IRC log for #kde on 20151118

00:04.19infinmedkde are you alive, let me look
00:04.22infinmednope
00:04.26infinmedHave a horrible day
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01:21.11KorhonenIs there any way to disable the icon theme completely and just not display icons any where?
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01:46.09boombatoweris there no real alternative to the waste widget from 4.x?
01:46.19boombatowerquickshare kinda works, but is far more clunky
01:46.51boombatowerused to be able to press shortcut to upload directly to imgur/pastebin and get back url in clipboard
01:46.54boombatowernothing else comes close to that
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02:11.25diaegouLKWallet keeps popping up and I don't want it to.
02:11.34diaegouLIt's not in my Startup Programs or Services.
02:12.10diaegouLAnd by "keeps" I mean when I log in.
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02:14.47chrisb2244diaegouL: Is it storing a password used by, for example, an email checker?
02:16.09diaegouLIt might be. It only did this after I configured KMail.
02:16.21chrisb2244(unrelated) When I start plasma, my desktop is black and I have no toolbar/panel. What did I screw up the build of? I don't remember rebuilding anything related to KDE/Qt/Mesa last time I was logged on, but after logging out (and presumably freeing the libraries and loading new ones) I now have no background or toolbar
02:18.05chrisb2244I can open Konsole using KHotkeys (or whatever), and then run programs with no problem - eg, Kile and chrome
02:19.10chrisb2244diaegouL: That would be my guess then. I don't know what a good workaround is - essentially you're replacing having to type your email acct password (and any other passwords the wallet is holding) with having to type the password to open the wallet
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02:19.30chrisb2244You could remove the password on the wallet, but then you have no security (I think...?)
02:19.53chrisb2244At least, someone with no knowledge of your passwords could use your pc to log into email etc
02:20.10diaegouLYou know I never even put in a single password for my addresses. I am off my rock today.
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02:28.09diaegouLAnyone know about setting passwords for KMail?
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02:44.46diaegouLNevermind, I uninstalled it.
02:45.10diaegouLIn other news, Update Manager doesn't install any updates.
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04:25.21ghormoonhi, kmix is just a sort of gui over pulseaudio or does it something more itlsef?
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05:41.58CirclePixelQuick question, what is/is there a terminal command to open the fullscreen app launcher?
05:42.22CirclePixelI want to replace the default panel with Plank but need the app launcher as a shortcut.
05:45.23thiagowhat app launcher?
05:45.45thiagothe menu from Alt+F1 or the search interface from Alt+F2?
05:46.06CirclePixelalt+f1 fullscreen launcher
05:46.36CirclePixelhttp://linuxbsdos.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/KDEMenu3-600x450.png
05:46.38thiagoI've never seen it full screen
05:46.40CirclePixelto clear any confusion
05:47.02thiagothat's a widget I don't have, so I don't know how to make it show
05:47.16CirclePixelhm, it's been there as default in every plasma 5 install i've had haha
05:47.31CirclePixeleven installing kde by itself on arch
05:47.38thiagoit's not the default on plasma 5
05:47.51thiagonot on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed anyway
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05:48.18CirclePixelit's not the default, but it's <there> by default
05:48.22CirclePixelat least as far as I know it is lol
05:48.43CirclePixelright click launcher icon > alternatives > application dashboard
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07:36.516A4AA5HTIGreetings
07:37.066A4AA5HTII may know you, do you live in germany?
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08:41.30JyZyXELif conky could be a plasmoid, then that would be a real nice thing
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09:52.49timssHi. Trying to login using AD/ldap. The only option I get in sddm is my local user and 'nobody', even though I set MaximumUid to more than the AD users, and there doesn't seem to be an option to type in username/domain manually. Any fix, or do I have to change display manager?
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10:56.50bifidotftwI use "save session: to load the arrangement of windows after relog. It works like a charm except only the first firefox window is opened and the rest is disregarded, does anybody know a solution to that?
10:58.11JyZyXELbifidotftw: for me the sessions saver doesn't even restore iceweasel/firefox
10:59.50bifidotftwJyZyXEL: Do you manually save session?
10:59.56JyZyXELyeah
11:00.01bifidotftwAre you on KDE4?
11:00.04JyZyXELyeah
11:00.44bifidotftwJyZyXEL: Only firefox?
11:00.53JyZyXELbifidotftw: and i start my iceweasel with the '-P myprofile' argument
11:01.09JyZyXELbifidotftw: yeah, everything else i use is restored
11:01.31JyZyXELi don't really mind iceweasel not being restored at startup though
11:01.42JyZyXELall i need to do is to click the icon and it starts
11:02.07bifidotftwI think KDE somehow screws up because it uses the command to switch to an open firefox instead of opening a new one after the first one is opened.
11:03.22JyZyXELkde probably uses the same command that you originally used to start it
11:04.24JyZyXELperhaps your firefoxes session restore is not configured properly?
11:04.29bifidotftwYeah, I start it via command from alt+F2.
11:05.30bifidotftwI think the command firefox provides is just crap.
11:05.49JyZyXELmaybe you have to manually do History -> Restore previous session
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11:06.29JyZyXELdepending how your browser.sessionstore.* is set in about:config, it might not do that automatically
11:07.02JyZyXELand as a sidenote, i don't think KDE/firefox still is capable of restoring the windows to correct workspaces/activies anyways
11:07.25bifidotftwNot when saved automatically, thats for sure.
11:08.20JyZyXELi use Session Manager extension for managing firefox sessions
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11:10.39bifidotftwJyZyXEL: So you use this to open several windows upon starting firefox once?
11:11.24JyZyXELyeah it lets me choose the session(meaning windows) that i want to restore upon startup
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11:14.56bifidotftwJyZyXEL: Doesn't work with disabled history, maybe thats why firefox cant restore it either.
11:15.31JyZyXELyeah its probably just configured wrong
11:15.46JyZyXELi never could figure out how the default session management was supposed to work in firefox
11:16.10JyZyXELand usually it just would end up corrupting the store eventually
11:16.19JyZyXELthats why i switched to Session Manager
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11:17.40bifidotftwHe treats logout as crash and offers me to restore windows. Is KDE just killing everything on logout?
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11:19.22JyZyXELmaybe KDE first sends SIGTERM, and once that times out (because closing firefox is slow) then it sends SIGKILL?
11:20.10leszekexactly
11:20.41bifidotftwBut still KDE should be able to open firefox 3 times after login..
11:21.01JyZyXELdo you have firefox in your autostart apps?
11:21.53bifidotftwNo
11:22.00bifidotftwAutostart ist empty
11:22.02JyZyXELok, i was just wondering
11:22.53JyZyXELbut kde does open firefox for you after login, so it is in fact working for you
11:23.02bifidotftwYes, but only 1 window out of 3
11:23.05JyZyXELjust that firefox is not restoring your session automatically
11:23.14JyZyXELthat's a firefox problem
11:24.04JyZyXELtry setting: browser.sessionstore.max_resumed_crashes to something really high?
11:24.29JyZyXELsince if firefox always treats a log out as a "crash"
11:24.53JyZyXELand browser.sessionstore.resume_from_crash should probably be true
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11:25.42JyZyXELor press Ctrl+Q in firefox and let it shut down properly before logging out of your KDE session
11:25.56bifidotftwHm. Firefox should not be interested in that, at least thats my approach. No crash restore should prevent the opening of new windows after login
11:26.39JyZyXELyou can not open new windows by doing alt+f2 and "firefox"?
11:27.35bifidotftwI can, but I don't want to :P
11:27.45bifidotftwI think max_resmed_crashes 0 is what I want.
11:28.14JyZyXELet the preference value to 0 if you do not want the previous session automatically restored after a crash or unexpected close.
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11:29.11JyZyXELisn't that exactly what you DON'T want
11:29.45bifidotftwI don't want firefox to do anything after a crash. Just behave like nothing happened!
11:30.02jfmcarreiraheyy guys
11:30.07jfmcarreirahow is the support forwayland?
11:31.00JyZyXELbifidotftw: ok so set it to 20000 for example
11:31.22JyZyXELthat should cover many years of usage ;)
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11:33.27JyZyXELjfmcarreira: if you do decide to try it, please do share how awful of an experience it was :P
11:33.57bifidotftwJyZyXEL: So what is the expected effect now?
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11:34.29jfmcarreiraJyZyXEL: so i will defenetly not try it :D
11:34.48jfmcarreiraJyZyXEL: i guess it is not even worth to build support for it in gentoo
11:34.59JyZyXELbifidotftw: it should restore your session normally even after a crash
11:35.52JyZyXELjfmcarreira: i guess so, if you are so sure you don't want to try it
11:36.21bifidotftwI see we have to different approaches. You want firefox to restore a session, which I think is not possible with disabled history. I want firefox to do nothing but KDE to open 3 windows.
11:37.03JyZyXELoh, you just want 3 empty firefox windows after startup?
11:37.19bifidotftwYes, plain empty.
11:39.09bifidotftwBut thinking about it, a restored session in 1 window would be nice, but I guess therefore I would need to enable history
11:39.11JyZyXELyou could do that with a firefox extension
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11:40.05JyZyXELits more of a firefox issue, kde just executes the firefox command for you
11:40.17JyZyXELor just add a couple of firefox commands into autostart?
11:40.27bifidotftwHow do I find out the pidof of konqueror?
11:40.32JyZyXELor make a little script to do it for your and put that in autostart
11:40.58JyZyXELwrite "pidof konqueror" in the shell
11:41.18bifidotftwWell yeah that would be obvious, but there is none active so I guess the name is wrong.
11:41.44bifidotftwAnd yes, konqueror is opened.
11:43.22JyZyXELpgrep is another tool to find processes
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11:45.11bifidotftwThanks. It's as I thought.
11:45.32bifidotftwNo matter how many firefox windows are open, there is just one process, konqueror has one for each.
11:46.04JyZyXELyes, firefox doesn't support multi-process very well
11:46.17JyZyXELyou can however have multiple firefox profiles running at the same time
11:46.38JyZyXELor alternatively switch to Chromium
11:47.40JyZyXELFirefox Nightly also has support for multiprocess, but not all extensions support it yet
11:47.55JyZyXELso pick your poison
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11:50.58bifidotftwOk when I login I have to restore session and then the windows are as they are supposed to be. No I'm pretty sure that the last step can be automated as well.
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11:54.26bifidotftwThere we go: seting max_resumed_crashes to 999999 did the trick.
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11:56.10JyZyXELand that's because KDE closes firefox... by essentially crashing it :P
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12:00.28bifidotftwWhen I want to restore windows after login I have to enable browsing history, which makes sense. But when I make it delete upon exit it still works :o
12:01.58bifidotftwWell I think now its the way I want, thanks JyZyXEL.
12:02.01bifidotftwbrb
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12:13.52vladimiroffI'm trying to find the GMail integration resource with KDE PIM noted here: http://www.dvratil.cz/2014/06/improved-gmail-integration-in-kde-pim-4-14/
12:14.53vladimiroffHowever when I try to add new account in KMail 5.0.3 I don't see a GMail resource there
12:15.12vladimiroffHas it been removed at some point?
12:15.13dvratilhmm, I thought I updated it with the link to the second post
12:15.13dvratilhttp://www.dvratil.cz/2014/07/no-gmail-integration-in-4-14-after-all/
12:15.43dvratiltl;dr: o GMail resource after all, did not have time to finish it yet. You can still use the regular IMAP resource to get GMail emails
12:17.25vladimiroffdvratil: oh... that's sad. I wanted this integration most due to the annoying duplication of each mail with a label.
12:18.05vladimiroffDo you have any progress to share? I mean do you still plan to merge this integration at some point?
12:19.03dvratilGoogle has introduced a new REST API that would be much better to use; I have partially implemented the API in libkgapi (needs some work) and I think I started porting the resource too
12:19.20dvratileventually I'd like to merge all the Google resource into one "groupware" resource
12:19.36dvratilthere's some work to be done, but it's nothing super-difficult, any help is welcomed :)
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12:20.19vladimiroffdvratil: awesome! Where can I see the code for this? I
12:20.56dvratilvladimiroff:  the API is implemented in libkgapi, there is a "gmail" branch in git
12:21.22dvratilneeds rebasing on current master, and implementing the missing bits
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12:22.54vladimiroffhttps://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/libs/libkgapi/repository/show?rev=gmail
12:22.56dvratilvladimiroff:  the current Gmail resource (which is not using the REST API, but IMAP with Google's extensions) is in kdepim-runtime.git/resources/gmail - it's currently disabled
12:23.10dvratilyeah, that's it
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12:24.16vladimiroffokay. so, in order to figure out what is the progress and what needs to be done, I need to activate the gmail resource in kdepim-runtime and compile the gmail branch of libkgapi  (after a rebase on top of master, of course)
12:24.17vladimiroffright?
12:25.05dvratilvladimiroff:  the resource in kdepim-runtime does not need the gmail support in libkgapi
12:25.18dvratilit should build against master or stable branch
12:25.59dvratilnot sure if it still compiles though, it was turned off for quite a while and the KF5 port might be incomplete
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12:26.42dvratilbasically if the resource should be using the new GMail REST API from libkgapi, it's better to write it from scratch (just taking some code logic from the existing one)
12:27.17vladimiroffgot it. Okay, will try to make something out of this. thanks
12:27.43dvratilvladimiroff:  thanks for helping, if you need any help, just ping me
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12:33.10vladimiroffdvratil: haven't help in any way, shape or form, yet. Will try, though and will ping you if I actually get to somewhere :)
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12:38.48dvratilvladimiroff: btw if you don't have a KDE contributor account, you can fork libkgapi on github  and play with it there
12:39.21vladimiroffdvratil: yeah. That's what I intend to do until I actually have something to contribute
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13:27.07pdobrogost_Hi all!
13:28.03pdobrogost_Guess what, I have a problem :) The problem is that systray icon for IM contacts disappears. How can I restart IM contacts applet?
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13:47.40rdieterpdobrogost_: right click systray "^", system tray settings -> General -> extra items, (re)check item "Instant Messaging"
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13:48.26rdieterpdobrogost_: there's currently a qt5 bug that systray applet icons may not show correctly (maybe what you're seeing), but one workaround is to toggle it off and back on again
13:49.44pdobrogost_rdieter: Thanks, it works. One has to click apply after toggling it off, otherwise it does not work.
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14:04.11pdobrogost_rdieter: Is there a way to start specific applet from command line?
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14:06.46rdieterpdobrogost_: not in your current plasma sesssion, unless you want to use something like plasmawindowed
14:07.12rdieter(I'm not aware of any at least, it may still be possible)
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14:11.32pdobrogost_rdieter: Do you have link to the bug you mentioned?
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14:15.10rdieterpdobrogost_: similar to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352055
14:15.26rdieterand, https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-48870
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14:17.36AciD`anybody else get some really weird (never seen it before) glitch problem on qt application (using kde 4.14.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa2), as seen on http://i.imgur.com/ySaGuP4.png http://i.imgur.com/Ernv5hA.png  and http://i.imgur.com/TrZabft.png ?
14:17.54AciD`deactivating the compositor change nothing
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14:21.08rdieterAciD`: sometimes once the video driver starts glitching like that, the only fix is restarting X (or rebooting)
14:21.40AciD`well, I'd like to know the cause of this, since I never saw that kind of stuff until yesterday
14:22.17AciD`and the only remote thing I did on my comp latelt was to upgrade my "Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS"
14:22.27AciD`with this ppa..
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14:28.56rdieterAciD`: a good question for your distro then
14:29.13rdieterAciD`: most likely kernel/driver related
14:29.32AciD`I don't recall updating that lately though :/
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15:36.38speederusing alt+f2 opens a box, but after hitting enter on it, nothing happens
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15:43.01Qantourisckcontact is missing ... contacts
15:43.04Qantouriscany idea ?
15:43.52Qantouriscakondia has contacts
15:44.04Qantourisckontact(14989)/kdecore (KLibrary) kde4Factory: The library "/usr/lib64/kde4/kcm_kontact.so" does not offer a qt_plugin_instance function
15:44.07Qantouriscthere we go :p
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15:48.49QantouriscWich part is support to offer this ?
15:48.55Qantourisccan't seem to find it
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16:56.06Vtec234Hello, is there some other way to change the screen orientation than through Display Settings in System Settings? I set my orientation to 90deg to try something out for a second with the intetion of reverting it, but now i can only set 90 clock or anti-clockwise, while setting normal or upside down goes back to one of the 90deg orientations after clicking apply, and my neck hurts :/ I'm on Plasma 5.4.3 (newest package on the Arch repo),
16:56.06Vtec234but this happened before i upgraded today, ie in the previous Plasma (i think it was 5.4.2)
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16:59.38MichaelPplasma 5.4.3... using Qtcurve. with qtcurbe breeze...have transparency set... is there away to make folder area of dolphin transparent ?
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17:08.45rdieter_workMichaelP: not that I'm aware of, no
17:08.58rdieter_workplasma folderviews are though
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17:19.47BigRedNoseCherrywhat's the commandline of pushing a button or tab in some window?
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17:21.01MichaelPrdieter_work: alright thanks.... never liked that plasma folder view on the desktop
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17:21.55MichaelPHow you make konsole transparent like some distro's do?
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17:25.31rdieter_workMichaelP: do they?  I'm not aware of any way to do that (not with any recent version of konsole)
17:25.43BluesKajMichaelP, usually with a desktop theme
17:25.51rdieter_workMichaelP: ah found it
17:26.07Vtec234Or, in other words, where is the display configuration set in Display and Monitor in System Setting stored?
17:26.18rdieter_workMichaelP: settings -> edit current profile (or create a new/custom one) -> appearance -> edit (color scheme)
17:26.33rdieter_workMichaelP: there's a slider for background transparency
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17:27.43MichaelPI got that part already lol
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17:29.35rdieter_workVtec234: there's also a 'xrandr' command line tool
17:30.29rdieter_workVtec234: otherwise, ~/.local/share/kscreen
17:32.27MichaelPrdieter_work: background for konsole kde needs to make dolphin background same way
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17:34.47Vtec234rdieter_work: finally! thanks so much, used xrandr --rotate, and i should probably file a bug in systemsettings
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17:40.22MichaelPrdieter_work: got the transparency in dolphin... right click border on top... more actions.. special window setting... appearence and fixs... active opacity
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17:48.17divyamhello everyone i was trying to clone yakuake using git clone git://anongit.kde.org/yakuake.gitmaster but i am getting the error : fatal: unable to connect to anongit.kde.org: anongit.kde.org[0: 31.216.41.69]: errno=Connection timed out i tried
17:48.51divyami even tried git clone git://anongit.kde.org/yakuake but still got the same result
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17:49.29genstormdivyam: hmm no problem here
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17:50.15divyamhmm my net is completely ok i am not having any problem for other repositories i dont know why it is happening here
17:53.03divyami want to contribute to yakuake how should i proceed?
17:53.13divyami am a beginner actually
17:54.55Sho_divyam: hmm let me check
17:55.12Sho_divyam: 'git clone git://anongit.kde.org/yakuake' works for me
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17:55.36Sho_divyam: try https:// instead of git://, maybe your firewall or so blocks git
17:55.52Sho_divyam: I'm the author of Yakuake if you need other help
17:56.36divyamyes actually i went across its bugs and was interested to contribute how should i go towards it its my first time contributing for open source
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18:08.41t-askHi, I want to start another X session for another user without using KF5 plasma desktop. I suddenly can't since I installed KDE. It says another session is already running. How can I solve this?
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18:22.23zwergHello there!
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18:23.36zwergI recently needed to switch away from KDE due to the QScreen bugs. My Settings from System Settings regarding themes and fonts are not applied in those (tried Gnome, Fluxbox, etc.)
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18:24.02zwergHow to make KDE programs look the same way as in Plasma?
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18:35.16leszekzwerg: I think you need qtconfig for this as gnome, fluxbox and others don't load the theme from kde
18:36.08zwergleszek: qtconfig seems to be only available for qt4 in Debian and this does not give me the same sort of control as System Settings
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18:37.03zwergI guess I have to make Qt apps believe I'm still using KDE
18:37.05genstormI guess that's the bug when XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP != KDE?
18:37.43leszekzwerg: I know. But its the only tool I know of. There is also a new tool called qt5 configuration tool: http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/Qt5+Configuration+Tool?content=168066
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18:41.29SonikkuAmericaHeh, the latest updates to Plasma 5 in Arch broke a lot of the textures and icons
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18:48.56t-askSonikkuAmerica: did they?
18:49.23t-askSonikkuAmerica: any example?
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18:55.28SonikkuAmericat-ask: Screenshot in 3, 2, 1...
18:56.04SonikkuAmericaSHOOT!
18:56.18SonikkuAmericahold on
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18:56.47SonikkuAmericahttp://i.imgur.com/l5kaMn9.png bottom left > t-ask
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18:57.31leszekSonikkuAmerica: restarting the session does not help ? (logout and login again)
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19:00.25SonikkuAmericaI could try that
19:01.17t-askSonikkuAmerica: well, for me the newest arch updates are working. I don't have this here. maybe it's graphics card related
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19:03.13KorhonenIs there a way to disable all icons?
19:03.42rdieter_workSonikkuAmerica: may be worth explicitly clearing any existing plasma pixmap/icon caches, delete anything matching ~/.cache/plasma* ~/.cache/*.kcache  (and restart your session)
19:04.36rdieter_work5.4.3 did include some not-so-insignificant changes in breeze theming
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19:07.39shumskiit 5.16.0 unfortunatelly, not 5.4.3 (i.e. only by upgrading KF5 you get it). same as default font was changed
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19:12.01rdieter_workshumski: sorry, right, breeze-5.16.0 in particular
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19:12.47rdieter_workerr, now I'm confusing myself, plasma-5.16.0
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19:13.24SonikkuAmericaFixed it, fairly unconventionally though.
19:14.06SonikkuAmericaI smashed ~/.config/plasmarc and ~/.config/plasmashellrc, as well as my entire KDE configuration (which wasn't too far deviant from the default).
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19:15.24leszekSonikkuAmerica: for future reference. This is not needed. Normally restarting or tweaking the compositor should help aswell. As it is only a rendering error
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19:16.21SonikkuAmericaleszek: I didn't think it would be... but I also needed to clear a previous LXQt install too.
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19:17.44SonikkuAmericaOK... the Breeze Dark theme needs a bit of tweaking then.
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19:18.13SonikkuAmericaThe regular Breeze theme has no issues, however.
19:20.12SonikkuAmericaThanks for your help....
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22:27.50nealmcbI'm trying to understand how to use kwin rules to help set up browser windows.  I'm running kde 4.13.3.  For the "apply initially" approach, when does it try to match the window properties, e.g. the window title.  Only upon initial creation of the window?  Or any time the title changes?
22:29.38nealmcbin other words, how might I set up a shortcut to the browser window that has my google calendar?
22:31.45nealmcb...in a way that the shortcut is set up automatically when I open the calendar tab in a browser window (since who-knows-which tab will be determining the tab when the browser window is originally restored after a reboot)
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23:14.49nealmcbAnd is there a way to set shortcuts to windows via ecmascript?
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