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| 01:30.08 | azx | why isnt ctrl+alt+k starting konsole |
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| 01:48.52 | vvande | I use Ctrl-Alt-T for terminal. As I recall you can set whatever you want, but can't remember where exactly. Have a look around. |
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| 01:58.06 | cti | Hi |
| 02:02.29 | cti | An error occurred while accessing 'Win 8.1', the system responded: You are not authorized to perform this operation: Not authorized to perform operation (polkit authority not available and caller is not uid 0) |
| 02:02.37 | cti | ØØ |
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| 02:05.52 | cti | ØØ |
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| 02:09.26 | cti | An error occurred while accessing 'Win 8.1', the system responded: You are not authorized to perform this operation: Not authorized to perform operation (polkit authority not available and caller is not uid 0) |
| 02:09.54 | cti | in dolphin |
| 02:10.10 | Tordek | cti are you paying the people in this channel? |
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| 04:37.24 | obZen | Question |
| 04:37.38 | obZen | How do I stop the Klauncher in the panel from searching for documents, music, and whatnot? |
| 04:37.49 | obZen | I disabled those in file search option in systemsettings5 |
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| 04:38.02 | obZen | But they still display in the application launcher |
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| 07:30.00 | dude888 | hello, is it normal that "look and feel" themes are unreliable? when i want to chenge between dark and light it does not work, but somtimes it does etc. |
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| 07:37.38 | dude888 | when i change to the openSUSE theme for instance, it lists the color theme in the details, but its nor really applied |
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| 07:43.30 | dude888 | i just tried activities and the one usefull thing that came to mind. having a night and day theme with background. unfortunatly it keeps the theme |
| 07:43.41 | dude888 | workaround? |
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| 08:06.47 | CruX| | hello, I am using KDE4.x okular in viewing pdf files is very slow compared to google chrome |
| 08:06.54 | CruX| | is there any improvement in kde5 ? |
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| 09:40.32 | goddard | how can i reduce the touch pad scroll speed |
| 09:40.37 | goddard | it is a bit to fast for me |
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| 09:50.34 | BlaXpirit | CruX|, there is no kde 5 okular |
| 09:51.01 | BlaXpirit | goddard, hmmm perhaps go to touchpad settings??? |
| 09:51.42 | goddard | haha i tried that |
| 09:51.53 | goddard | but didn't seem to work |
| 09:51.59 | goddard | do i have to reboot? |
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| 10:06.44 | Kurisutian | Hi guys! Does anyone know where the Dolphin SVN Plugin gets its password from? I changed mine on a server and not I can't use the plugin anymore and don't know where to change the PW. Kwallet does not have an entry for it and I can't find anything... |
| 10:08.03 | BlaXpirit | Kurisutian, uh maybe it's a different kwallet |
| 10:08.39 | BlaXpirit | Kurisutian, please say the version of kwallet and dolphin |
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| 10:10.02 | Kurisutian | BlaXpirit: Kwallet is 5.17.0 and Dolphin is 15.12.0 |
| 10:10.53 | BlaXpirit | Kurisutian, ok that looks correct, both kde 5 |
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| 10:12.12 | Kurisutian | BlaXpirit: When doing something with the SVN Plugin it doesn't even bother asking for a PW. I even removed the existing wallet to verify... but even then no PW prompt showed up |
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| 10:24.15 | Tuju | kwrite has started crashing |
| 10:24.18 | Tuju | 0x14e9350 void QWindowPrivate::setTopLevelScreen(QScreen*, bool) ( QScreen(0xea5810) ): Attempt to set a screen on a child window. |
| 10:24.19 | Tuju | zsh: segmentation fault (core dumped) |
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| 10:24.33 | Tuju | i just lost some information because of that. |
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| 10:32.40 | Dworf | hello, how i can force programs not go under or top of my horizontal panel in desktop? |
| 10:32.57 | Dworf | when i fullsize firefox it will go under the panel... so fustratin |
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| 10:38.59 | cb400f | Dworf: unlock widgets.. click on the thingy to open panel configuration.. -> more settings... -> check what you have configured for panel visibility |
| 10:39.07 | cb400f | does only firefox go under, or other windows too? |
| 10:40.07 | Dworf | yup everything go under, and settings say: allways visible |
| 10:40.33 | cb400f | hm, workz for me... what plasma version? |
| 10:40.40 | Dworf | nevest i guess |
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| 10:40.43 | Dworf | just installed |
| 10:40.58 | cb400f | that would depend on your distro |
| 10:41.16 | Dworf | ubuntu nevest, 14..... with kde desktop |
| 10:42.30 | cb400f | latest would be 15.10... 14.xx is still kde4 even iirc |
| 10:42.45 | Dworf | yup i mean lts |
| 10:43.13 | cb400f | very strange, maybe try if it works for a new user.. or if a reboot fixes it |
| 10:43.40 | Dworf | rebooted. maybe ill try another user.. |
| 10:43.56 | Dworf | not good at all for a start... maybe ill use just windows ;D |
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| 10:44.48 | genstorm | Dworf: you must have changed the default visibility of the panel |
| 10:44.53 | Dworf | hmm does that make any difference i have 2 screens ? |
| 10:44.54 | BlaXpirit | Dworf, shouldn't use ubuntu lts for desktop |
| 10:45.00 | BlaXpirit | Dworf, yes it does |
| 10:47.46 | genstorm | if it is set to 'always visible' it works |
| 10:47.47 | Dworf | genstorm: it wont |
| 10:47.47 | genstorm | ok... |
| 10:47.47 | Dworf | BlaXpirit: why not :( |
| 10:47.47 | BlaXpirit | old trash |
| 10:47.47 | Dworf | can i upgrade lts to nevest without reinstall? |
| 10:47.47 | BlaXpirit | risky |
| 10:47.47 | Dworf | blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 10:47.47 | BlaXpirit | easier and better to reinstall |
| 10:47.47 | BlaXpirit | reinstalling is very easy |
| 10:47.47 | genstorm | the few times I've dealt with kubuntu machines, upgrades were no trouble |
| 10:47.47 | genstorm | for several releasess |
| 10:47.48 | BlaXpirit | genstorm, well this is upgdaring through 3 releases at once |
| 10:47.48 | BlaXpirit | and these upgrades succeeded for me lile 30% of the times i tried |
| 10:47.48 | Dworf | well.. maybe ill download and make new bootable usb stick... not goooood |
| 10:47.48 | Dworf | is there difference to install ubuntu and then install kde or just instal kubuntu? |
| 10:48.12 | BlaXpirit | Dworf, if you're gonna use kde, then kubuntu is more convenient |
| 10:48.32 | BlaXpirit | and you don't get the possible bugs from deleting one thing and installing another |
| 10:48.33 | genstorm | not sure you'll be more happy with current plasma-5's multi-screen management |
| 10:48.34 | Dworf | yup, well iv heard it could be a good to use :D |
| 10:48.43 | BlaXpirit | genstorm, oh yeah... |
| 10:48.54 | BlaXpirit | Dworf, do you have 2 screens side by side and a panel at the bottom? |
| 10:49.10 | Dworf | sideby side and panel in first screen horizontal |
| 10:49.18 | Dworf | alongside secondscreen |
| 10:49.27 | Dworf | i mean |
| 10:49.29 | Dworf | vertical xd |
| 10:49.50 | BlaXpirit | ok Dworf this thing specifically is a long-standing bug in kde that probably won't be fixed |
| 10:50.07 | Dworf | great... |
| 10:50.51 | Dworf | well what do u prefer for 2 screen setup |
| 10:51.11 | BlaXpirit | Dworf, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323230#c28 |
| 10:51.24 | BlaXpirit | i am using a 2 screen setup exactly like what you described, and this workaround worked for me |
| 10:52.11 | Dworf | well okay |
| 10:52.14 | Dworf | do u have kubuntu? |
| 10:52.25 | Dworf | or ubuntu + kde |
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| 10:53.04 | BlaXpirit | Dworf, I have arch linux |
| 10:53.06 | BlaXpirit | ubuntu sucks |
| 10:53.19 | Dworf | ohh okay |
| 10:53.21 | Dworf | lolz |
| 10:53.42 | Dworf | im that noob that im trying to just get in linux world :D |
| 10:53.51 | BlaXpirit | but dont worry, other distros suck more. kubuntu is 2nd best option, in my opinion |
| 10:53.54 | Dworf | have used only terminal with homeserver but no desktops |
| 10:54.00 | BlaXpirit | don't go for arch linux, it's too difficult to install |
| 10:54.06 | Dworf | yup i tought so |
| 10:54.12 | Dworf | well ill install kubuntu |
| 10:54.18 | Dworf | and hope for the best |
| 10:54.21 | BlaXpirit | Dworf, you'll have the same problem |
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| 10:54.32 | Dworf | :( |
| 10:54.34 | BlaXpirit | maybe it's not worth reinstalling |
| 10:54.54 | Dworf | well, i tried in horizontal panel and it did the same thing too |
| 10:54.58 | Dworf | so what is the solution |
| 10:55.03 | BlaXpirit | tint2 |
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| 10:55.48 | Dworf | meh |
| 10:55.56 | Dworf | its that hoverpanel? |
| 10:57.04 | Dworf | can i reinstall kubuntu over ubuntu without usb boot? |
| 10:57.10 | Dworf | just download kubuntu files and install |
| 10:57.34 | Dworf | i think ill install it anyway to get nevest versions |
| 10:58.02 | Dworf | only skype/steam/firefox/putty/firebird installed so not so bad to make another install |
| 10:59.01 | BlaXpirit | putty?? |
| 10:59.08 | Dworf | i like the interface :D |
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| 10:59.16 | Dworf | terminal sucks with irssi xD |
| 10:59.27 | BlaXpirit | konsole is the best |
| 10:59.32 | Dworf | okay |
| 10:59.40 | Dworf | well, its a habit from windows |
| 10:59.43 | BlaXpirit | don't know what terminal you're using, probably from the GNOME part of ubunu |
| 10:59.50 | Dworf | yup |
| 10:59.57 | BlaXpirit | so that's pretty bad, sure |
| 11:00.06 | Dworf | so whats the best |
| 11:00.09 | Dworf | konsole? |
| 11:00.18 | BlaXpirit | well subjectively |
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| 11:00.27 | Dworf | okay |
| 11:00.50 | BlaXpirit | Dworf, you'll get nice kde apps by default if you install kubuntu |
| 11:01.02 | Dworf | yup just started to download |
| 11:04.10 | Dworf | is 8gb swap oversized? |
| 11:04.14 | Dworf | with 8gb ram |
| 11:04.36 | hateball | Do you intend to suspend? |
| 11:04.37 | Dworf | i have 70gb ssd for linux |
| 11:04.42 | Dworf | dunno |
| 11:04.59 | BlaXpirit | Dworf, I'd say you should use either 8GB swap or no swap |
| 11:05.12 | Dworf | okay, ill use the 8gb then |
| 11:05.17 | Dworf | just in case |
| 11:06.09 | hendrix | I've 2gb swap with 4gb ram and it's been more than enough. |
| 11:06.09 | Dworf | so ill install kubuntu 15.10 |
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| 11:06.14 | Dworf | okay |
| 11:07.51 | Dworf | i havent been in freenode like a years, great to see that its so powerfull :D i have been only in quakenet and ircnet |
| 11:08.07 | Dworf | but needed to come here for a advice, and planing to stay indeed |
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| 11:10.21 | Dworf | is there hotkey to change from desktop to another? if i understand right there is sereval virtualdesktops available? |
| 11:10.34 | Dworf | or does that need some software |
| 11:11.25 | BlaXpirit | Dworf, virtual desktops are available, hotkey is available |
| 11:11.56 | BlaXpirit | but you probably need to configure such a hotkey |
| 11:12.02 | Dworf | okay |
| 11:12.15 | Dworf | well ill check it when installed kubuntu, almost usb stick ready to use |
| 11:12.37 | hateball | Dworf: be aware that 15.10 is not LTS, so it only has 9 months support. Upgrade to 16.04 when it is available |
| 11:12.58 | Dworf | i hope that doesnt need reinstall? |
| 11:13.04 | Dworf | only upgrade will be inaf? |
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| 11:14.08 | BlaXpirit | yes |
| 11:14.30 | Dworf | yup great |
| 11:14.51 | cb400f | well, a lot of people are complaining about different dual screen issues with plasma5, so... |
| 11:15.25 | cb400f | so maybe do some tests before doing something drastic.. at least from a livecd |
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| 11:18.47 | hateball | Dworf: by default you will be prompted when the upgrade is available. Then you have the choice to stick with 16.04 for 2 years until the next LTS is released, or upgrade every new non-lts release every 6 months. |
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| 11:19.12 | hateball | If you upgrade to a non-lts release and then dont upgrade from that... it's not much when repos go away |
| 11:19.16 | hateball | much fun* |
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| 11:36.16 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 12:07.01 | Dworf | hateball: yup thanks |
| 12:07.09 | Dworf | atleast it seems like now working the panel |
| 12:07.16 | Dworf | in bottom horizontal atleast |
| 12:07.45 | BlaXpirit | Dworf, yes, it will only work incorrectly between 2 screens |
| 12:08.12 | BlaXpirit | in which case an additional third party panel would work to occupy the place properly and not let the windows go there |
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| 12:11.13 | Dworf | BlaXpirit: okay |
| 12:11.21 | Dworf | well im fine with bottom |
| 12:11.29 | Dworf | it didnt work this well with ubuntu+kde |
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| 12:34.16 | Tuju | i'm not sure about you guys, but when i keep my desktop up n running for days, i end up full mem and full swap, everything is sluggish. |
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| 12:34.44 | Tuju | at some point it's not even enough to kill all browsers. mem is just somewere sticky. |
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| 12:36.25 | hendrix | Tuju: how much you got ram and swap? |
| 12:36.27 | Dworf | gazzhhhh now i installed steam and it wont open.. :( |
| 12:36.44 | Dworf | and software center wont even find steam |
| 12:36.50 | Tuju | hendrix: |
| 12:36.52 | Tuju | Mem: 8100744 5136900 1356576 278040 1607268 2554168 |
| 12:36.53 | Tuju | Swap: 6254588 4922400 1332188 |
| 12:37.09 | Tuju | 8 gig mem and 6 sawp i guess. |
| 12:37.32 | Tuju | having 16 gig mem would probably give me a week or so more and end up to same result. |
| 12:38.33 | hendrix | Tuju: checked which processes reserve much space? |
| 12:38.34 | Tuju | hendrix: X-server eats 12% |
| 12:39.02 | leszek | Tuju: I did not turn off my computer for 2 years now and I don't notice that problem. Though I also did not do any big updates so it is still running KDE SC 4.14 |
| 12:39.30 | Tuju | leszek: i can barely run my desktop for a month or so, after that it gets out of hand. |
| 12:39.56 | Tuju | and i try not to pull any updates that are desktop related, that tends to hose things at once. |
| 12:40.12 | leszek | Tuju: running nvidia maybe ? There was a memleak in their drivers in correspondence with compisiting desktop as far as I remember (though that should be fixed) |
| 12:40.19 | Tuju | noup, ATI here. |
| 12:40.33 | leszek | with radeon driver or the fglrx ? |
| 12:40.37 | Tuju | radeon |
| 12:40.48 | leszek | hmm... Xorg eating 12 % is much |
| 12:40.56 | Tuju | i try to keep my desktop as stock as possible. |
| 12:41.01 | hateball | Dworf: I suggest you use #kubuntu for support with steam |
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| 12:41.04 | Tuju | i've done my share of compiling manually. |
| 12:41.11 | leszek | did you try disabling and reanabling compositing ? |
| 12:41.16 | leszek | maybe its a similiar bug |
| 12:41.17 | BluesKaj | Tuju, run autoremove and autoclean periodically |
| 12:41.42 | Tuju | leszek: noup, thou i think i played with effects at "this run", maybe that was too tall order once again. |
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| 12:41.52 | Tuju | BluesKaj: how do i do that? |
| 12:43.06 | BluesKaj | Tuju, depemds on your OS , usually with apt-get in the terminal with debian based distros |
| 12:43.12 | Tuju | i'd like to have a system where i install a tiny client to my desktop that sends statistics of "how software performs" to central server and devs could get statistics how each version work, are there such problems. |
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| 12:43.41 | Tuju | BluesKaj: sounds like it would remove some file system cache files. |
| 12:43.56 | leszek | BluesKaj: how will that clean up ram though ? It will clean the hd/ssd for sure but not ram and thats the problem of Tuju as far as I understood |
| 12:44.19 | BluesKaj | no, it cleans out left over unused files from upgraded apps |
| 12:44.26 | leszek | and no apt caches sits on the hd/ssd not in ram |
| 12:44.48 | leszek | but it will not clear the ram only hd/ssd |
| 12:45.00 | Tuju | should i keep eye the RES (resident) col in mem listings? plasmashell is eating a lot of that. |
| 12:45.14 | BluesKaj | ok , then he might have a memory leak |
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| 12:45.23 | hateball | Tuju: are you on Plasma 5? |
| 12:45.23 | leszek | RES is real RAM usage so yes this is important |
| 12:45.26 | Tuju | it takes 5gig RES |
| 12:45.29 | leszek | wow |
| 12:45.36 | leszek | Tuju: yeah memleakage somewhere |
| 12:45.45 | hateball | You're welcome: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344879 |
| 12:45.46 | Tuju | i think the problem is that there is no "htop" for plasma's applets. |
| 12:45.54 | leszek | normally it shouldn't eat more than 150 MB |
| 12:46.06 | Tuju | hateball: right |
| 12:46.15 | leszek | Tuju: ksysguard the best tool for memory analyzing |
| 12:46.28 | Tuju | this is fedora, but i guess the problem is the same |
| 12:46.37 | hateball | Tuju: You can restart plasmashell tho, without killing apps etc |
| 12:46.50 | hateball | Tuju: Yes the report is for arch, but I am in there somewhere also with kubuntu |
| 12:46.57 | Tuju | leszek: yeah, that's one thing, that bloody KDE process lister doesn't even start EVER when it's needed the most. |
| 12:47.46 | Tuju | i recall rex saying back then that plasma's process meter (those three bars) leak mem, but i thought that it was fixed for current versions |
| 12:47.48 | leszek | Tuju: Ctrl+Esc for the low end variant and alt+f2 "ksysguard" for the full tool. One or the other should run |
| 12:48.32 | Tuju | leszek: yeah, exactly that window, i have it hooked to that process applet, but it wont start from there anymore. |
| 12:48.40 | Tuju | i think it's busy eating all my mem. |
| 12:49.25 | BlaXpirit | nom nom nom |
| 12:49.43 | BluesKaj | Tuju, are you using file indexing/search and PIM apps like kmail and kontacr then check akonadi server |
| 12:49.44 | Tuju | well, i did neckshot for it and restarted, but it didn free my mem |
| 12:49.52 | leszek | Tuju: then try to start quitting plasmashell first |
| 12:50.08 | Tuju | BluesKaj: i were not until someone here yesterday or so said that i should enable baloo |
| 12:50.23 | leszek | Tuju: Alt+F2 "kquitapp plasmashell" . Then hit Ctrl+Esc to check memory usage |
| 12:50.30 | leszek | it should free stuff |
| 12:50.41 | leszek | and restart plasmashell with Alt+F2 "kstart plasmashell" |
| 12:51.03 | BluesKaj | baloo itself indexes quite quickly at startup tho |
| 12:51.19 | Tuju | aaaaargh, alt+f2 and try to type that, i get kmail's repeated "Multiple candidates, aborting" bug notifis on top of it....grrrr. |
| 12:51.35 | leszek | hehe xD |
| 12:51.41 | Tuju | this starts feeling like a damn muppet show. |
| 12:51.49 | leszek | yeah those notifications without notifications daemon |
| 12:52.10 | leszek | I think clicking them makes them disappear |
| 12:52.32 | Tuju | i would break my mouse button and finger joints with that |
| 12:53.18 | Tuju | kpackagekitd seems to have humble 167MB RES |
| 12:53.19 | leszek | Tuju: they don't disappear after a while ? |
| 12:53.29 | Tuju | they do, but swap remains the same. |
| 12:53.39 | leszek | kpackagekitd ? Why is this running ? |
| 12:53.49 | leszek | also I only know of packagekitd |
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| 12:54.23 | Tuju | you should ask that from fedora folks, they re-invent package management every two years. Only thing that remains is that new one is called *kit. |
| 12:54.41 | Tuju | ouh, and as a side project the installer gets rewritten. |
| 12:55.15 | Tuju | but that i was saying, i would be happy to export my mem consumption as json to some public server, since this is a muppet show. |
| 12:55.39 | leszek | Tuju: nope packagekit in general is a nice idea. I use it all the time as no matter which distro I am on pkcon works the same and I don't have to learn new packagemanager syntaxes or parameters like on arch (which now also supports packagekit). And heck even on my phone I can use it :) |
| 12:55.40 | Tuju | so VIRT is the swap+RES ? |
| 12:56.15 | leszek | Tuju: nope its virtual memory that the kernel holds basically as space for that one process |
| 12:56.16 | Tuju | leszek: i sure there are some great ideas behind it. but i bought this computer for something else. |
| 12:56.36 | Tuju | leszek: hmmm... |
| 12:57.18 | Tuju | anyway, i still mis the red round button that has a white label "Fix the ongoing mem issue". |
| 12:57.51 | Tuju | firefox has attempted that, about:memory has such buttons, but those doesn't really do anything, only neckshot helps. |
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| 12:58.58 | leszek | Tuju: normally the kernel does everything right. And memory handling is black magic on its own. Firefox attempt is a poor workaround for not fixing their bugs in firefox itself |
| 12:59.37 | leszek | Rule Nr.1 never ever mess with memory handling that bypasses the kernel. That is a sure ticket to hell |
| 13:00.46 | Tuju | there you go http://tuju.fi/tmp/muppet.show-20150115.png |
| 13:01.37 | BlaXpirit | that's some nice coloring in your shell |
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| 13:01.46 | Tuju | that's htop |
| 13:02.02 | BlaXpirit | that must be the silly default colors of konsole |
| 13:02.23 | Tuju | i'm more worried about swap as it prevents working. |
| 13:02.26 | leszek | Tuju: ok that Xorg process is definitely eating memory |
| 13:02.54 | leszek | as for packagekitd shouldn't it turn itself off when not needed (e.g. no apper or muon running) |
| 13:03.14 | leszek | rekonq uses also a lot though I guess you have many tabs open there |
| 13:03.24 | Tuju | i've some updates waiting to be installed, maybe it likes to keep itself around |
| 13:03.38 | leszek | the rest looks normal to mee |
| 13:03.51 | Tuju | leszek: i these days have to kill firefox and rekonq quite few many times per day |
| 13:03.53 | leszek | Tuju: ah ok yeah then it is waiting indeed |
| 13:04.18 | Tuju | konqueror is much better in that sense, that's why i keep all important stuff in that |
| 13:05.00 | Tuju | ctrl+alt+esc neckshots are constant, i could buy a USB-desktop button for that combination |
| 13:05.11 | BlaXpirit | Tuju, wow that's crazy |
| 13:05.30 | Tuju | i think in overall, PIM takes way too much mem |
| 13:05.35 | BlaXpirit | are you sure it's not something that you did to break all these? |
| 13:05.50 | Tuju | well, i did some dnf install <names> |
| 13:06.10 | BlaXpirit | distro looks weird to me as well, "/usr/lib64/firefox/firefox" |
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| 13:06.19 | Tuju | i bet you guys just don't run your desktops that long as i do |
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| 13:06.36 | leszek | PIM depends on how many imap accounts you have added to it. So the more you add the more it will take. But in general its an ok usage |
| 13:06.46 | Tuju | or - then some dnf pulls some updates automatically as 'security updates' that breaks things. |
| 13:07.24 | Tuju | leszek: i even run external SQL server to spread the load |
| 13:08.16 | leszek | Tuju: ok I only run sqlite here. Mysql is too much for my workload |
| 13:08.27 | Tuju | but did i understand it right, new mail notifier has reserverd 549MB virtual memory? |
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| 13:09.36 | leszek | I don't think it reserves anything thats just what the kernel gives it. So in general its using about 50 MB |
| 13:10.18 | leszek | Just like I said you get more info about it on the details page of ksysguard which can also show you which libs are causing the most memory usage in a process |
| 13:10.31 | Tuju | i think then we have a set of useless meters as we know what the end result is. |
| 13:10.46 | leszek | It also gives you a detailed explaination how much memory the process actually eats and how it adds up those numbers |
| 13:11.01 | hendrix | pim processes share a lot of ram, so they don't take as much as looking only resident figures suggest |
| 13:11.19 | leszek | hendrix: exactly |
| 13:11.20 | Tuju | kwin appears to be the winner in X11 memory hog series |
| 13:11.34 | leszek | thats why I will repeat myself use ksysguard to analyze memory usage |
| 13:12.02 | leszek | Tuju: then its a memory leak caused by the driver and I suppose compositing is involved |
| 13:12.20 | Tuju | so i should restart Xserver + |
| 13:12.22 | Tuju | so i should restart Xserver ? |
| 13:12.23 | mgraesslin | surprise, surprise, the window manager holding the pixmaps of all application windows uses most memory |
| 13:12.31 | leszek | :) |
| 13:12.38 | leszek | Tuju: yeah restart Xserver |
| 13:12.40 | Tuju | mgraesslin: that being said, i've quite big resolution |
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| 13:13.39 | Tuju | % xdpyinfo|grep dime |
| 13:13.40 | Tuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.41 | Tuju | i have to give it to KDE, that it appers that i've hard time remembering cli commands, so haven't used them a lot recently. |
| 13:15.49 | mgraesslin | that means that KWin's overlay window allone needs something like 8 MB of memory |
| 13:16.08 | Tuju | does amount of virtual desktop matter in that sense? |
| 13:16.25 | Tuju | i've 16 of them |
| 13:16.33 | BlaXpirit | probably :o |
| 13:16.36 | mgraesslin | no |
| 13:16.54 | BlaXpirit | oh, it would still be just the windows on them |
| 13:17.19 | Tuju | the fact is that if I start this system and do my stuff, at the beginning everything works fine with this mem, the swapping starts when time passes along |
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| 13:18.22 | mgraesslin | figure out what causes it and as leszek already said: know your tooling. Top/htop/free <- all broken |
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| 13:18.57 | leszek | Tuju: yeah thats the indicator that there is a memory leak :P |
| 13:19.28 | Tuju | the reason why i hate restarting is that i have some vim processes open - those take time to shut down and reopen in correct files. |
| 13:19.58 | tosky | did you try reducing the default value of swappiness (kernel parameter)? |
| 13:20.10 | Tuju | no no, i did not :) |
| 13:20.20 | tosky | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swappiness -> try 10 |
| 13:20.30 | Tuju | i installed this box and mostly have installed stuff with dnf and that's all |
| 13:21.04 | Tuju | nice to see that linux kernel argument manual is in wikipedia enyclopedia these days. |
| 13:21.52 | mgraesslin | I learned quite some time ago that the easiest way to find X11 extension documentation is to go through Wikipedia |
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| 13:22.03 | leszek | tosky: that does not stop the memory leak |
| 13:22.22 | Tuju | tosky: my swapping is cause by memory consumption, so swap is a sympton, not the problem. i don't think that would help as mem is used too. |
| 13:22.42 | Tuju | the whole virt mem is used. |
| 13:22.59 | Tuju | that only balances how whole virt is used between mem and swap |
| 13:23.09 | tosky | it does not, right, but it depends on how fast the memory is consumed |
| 13:23.25 | Tuju | now it is, both are done. |
| 13:24.03 | leszek | Tuju: please try those things out. Maybe also deactivate the desktop effects and see if it shows any effect on Xorg / kwin memory usage over time. There is nothing else to add to this. |
| 13:24.13 | Tuju | kind of sad that some people write apps with tight control to avoid leaks and someone screws all up in lower level drivers. |
| 13:24.36 | mgraesslin | Wayland will fix it(TM) |
| 13:24.42 | leszek | tosky: tuning the car when its missing a 4th wheel does not help in safe driving |
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| 13:25.56 | Tuju | is ther a master switch for effects? |
| 13:27.04 | Tuju | "enable compositor" ? |
| 13:27.06 | leszek | Tuju: in compositor settings |
| 13:27.30 | leszek | systemsettings -> search "compositor" |
| 13:27.31 | Tuju | ack, thanks |
| 13:27.32 | BlaXpirit | wasn't it removed? |
| 13:27.37 | Tuju | it's still there |
| 13:27.49 | BlaXpirit | "enable compositor on startup" is still there |
| 13:27.55 | BlaXpirit | but toggle isn't |
| 13:28.12 | leszek | Also Ctrl+Shift+F12 if I remember correctly toggle it on/off |
| 13:28.15 | BlaXpirit | but you can set up a keyboard shortcut at least |
| 13:28.36 | BlaXpirit | oh while we're at this |
| 13:28.57 | BlaXpirit | I can boot my system under 2 different drivers. one supports opengl, and one doesn't so kwin switches to xrender |
| 13:28.59 | leszek | Sorry Alt+Shift+F12 |
| 13:29.02 | BlaXpirit | video drivers that is |
| 13:29.32 | BlaXpirit | how can I automatically switch back to opengl when I'm using the good video driver again? |
| 13:31.50 | Tuju | kde settings have a selection between opengel 2, opengel 3 or xrender |
| 13:32.02 | vbgunz | BlaXpirit: what leszek said should be the toggle shortcut key, otherwise system settings > hardware > display > compositor |
| 13:32.24 | BlaXpirit | no, the toggle does not work. |
| 13:32.37 | BlaXpirit | it's a separate thing. compositing doesn't properly work on xrender |
| 13:33.02 | BlaXpirit | Tuju, yes, the selection is there but I don't want to do it manually every time |
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| 13:33.40 | BlaXpirit | hm it's probably written to some config file so i could edit it before kwin starts....... |
| 13:33.49 | hateball | It is |
| 13:34.11 | BlaXpirit | I already install graphics drivers on the fly, editing this config file is no big deal xD |
| 13:34.30 | hateball | BlaXpirit: ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc on 4.x |
| 13:34.35 | mgraesslin | having profiles would be nice |
| 13:34.37 | hateball | It'll be similar on 5, I suppose |
| 13:34.50 | mgraesslin | ~/.config/kwinrc |
| 13:34.52 | BlaXpirit | hateball, sure. thanks |
| 13:34.57 | mgraesslin | config values per se haven't changed |
| 13:35.00 | BlaXpirit | mgraesslin, what profiles are you talking about |
| 13:35.09 | mgraesslin | well config profiles per GPU |
| 13:35.16 | BlaXpirit | right. |
| 13:35.37 | BlaXpirit | or maybe trying to switch back, after the fallback is picked |
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| 13:38.15 | prillian5 | KDE5 (before on Kubuntu, now on Manjaro) I have dualscreen on ASUS-N76vz. Since upgrade to KDE5... if Laptop LCD turns of, cause Powermanagement, it won't come up again. |
| 13:38.16 | prillian5 | why? |
| 13:38.21 | prillian5 | known bug? |
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| 13:53.10 | BlaXpirit | kinda |
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| 14:28.38 | Kalimer0 | installed dolphin but its only partly translated? how can i fix it? |
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| 14:29.42 | BlaXpirit | Kalimer0, what version |
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| 14:34.29 | Kalimer0 | BlaXpirit: 15.12.1 |
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| 14:35.05 | BlaXpirit | Kalimer0, well you could try installing a kde-l10n package, but it's probably juust an unfinished translation |
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| 14:40.15 | Kalimer0 | BlaXpirit: Thanks again. Reboot and testing brb |
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| 14:43.35 | Kalimer0 | BlaXpirit: it worked thanks again |
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| 14:57.59 | Taoki | Hello. The printscreen key is no longer doing anything for me, in openSUSE Tumbleweed with its latest stable version of KDE. Anyone know why? |
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| 14:59.56 | BlaXpirit | Taoki, because ksnapshot is gone |
| 15:00.11 | Taoki | ... |
| 15:00.11 | BlaXpirit | and replaced with spectacle |
| 15:00.25 | BlaXpirit | go to custom keyboard shortcuts, the new ones may have appeared there. if not, recreate them to use spectacle |
| 15:00.27 | BlaXpirit | Taoki, |
| 15:00.52 | Taoki | Where exactly is the shortcut set? |
| 15:01.13 | BlaXpirit | Taoki, are u in custom keyboard shortcuts? |
| 15:01.39 | Taoki | Yes. Global Keyboard Shorctuts? |
| 15:01.47 | BlaXpirit | Taoki, custom shortcuts |
| 15:01.52 | BlaXpirit | does that sound like global? :| |
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| 15:02.57 | Taoki | Fixed it. Thanks |
| 15:04.44 | anabain | does anybody know why there's not a qdbus property to get the pwd of the dolhpin app (at least that I'm aware of)? |
| 15:04.55 | Taoki | Sounds like KDE is failing to automatically update those shortcuts. |
| 15:05.11 | BlaXpirit | Taoki, i dont think it even tries |
| 15:05.20 | BlaXpirit | never seen it succeed, anyway |
| 15:05.58 | BlaXpirit | anabain, "it's not consistent with what IPC APIs are commonly used for" |
| 15:06.11 | Taoki | BlaXpirit: I don't think most end users will be happy with system features inexplicably being gone. I know many who would go on a rant about Linux always being bad over something like this. |
| 15:06.30 | Taoki | The printscreen key worked with the old screenshot tool out of the box, so it should work with the new one too IMO. |
| 15:06.39 | BlaXpirit | i've gotten used to consistenly numerous regressions of kde |
| 15:06.48 | BlaXpirit | at least this one can be fixed by a normal user |
| 15:06.58 | BlaXpirit | Taoki, well it works with the new one out of the box |
| 15:07.33 | Taoki | The shortcut didn't update for me automatically |
| 15:07.58 | BlaXpirit | Taoki, yes, i mean if installed from scratch the new tool is set up properly |
| 15:08.31 | BlaXpirit | this is arguable, not easy to get this update right |
| 15:09.13 | BlaXpirit | how do you imagine it, check if someone has an action on the printscreen key and the action is a command that launches ksnapshot, if so, replace it |
| 15:09.15 | BlaXpirit | kinda fragile |
| 15:09.34 | Taoki | BlaXpirit: I'd think that when KSnapshot is replaced with Spectacle, you change the shortcut as well. |
| 15:09.44 | Taoki | I might be missing some things however. |
| 15:10.02 | BlaXpirit | Taoki, well i'm saying why it's not so obvious how the shortcut should be changed |
| 15:10.04 | anabain | BlaXpirit, well, if people had known in advance what uses a tool can feature, I think we'd still be in the prehistorical age... |
| 15:10.18 | BlaXpirit | because these shortcuts can be edited by the user however they want |
| 15:11.22 | Taoki | BlaXpirit: To do the old thing. Like if the key previously launched KSnapshot, it would now launch Spectacle. |
| 15:11.57 | Taoki | This isn't to complain for my case as much, BTW. Just that this sort of thing makes a lot of people feel that Linux is unstable, inferior to Windows, full of bugs and things changing when they shouldn't be, etc. |
| 15:12.02 | Taoki | So it kinda makes me sad for that reason :) |
| 15:12.16 | BlaXpirit | nobody likes fixing bugs for free |
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| 15:12.29 | BlaXpirit | now, rewriting things, that's more fun!! |
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| 15:15.45 | calincru | Hmm it seems to me that plasma 5.5.3 is a little bit buggy. The newly added color of applications in taskbar blink when hovering the taskbar. So does hovering search results in Alt-F2 |
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| 15:16.38 | BlaXpirit | calincru, it's probably kde frameworks 5.17 |
| 15:16.47 | BlaXpirit | but sure, it's buggy |
| 15:17.04 | BlaXpirit | wait, actually it is probably plasma |
| 15:17.35 | calincru | I don't know, I made a full update this morning and this is what I got |
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| 15:18.39 | BlaXpirit | calincru, you're not the first or the last one to notice the "improvements" |
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| 15:21.44 | anabain | calincru, I myself am having issues with X on kubuntu 15.10, some of them most annoying |
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| 16:26.30 | fraxinath | any idea if there is a way to permanently hide certain devices from the places panel in kde5 dolphin/file dialogs ? if i hide them, they always re-appear after restarting dolphin |
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| 16:31.53 | leszek | fraxinath: thats not possible |
| 16:32.12 | fraxinath | that is very very sad actually |
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| 16:39.57 | fraxinath | leszek: where can i file a feature request? |
| 16:40.17 | fraxinath | i mean, which component is that |
| 16:40.54 | leszek | I guess it is solid. Though I think its a general issue of the distro |
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| 16:41.29 | leszek | though it might use something else |
| 16:43.04 | fraxinath | uhm, so... ? |
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| 16:52.20 | stevessss | so.. wide-gamut kde support? |
| 16:52.27 | stevessss | for displays that require icc profiles to look decent |
| 16:52.38 | stevessss | adobeRGB display, rec2020 native display |
| 16:52.42 | stevessss | prophotoRGB display etc |
| 16:53.56 | stevessss | I think most apps need to have default sRGB color profile, unless they specify one to load, or send a color in cms color space or absolute color coordinates |
| 16:54.15 | stevessss | and the image libraries need to be color-profile aware |
| 16:56.17 | stevessss | ahh.. has it already |
| 16:57.10 | stevessss | I want my photo editors not color-corrected though, as they need the full range of a wide-gamut display |
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| 17:05.52 | calincru | where is network manager saving wifi connections profiles? |
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| 17:10.47 | rattking | take a look in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections |
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| 18:00.35 | rindolf | Hi all. How are you? |
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| 18:29.36 | goddard | how can i reduce the touch pad scroll speed |
| 18:29.59 | goddard | also how can i bind the tux key(super) instead of alt-f2 |
| 18:31.12 | leszek | goddard: for the touchpad go to systemsettings -> input devices -> touchpad . On the second tab there you can set the scroll speed |
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| 18:31.58 | leszek | goddard: for the super key. It is usually reserved as modifier key so it cannot be set directly with board tools of plasma. But you can download a small app called ksuperkey which should take care of it |
| 18:32.23 | goddard | ok thanks |
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| 19:24.53 | goddard | leszek: you still around? |
| 19:25.02 | goddard | bluetooth isn't working for me |
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| 19:25.13 | goddard | got a bluetooth speaker that refuses to connect |
| 19:25.16 | goddard | what should i do? |
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| 19:26.51 | jsamyth | What file do i need to modify in current Baloo version to force indexing content of plain text file? |
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| 19:29.56 | renn0xtk9 | Anyone knows how to proceed if I want to copy paste activites from one computer to another ? which files/folder to copy paste etc. |
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| 19:33.50 | jsamyth | renn0xtk9: Maybe stuff in /home/jsa/.local/share/kactivitymanagerd/ ? |
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| 19:38.12 | renn0xtk9 | don't have such directorires |
| 19:38.23 | renn0xtk9 | I havec /home/max/.kde/share/apps/plasma-desktop/activities |
| 19:38.45 | renn0xtk9 | in which there seems to be configuration files for some of the file but surprinsingly not all of themn |
| 19:39.22 | jsamyth | renn0xtk9: Well, you have trim off the part about my local directory and substitute yours..... |
| 19:40.29 | jsamyth | renn0xtk9: Also check out /home/max/.config/ for a couple files that mention kactiviy in their name |
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| 20:47.16 | stoned | Hello guys, I start systemsettings in debian 8 but I don't get a joystick config page |
| 20:47.21 | stoned | What package do I need? |
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| 20:47.55 | stoned | http://i.imgur.com/TWOxbOj.png This is all I see |
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| 21:05.29 | TorhamZed | Under the section for "hardware", there should be an item/entry for "Input Devices" |
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| 21:05.45 | TorhamZed | I don't know why you don't have it, but that should help you ask a more specific question so you can get the answer faster. |
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| 21:07.09 | TorhamZed | http://www.lostsaloon.com/wp-content/uploads/kde-system-settings.png |
| 21:07.18 | TorhamZed | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DTlPzXFwkHg/VG99e6NiGbI/AAAAAAAAAxk/640HBBdDcQQ/s1600/synaptiks.png |
| 21:07.30 | TorhamZed | Hope that helps |
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| 21:13.36 | TorhamZed | Looking at my Fedora RPMs, it looks like plasma-applet-kimpanel might be a good candidate for what you need. |
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| 22:07.06 | cluelessperson | can someone help me start using KDE |
| 22:07.18 | cluelessperson | I just startd using it, and I'm a bit confused |
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| 22:09.13 | leszek | cluelessperson: just ask your questions. We are here to help |
| 22:09.46 | cluelessperson | Actually, I think I just moronically installed the kde-netbook |
| 22:09.58 | cluelessperson | and it's horrendous, but kde-desktop seems much better. phew |
| 22:10.30 | leszek | :) |
| 22:11.52 | cluelessperson | Does anyone know how to get rid of that starting banner? |
| 22:12.14 | cluelessperson | it shows a centered rectangle, with several icons fading in, while the screen flashes. Makes it look... broken |
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| 22:14.39 | Keziolio | Install plasma desktop |
| 22:15.32 | jsamyth | That's called cool, not broken. Got to Start-buttin Settings, system settints, start-up/shutdown, Login screen, and pic one. |
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| 22:29.18 | mike-zal | cluelessperson: if the splash screen flickers, then it's you may have the same issue as me after last update. luckily it's easy to fix: https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=30136.0 |
| 22:30.15 | cluelessperson | mike-zal, I think it's an opengl issue |
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