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03:51.41*** topic/#kde is KDE Plasma 5.3 and KDE Applications 15.04 are out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4
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05:26.06zoldyckI wonder why NetworkManager is a hard dependency of Plasma now
05:26.14zoldyckIn Gentoo package kde-plasma/plasma-workspace depends on kde-frameworks/networkmanager-qt and the latter depends on net-misc/networkmanager
05:27.02bshahzoldyck: yes but thats just compile time dep
05:27.11bshahit doesn't mean you have to use network manager
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05:28.07zoldyckyeah, I know
05:28.10zoldyckI just like leaving unneccessary stuff out
05:28.36thiagopeople these days like connecting to wifi networks
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05:29.18zoldyckIt's useful on my laptop but on the desktop systemd-networkd is enough
05:29.41jerome_i read kde archlinux wiki and also part of (so long) wikipedia for KDE, but it is again (and more and more) confuse for me.
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05:30.12jerome_Simply: what to install for kde5 ? plamsa is it requeiered (i think yes, but it is to much confuse) ?
05:30.41zoldycknormally, full Plasma and the Apps you need
05:30.54zoldyckFrameworks will be pulled by package manager
05:30.55jerome_also, is KDE5 could be a full implemented desktop (dropbox, wifi, keys manager, etc...) and stable ?
05:31.40jerome_zoldyck, i see there is plasma 4 and plasma 5 ... right ?
05:31.44o11cjerome_: it's fully implemented but still shaking out the bugs
05:31.58zoldyckPlasma 5 of course
05:32.09zoldyckPlasma is still a bit buggy but comfortable I'd say
05:32.25o11cone particularly irritating regression is that you don't seem to be able to set custom time formats anymore
05:32.32zoldyckand KDE Bugzilla is so big :)
05:32.37zoldyckI get lost all the time!
05:32.39o11cI want my date in ISO 8601, please!
05:32.40jerome_also, i see kde4 is no more maintained
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05:32.58o11ckde4 is pretty stable by now though
05:33.04jerome_i installed kde4 on archlinux because of stability (i thank wrong).
05:33.19jerome_but now, i have some problems with kde4
05:33.25o11cI mean, I'm still pissed about the kde3 features that it's missing, but it's stable at least
05:33.43o11chopefully kde5 will be better at replacing kde4 features
05:33.52zoldycknot yet
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05:34.01zoldyckthere are less features :)
05:34.08jerome_like with kwallet for use gpg keys,, and more and more for use themes and thunderbird under kde4, firefox and some unreadable pages (char colors, background...)
05:34.50zoldyckat least the tray works with some compatibility layer
05:34.54jerome_so finally, can use KDE4, but only with old packages for others stuff (like QT5 for exemple) ?
05:35.07jerome_so on archlinux, the bes way is to not use KDE... right ?
05:35.08zoldyckand I heard it will break again after switching to Wayland
05:35.24o11cdon't expect mass migration to wayland yet
05:35.26jerome_what is wayland ?
05:35.43o11cit's a cleaner replacement for X11, but it's nowhere near ready
05:35.44zoldyckreplacement for X.Org basically
05:35.59jerome_ok.
05:36.01o11cI mean, it's amazing how much *is* usable, and there's always the bridge, but ...
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05:37.12jerome_at this time for me, KDE4 becomes unusable and when i look at packages in archlinux, all named pacakges make me cinfuse more (plasma name 4 or 5 ? how to know ?)
05:37.25jerome_so kf5 is kde 5 ... right ?
05:37.27zoldyckI've been running wayland for almost 2 years on my phone :) (Jolla)
05:38.06o11cdesktops are all that matters
05:39.20jerome_before, i used only kde... but now, it become to much confuse and like a castle of pipes and finaly something agnostic but not really stable, and one day no more maintained with nothing more stable in change.
05:39.25zoldyckjerome_: KDE Frameworks 5 are libraries, replacement for KDE Platform 4
05:40.43jerome_zoldyck, thank you for clarify things for me. I think i will unstall all of this clunky stuff and install xfce4 or unlightenment or maybe gnome.
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05:58.47s4ndm4nIs there a way to hide/show titlebars using keyboards shortcuts?
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06:00.54Two_Dogsyes s4ndm4n , its kde after all
06:02.13s4ndm4nTwo_Dogs: How? I see a way to do it using oxygen window decorations but I don't know how I can assign shortcut to it
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06:05.53Two_Dogss4ndm4n: i have not tried it myself, i am just thinking that it was not missed as an option, in keyboard-shortcuts from system-settings?
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06:07.23s4ndm4nTwo_Dogs: I can't find it.
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06:16.48Two_Dogss4ndm4n: submit a wish-list bug.report
06:21.19s4ndm4nOkay
06:21.21s4ndm4n:D
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08:00.57milovanhi, anyone maybe knows is there a plasma mobile build for multirom?
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12:47.37BluesKajHiyas all
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12:55.24quupHi, was switching back and forth between sessions, now the alt+f2 thing doesn't work(krunner?) it pops up but doesn't show any results nor launch any commands, how do I restart it? I have already done kwin --replace
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12:58.06quuphttp://fpaste.org/260982/14408530/ found that in a terminal, don't know where it came from, but does seem like my configuration is broken somehow
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12:59.37quupI'll just reboot, couldn't find anything else in logs
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13:03.15quup(unexpectedly works now after reboot)
13:03.20quup*expectedly
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13:19.50zoldyckhow can I change the Alt-Tab effect?
13:19.58zoldyckthere were several in KDE 4
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13:22.35icwiener_zoldyck: System Settings -> Windows Management -> Application Switcher (roughly translated back to English)
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13:23.28zoldyckthnx
13:23.35zoldyckI was missing you, Cover Switch!
13:23.46NoivernOfDoomHaven't seen Mogger in a while :(
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13:24.29icwiener_zoldyck: Does it change for you? For me it's always the same no matter what I select...
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13:25.13zoldyckiceman_: yes it does
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13:36.10lordievaderGood afternoon.
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13:47.02obZenI love Plasma 5.4 Great job everyone!
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13:47.42roasted_obZen: dude. me too.
13:47.47roasted_I am downright floored at how nice it is.
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13:47.52obZenI literally just got it
13:47.58roasted_obZen: what distro you using it on?
13:48.07obZenArch
13:48.13obZenI went from 4.14 to 5.3
13:48.23NoivernOfDoom5.3 was so buggy
13:48.27NoivernOfDoomgj guys on 5.4
13:48.27obZenNow I'm on 5.4, and am impressed by the speed
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13:48.41obZenIt was buggy, but I remember the 4.0 fiasco, so no hard feelings ;o
13:48.51NoivernOfDoomnow where is Mogger...
13:48.59obZenOnce I get better with my C++,  I wanna contribute
13:49.49roasted_obZen: I'm on Manjaro with it. 5.4 was in the testing repo so I got curious.
13:50.02NoivernOfDoomfinally got moved to extra last night
13:50.03NoivernOfDoomi think
13:50.06NoivernOfDoomnot sure
13:50.07obZenYeah
13:50.07roasted_no kidding?
13:50.17NoivernOfDoomI was using it on testing
13:50.22obZenOn Arch it's still plasma-desktop 5.4.0-1, so I guess no issues
13:50.25NoivernOfDoomdidn't know when it got moved
13:50.41roasted_man I only did this install on this particular laptop yesterday after work
13:51.01roasted_maybe I'll let testing enabled on this laptop to provide a bug reporting machine <3
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13:51.11NoivernOfDoomjust use a VM
13:51.14NoivernOfDoomgod
13:51.16NoivernOfDoomthat's what I do
13:51.28NoivernOfDoommy main machine actually only runs LXQt
13:51.29obZenVMs are problematic for me when I'm on linux-grsec
13:51.30roasted_the only thing I don't understand with 5.4 (not complaining, just a confusing observation) is when I search for documents, they show up 3-4 times for the same file.
13:51.37NoivernOfDoomthough I might switch to KDE now...
13:51.38obZenBut I've got Linux and Linux-ck too
13:51.54roasted_NoivernOfDoom: this laptop is pretty low spec, yet it's the system I use 99% of the time. VMs don't go well with it.
13:52.05roasted_NoivernOfDoom: for that reason I leave a 20GB partition available to dual boot a testing distro
13:52.05NoivernOfDoommodel?
13:52.24roasted_it's one of the original toshiba ultrabooks. the labels are worn to no end.
13:52.41roasted_even opening too many tabs in firefox sends my fan into a loud whirling that'll wake the baby
13:52.44obZenThere's something loveable about laptops like that
13:52.46obZenidk why
13:52.47NoivernOfDoomI have a Lenovo G500 and it runs VMs almost as fast as it runs Windows
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13:52.57NoivernOfDoom*1024GB RAM VMs
13:53.35roasted_NoivernOfDoom: here's the thing, though. If I'm using a distro specifically to test things out, I'll want to use it as much as possible as a primary distro on a specific machine. That's just what works for me to use it as much as possible.
13:53.36roasted_just kind of a personal preference thing I guess. :P
13:53.58obZenI got Windows 10 in a VM for school, if I need Visual Studio (ew)
13:54.01roasted_obZen: are you seeing what I mentioned in regard to multiple files in the dashboard?
13:54.09obZenThe dashboard?
13:54.14obZenWhat is that again?
13:54.15roasted_obZen: the new KDE dashboard in 5.4
13:54.22roasted_obZen: it's an alternative launcher.
13:54.34roasted_if you right click the K menu, alternatives, dashboard. Then open dashboard and search for a file.
13:54.50roasted_I was seeing the one file I was looking for in the dashboard but it came up 3-4 times, so I had 3-4 of the same icon that went to the same file.
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13:54.57roasted_I wasn't sure why that was.
13:54.59obZenYes, actually
13:55.06obZenI just looked; is there a bug report?
13:55.17roasted_obZen: I saw on ITWorld they were talking about how beautiful plasma 5.4 is, and in one of their screenshots it had a document listed 3x.
13:55.34roasted_obZen: I don't know. I was going to report one, but I was trying to ask around/google around first to see if anybody else was seeing it.
13:56.02roasted_obZen: you + that ITWorld article I read earlier this morning was the first mentions I heard of others seeing it. (and in the ITWorld article it wasn't talked about, I just saw it in the screenshot)
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13:57.31obZenI also had that unusual shortcuts bugs, but I used my "workaround"
13:57.51roasted_what kind of bug
13:58.45obZenAfter upgrading to Plasma 5,
13:59.12obZensome programs like kate, gwenview, dolphin, would have two sets of shortcuts enabled, and give am abiguity error
13:59.58roasted_hm, I'm not sure I saw that. The only odd thing I noticed is that I needed to wipe all shortcuts on the bar, then open appications, then check to pin them on the bar.
14:00.06roasted_since then I don't get any weird duplicates or anything
14:00.16obZenIn Kate for eg, I NEED to ctrl+c a lot, but I kept getting an abiguity error. In the shortcut settings, disabling the shortcut and enabling it again would trigger the shortcut to appear twice, then I had to change it.
14:00.29roasted_ah
14:00.44roasted_the only other thing I noticed is that I still cannot stream media over an SMB link to my file server.
14:00.51roasted_which has been a regression since like KDE 4.5
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15:12.35Captain_HaddockHi, I'm looking to add a context menu entry to Dolphin to open a folder in an app.
15:12.44Captain_HaddockIs this the same as adding a service menu in Konqueror?
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15:18.47Captain_HaddockIf I do add a new desktop file to the service menus directory, should I restart KDE to see if it has any effect?
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15:19.47Captain_HaddockClosing and reopening Dolphin doesn't appear to have any effect.
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15:54.32Egyptian[Home]hi .. with kde 5 whats the task manager called?
15:54.47Case_OfI have installed a breeze gtk theme and it is working well, but I haven't found to apply Breeze icons on Firefox, I don't doubt you don't know much about but I think on Firefox channel they don't know either :/
15:55.32thiagoEgyptian[Home]: plasma
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16:03.23Captain_HaddockAnyone able to help with a Dolphin service menu customisation?
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16:05.50Case_Of_i was talking about the toolbar icons
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16:07.22sithlord48woot plasma 5.4 made it to my distro :D can't wait to try out the scaling having a 4k screen is not so great right now.
16:07.51BluesKajCaptain_Haddock:  in dolphin settings services? if so  is there an option to download more services?
16:08.16Case_Of_sithlord48: archlinux ?
16:08.23sithlord48Case_Of_:  yes sir
16:08.26Case_Of_:D
16:08.58sithlord48i suspose i need to logout and back in for it to load all the new libs?
16:09.02sithlord48so ill brb
16:09.22Captain_HaddockBluesKaj: Oooh. I did not know about this. DOH!
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16:09.33Captain_HaddockLooking ...
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16:12.09Captain_HaddockBluesKaj: Downloaded an example and it looks like I needed to add it into a ServicesMenu subdirectory.
16:12.25Captain_HaddockCheers!
16:12.30Case_Of_sithlord48: how is it look like ?
16:12.50sithlord48im looking for the scaling option
16:12.58phobos_anomalyI dunno about anyone else, but I'm starting to like the look of kfw5
16:12.59BluesKajCaptain_Haddock: cool :-)
16:13.33sithlord48i have a slight problem that has distracted me . my kbd shortcuts to start programs is not working . i get error saying " no service configured"
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16:13.52sithlord48i really like the new icons !
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16:15.05sithlord48where is the scaling option ?
16:15.18phobos_anomalysame here. I'm also liking that it's much quicker and a lot less resource intensive than the 4.xx series. It's almost as though someone finally realized that not everyone is running a 16 core/cpu cluster.. :)
16:15.52Case_Of_sithlord48: yeah they look great
16:16.07sithlord48i have been using plasma5 for a few months now . it has been really nice so far.
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16:16.18Captain_Haddocksithlord48: Isn't 4K pointless on screens < 42" ?
16:16.31sithlord48Captain_Haddock:  i have a laptop with a 15" screen thats 4k..
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16:16.50sithlord48Captain_Haddock:  kinda but the fonts look so nice.
16:16.56Case_Of_4k on 15"? O_o
16:17.13Case_Of_how much ppp ?
16:17.15sithlord48it looks good when i forced the DPI to 196
16:17.19Case_Of_ppi*
16:17.26Captain_Haddocksithlord48: I see.
16:17.48sithlord48honestly it makes me want a screen thats at least 32" @ 4k
16:17.59Case_Of_I don't get the interest of these retina screens
16:18.14sithlord48its really hard to read the screen in terminal mode.
16:18.49sithlord48Case_Of_:  is sooo crisp you can't even see the pixels
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16:19.49sithlord48does anyone know where the scaling options are?
16:19.54Case_Of_yeah maybe
16:20.09Case_Of_I have a 23" display with 1080p resolution
16:20.18sithlord48yeah i have a few of them
16:20.18Case_Of_I don't see the pixels seriously
16:20.47sithlord48the test is very nice to read when its set correctly on this screen
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16:21.59sithlord48i have some problems with some apps. in amarok the currently playing widget is about .5 mm tall
16:22.18BluesKajsithlord48:  system settings> desktop effects> advanced
16:22.41sithlord48most of them were fixed by forcing the DPI . some others remain .. checkboxes are usually tiny on screen and of course anything with a forced px size can be way to small
16:22.45sithlord48thanks BluesKaj
16:22.50Case_Of_now there is screens with 220ppi I can't see the pixels on my "poor" resolution screen
16:23.42sithlord48BluesKaj:  i don't see an advanced there ?
16:24.00BluesKajthe advanced tab
16:24.21sithlord48i have no such thing
16:24.41BluesKajare you on plasma5
16:24.55sithlord48yes 5.4 i just installed and loged out and back in
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16:25.21sithlord48oh i think i found it .
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16:25.34sithlord48in display configuration scale dislay
16:25.35BluesKajok, then i dunno, still on plasma 4 here
16:26.00sithlord48and i need to restart so brb again .
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17:23.50ejayguys, plasmashell is eating 25% of my cpu. im on kubuntu 15.10 wily. up to date. clearing plasma cache is not helping. any ideas?
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17:31.59tzafrirIs there an IRC channel for asking about Plasma Mobile (the mobile phone project)?
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17:42.13ejayupdate - plasmashell is eating 25% of cpu when kactivitiesmanager is on. when killed plasma is working as intended.
17:42.28ejayany ideas why? i never used any activities.
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18:32.56sithlord48so im back .. and have scaling set to 1.8 but i can't seam to really see the differance.
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18:35.30sithlord48does the scaling affect only plasma or is it also susposed to affect programs also ?
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19:53.43qqzHi, I am trying out the newest version of KaOS
19:53.51qqzbut kmail does not  seem to work
19:54.00qqzI can register accounts
19:54.15qqzbut retrieving emails lasts infinetly long
19:54.34qqzit shows some progress bar moving left/right but actually nothing happens
19:54.47qqzall accounts remain at a download state of 0%
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19:55.32qqzthere are some other problems as well like plasma crashes and so but this one is most important
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19:56.41qqzcan anyone help?
19:56.50qqzam I right to get help for kde5 here?
19:57.17qqzis there no way to see what kmail is actually doing?
19:57.49qqzit lists all the directories on my imap servers
19:57.57qqzbut it can not retrieve a singleton mail
20:03.38qqzanyone here who can help?
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20:09.23valorieqqz: perhaps try in #kontact ?
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20:19.32qqzfor trying kde5 what distribution would you recommend?
20:20.02qqzKaOS does not even provide debuginfo for generating bug reports
20:21.56demmqqz: did you install debug packages for kdepimlibs and kdepim-runtime?
20:23.12qqzno, KaOS and archos do not provide debuginfo packages
20:23.28qqzand compiling from source is undoable for my Atom notebook
20:23.38qqznot enough computing resources here
20:23.40demmqqz: KaOS is not Arch :), it provides debug packages for those 2
20:23.55demmand for Qt5
20:23.55qqzhmm; how; where?
20:24.05qqzdid not find any so far
20:24.10demmkdepimlibs-debug
20:24.33demmkdepim-runtime-debug, qt5-base-debug for example
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20:29.55valorieqqz: my favorite is kubuntu
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20:30.09valorieI'm running Wily beta without problems
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23:24.25tiduxin Plasma 5, how do I remove a widget from the desktop
23:24.46tiduxI've got what looks like an empty widget box sitting on the middle of my desktop but it doesn't display handles so I can't remove it graphically
23:25.00tiduxis there a text representation of this somewhere in ~/.config or ~/.kde?
23:28.30tiduxnever mind, looks like it was a transient bug
23:28.37tiduxflipping between desktop and folder view cleared it
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