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05:26.06 | zoldyck | I wonder why NetworkManager is a hard dependency of Plasma now |
05:26.14 | zoldyck | In Gentoo package kde-plasma/plasma-workspace depends on kde-frameworks/networkmanager-qt and the latter depends on net-misc/networkmanager |
05:27.02 | bshah | zoldyck: yes but thats just compile time dep |
05:27.11 | bshah | it doesn't mean you have to use network manager |
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05:28.07 | zoldyck | yeah, I know |
05:28.10 | zoldyck | I just like leaving unneccessary stuff out |
05:28.36 | thiago | people these days like connecting to wifi networks |
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05:29.18 | zoldyck | It's useful on my laptop but on the desktop systemd-networkd is enough |
05:29.41 | jerome_ | i read kde archlinux wiki and also part of (so long) wikipedia for KDE, but it is again (and more and more) confuse for me. |
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05:30.12 | jerome_ | Simply: what to install for kde5 ? plamsa is it requeiered (i think yes, but it is to much confuse) ? |
05:30.41 | zoldyck | normally, full Plasma and the Apps you need |
05:30.54 | zoldyck | Frameworks will be pulled by package manager |
05:30.55 | jerome_ | also, is KDE5 could be a full implemented desktop (dropbox, wifi, keys manager, etc...) and stable ? |
05:31.40 | jerome_ | zoldyck, i see there is plasma 4 and plasma 5 ... right ? |
05:31.44 | o11c | jerome_: it's fully implemented but still shaking out the bugs |
05:31.58 | zoldyck | Plasma 5 of course |
05:32.09 | zoldyck | Plasma is still a bit buggy but comfortable I'd say |
05:32.25 | o11c | one particularly irritating regression is that you don't seem to be able to set custom time formats anymore |
05:32.32 | zoldyck | and KDE Bugzilla is so big :) |
05:32.37 | zoldyck | I get lost all the time! |
05:32.39 | o11c | I want my date in ISO 8601, please! |
05:32.40 | jerome_ | also, i see kde4 is no more maintained |
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05:32.58 | o11c | kde4 is pretty stable by now though |
05:33.04 | jerome_ | i installed kde4 on archlinux because of stability (i thank wrong). |
05:33.19 | jerome_ | but now, i have some problems with kde4 |
05:33.25 | o11c | I mean, I'm still pissed about the kde3 features that it's missing, but it's stable at least |
05:33.43 | o11c | hopefully kde5 will be better at replacing kde4 features |
05:33.52 | zoldyck | not yet |
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05:34.01 | zoldyck | there are less features :) |
05:34.08 | jerome_ | like with kwallet for use gpg keys,, and more and more for use themes and thunderbird under kde4, firefox and some unreadable pages (char colors, background...) |
05:34.50 | zoldyck | at least the tray works with some compatibility layer |
05:34.54 | jerome_ | so finally, can use KDE4, but only with old packages for others stuff (like QT5 for exemple) ? |
05:35.07 | jerome_ | so on archlinux, the bes way is to not use KDE... right ? |
05:35.08 | zoldyck | and I heard it will break again after switching to Wayland |
05:35.24 | o11c | don't expect mass migration to wayland yet |
05:35.26 | jerome_ | what is wayland ? |
05:35.43 | o11c | it's a cleaner replacement for X11, but it's nowhere near ready |
05:35.44 | zoldyck | replacement for X.Org basically |
05:35.59 | jerome_ | ok. |
05:36.01 | o11c | I mean, it's amazing how much *is* usable, and there's always the bridge, but ... |
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05:37.12 | jerome_ | at this time for me, KDE4 becomes unusable and when i look at packages in archlinux, all named pacakges make me cinfuse more (plasma name 4 or 5 ? how to know ?) |
05:37.25 | jerome_ | so kf5 is kde 5 ... right ? |
05:37.27 | zoldyck | I've been running wayland for almost 2 years on my phone :) (Jolla) |
05:38.06 | o11c | desktops are all that matters |
05:39.20 | jerome_ | before, i used only kde... but now, it become to much confuse and like a castle of pipes and finaly something agnostic but not really stable, and one day no more maintained with nothing more stable in change. |
05:39.25 | zoldyck | jerome_: KDE Frameworks 5 are libraries, replacement for KDE Platform 4 |
05:40.43 | jerome_ | zoldyck, thank you for clarify things for me. I think i will unstall all of this clunky stuff and install xfce4 or unlightenment or maybe gnome. |
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05:58.47 | s4ndm4n | Is there a way to hide/show titlebars using keyboards shortcuts? |
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06:00.54 | Two_Dogs | yes s4ndm4n , its kde after all |
06:02.13 | s4ndm4n | Two_Dogs: How? I see a way to do it using oxygen window decorations but I don't know how I can assign shortcut to it |
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06:05.53 | Two_Dogs | s4ndm4n: i have not tried it myself, i am just thinking that it was not missed as an option, in keyboard-shortcuts from system-settings? |
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06:07.23 | s4ndm4n | Two_Dogs: I can't find it. |
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06:16.48 | Two_Dogs | s4ndm4n: submit a wish-list bug.report |
06:21.19 | s4ndm4n | Okay |
06:21.21 | s4ndm4n | :D |
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12:47.37 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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12:55.24 | quup | Hi, was switching back and forth between sessions, now the alt+f2 thing doesn't work(krunner?) it pops up but doesn't show any results nor launch any commands, how do I restart it? I have already done kwin --replace |
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12:58.06 | quup | http://fpaste.org/260982/14408530/ found that in a terminal, don't know where it came from, but does seem like my configuration is broken somehow |
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12:59.37 | quup | I'll just reboot, couldn't find anything else in logs |
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13:03.15 | quup | (unexpectedly works now after reboot) |
13:03.20 | quup | *expectedly |
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13:19.50 | zoldyck | how can I change the Alt-Tab effect? |
13:19.58 | zoldyck | there were several in KDE 4 |
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13:22.35 | icwiener_ | zoldyck: System Settings -> Windows Management -> Application Switcher (roughly translated back to English) |
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13:23.28 | zoldyck | thnx |
13:23.35 | zoldyck | I was missing you, Cover Switch! |
13:23.46 | NoivernOfDoom | Haven't seen Mogger in a while :( |
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13:24.29 | icwiener_ | zoldyck: Does it change for you? For me it's always the same no matter what I select... |
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13:25.13 | zoldyck | iceman_: yes it does |
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13:36.10 | lordievader | Good afternoon. |
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13:47.02 | obZen | I love Plasma 5.4 Great job everyone! |
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13:47.42 | roasted_ | obZen: dude. me too. |
13:47.47 | roasted_ | I am downright floored at how nice it is. |
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13:47.52 | obZen | I literally just got it |
13:47.58 | roasted_ | obZen: what distro you using it on? |
13:48.07 | obZen | Arch |
13:48.13 | obZen | I went from 4.14 to 5.3 |
13:48.23 | NoivernOfDoom | 5.3 was so buggy |
13:48.27 | NoivernOfDoom | gj guys on 5.4 |
13:48.27 | obZen | Now I'm on 5.4, and am impressed by the speed |
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13:48.41 | obZen | It was buggy, but I remember the 4.0 fiasco, so no hard feelings ;o |
13:48.51 | NoivernOfDoom | now where is Mogger... |
13:48.59 | obZen | Once I get better with my C++, I wanna contribute |
13:49.49 | roasted_ | obZen: I'm on Manjaro with it. 5.4 was in the testing repo so I got curious. |
13:50.02 | NoivernOfDoom | finally got moved to extra last night |
13:50.03 | NoivernOfDoom | i think |
13:50.06 | NoivernOfDoom | not sure |
13:50.07 | obZen | Yeah |
13:50.07 | roasted_ | no kidding? |
13:50.17 | NoivernOfDoom | I was using it on testing |
13:50.22 | obZen | On Arch it's still plasma-desktop 5.4.0-1, so I guess no issues |
13:50.25 | NoivernOfDoom | didn't know when it got moved |
13:50.41 | roasted_ | man I only did this install on this particular laptop yesterday after work |
13:51.01 | roasted_ | maybe I'll let testing enabled on this laptop to provide a bug reporting machine <3 |
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13:51.11 | NoivernOfDoom | just use a VM |
13:51.14 | NoivernOfDoom | god |
13:51.16 | NoivernOfDoom | that's what I do |
13:51.28 | NoivernOfDoom | my main machine actually only runs LXQt |
13:51.29 | obZen | VMs are problematic for me when I'm on linux-grsec |
13:51.30 | roasted_ | the only thing I don't understand with 5.4 (not complaining, just a confusing observation) is when I search for documents, they show up 3-4 times for the same file. |
13:51.37 | NoivernOfDoom | though I might switch to KDE now... |
13:51.38 | obZen | But I've got Linux and Linux-ck too |
13:51.54 | roasted_ | NoivernOfDoom: this laptop is pretty low spec, yet it's the system I use 99% of the time. VMs don't go well with it. |
13:52.05 | roasted_ | NoivernOfDoom: for that reason I leave a 20GB partition available to dual boot a testing distro |
13:52.05 | NoivernOfDoom | model? |
13:52.24 | roasted_ | it's one of the original toshiba ultrabooks. the labels are worn to no end. |
13:52.41 | roasted_ | even opening too many tabs in firefox sends my fan into a loud whirling that'll wake the baby |
13:52.44 | obZen | There's something loveable about laptops like that |
13:52.46 | obZen | idk why |
13:52.47 | NoivernOfDoom | I have a Lenovo G500 and it runs VMs almost as fast as it runs Windows |
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13:52.57 | NoivernOfDoom | *1024GB RAM VMs |
13:53.35 | roasted_ | NoivernOfDoom: here's the thing, though. If I'm using a distro specifically to test things out, I'll want to use it as much as possible as a primary distro on a specific machine. That's just what works for me to use it as much as possible. |
13:53.36 | roasted_ | just kind of a personal preference thing I guess. :P |
13:53.58 | obZen | I got Windows 10 in a VM for school, if I need Visual Studio (ew) |
13:54.01 | roasted_ | obZen: are you seeing what I mentioned in regard to multiple files in the dashboard? |
13:54.09 | obZen | The dashboard? |
13:54.14 | obZen | What is that again? |
13:54.15 | roasted_ | obZen: the new KDE dashboard in 5.4 |
13:54.22 | roasted_ | obZen: it's an alternative launcher. |
13:54.34 | roasted_ | if you right click the K menu, alternatives, dashboard. Then open dashboard and search for a file. |
13:54.50 | roasted_ | I was seeing the one file I was looking for in the dashboard but it came up 3-4 times, so I had 3-4 of the same icon that went to the same file. |
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13:54.57 | roasted_ | I wasn't sure why that was. |
13:54.59 | obZen | Yes, actually |
13:55.06 | obZen | I just looked; is there a bug report? |
13:55.17 | roasted_ | obZen: I saw on ITWorld they were talking about how beautiful plasma 5.4 is, and in one of their screenshots it had a document listed 3x. |
13:55.34 | roasted_ | obZen: I don't know. I was going to report one, but I was trying to ask around/google around first to see if anybody else was seeing it. |
13:56.02 | roasted_ | obZen: you + that ITWorld article I read earlier this morning was the first mentions I heard of others seeing it. (and in the ITWorld article it wasn't talked about, I just saw it in the screenshot) |
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13:57.31 | obZen | I also had that unusual shortcuts bugs, but I used my "workaround" |
13:57.51 | roasted_ | what kind of bug |
13:58.45 | obZen | After upgrading to Plasma 5, |
13:59.12 | obZen | some programs like kate, gwenview, dolphin, would have two sets of shortcuts enabled, and give am abiguity error |
13:59.58 | roasted_ | hm, I'm not sure I saw that. The only odd thing I noticed is that I needed to wipe all shortcuts on the bar, then open appications, then check to pin them on the bar. |
14:00.06 | roasted_ | since then I don't get any weird duplicates or anything |
14:00.16 | obZen | In Kate for eg, I NEED to ctrl+c a lot, but I kept getting an abiguity error. In the shortcut settings, disabling the shortcut and enabling it again would trigger the shortcut to appear twice, then I had to change it. |
14:00.29 | roasted_ | ah |
14:00.44 | roasted_ | the only other thing I noticed is that I still cannot stream media over an SMB link to my file server. |
14:00.51 | roasted_ | which has been a regression since like KDE 4.5 |
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14:01.16 | roasted_ | fortunately VLC has an advanced option to put in your user/pass and it circumvents that, but still kind of a "really?" thing given I think KDE is the only DE with that broken functionality. |
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15:12.35 | Captain_Haddock | Hi, I'm looking to add a context menu entry to Dolphin to open a folder in an app. |
15:12.44 | Captain_Haddock | Is this the same as adding a service menu in Konqueror? |
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15:18.47 | Captain_Haddock | If I do add a new desktop file to the service menus directory, should I restart KDE to see if it has any effect? |
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15:52.43 | Case_Of | hi |
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15:54.32 | Egyptian[Home] | hi .. with kde 5 whats the task manager called? |
15:54.47 | Case_Of | I have installed a breeze gtk theme and it is working well, but I haven't found to apply Breeze icons on Firefox, I don't doubt you don't know much about but I think on Firefox channel they don't know either :/ |
15:55.32 | thiago | Egyptian[Home]: plasma |
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16:03.23 | Captain_Haddock | Anyone able to help with a Dolphin service menu customisation? |
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16:05.50 | Case_Of_ | i was talking about the toolbar icons |
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16:07.22 | sithlord48 | woot plasma 5.4 made it to my distro :D can't wait to try out the scaling having a 4k screen is not so great right now. |
16:07.51 | BluesKaj | Captain_Haddock: in dolphin settings services? if so is there an option to download more services? |
16:08.16 | Case_Of_ | sithlord48: archlinux ? |
16:08.23 | sithlord48 | Case_Of_: yes sir |
16:08.26 | Case_Of_ | :D |
16:08.58 | sithlord48 | i suspose i need to logout and back in for it to load all the new libs? |
16:09.02 | sithlord48 | so ill brb |
16:09.22 | Captain_Haddock | BluesKaj: Oooh. I did not know about this. DOH! |
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16:09.33 | Captain_Haddock | Looking ... |
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16:12.09 | Captain_Haddock | BluesKaj: Downloaded an example and it looks like I needed to add it into a ServicesMenu subdirectory. |
16:12.25 | Captain_Haddock | Cheers! |
16:12.30 | Case_Of_ | sithlord48: how is it look like ? |
16:12.50 | sithlord48 | im looking for the scaling option |
16:12.58 | phobos_anomaly | I dunno about anyone else, but I'm starting to like the look of kfw5 |
16:12.59 | BluesKaj | Captain_Haddock: cool :-) |
16:13.33 | sithlord48 | i have a slight problem that has distracted me . my kbd shortcuts to start programs is not working . i get error saying " no service configured" |
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16:13.52 | sithlord48 | i really like the new icons ! |
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16:15.05 | sithlord48 | where is the scaling option ? |
16:15.18 | phobos_anomaly | same here. I'm also liking that it's much quicker and a lot less resource intensive than the 4.xx series. It's almost as though someone finally realized that not everyone is running a 16 core/cpu cluster.. :) |
16:15.52 | Case_Of_ | sithlord48: yeah they look great |
16:16.07 | sithlord48 | i have been using plasma5 for a few months now . it has been really nice so far. |
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16:16.18 | Captain_Haddock | sithlord48: Isn't 4K pointless on screens < 42" ? |
16:16.31 | sithlord48 | Captain_Haddock: i have a laptop with a 15" screen thats 4k.. |
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16:16.50 | sithlord48 | Captain_Haddock: kinda but the fonts look so nice. |
16:16.56 | Case_Of_ | 4k on 15"? O_o |
16:17.13 | Case_Of_ | how much ppp ? |
16:17.15 | sithlord48 | it looks good when i forced the DPI to 196 |
16:17.19 | Case_Of_ | ppi* |
16:17.26 | Captain_Haddock | sithlord48: I see. |
16:17.48 | sithlord48 | honestly it makes me want a screen thats at least 32" @ 4k |
16:17.59 | Case_Of_ | I don't get the interest of these retina screens |
16:18.14 | sithlord48 | its really hard to read the screen in terminal mode. |
16:18.49 | sithlord48 | Case_Of_: is sooo crisp you can't even see the pixels |
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16:19.49 | sithlord48 | does anyone know where the scaling options are? |
16:19.54 | Case_Of_ | yeah maybe |
16:20.09 | Case_Of_ | I have a 23" display with 1080p resolution |
16:20.18 | sithlord48 | yeah i have a few of them |
16:20.18 | Case_Of_ | I don't see the pixels seriously |
16:20.47 | sithlord48 | the test is very nice to read when its set correctly on this screen |
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16:21.59 | sithlord48 | i have some problems with some apps. in amarok the currently playing widget is about .5 mm tall |
16:22.18 | BluesKaj | sithlord48: system settings> desktop effects> advanced |
16:22.41 | sithlord48 | most of them were fixed by forcing the DPI . some others remain .. checkboxes are usually tiny on screen and of course anything with a forced px size can be way to small |
16:22.45 | sithlord48 | thanks BluesKaj |
16:22.50 | Case_Of_ | now there is screens with 220ppi I can't see the pixels on my "poor" resolution screen |
16:23.42 | sithlord48 | BluesKaj: i don't see an advanced there ? |
16:24.00 | BluesKaj | the advanced tab |
16:24.21 | sithlord48 | i have no such thing |
16:24.41 | BluesKaj | are you on plasma5 |
16:24.55 | sithlord48 | yes 5.4 i just installed and loged out and back in |
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16:25.21 | sithlord48 | oh i think i found it . |
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16:25.34 | sithlord48 | in display configuration scale dislay |
16:25.35 | BluesKaj | ok, then i dunno, still on plasma 4 here |
16:26.00 | sithlord48 | and i need to restart so brb again . |
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17:23.50 | ejay | guys, plasmashell is eating 25% of my cpu. im on kubuntu 15.10 wily. up to date. clearing plasma cache is not helping. any ideas? |
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17:31.59 | tzafrir | Is there an IRC channel for asking about Plasma Mobile (the mobile phone project)? |
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17:42.13 | ejay | update - plasmashell is eating 25% of cpu when kactivitiesmanager is on. when killed plasma is working as intended. |
17:42.28 | ejay | any ideas why? i never used any activities. |
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18:32.56 | sithlord48 | so im back .. and have scaling set to 1.8 but i can't seam to really see the differance. |
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18:35.30 | sithlord48 | does the scaling affect only plasma or is it also susposed to affect programs also ? |
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19:10.57 | BlaXpirit | i keep seeing the other word |
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19:53.43 | qqz | Hi, I am trying out the newest version of KaOS |
19:53.51 | qqz | but kmail does not seem to work |
19:54.00 | qqz | I can register accounts |
19:54.15 | qqz | but retrieving emails lasts infinetly long |
19:54.34 | qqz | it shows some progress bar moving left/right but actually nothing happens |
19:54.47 | qqz | all accounts remain at a download state of 0% |
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19:55.32 | qqz | there are some other problems as well like plasma crashes and so but this one is most important |
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19:56.41 | qqz | can anyone help? |
19:56.50 | qqz | am I right to get help for kde5 here? |
19:57.17 | qqz | is there no way to see what kmail is actually doing? |
19:57.49 | qqz | it lists all the directories on my imap servers |
19:57.57 | qqz | but it can not retrieve a singleton mail |
20:03.38 | qqz | anyone here who can help? |
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20:09.23 | valorie | qqz: perhaps try in #kontact ? |
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20:19.32 | qqz | for trying kde5 what distribution would you recommend? |
20:20.02 | qqz | KaOS does not even provide debuginfo for generating bug reports |
20:21.56 | demm | qqz: did you install debug packages for kdepimlibs and kdepim-runtime? |
20:23.12 | qqz | no, KaOS and archos do not provide debuginfo packages |
20:23.28 | qqz | and compiling from source is undoable for my Atom notebook |
20:23.38 | qqz | not enough computing resources here |
20:23.40 | demm | qqz: KaOS is not Arch :), it provides debug packages for those 2 |
20:23.55 | demm | and for Qt5 |
20:23.55 | qqz | hmm; how; where? |
20:24.05 | qqz | did not find any so far |
20:24.10 | demm | kdepimlibs-debug |
20:24.33 | demm | kdepim-runtime-debug, qt5-base-debug for example |
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20:29.55 | valorie | qqz: my favorite is kubuntu |
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20:30.09 | valorie | I'm running Wily beta without problems |
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23:24.25 | tidux | in Plasma 5, how do I remove a widget from the desktop |
23:24.46 | tidux | I've got what looks like an empty widget box sitting on the middle of my desktop but it doesn't display handles so I can't remove it graphically |
23:25.00 | tidux | is there a text representation of this somewhere in ~/.config or ~/.kde? |
23:28.30 | tidux | never mind, looks like it was a transient bug |
23:28.37 | tidux | flipping between desktop and folder view cleared it |
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