nepomuk. They seem to ignore some settings one have given.
19:14.11tatieworks oK ion dolphin and it appears it is an issue at GTK apps.
19:15.48tatieanyone have any idea how to resolve this? apps liek firefox and such seem to be unsuable right now.
19:16.23SysGh0sttatie: ahve you tried resetting your GTK settings in KDE control Center / System Settings?
19:17.01stkwhich theme? Breeze GTK can be somewhat problematic in my experience
19:18.17stkone way to debug UI is to create a temporary user account, login, make a test case and go through it
19:21.30tatieit's oxygen-gtk; where is the reset? (btw, this is KDE 4.13.3)
19:23.26tatieleft side menu is not even working.
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19:25.19tatieand you can't navigate with keys inside that "save as" widnow
19:31.11tatiechanging gtk3 theme to default works, but it is all verry ugly. so how do i reset gtk-okygen theme?(e.g. ralei
19:33.29stkuse adwaita
19:33.57stkI had UI/UX problems a lot with ozygen-gtk and breeze-gtk
19:34.24stkmight be fixed or improves by modifying the themes yourself
19:34.46stkbut at the end of the day, the effort may not be worthy
19:35.24stktatie: you are having issues exclusively with gtk3 apps, I assume?
19:36.08tatieyes only gtk3 apps it seems. i am having issues with firefox. apparently somethign was missclicked and the issue then started to appear.
19:36.28stkgtk2 apps shouldnt have any problems with unifying look for qt-gtk
19:36.59stknot qt or kde issues, I went deep and found some issues with gtk3 itself
19:37.16stkso for gtk2, oxygen-gtk or breeze-gtk are good
19:37.35stkfor gtk3, adwaita is problably the most reliable option now
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19:40.58stkbtw, dark theme or light theme?
19:41.06stkthe one you are using
19:42.24stkjust in case, adwaita can do well both dark and light
19:42.26tatiei am using oxygen air so light. i went with adawita X-light,looks a bit strange now. however it is working as it should
19:42.59stkya.. not an "unifying look"
19:43.16stkbut I recalled finding some issues with gnome and gtk3 side
19:44.02stkthat looked unlikely to be fixed from their side, dont remember exactly now, though
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19:47.40tatieok i will just leave it for now. maybe i should completelly change the theme or something. i just dont' have time to mess arround so i would usually leave look & feel mostly default. maybe an update will fix the oxygen-gtk. it used to work fine for 2 years now, so i am not sure why suddenly things are behaving...
19:48.10tatiethanks for the advice, need to get some rest now, its getting late here....
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21:35.20fenecois there a way to quick switch sound device order?
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21:39.58thiagowhat do you mean?
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21:42.23fenecothiago: like, switch the default sound device from the that system tray sound options
21:42.38fenecoit shows the sound devices, I can set the volume but I can choose the default one
21:42.46thiagowhat do you mean by default sound device?
21:43.05thiagoI'm still trying to understand what you want to happen. Not how to accomplish it.
21:43.40fenecodefault sound device would be the one that I want to use in the current moment
21:44.22fenecoon windows/osx/ubuntu unity I can select the  audio device that I want to use in the moment, if there's a headset connect I can just select it to be used instead of the speakers
21:44.26fenecogot it?
21:44.30thiagono
21:44.47thiagobut try running pavucontrol. See if you can select there.
21:46.53feneconothing happens when I run this command
21:47.24thiagoyou don't see the control window?
21:47.56fenecopavucontrol
21:47.56fenecobash: pavucontrol: command not found
21:49.17Calinouwhy does Dolphin crash so often when creating folders or moving them?
21:49.57toskyfeneco: I guess you are talking about a Plasma environment; the default applet can't do it in this version (5.6.x) but it will in the next version; in the meantime, kmix can do it (just install and execute it)
21:50.07toskyfeneco: or simply install pavucontrol as suggested
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21:51.36fenecotosky: I saw that I could change the preferred device from system settings, but not as handy as other DEs
21:51.37fenecothanks
21:53.03thiagotosky: kmix can't do it
21:53.30toskythiago: I can change the source used for a certain source (if pulseaudio is used)
21:53.42thiagotosky: using pulseaudio here. kmix can't do what pavu can.
21:53.44toskyargh, I mean, I can change the device used for a certain source
21:53.52thiagotosky: nope, can't do it here
21:53.59thiagoI want to change which device the analog source uses
21:54.12thiagointernal microphone to headset microphone
21:54.25toskyright click on the source, Move->
21:54.57thiagoI don't see a Move option in the right-click menu
21:55.06toskythiago: not on the full kmix; on the kmix that opens when you click on the applet
21:55.22toskydon't open the full kmix windows/click on "Mixer"
21:55.30thiagostill no Move
21:55.38toskywell, there is
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21:56.09thiagokmix 4.6 (according to kmix --version)
21:56.50thiagoah, I see Move, but it's not what I want
21:56.54thiagothe functionality I need is still missing
21:57.45fenecopavucontrol works well too
21:59.18thiagotosky: I want the equivalent of pactl set-source-port
22:00.39toskywhat is the difference? The assigment is stable?
22:00.56thiagono
22:01.06thiagothat's exactly why I want it: because it's not stable
22:01.30thiagoI want to use the headset microphone when I have the headset, not the internal microphone
22:01.42thiagobut pulseaudio keeps using the internal microphone
22:02.16fenecokmix didn't open here
22:02.53fenecoit did
22:02.55fenecoon the tray
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22:03.06thiagotosky: this config, I mean: https://snag.gy/OmVnuc.jpg
22:03.46toskyuhm
22:04.49fenecois there a way to put this pavucontrol on the tray?
22:08.01thiagofeneco: no
22:08.15thiagofeneco: is this functionality I have in the screenshot what you want?
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22:10.31fenecothiago: sort of, I just want to select input device source
22:10.52thiagothere are two selections
22:10.57thiagoone is to select the device for an application
22:11.02thiagothe other is to select the port for a device
22:11.05thiagowhich one do you want?
22:11.29fenecohttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/gckseGHW/
22:11.57fenecothiago: would be the port for a device, I guess
22:12.13thiagoindeed
22:12.18thiagoso it's the same thing I need
22:12.20thiagokmix can't do that
22:12.23thiagoyou need pavucontrol
22:12.35fenecoyes, but pavucontrol did it
22:12.47fenecosame as system settings option
22:13.20fenecopretty nice
22:13.27fenecothanks thiago
22:14.59fenecootherwise I'd have to set it here
22:15.03fenecohttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xxf0wwug/
22:19.26feneconow I got an issue with the output
22:19.43fenecoI can't select all applications at once to use the device I want
22:25.09fenecostill could't figure out what I want
22:25.09feneco:(
22:25.26fenecopavucontrol allow to change per app sound source device, but not all at once
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22:59.19goddardstk: it looks like baloo can be disabled ... does this not work? https://community.kde.org/Baloo/Configuration
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