| 00:01.00 | rusty_ | http://postimg.org/image/9krne6gin/b3e3e371/ |
| 00:02.39 | rusty_ | prwilson, were those the right ones to edit |
| 00:03.59 | prwilson | rusty_: actually, is /usr/bin/konsole where konsole lives on your distro? |
| 00:04.40 | rusty_ | prwilson, yes |
| 00:04.51 | prwilson | those also look like they're under another application |
| 00:05.07 | prwilson | as in, there's "close tab", "new tab" etc in the same tree |
| 00:06.21 | rusty_ | prwilson, i got rid of the new tab |
| 00:06.27 | prwilson | sounds like konqueror. you just need that action to be one level up |
| 00:06.49 | rusty_ | prwilson, what does close tab do w/ it though o-o |
| 00:06.58 | rusty_ | prwilson, how do i be one level up |
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| 00:07.15 | uid1 | I can only assume that the QT 5 thing is an unmitigated disaster from my experiences so far. Konversation losing bottom tabs with hot-keys and ... Kate can't print to standard page sizes?!? Am I the only one experiencing this? |
| 00:07.57 | prwilson | rusty_: see if you can drag that action so it's not under the same tree with the konqueror actions. you want it further left. |
| 00:08.19 | prwilson | see that "preset actions" folder? it should be on the same level as that |
| 00:08.26 | prwilson | try dragging it below there |
| 00:09.34 | rusty_ | prwilson, true |
| 00:09.47 | rusty_ | prwilson, I just did it |
| 00:09.55 | rusty_ | prwilson, still doesnt wanna pop up a terminal :( |
| 00:11.02 | prwilson | rusty_: lets see another screenshot |
| 00:11.09 | rusty_ | aite |
| 00:12.24 | rusty_ | http://postimg.org/image/54kz1g5sh/777d070e/ |
| 00:12.32 | rusty_ | prwilson, here you goo |
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| 00:15.07 | prwilson | rusty_: ok, so now you've got it as a child of "preset actions". you want it on the same level as preset actions. |
| 00:15.13 | prwilson | left |
| 00:15.22 | prwilson | ie. global |
| 00:18.21 | rusty_ | prwilson, ahh I see whatchu mean XD |
| 00:19.36 | rusty_ | prwilson, http://postimg.org/image/q6b2ux495/f2fffb33/ |
| 00:19.43 | rusty_ | doesn't work though .__. |
| 00:20.30 | Guest71068 | Hello, I'm trying to play wmv video in my fresh KDE install using Dragon, but it does not recommend any codecm it just dont play it |
| 00:20.32 | rusty_ | prwilson, but i got it to work |
| 00:20.44 | rusty_ | prwilson, I had to make a New group and then make the new action as a child of it |
| 00:20.49 | rusty_ | prwilson, you gave me the idea though |
| 00:20.57 | rusty_ | prwilson, or maybe thats what you meant |
| 00:21.01 | rusty_ | prwilson, thank you so muchy :D |
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| 00:21.45 | Guest71068 | All the search results on google says that you should install VLC (for other formats also), is Dragon useless ? |
| 00:22.44 | prwilson | rusty_: awesome! |
| 00:23.05 | prwilson | Guest71068: depends. do you like to dragon drop? |
| 00:24.02 | Guest71068 | It looks native, so I prefer it's look than VLC :) |
| 00:24.32 | Guest71068 | but How to make it play videos ? |
| 00:24.47 | prwilson | Guest71068: yeah me too. give it a shot. you may need to install codecs depending on your distro |
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| 00:27.37 | Guest71068 | prwilson : for example for mp4, what is the codec? I'm on fedora |
| 00:28.33 | rusty_ | prwilson, what do you think about this http://windypower.deviantart.com/art/Dark-Wind-KDE4-Plasma-Theme-155019138 |
| 00:28.33 | prwilson | Guest71068: fedora includes nothing you need. http://rpmfusion.org/ will solve of your problems. |
| 00:28.50 | prwilson | +all |
| 00:29.15 | Guest71068 | prwilson : I've added this repo |
| 00:29.18 | prwilson | rusty_: that's pretty cool although w/ kde i like the bar on the bottom |
| 00:29.34 | prwilson | Guest71068: from what i recall you want to install almost all the gstreamer stuff |
| 00:29.44 | prwilson | maybe a dnf install gstreamer* |
| 00:29.57 | prwilson | or is that gnome? hmm |
| 00:30.45 | rusty_ | prwilson, trueeee |
| 00:30.54 | rusty_ | prwilson, i want to make my kde sik like that one mayne |
| 00:30.59 | rusty_ | prwilson, can i see urss |
| 00:31.19 | prwilson | rusty_: i'm on plasma 5 |
| 00:31.33 | Guest71068 | prwilson : I see some "duplicated" with -devel , ? |
| 00:32.33 | prwilson | Guest71068: try googling "fedora rpmfusion mp3" |
| 00:33.10 | rusty_ | prwilson, is it a lot different |
| 00:33.10 | rusty_ | ? |
| 00:34.12 | prwilson | rusty_: http://imgur.com/50jUorU |
| 00:34.22 | prwilson | rusty_: i just installed this like an hour ago, barely configured it |
| 00:34.58 | rusty_ | prwilson, its coming together nicely |
| 00:35.15 | rusty_ | prwilson, how did you get the home box |
| 00:35.17 | prwilson | plasma 5 (kde 5) looks way nicer, but there are still some rough edges |
| 00:35.20 | rusty_ | prwilson, to show up on the moniter |
| 00:35.42 | prwilson | rusty_: that actually came out of the box on opensuse, but it's just a desktop widget |
| 00:36.03 | prwilson | rusty_: you should be able to click on the top left of your desktop and add widgets |
| 00:37.14 | prwilson | there are all kinds of widgets, like system/network/disk status to showing cartoon strips |
| 00:38.30 | rusty_ | prwilson, woahhhh |
| 00:38.36 | rusty_ | prwilson, widgets are the boxes xD |
| 00:38.49 | rusty_ | prwilson, why thank you :) |
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| 03:17.03 | mirage335 | OMFG, no xembed support? No ksystraycmd? No alltotray? No minimize to tray option in Kwin rules? WTF are us users supposed to do to dock programs like thunderbird with poor support for SystemNotify? |
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| 03:26.12 | Markus_KMi | xembed systray is dead |
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| 03:29.26 | Markus_KMi | applications have to adapt. luckily the StatusNotifier protocol is cross desktop -- e.g. Ubuntu's app indicators are based on the same protocol. app indicators just work as well |
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| 03:30.41 | mirage335 | Ok, so xembed is dead, but applications don't support it. |
| 03:30.55 | Markus_KMi | many applications do |
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| 03:30.58 | surgy | hello |
| 03:31.11 | mirage335 | And honestly, I doubt Status Notifier will be properly supported by even up-to-date distros for more than a year. |
| 03:31.22 | mirage335 | Especially since it has already been around at least that long. |
| 03:31.28 | mirage335 | So, again, what to do in the meantime? |
| 03:31.37 | surgy | im looking at the kde display configuration-system settings...... and trying to arrange my two monitors in a different format... i want the monitor on the right to be the left..... ao i rearrange them..... but the "apply" button is broken |
| 03:31.38 | Markus_KMi | again: it's the same protocol Unity uses |
| 03:31.39 | mirage335 | Is this just another case of Linux sucks for the desktop? |
| 03:32.00 | Markus_KMi | yes, use windows |
| 03:32.14 | mirage335 | That's a really disappointing answer. |
| 03:32.25 | mirage335 | So, here we had a solution, now we have nothing. |
| 03:32.45 | mirage335 | And seriously, some kind of "alltotray" functionality at the very least is required. |
| 03:32.45 | surgy | nevermind i fixed it :) |
| 03:33.04 | Markus_KMi | surgy: cool |
| 03:33.33 | surgy | how do i ake glxgears output its fps? |
| 03:34.14 | Markus_KMi | mirage335: I don't think that is a use case for a majority of people |
| 03:34.42 | Markus_KMi | surgy: Start it from Konsole |
| 03:35.00 | Markus_KMi | it's a bad benchmark, though |
| 03:35.22 | mirage335 | Markus_KMi: So much as being able to dock an email client off the task manager across all desktops, so it can popup notifications from time to time is not a use case? |
| 03:35.34 | mirage335 | Seriously? Reading freaking email? |
| 03:35.48 | mirage335 | There needs to be a workaround that actually fits in the panel. |
| 03:35.49 | surgy | Markus_KMi, ok another question then..... how do i control which monitor applications open in? |
| 03:35.50 | Markus_KMi | works just fine with KMail |
| 03:36.30 | mirage335 | Seriously? I have to abandon my mail client of choice for the KDE walled garden alternative because the devs decided to totally screw this over without any workarounds? |
| 03:37.01 | mirage335 | Frankly, I'm really hoping I'm missing something, any kind of mechanism to dock apps to the 'SystemNotifier'. |
| 03:37.11 | mirage335 | Or just dock apps period. |
| 03:37.34 | Markus_KMi | surgy: Right click on title bar --> more actions --> special window settings |
| 03:38.50 | Markus_KMi | mirage335: ask mozilla to fix thunderbird |
| 03:39.11 | surgy | thank you |
| 03:39.14 | Markus_KMi | oh wait, according to mozilla thunderbird is already perfect which is why they ended development |
| 03:39.22 | surgy | now to get the proprietary amd video card driver to work |
| 03:39.49 | mirage335 | Thunderbird is, in fact, maintained. FireTray even supports the new SystemNotifier. |
| 03:40.09 | mirage335 | However, so far as I can tell, no one has actually made it work under Arch. |
| 03:41.06 | Markus_KMi | I can't say anything about 3rd party extentions to thunderbird under arch |
| 03:41.51 | mirage335 | Markus_KMi: Point is, KDE has drastically changed the systray functionality, without leaving any transition mechanism. |
| 03:42.04 | mirage335 | I am rather desperately looking for that transition mechanism. |
| 03:42.18 | drfoobaz | mirage355: They didn't change it as radically as Gnome 3. |
| 03:42.30 | Markus_KMi | mirage335: You're wrong |
| 03:42.38 | mirage335 | Then what's the transition mechanism? |
| 03:42.53 | Markus_KMi | Plasma 4 and Unity support StatusNotifies since years |
| 03:43.15 | Markus_KMi | there were years of transition |
| 03:43.27 | mirage335 | And yet, now everything doesn't work. |
| 03:43.53 | Markus_KMi | if the app's developers stuck their heads in the sand, it's their fault |
| 03:43.55 | mirage335 | Previously, I actually ran a mixed LXDE desktop on Gentoo/Funtoo, but that occasionally had problems, notably with clipboard support. I was hoping to go back towards KDE, but this is ridiculous. |
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| 03:44.16 | Markus_KMi | then go back to whatever desktop you like. |
| 03:44.27 | mirage335 | I'm not happy at all, with either solution. |
| 03:44.29 | Markus_KMi | xembed systray won't come back |
| 03:44.39 | mirage335 | Well, come to think of it, why not? |
| 03:44.46 | Markus_KMi | Wayland |
| 03:44.51 | mirage335 | Why not just implement a plasma widget to support xembed. |
| 03:45.03 | mirage335 | Wayland... I'll believe that when I actually see hardware supporting it. |
| 03:45.33 | Markus_KMi | what GPU do you have? |
| 03:45.45 | mirage335 | Intel HD Graphics, Lenovo X220 Tablet |
| 03:45.53 | mirage335 | Not my only GPU though. |
| 03:46.07 | Markus_KMi | See, you already have Waylang compatibility |
| 03:46.10 | mirage335 | IIRC, Wayland will never support fast drivers for NVIDIA cards, so that leaves me out. |
| 03:46.41 | Markus_KMi | it's up to NVidia to fix their broken driver |
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| 03:46.59 | Markus_KMi | but all Intel and AMD GPUs with Mesa drivers just work under wayland |
| 03:47.29 | mirage335 | Well, so basically, I'm gathering Thunderbird just won't work on Linux going forward. :( |
| 03:47.41 | Markus_KMi | I don't know about TB |
| 03:47.56 | mirage335 | It's sad to see Linux continue shifting quicker than applications can support it. |
| 03:48.05 | Markus_KMi | Wayland will be the default session in the upcoming Gnome release |
| 03:48.22 | Markus_KMi | with luck Plasma 5.5 will do the same |
| 03:48.35 | Markus_KMi | Unity will switch to Mir in 2016 |
| 03:48.42 | mirage335 | Well seriously though, would it really be impossible to offer an 'alltotray' function along with Plasma5? |
| 03:48.58 | mirage335 | I am looking for something like that. The current situation is highly inconvenient. |
| 03:49.09 | Markus_KMi | i don't know. should be possible, but not with xembed |
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| 03:49.56 | mirage335 | *sigh* |
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| 03:51.13 | Markus_KMi | maybe some 3rd party will implement an x11 systray for plasma. I heard Red Hat was looking into it but I have no clue if they actually do work on that |
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| 03:52.40 | mirage335 | Hmm. |
| 03:52.46 | mirage335 | Maybe lxqt won't be so bad. |
| 03:53.56 | Markus_KMi | why not use Icon Tasks? |
| 03:54.07 | mirage335 | What are those? |
| 03:54.25 | mirage335 | Oh, right. |
| 03:54.36 | mirage335 | I think I used that years back. It was yet another panel. |
| 03:55.39 | Markus_KMi | it's part of plasma now |
| 03:56.14 | Markus_KMi | unlick widgets -> right click on tasks -> alternatives |
| 03:56.26 | mirage335 | It's also not specific to the applications I want docked. |
| 03:56.41 | mirage335 | The whole point is to dock *some* applications, independently of the main taskbar. |
| 03:59.30 | mirage335 | Hmm, LXDE-QT doesn't seem so bad. |
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| 03:59.47 | Markus_KMi | Just tried FireTray for my Firefox installation |
| 03:59.48 | mirage335 | Certainly no fuss about Thunderbird. |
| 03:59.56 | mirage335 | Markus_KMi: And? |
| 03:59.56 | Markus_KMi | crashed the GTK3 port of Firefox |
| 04:00.03 | mirage335 | *sigh* |
| 04:00.17 | Markus_KMi | had to manually delete the extension from the profile folder |
| 04:00.40 | mirage335 | Ouch. |
| 04:00.44 | mirage335 | What distro are you using? |
| 04:00.55 | Markus_KMi | fedora. gtk3 firefox is default here |
| 04:01.24 | mirage335 | Ahh, I see. |
| 04:01.33 | Markus_KMi | once/if thunderbird switches to gtk3, firetray will have to be ported once again. |
| 04:01.44 | mirage335 | *sigh* |
| 04:02.18 | mirage335 | So, maybe I'll have to abandon FireTray after all, but it would sure be alot easier if some kind of all-to-tray application existed for KDE. |
| 04:03.15 | Markus_KMi | that's really not my use case, so i never investigated for a solution |
| 04:04.03 | mirage335 | Honestly, not being able to 'background' an email client is debilitating. |
| 04:05.29 | Markus_KMi | sadly not much development happening: https://github.com/foudfou/FireTray/tree/master/src |
| 04:05.46 | Markus_KMi | most recent changes are updates to translations |
| 04:06.21 | mirage335 | Probably not much development needed, aside from things breaking due to changes to the underlying software. |
| 04:06.33 | Markus_KMi | there surely are mail clients other than kmail that support statusnotifier |
| 04:06.58 | mirage335 | Perhaps. But TB is still maintained, and it is still a major mail client. |
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| 04:08.01 | Markus_KMi | maintained maybe but according to http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/06/so-thats-it-for-thunderbird/ not under active development |
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| 04:09.40 | Markus_KMi | for whatever reason the mail back-ends of FirefoxOS and thunderbird are not shared among those two |
| 04:10.07 | Markus_KMi | i.e. they are not using the same technology with different GUIs |
| 04:10.23 | io_error | That's rather out of date, the current status is https://blog.mozilla.org/thunderbird/2014/11/thunderbird-reorganizes-at-2014-toronto-summit/ |
| 04:10.46 | mirage335 | io_error: Thank you for referencing that. |
| 04:11.31 | Markus_KMi | "We agreed that Thunderbird needs to have one or more full-time, paid staff to support shipping a stable, reliable product, and allow progress to be made on frequently-requested features. To this end, we plan to appeal directly to our users for donations." |
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| 04:11.40 | io_error | As for me, I keep Thunderbird on its own virtual desktop, so I never minimize it to tray... |
| 04:11.54 | Markus_KMi | so no development by mozilla corp |
| 04:12.17 | io_error | They are actually shipping the new features they promised, so it looks like they're pulling it off |
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| 04:12.44 | Markus_KMi | I found myself completely quitting kmail when I'm not using it as I get mail notifications from my phone via KDE Connect anyway |
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| 04:13.21 | mirage335 | Try joining some mailing lists. |
| 04:13.27 | io_error | Oh god |
| 04:13.38 | Markus_KMi | I just quit all mailing lists |
| 04:13.39 | mirage335 | That phone notification will be going off continiously... |
| 04:13.50 | io_error | I set digest mode everywhere and still get multiple messages a day |
| 04:13.56 | mirage335 | No wonder you don't care about a functional email client then. |
| 04:14.26 | Markus_KMi | kmail has the feature you want, i just happen to use it less and less in recent months |
| 04:15.08 | mirage335 | KMail very likely doesn't have *all* the features I want though. |
| 04:16.05 | mirage335 | It's not exactly nice to be forced to use the DE program because it doesn't play nice with any others. |
| 04:16.52 | Markus_KMi | Plasma and Unity nicely share the same systray protocol |
| 04:17.07 | Markus_KMi | since years, as i said before ;) |
| 04:17.12 | mirage335 | Which again, doesn't seem well supported yet. |
| 04:18.55 | mirage335 | Hmm, really, LXQT isn't bad. |
| 04:19.01 | Markus_KMi | without any hard facts on that topic, I'm pretty certain that Plasma and Unity combined make up the majority of Linux desktops. If the app authors don't care about the majority of their users, it's their fault |
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| 04:19.43 | mirage335 | 1) The majority of their users are likely on MS platforms. 2) TB does not provide any tray support on its own. |
| 04:20.16 | mirage335 | Frankly, I still see this as a burden pushed on the app developers, which ultimately gets pushed on the end users as a loss of functionality. |
| 04:20.23 | Markus_KMi | I am obviously talking about Linux applications, not Windows applications |
| 04:21.09 | mirage335 | The way this is going, cross-platform applications will have an incentive to go Windows. |
| 04:23.14 | Markus_KMi | Windows applications also have to be adapted to support new features of new Windows versions |
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| 04:23.34 | mirage335 | Historically, much less often. |
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| 04:23.58 | mirage335 | And seriously, I think the system tray has stayed the same from what, Win95 to Win7? |
| 04:25.32 | Markus_KMi | it's not like supporting a new systray protocol is more work than porting a Windows applications to .NET with a Metro GUI |
| 04:26.31 | Markus_KMi | Qt applications don't have to be changed at all. |
| 04:27.57 | mirage335 | And yet, through one extension or another, Thunderbird continues to provide a systray icon reliably on that platform. |
| 04:28.01 | mirage335 | But not on Linux. |
| 04:28.43 | Markus_KMi | if you don't like frequent changes, you're pretty much wrong with Arch Linux anyway. Use CentOS and you only have to upgrade once every 10 years |
| 04:29.23 | Markus_KMi | and it's not a desktop's responsibility to work around bugs in some thunderbird extension |
| 04:29.48 | mirage335 | As a Gentoo/Funtoo user, I have found it *necessary* to be able to support the latest versions of software to get things done. |
| 04:29.53 | mirage335 | Frequent changes, I don't mind. |
| 04:30.26 | mirage335 | The continuing trend to break things along the path of 'architectural improvements', to the point where no complete system actually works, is infuriating though. |
| 04:30.52 | mirage335 | At this rate, I'll have to dedicate physically separate computers to separate tasks. |
| 04:30.54 | Markus_KMi | again: the statusnotifier protocol is here since years |
| 04:30.58 | mirage335 | Actually, I know someone who does that. |
| 04:31.20 | Markus_KMi | and according to firetray, it also supports that protocol |
| 04:31.30 | Markus_KMi | maybe it's arch's fault |
| 04:31.42 | mirage335 | And yet, even a relatively recent distro like arch doesn't incorporate that support. |
| 04:31.45 | mirage335 | Arch's fault? |
| 04:31.59 | mirage335 | Compare with Debian, CentOS, or half the other distros out there. |
| 04:32.29 | mirage335 | For that matter, Ubuntu seems to the the only distro benefitting from this. |
| 04:33.23 | Markus_KMi | apparently firetray with statusnotifier workd for the author. no idea which os he uses |
| 04:34.13 | Markus_KMi | the readme says something about xfce. maybe he uses xubuntu or so |
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| 04:35.47 | Markus_KMi | X11 is a security nightmare. it's important to kill it ASAP |
| 04:36.26 | mirage335 | Oh wow. |
| 04:36.39 | mirage335 | And tell me, does wayland support any kind of per-app forwarding over SSH? |
| 04:37.01 | mirage335 | Security nightmare or not, X11 as a server/client architecture has its merits. |
| 04:37.38 | Markus_KMi | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM0MDg |
| 04:38.41 | mirage335 | Sounds more like VNC than X11 forwarding. |
| 04:41.07 | Markus_KMi | X11 forwarding is crap. RDP is a proper protocol and -- btw -- compatible with Windows |
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| 04:42.25 | Markus_KMi | nobody is hindering you to use X11 with LXQt if you prefer that |
| 04:43.29 | Markus_KMi | until LXQt migrates to Wayland or Thunderbird migrates to GTK3 and FireTray will stop working again for you |
| 04:45.13 | Markus_KMi | btw I don't think your problem with some niche extension is representative of the entire user base |
| 04:46.23 | Markus_KMi | well, it was nice but I have to go now. I hope you find a workflow that suits you. |
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| 04:49.49 | mirage335 | Thanks. |
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| 04:51.23 | mirage335 | As it is, I've been a bit harsh today, a bit fed up with things not working for somewhat apparently arbitary reasons. Still, I think I will end up using LXQt for now. It's actually rather efficient, and hopefully SystemNotifier support will be more mature when that does become the only practical option. |
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| 05:49.15 | uid1 | mirage335: I scrolled back and read some of µ^òÏconversation -- I think I'm in pretty strong agreement with you. |
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| 05:50.42 | uid1 | I've got Kate on QT 5 which wouldn't let me change paper size. Downgraded Konversation as the open channel list moved to the side, making channel output even narrower. Lost ability to have hot-key tab-switching. Etc. |
| 05:52.00 | uid1 | I'm finding it quite distressing the direction my favourite pieces of software have been moving lately. Seems the Mate desktop or something that will let me stick to KDE 4.x is in my future. (I'm on Manjaro and halted updates after QT5 began rolling out.) |
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| 06:31.33 | chrisb2244 | LFS and install what you want...? |
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| 08:00.19 | lordievader | Good morning. |
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| 09:16.04 | Tuju | my kde mail has become very problematic recently |
| 09:16.24 | Tuju | every time i sit at this computer and try to open emails, it just hangs. |
| 09:18.41 | Tuju | akonadictl is a background tool and if everything would be fine, nobody would even know that it exists. But instead it's like a MS Windows taskmanager.exe, people actually have it at hand in some window all the time. |
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| 10:21.21 | CapsAdmin | how do i remove notes that are stuck in the taskbar? |
| 10:23.11 | leszek | CapsAdmin: on plasma 4 right click and you should find a menu entry to remove the notes widget. On Plasma 5 only by configuring the taskbar (by default the configure button on the far right) and then hovering over it and pressing X |
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| 10:28.59 | CapsAdmin | leszek, thanks. i'm using plasma 5 |
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| 11:13.21 | s4ndm4n | Is there a way to fix the hover behavior of Dolphin if GTK theme applied using qtconfig? |
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| 11:21.35 | leszek | s4ndm4n: whats wrong with it ? |
| 11:23.53 | s4ndm4n | leszek: https://i.imgur.com/cSxfJTz.png |
| 11:24.47 | leszek | oh hmm... never saw that kind of problem before |
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| 11:25.31 | s4ndm4n | When I select a directory/file and hover over it, the name disappears. I know it can be fixed by changing @bg_color of gtk theme but changing it will affect all the gtk applications |
| 11:25.49 | s4ndm4n | leszek: I got an idea |
| 11:26.35 | s4ndm4n | Can you guys suggest me qtcurve themes that look similar to few gtk themes? |
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| 11:37.05 | BlaXpirit | s4ndm4n, what the hell does gtk have to do with anything? |
| 11:37.26 | BlaXpirit | do you want your dolphin to not look horrible or are you looking for advice on something else? |
| 11:37.28 | leszek | s4ndm4n: maybe this: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KElementary+Theme+Package?content=160317 |
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| 11:38.08 | s4ndm4n | BlaXpirit: I want my dolphin to not look horrible. |
| 11:38.26 | BlaXpirit | s4ndm4n, well very soon with next release of kde applications it won't :p |
| 11:38.31 | BlaXpirit | s4ndm4n, for now u need to install a kde 4 theme |
| 11:38.57 | BlaXpirit | or style, whatever it's called |
| 11:39.24 | s4ndm4n | BlaXpirit: qtcurve? |
| 11:39.34 | BlaXpirit | s4ndm4n, that's a gtk theme |
| 11:40.23 | BlaXpirit | s4ndm4n, on arch linux it's "breeze-kde4" |
| 11:40.32 | s4ndm4n | BlaXpirit: I am not using Plasma 5 |
| 11:40.33 | BlaXpirit | or "oxygen-kde4", whatever floats ur boatr |
| 11:40.55 | BlaXpirit | s4ndm4n, well that's surely a surprise. the icon set is misleading |
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| 11:41.54 | BlaXpirit | s4ndm4n, well you need to install and/or select oxygen theme |
| 11:42.12 | s4ndm4n | BlaXpirit: Are there other alternatives? |
| 11:42.29 | BlaXpirit | s4ndm4n, what are you looking for in alternatives? |
| 11:42.52 | s4ndm4n | BlaXpirit: Alternative to oxygen theme? |
| 11:43.03 | BlaXpirit | i dont know, there are a log |
| 11:43.05 | BlaXpirit | lot |
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| 13:40.36 | Tekkkz | Hello! I'm on KDE5 Plasma and I want to switch the Audio Output Device. I want to switch from the built-in to an USB Speaker. I have kmix installed. How to switch? |
| 13:45.12 | spideyclick | Tekkkz: Usually I right-click the sound button on the system tray, then go to audio setup. I'm on KDE4, so your mileage may vary. |
| 13:45.50 | Tekkkz | yeah works for me too, but what must i do in audio setup? |
| 13:47.13 | ntz | hmmm ... what's the proper KDE-ish way to do at the startup something like: ``mount --rbind /var/run/media/$USER $HOME/mnt/auto'' ? |
| 13:47.56 | ntz | eg I want that kde (or udisks or systemd) simply mounts my user mounts (like usb drives) somewhere to my home folder and not to inane /var/run/media |
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| 13:53.23 | spideyclick | I usually go to audio hardware setup, switch between different sound cards and devices. Usually I have to play with it a little before it works properly. |
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| 13:55.01 | spideyclick | As far as doing something at startup, I would go to system settings>startup and shutdown>add a script. Just put your commands in that script. The only problem you might run into is with sudo permissions--I could be wrong, but I think scripts executed after KDE startup are run as a regular user. |
| 13:58.10 | spideyclick | ntz: I have also had some fun with the device notifier settings (right click icon on system tray). It can automount, but I do not know how to make it mount to a specific folder. Perhaps a script that you could trigger from the desktop would be a better solution. |
| 14:00.50 | ntz | thanks |
| 14:01.35 | ntz | spideyclick: you'd probably need to change it on udisks or systemd level I'd suppose |
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| 14:02.17 | ntz | spideyclick: workaround for me is, if KDE from theiras autostart does something like: sudo /usr/bin/mount --rbind /var/run/media/$USER $HOME/mnt/auto |
| 14:02.43 | ntz | but the problem is, that stupid udisk removes the top level ($USER) folder when nothing is mounted |
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| 14:07.04 | tekkkz | hi |
| 14:07.06 | tekkkz | its me again |
| 14:07.45 | tekkkz | spideyclick, so listen pls: in pavucontrol i need to disable all audio devices except the usb speakers to be able to listen with them. but in kmix i dont have this posiblity? |
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| 14:37.37 | tekkkz | huhu? |
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| 14:41.25 | BlaXpirit | tekkkz, have u seen phonon settings? |
| 14:42.39 | tekkkz | what is it? |
| 14:42.52 | BlaXpirit | tekkkz, search for phonon and see |
| 14:44.29 | tekkkz | BlaXpirit, i have phonon-qt5-gstreamer already installed |
| 14:44.35 | BlaXpirit | tekkkz, by search i mean search in kde menus |
| 14:44.42 | BlaXpirit | of course u have it installed |
| 14:44.49 | tekkkz | okay |
| 14:44.49 | BlaXpirit | now go to sound settings / phonon settings |
| 14:45.29 | tekkkz | wehre is this?? i have phonon opened |
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| 14:46.59 | tekkkz | you mean in phonon or what? |
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| 14:48.39 | tekkkz | BlaXpirit, are you there? |
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| 15:10.53 | tekkkz | BlaXpirit, rm -Rf ~/.kde*/share/apps/kmix/ ~/.kde*/share/config/kmix* helped me |
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| 15:15.26 | blurider | Why is the kio-ftp plugin linked against libssh instead of openssh? |
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| 15:17.16 | rdieter | blurider: because openssh doesn't provide a library? |
| 15:17.16 | ashkan_ | Hi I cannot connect to my cisco vpn on fedora 22 kde |
| 15:17.22 | ashkan_ | it goes in a loop |
| 15:17.25 | ashkan_ | https://paste.kde.org/pttedr44m |
| 15:17.39 | blurider | rdieter: how's sshfs dependending on openssh then? |
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| 15:18.07 | rdieter | blurider: I could only guess |
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| 15:18.52 | blurider | rdieter: I ask because i recently switched to the HPN patches for openssh and have large bandwidth gains. But, those gains don't extend to kio-sftp since it uses libssh. |
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| 15:19.17 | blurider | rdieter: 9 mb/s : hpn-ssh; 2 mb/s : kio-sftp |
| 15:21.50 | rdieter | I'd venture similar patches could be made for libssh too |
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| 16:25.19 | mirage335 | New session under plasma5 results in a major kscreenlocker crash, locking things up, if the new session is not a plasma5 session. |
| 16:25.32 | mirage335 | So, starting lxqt in the new session does not work reliably. |
| 16:25.46 | mirage335 | Any way to start whatever daemon is necessary to make the appropriate dbus calls? |
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| 16:29.25 | mirage335 | "Qt: Session management error: networkIdsList argument is NULL" |
| 16:29.29 | mirage335 | That may be relevant. |
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| 16:30.21 | rdieter | mirage335: I get that error semi-often too |
| 16:30.41 | rdieter | (without crashes) |
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| 16:31.15 | mirage335 | Hmm. |
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| 16:31.31 | mirage335 | Well, the question remains, how to get KDE to play nice with other DE's. |
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| 16:33.54 | mirage335 | Interesting. The crash still happens when lxqt runs kwin. |
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| 16:48.47 | mirage335 | "QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display :0" |
| 16:49.03 | mirage335 | Lots of those error messages show up in journalctl when this happens. |
| 16:49.19 | mirage335 | And I find, it is indeed impossible to start any X application on display :0 . |
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| 16:55.58 | mirage335 | Wow. If I lock the screen, start a new session from the locker, launch lxqt in it, and then return to plasma, I can get back in. No problems. |
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| 16:56.19 | mirage335 | So the problem is clearly that the locker tries to run while the VT in question is not in use. |
| 16:56.43 | mirage335 | Any way to disable the locker during switching? |
| 16:58.04 | mirage335 | Uggh. Just locked up again when I tried to launch the locker while lxqt was running. |
| 16:58.49 | mirage335 | Seems like the locker is trying to access the lxqt session, failing, and crashing. |
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| 17:05.15 | mirage335 | Hmm. Seems that running the locker manaully causes a crash even when plasma is the other session. |
| 17:05.35 | mirage335 | But not when no other sessions are present. |
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| 17:10.14 | mirage335 | Reset all plasma configuration options, same issue. |
| 17:10.23 | mirage335 | Come on, anyone have any ideas? |
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| 17:15.24 | mirage335 | *sigh* Problem solved. |
| 17:15.59 | mirage335 | "Thou shall not have two sessions under the same user." |
| 17:16.16 | mirage335 | Would be nice to see some documentation to the effect that KDE doesn't handle this nicely somewhere. |
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| 17:25.54 | dabbill | Any one know how to get owncloud overlays to work in dolphin, running fedora 22 KDE |
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| 17:58.46 | ecksun | hmm, it seems I cannot use alt+§ as a keyboard shortcut in plasma (just upgraded from kde4), do you have any idea why? |
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| 18:04.54 | ecksun | in fact, it seems like I cant use § for a keyboard shortcut at all |
| 18:06.21 | BlaXpirit | ecksun, i dont think much can be done |
| 18:06.23 | BlaXpirit | report and move on |
| 18:06.55 | uid1 | ecksun: Did it work in kde4 ? |
| 18:06.58 | ecksun | uid1, ye |
| 18:07.19 | uid1 | What a clusterfuck. |
| 18:07.34 | uid1 | Not ready for public consumption, this v5 |
| 18:07.57 | BlaXpirit | ecksun, counting the number of regressions is a fun game |
| 18:08.02 | ecksun | :D |
| 18:08.04 | BlaXpirit | i lost count tho, should've at least written down |
| 18:08.20 | ecksun | I will report it, but I would love to include more debugging information than just "doesnt work" |
| 18:08.35 | ecksun | do you know where keyboard shortcuts are saved? |
| 18:08.38 | BlaXpirit | ecksun, well it's easily reproducible |
| 18:08.45 | ecksun | BlaXpirit, can you reproduce it? |
| 18:08.52 | BlaXpirit | i dont have such a button |
| 18:08.56 | ecksun | what? |
| 18:08.59 | ecksun | what do you have to the left of one? |
| 18:09.20 | BlaXpirit | ` as is typical |
| 18:09.22 | uid1 | ` and shifted is ~ |
| 18:09.40 | ecksun | hmm |
| 18:09.42 | ecksun | interesting |
| 18:09.47 | ecksun | I have a swedish keyboard |
| 18:09.51 | ecksun | didnt knew they differed there |
| 18:10.03 | ecksun | I wonder if I can use åäö for shortcuts |
| 18:10.07 | uid1 | US style keyboard... |
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| 18:12.12 | ecksun | another curious thing is that if I bind simply § to a keyboard shortcut, the 's' key stops working |
| 18:13.14 | BlaXpirit | wat |
| 18:13.34 | BlaXpirit | now i would say uid1's initial phrase is relevant |
| 18:13.53 | uid1 | Sometimes I hate being right... |
| 18:14.46 | uid1 | Truly, I'm heartbroken at what KDE's become. I heard the noise about the 3 -> 4 upgrade, then eventually tried 4 and loved it, despite its quirks. |
| 18:15.39 | ecksun | so, what has it become? |
| 18:15.42 | uid1 | The dev efforts ought to have gone into polishing 4 IMHO, but perhaps that's boring compared to new tools / system dev'ing? Anyway, I'm deeply saddened. |
| 18:16.30 | BlaXpirit | uid1, surely fixing the rare bugs is less fun than rewriting things |
| 18:16.57 | uid1 | It's become something with less visual appeal (I thought we left the flat design when we left the 1990's), loss of features, inability to get Kate to print to standard page size, ... (@ ecksun) |
| 18:17.20 | rdieter | thought kde4 got lots of polish, still does some... kde4 kdelibs/kde-workspace LTS is still part of kde-applications releases |
| 18:17.41 | ecksun | uid1, I dont really care about how it looks, I always get rid of all decoration anyway |
| 18:17.49 | uid1 | I'm running a bastardized hybrid of KDE 4 and QT5 at the moment; stopped upgrading when Konversation went QT5 and I lost critical features... |
| 18:18.21 | ecksun | loosing features though is very annoying, luckily I haven't noticed anything yet |
| 18:18.30 | BlaXpirit | i didn't settle for the hybrid, abandoned my favorite distro just to get kde 4 |
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| 18:19.31 | uid1 | rdieter: The areas that I, personally, thought needed polish was in the phonon settings and general system settings -- they were confusing and seemingly not grouped / organized appropriately. But otherwise I agree, 90+% was extremely nice. |
| 18:20.15 | uid1 | BlaXpirit: Yeah, same idea I'm having -- moving from Manjaro to CentOS 7. What did you switch from / to ? |
| 18:20.29 | BlaXpirit | arch linux -> linux mint |
| 18:20.49 | uid1 | So are you using Mate? Is there even a Mint + KDE ? |
| 18:20.56 | BlaXpirit | uid1, there is |
| 18:20.58 | BlaXpirit | but i definitely dont recommend linux mint. if i made the choice now, it's 100% Kubuntu |
| 18:21.06 | BlaXpirit | 14.04 that is |
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| 18:21.33 | uid1 | That would probably be where I'd go. Full of respect for Mint, but it's not where I'd go to, myself. |
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| 19:38.42 | tekkkz | Hello! I'm on arch with kde5 plasma and i have a problem with kmix. I have an usb speaker and i cant activate it with kmix. How can i fix this? |
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| 19:42.52 | Fusselwurm | tekkkz: have you tried alsamixer? |
| 19:42.59 | blurider | When unifying displays, plasma 5 seems to lose its widgets. Telling it to add widgets seems to bring them back. |
| 19:43.11 | blurider | tekkkz: what do you mean by activate? |
| 19:43.15 | tekkkz | Fusselwurm, what do you mean? |
| 19:43.20 | tekkkz | ahh |
| 19:43.24 | tekkkz | wait guys |
| 19:43.53 | BlaXpirit | Fusselwurm, are u serious here? |
| 19:43.53 | tekkkz | with pavucontrol, i can disable my build-in sound device so the usb ist the only left and is used, but with kmix i can not switch to the usb device |
| 19:44.14 | blurider | tekkkz: right click kmix, select master channel |
| 19:44.22 | BlaXpirit | tekkkz, have you gone to goddamn phonon settings like i told you |
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| 19:44.47 | tekkkz | blurider, but whatever i select there, its still the built-in |
| 19:45.01 | tekkkz | BlaXpirit, you never told me what i should set up in phonon, you didnt answered anymore |
| 19:45.23 | BlaXpirit | tekkkz, see if there is a relevant recording device and move it up |
| 19:45.36 | tekkkz | yeah no ther is just default |
| 19:45.44 | Fusselwurm | BlaXpirit: half serious, yes. |
| 19:45.44 | BlaXpirit | ok then sorry |
| 19:45.52 | BlaXpirit | this is actually bad news |
| 19:45.59 | tekkkz | yup |
| 19:46.03 | BlaXpirit | maybe it's not recognized at all |
| 19:46.07 | tekkkz | wait |
| 19:46.42 | tekkkz | 1st: but with pavucontrol im able to use it, 2nd: some hours ago before i isntalled everything new i got it working, but now not .. ;( |
| 19:47.39 | BlaXpirit | if i can't figure something out with a combination of phonon settings and pavucontrol, i would think it's a lost cause |
| 19:48.04 | tekkkz | no, hours ago i also got it |
| 19:48.43 | tekkkz | can i manually add a device to phonon? |
| 19:48.52 | BlaXpirit | no |
| 19:50.41 | tekkkz | but why did i got it working housr ago and not now? ... must i do something with modproble and snd-usb-.. ? |
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| 20:00.59 | tekkkz | BlaXpirit, Fusselwurm how can i solve my prolbem? i already solved it today but how??? |
| 20:01.59 | Fusselwurm | (no idea, but im just a stupid user anyway when it comes to kde) |
| 20:02.11 | tekkkz | you guys need to have a solution you are the pros!! |
| 20:02.20 | tekkkz | ohh, Fusselwurm , kommschon ;) |
| 20:02.40 | Fusselwurm | nä, ich bin raus |
| 20:03.03 | Fusselwurm | und, kein witz - wenn mir der kmix nix zeigt auÃer nem einzelnen balken (was er bei mir chronisch tut), nehm ich den alsamixer |
| 20:03.19 | tekkkz | hm wie meinst du das? |
| 20:03.29 | Fusselwurm | konsole aufmachen, alsamixer eingeben |
| 20:03.50 | tekkkz | und wie wähle ich dort dann welche device ich nutzen mag? |
| 20:03.50 | Fusselwurm | kann aber nich garantieren daà der bei dir installiert is |
| 20:03.55 | tekkkz | doch doch |
| 20:04.00 | Fusselwurm | öhm |
| 20:04.26 | tekkkz | lol!!! |
| 20:04.26 | Fusselwurm | achso |
| 20:04.44 | Fusselwurm | gerät? ich dachte es ginge ums normale lautstärkeregeln für die verschiedenen ausgänge -.- |
| 20:05.22 | tekkkz | ne, um gerät wählen ^^ >>when i use the usb as master channel in kmix, the sound is still the built-in device. but the volume for the usb device changes ... |
| 20:06.33 | tekkkz | Fusselwurm, hast du wegen gerät nun doch ne idee? |
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| 20:07.18 | Fusselwurm | nä |
| 20:08.04 | tekkkz | naja die lautstärke kann ich ja ändern, kommmt blos kein ton beim usb gerät an, auÃer wenn ich das andere, nicht-usb gerät in pavucontrol auf off schalte. aber ich hatte das heute auch schon mit kmix hinbekommen |
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| 20:14.05 | tekkkz | oh! |
| 20:14.13 | tekkkz | Fusselwurm, muss ich eigl alsa isntalliert haben? |
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| 20:18.16 | Fusselwurm | tekkkz: plz frag mich keine technischen fragen ,ich kann dann nur lügen oder schweigen |
| 20:18.17 | Fusselwurm | beides doof |
| 20:18.52 | tekkkz | ok. BlaXpirit , must i install alsa instead of alsa-utils? |
| 20:19.31 | BlaXpirit | tekkkz, i do not solicit any solutions involving the word "alsa" |
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| 20:21.25 | tekkkz | ahh ok. But can you imagine why it works if i disable the built-in device in pavucontrol but not working when switching master channel in kmix? man i got it working already today ... |
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| 21:08.48 | allo | hi |
| 21:10.12 | allo | can i do something about bad rendering of window decorations? http://www.picpaste.de/text.png <-- font seems very washed out in 5.3 compared to kde 4.x |
| 21:10.23 | allo | and the compositing gives me black windows until i resize them sometimes |
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| 21:16.05 | tekkkz | BlaXpirit, i got it working now! |
| 21:16.40 | tekkkz | i just needed to killall pulseaudio, now it works! cool hm? |
| 21:17.42 | BlaXpirit | if you restarted it afterwards then cool |
| 21:17.50 | BlaXpirit | if it's still dead then maybe not so cool |
| 21:18.13 | tekkkz | no it autorestarted |
| 21:18.23 | BlaXpirit | ok |
| 21:18.31 | BlaXpirit | grats |
| 21:18.38 | tekkkz | so this is something you really coudlnt know |
| 21:18.50 | tekkkz | but thx for all, gn8, cya |
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| 23:38.50 | LBV_User | hi all. I just replaced kde4 with kde5. I develop a Qt5 application, and since the switch it always got mnemonics in all pushbuttons, even in those I don't add the & |
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| 23:39.08 | LBV_User | any idea what can be causing this (and how to disable)w |
| 23:39.10 | LBV_User | ? |
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