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00:24.20RobinHood2015I recently experienced a program crash, and I downloaded and installed the necessary debug symbols related to the faulty app; however, doing so required a system restart, and now I need to launch DrKonqi manually to open the bug report I saved to my HDD. How can I do this?
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00:25.29jerichowasahoax[KDE4] If I made a wallet using encryption from Kleopatra, and then uninstalled Kleopatra, would I still be able to access that wallet?
00:26.45jerichowasahoaxThe uninstall is probably going to be temporary, but it would still be an uninstall.
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00:33.38mystica555jerichowasahoax: reading the exact description of what kleopatra is, you should be fine, if you know how to use gpg tools by hand
00:36.00jerichowasahoaxmystica555: Not innately, but I could probably get enough of an overview via Google that I'd be able to wing it from there
00:40.55mystica555very likely
00:41.46mystica555wait, not gpg proper, but 'gpgsm'
00:41.55mystica555gpg does pgp; gpgsm does x509 style stuff
00:42.09mystica555https://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manuals/gnupg/GPGSM-Configuration.html
00:42.10mystica555ish
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01:14.21James0rgot kdeconnect installed on arch on plasma 5 but not seeing the module in the config
01:14.38James0rseems like that's all i did to get it to show up before
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02:28.51Griz64Is this the channel to ask questions, concerning KDE4 also? or is it just reserved for 5 and -dev work??
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04:02.15SJrI have a new 4K monitor and also some old ones, it seems like I can't smoothly transition apps between them. For some reason now everything has been made bigger on all monitors. So 4K looks fine, but non-4K looks like 1024x768
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07:10.07eplightningSJr: because your 4K monitor has higher DPI, I don't think it's possible to do per-output DPI actually work decently in X11.  You can however make anything smaller so it looks fine on your smaller monitors (it's going to be a huge pita on your 4K monitor probably tho): https://community.kde.org/KDE/High-dpi_issues#User_settable.2C_overall_DPI
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08:25.52kalimannhey, having problem with my plasma, so i deleted my old config built on the default and trying to rebuild it from scratch. how do i make it so the widgets dont automatically align in the left side? :S
08:27.13kalimannhm, i insert task manager, now its no problem
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08:39.33kalimannanybody knows a widget that features a simple button that you press, then it minimizes all windows and shows desktop?
08:40.06BlaXpiritkalimann, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm what about "show desktop"?
08:40.55kalimanntrying to find it in the shell add-on installer
08:42.06BlaXpiritmaybe just add it
08:42.21kalimanni dont have it? :S
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09:03.57qqqqqqqqq9Do i need kde-drkonqi for kdepim-15.08 ?
09:04.15qqqqqqqqq9kde4-drkonqi
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09:07.10w00t2how to set default spell checking language in kmail?
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09:11.31qqqqqqqqq9w00t2: There a dictionary setting where you configure your identity under advanced, perhaps that's the setting you seek
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09:18.12qqqqqqqqq9w00t2: But for me using this setting leads to composer crashes
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09:30.35Psy-Qwhere i can i find the source files for the breeze kwin theme?
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09:31.36Tujuhow do i restart desktop dbus?
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09:34.06mgraesslinPsy-Q: https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=breeze.git&a=tree&h=9b83922925b72ae08ae883d42a3cc1ac97917eed&hb=a1aa5993a0228c56e1dac2dad9fd60aa72781f38&f=kdecoration
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09:34.58Psy-Qmgraesslin: oh, thank you very much!
09:35.21mgraesslinTuju: why? But properly you need to log out for it
09:35.52Tujubecause i think it crashed, programs don't start anymore and there are weird dbus errors
09:36.03Tuju"D-Bus communication error 'org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply':
09:38.12mgraesslinTuju: then you will need to log out, which might no longer be possible if dbus crashed
09:39.41Tujuack
09:39.54Tujuthere are still some processses running that might be my desktop dbus.
09:45.50Psy-Qhrm, can't seem to find the assets for the window decoration buttons, close, maximize etc. in Breeze. i want to port it to xfwm so the original files would be better than using screenshots
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09:50.52mgraesslinPsy-Q: the decoration is implemented in C++ - there are no assests
09:51.55mgraesslinPsy-Q: maybe there are somewhere old mockups available - you might need to ask the visual design group on forum.kde.org
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10:14.21JyZyXELhmm, if firefox had an extension that could set the WM_CLASS of each firefox window individually, then you could automatically assign those classes to different activities
10:14.34JyZyXELthat would be pretty neat
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10:18.09w00t2qqqqqqqqq9: thanks, I will check
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10:23.20Psy-Qmgraesslin: oooh, okay. i didn't know it's drawn programmatically :(  will ask! thanks
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10:42.45zaccanastaThere's a bug with kde file dialogs from a pure qt5 app. I'm using kde frameworks 5.13.0, Qt 5.4.2
10:43.03zaccanastaI have to unset XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP and other env variables to get qt5 apps work
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11:28.02BluesKaj'Morning folks
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12:02.45rindolfBluesKaj: top of the morning.
12:02.50rindolfBluesKaj: what's new?
12:03.40Lildirt'ello. I'm trying to get some OpenGL info from KInfoCenter and it seems that each time I do this, I get random screen noise across all monitors and I get forcibly logged out. I'm guessing Xorg crashes here, but yeah. Running KDE 4.13.2 on Linux Mint.
12:04.32rindolfLildirt: hi, no idea off hand.
12:04.35LildirtAlso, I'm using the free Radeon Xorg drivers for my Radeon HD 7950.
12:04.40rindolfLildirt: ah.
12:04.44LildirtYeah. It's really weird, I can't find anything on it.
12:05.07BluesKajHi rindolf, not much new here, except plasma 5.4, and what's new there?
12:05.08rindolfLildirt: the radeon drivers work very well here.
12:05.30LildirtThe free drivers work like a champ, but it seems KInfoCenter just brings them to their knees here, haha.
12:05.39rindolfBluesKaj: well, I solved a Project Euler problem yesterday. I had an off-by-one error.
12:05.56LildirtI've literally had no other problems with the free drivers. Just this, which I'm not inclined to believe is related to the drivers.
12:06.49rindolfLildirt: well , isn't there KDE-4.14.x by now? (And Plasma 5)?
12:06.55toskywell, it still could be a problem with drivers
12:07.15toskythere is no Workspace 4.14 nor 4.13; the last version of kdelibs4-based Plasma is 4.11.something
12:07.17LildirtWell, doesn't seem the Mint repo has been updated with them. I'm having issues with Dolphin too but I can't seem to update out of them.
12:07.28LildirtWell, Ubuntu repos I'm assuming, but yeah.
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12:08.39rindolftosky: I see - thanks for  the correction.
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12:35.59calincruceruHello. What is the support for HiDPI displays in Plasma 5?
12:36.18w00t2qqqqqqqq19: I have one more question
12:36.50w00t2there is big delay between click on mail on the list, and time when the mail will finally open
12:37.02w00t2"retreiving folder contents"
12:37.12w00t2it tooks so much time
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12:39.14LildirtThis sounds a bit silly, but how might I be able to get KDE to use something beyond OpenGL 3.1? By default, I was only able to choose between 2.0 and 3.1. Again, I'm on the open-source Radeon drivers with a Radeon HD 7950. Am I blindly missing something with this process?
12:40.05toskyLildirt: so, talking about KWin effects on 4.11?
12:40.38toskyLildirt: when you choice between XRender and OpenGL, and then OpenGL level
12:40.49LildirtYes, KWin.
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12:41.19tosky"Compositing type", right?
12:41.25LildirtI'm seeing Xrender, OpenGL 1.2/2.0/3.1 (might've missed that before).
12:41.25LildirtYes.
12:42.01toskyok, so what would you want to use?
12:42.20toskyI originally understood you could only choose OpenGL 3.1 and you had no other choicse
12:42.22toskychoices*
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12:43.05LildirtI didn't realize I had more options at the time. I must've looked at a different machine. But, I want to try using 3.2 or something beyond 3.1 because of the countless issues I'm having with even using 3.1.
12:43.28tosky3.2 is not too different from 3.1, it's some extensions more
12:43.56LildirtPerhaps I misunderstand how the entire thing works (I don't know much about it), but I'm having countless issues with running OpenGL 3.1 for a couple of applications.
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12:44.20toskythe setting there is only for the desktop effects, nothing more
12:44.24LildirtI'm figuring it's only for KWin, but I'm poking around with it until I can get somewhere .. because I have no idea what to do ._.
12:44.37toskyso switch applications, present desktop, etc
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12:50.19mgraesslinLildirt: OpenGL works not like you think :-) The version number hardly matters
12:51.19LildirtNope! I'm clueless on it. I literally just read a StackOverflow question that said something along the same lines then you popped up. :P
12:51.50LildirtI just know "I need OpenGL 3.2 for this application to work. I have no idea what to do. I'm going to go fry my brain on my range now."
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14:18.47Psy-Qfinished porting Breeze to XFCE :)  https://github.com/psy-q/xfwm-theme-breeze
14:20.40toskyPsy-Q: oh, do you need something more than a gtk theme?
14:20.56Psy-Qtosky: yes, an xfwm theme for the window manager decorations
14:21.04toskyPsy-Q: ah, right, sorry
14:21.29Psy-Qthe gtk theme covers decorations for gtk3 apps only, i think. gtk2 apps get the deco from the WM. at least gedit (gtk3) looked fine for me already before the theme, pidgin didn't
14:21.55Markus_KMiCool
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14:25.20Markus_KMiUsing Xfwm4 instead of KWin is a workaround for https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69101
14:25.45Markus_KMiA Breeze theme is certainly appreciated
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14:27.02mgraesslinMarkus_KMi: using non-GL compositing sounds like a better workaround to me
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14:27.36Markus_KMimgraesslin: doesn't work, though. No idea why.
14:27.47Markus_KMiScreen stays black
14:27.53mgraesslinMarkus_KMi: then without any compositing
14:28.14Markus_KMiTried that as well. Doesn't work.
14:28.53Psy-QMarkus_KMi: oh, didn't know about that bug :)
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14:29.10mgraesslinthat's strange - there shouldn't be a difference to xfwm in that operation mode
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14:31.04Markus_KMiNo idea. I rather have Intel getting their act together and fix their drivers.
14:31.16rdieterMarkus_KMi: i the upstream bug, it certainly is possible to enable dri3
14:31.19rdieterin the...
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14:31.52rdieter(i don't know details offhand though, shouldn't be too hard to find though)
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14:32.46PinholeIs there a way to have konsole full screen, but have another inactive window above it?
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14:39.01FuchsPinhole: should be, you can tell kwin to put a window on top of others, so the more tricky thing might be konsole, but worst case you can create a rule which makes the window maximized and deco-less (or even fullscreen)
14:39.23FuchsPinhole: see the window behaviour kcm for window rules, and if you want to only one specific konsole window match that, go via title
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14:44.51PinholeFuchs, I've told the other window to be on top, but konsole seems to be more on top when in focus.
14:45.26Fuchshow did you tell it to be on top? That shouldn't happen, unless full screen windows override that, thus the idea with maximized without deco, which is almost full screen (full screen if there is no panel)
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14:47.17PinholeI should also note I'm using xfce.  In xfce, you can set an application "always on top" in the title bar.
14:48.34PinholeIf I exit full screen, things work as expected.
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14:51.40leszekPinhole: the problem is that konsole uses kwins "fullscreen" option which prioritizes the fullscreen window always. So "always on top" has a lower priority than fullscreen
14:51.48leszekwhich makes sense for the most parts
14:52.54Pinholeok, I'll just run maximized.  Just thought there was an easy way that I was missing to drop the title bar.  thanks.
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14:55.16leszekPinhole: you can make the titlebar dissappear thats another option
14:55.29Pinholehow?
14:55.57leszekright click on the titlebar then there should be underneath fullscreen a "no decoration" checkbox
14:56.13leszekor something like that in the menu (I have a localized one here and am freely translating it)
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14:59.29Pinholeah, I'm not using kde.  I don't think we have that option in xfce.
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15:04.42leszekoh. This is a #kde channel after all :P
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15:17.29redeyedmanleszek: hi, is there kde apps porting schedule plan?
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15:22.03bowlofeggshello again! i was asking in here yesterday about kscreen and docking stations
15:22.45bowlofeggsi had the problem where plugging my laptop into my docking station and then turning it on from suspend does not use the external monitors
15:23.32bowlofeggsi was talking with rdieter and hateball
15:24.03bowlofeggsanways, it was suggested that i see if xrandr knew about the monitors while this was happening, and i tried that today and the two external monitors were indeed listed in xrandr
15:24.12bowlofeggsdoes this mean that it's a bug in kscreen?
15:25.58rdieterbowlofeggs: looks like it, though that is odd... kscreen (and libkscreen) are essentially kde wrappers for xrandr function calls
15:26.56rdieterit may be possible it's missing signals about hotplug events (ie, when new screens come and go)
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15:46.56bowlofeggsrdieter: is there any further debugging i could do, or do i have enough info to get a bug report ready?
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15:48.40rdieterbowlofeggs: enough info, I think
15:49.33bowlofeggscool, will do. thanks for the assistance!
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17:11.57LebedevRIhello. kf5 here. can i disable thumbnails for windows that are shown when hovering a window in task manager?
17:12.37LebedevRIin kde4 that was an option, but i can not find it in kf5...
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17:13.08veqzwhich task manager are you using? Icons-only or the regular one?
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17:14.31LebedevRIlooks like default one, NOT "Icons-only"
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17:15.48veqzI just had to make sure, but it's the same for both. In the settings dialog, just uncheck 'Show tooltips'
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17:17.18LebedevRIah, i have just found that myself. that is certainly better, thanks. though i would probably prefer only disabling thumbnail, not the whole tooltip
17:18.30veqzah, yeah I know. There should probably be a few more optional settings there
17:18.45veqzI don't think anyone is working on it at the moment though
17:22.12LebedevRIyeah, i know how that works :) in every project there is some small thing that is not worked on, but someone needs it
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17:35.55JyZyXELthat way all the custom looking folders would always be neatly grouped
17:38.02JyZyXELwhere can i make this feature request?
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18:04.09b4rtiHi there. Is it possible to setup a persistent refreshrate (144Hz on Asus Swift Monitor) on plasma 5.4.1? Allready configured everything in xorg, but plasma keeps resetting it to 60Hz after reboot.
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18:09.08rdieterb4rti: I'd guess plasma supports whatever xrandr reports
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18:09.25rdieterdoes 'xrandr' report that refresh rate as being available ?
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18:10.19b4rtirdieter: yes they are available it works if i set it up after each reboot.
18:10.37b4rtijust wanted to have it persistent
18:10.52RalfJSo, KDE Plasma 5 started the first time here, and it worked :) now I wonder, where do the new KDE apps store their settings? is it all in ~/.config? does that mean I can delete ~/.kde ?
18:10.53b4rtibut i cound just use a startup script with xrand
18:11.18b4rtiwas just wundering if there is a kde solution to it
18:11.26leszekRalfJ: don't delete .kde
18:11.27rdieterb4rti: how do you 'set it up'?  using systemsetings5->display&monitor->... ?
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18:11.50b4rtiyeah over the systemsetting and in the xorg
18:12.04rdieterRalfJ: kf5/plasma5 apps don't use ~/.kde anymore true, but kde4 apps still do
18:12.09leszekRalfJ: New KDE Frameworks 5 based apps and Plasma 5 are using ~/.config. Though not all applications are ported to kf5 yet
18:12.38RalfJI see. thanks :)
18:13.00rdieterb4rti: ok, strange then, changes made to systemsettings5 should persist to subsequent logins
18:13.31b4rtiit jumps back to auto and falls back to 60Hz
18:13.55leszekb4rti: so the kscreen configure app does not show your custom 144 Hz ?
18:14.08rdieterI'm a little surprised by that too, 'auto' *usually* means pick the best available
18:14.23b4rtii can select it but after reboor it goes back to auto
18:14.41leszekb4rti: then it seems to be saved wrongly somehow.
18:15.02bowlofeggsrdieter: i filed that kscreen bug that you and i discussed: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352523 thanks for the help again!
18:15.21b4rtiin which config file shuld it be saved?
18:15.33leszekb4rti: can you check if any config file changes when you hit apply after setting to 144Hz in ~/.config . You can use find -mmin 1 ~/.config for that to see what files changed a minute ago
18:15.50b4rtiyeah one sec
18:15.53leszekb4rti: I am not sure how the config file is called. kscreenrc maybe
18:16.24leszekI am too lazy to get up and start my plasma 5 laptop :P
18:16.27rdieterb4rti: under ~/.local/share/kscreen/
18:17.05b4rti"refresh": 144.00273132324219
18:17.40b4rtiyeah after changing it in the system settings it wrote it into the config file
18:21.11b4rtinp lesiu :) its not a big thing. gonna check the bug reports write a new one if needed and wait for future release, thx for the help guys
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19:32.06xliivi cant neither create or reset account on https://identity.kde.org/index.php?r=site/index  because i have to put username and email, shouldn't be email enough? can i recover or i need to create another email only for this site?
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19:37.52rdieterxliiv: probably worth filing a ticket http://sysadmin.kde.org/tickets/ (or ask in #kde-sysadmin)
19:38.33rdieterthough, hrm, ironically, a ticket requires an identity login, so nvm that option
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19:39.57xliivrdieter: thanks
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