| 00:00.04 | nfk | Jucato, how? |
| 00:00.39 | nfk | note that if it involved systemsettings5, you can guess three times how i found out that launching it causes that weird error message ;) |
| 00:01.02 | Jucato | you can try launching only the specifc setting: kcmshell5 kcmsmserver |
| 00:01.13 | nfk | what is that? |
| 00:01.26 | nfk | oh |
| 00:01.27 | Jucato | [07:59] <Jucato> (you can also set kde to start from an empty session to make sure it's all "clean") |
| 00:01.31 | nfk | session management server |
| 00:01.55 | nfk | place your bids on the error popping up as well |
| 00:02.04 | nfk | *goes to turn on the laptop* |
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| 00:11.49 | nfk|laptop | well |
| 00:12.09 | nfk|laptop | can i say as expected my kde life is still SNAFU? |
| 00:12.40 | nfk|laptop | kf5.kservice.sycoca: Still no database... |
| 00:12.42 | nfk|laptop | Could not find module 'kcmsmservere'. See kcmshell5 --list for the full list of modules. |
| 00:12.51 | nfk|laptop | that's after trying to launch it |
| 00:12.59 | rdieter | suggests talking to your distro |
| 00:13.09 | nfk|laptop | and i punted .config/plasma* already |
| 00:13.16 | nfk|laptop | rdieter, guess who sent me here |
| 00:13.30 | nfk|laptop | also isn't kubuntu as supported as it's gonna get? |
| 00:13.30 | rdieter | maybe find a better distro then, sorry |
| 00:13.32 | nfk|laptop | unless you tell me to use opnesuse |
| 00:13.43 | nfk|laptop | at which point i'm looking at used macs |
| 00:14.01 | nfk|laptop | there's no better distro than kubuntu |
| 00:14.04 | rdieter | sometimes it's hard to get right, but kubuntu is usually good (from what I hear) |
| 00:14.06 | nfk|laptop | all of them suck |
| 00:14.19 | nfk|laptop | kubuntu just happens to suck least |
| 00:14.21 | rdieter | clearly there's something wrong with your box/setup |
| 00:14.37 | nfk|laptop | i agree that my setup is a bit unusual |
| 00:15.01 | nfk|laptop | as for box, don't be silly, it's not like nsa rootkit is causing the problems |
| 00:15.42 | nfk|laptop | oh, one missing line from that fail paste |
| 00:15.49 | nfk|laptop | kf5.kservice.sycoca: Trying to open global ksycoca from "/home/me/.local/share/kservices5/ksycoca5 |
| 00:16.09 | nfk|laptop | it also tries .cache before that |
| 00:16.33 | rdieter | maybe verify permission/ownership of those paths |
| 00:16.47 | nfk|laptop | same UID |
| 00:16.52 | nfk|laptop | and GID |
| 00:17.09 | nfk|laptop | if it worked before, there's no reason to think it's broken now |
| 00:17.36 | rdieter | it uses ~/.cache/ksycoca5 on my (fedora 22) box |
| 00:17.44 | rdieter | fwiw |
| 00:18.46 | rdieter | could be corrupted too, delete it? |
| 00:19.00 | nfk|laptop | .config? |
| 00:19.05 | nfk|laptop | err. cache? |
| 00:19.13 | rdieter | either/both |
| 00:19.20 | rdieter | or force it to regenerate: kbuildsycoca5 --noincremental |
| 00:19.38 | nfk|laptop | yeah, i'm commiting the stuff that i would rather keep in .config currently |
| 00:20.27 | nfk|laptop | kbuildsycoca5: ERROR creating database '/home/me/.cache/ksycoca5'! Existing file /home/nfk/.cache/ksycoca5 is not writable |
| 00:20.45 | nfk|laptop | whut the fuck |
| 00:20.46 | nfk|laptop | why root |
| 00:21.24 | nfk|laptop | only ksycoca5 is owned by root |
| 00:21.36 | nfk|laptop | alright, one last try |
| 00:21.47 | Jucato | [08:12] <nfk|laptop> Could not find module 'kcmsmservere'. See kcmshell5 --list for the full list of modules. <--- it helps if typed properly |
| 00:22.00 | rdieter | I did recall mmentioning you verify ownership/permission :) |
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| 00:23.14 | nfk | Jucato, yeah, now that you tell me |
| 00:23.31 | nfk | rdieter, it's that one folder i had never heard about before |
| 00:23.49 | nfk | and note that there were no permission problems until i manually ran kbuildsycoca5 --noincremental |
| 00:24.23 | nfk | i guess running sudo muon or something must have messed something up |
| 00:24.30 | nfk | wait, probably not |
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| 00:27.34 | nfk|laptop | it was permissions |
| 00:27.45 | nfk|laptop | all fine, except for plasma config that i nuked myself |
| 00:27.53 | nfk|laptop | oh well, won't take that long to redo |
| 00:30.33 | nfk|laptop | thanks for trying to help that eventually led to finding the culprit (but not cause) |
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| 00:39.10 | Jucato | next time, you can just rename the files so you can get them back later on if you want to |
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| 01:23.51 | nfk | night and once more thanks for helping |
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| 02:02.05 | valorie | oh my, sudo muon |
| 02:02.14 | valorie | that would def. cause problems |
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| 02:39.26 | James0r | Seeing something in the desktop tweaks module about giving feedback, would like to see this show the desktop toolbox stick around. where would be the place to vote for this? |
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| 03:27.06 | draxdeveloper | Hi, my kde plasma is gone |
| 03:27.30 | draxdeveloper | I can see the pointer and everything else |
| 03:27.50 | draxdeveloper | But all my desktop gone black |
| 03:29.06 | draxdeveloper | Someone said to delete the kde4 folder, but I cant find it |
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| 03:39.15 | valorie | don't ever delete ~/.kde(4) |
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| 03:39.20 | valorie | rename it, at worst |
| 03:39.46 | valorie | sheesh |
| 03:39.59 | valorie | patience, patience |
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| 04:08.19 | draxdeveloper | hello, i live on Brazil and the default widgets for weather don't detect my city... What can i do? the CWP seems a little buggy... |
| 04:11.54 | valorie | draxdeveloper: try a different one, that uses a different dataset? |
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| 04:13.20 | draxdeveloper | well... That is the problem... Wich one... The two defaults have the same data set |
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| 04:13.45 | draxdeveloper | CWP found my city, but i think that it's crashe all plasma |
| 04:14.03 | draxdeveloper | since it's the only one that i had to got into kde.look |
| 04:15.05 | draxdeveloper | My plasma crashed and i had to delete all kde folder |
| 04:16.36 | draxdeveloper | i will try the pyweather and the google now |
| 04:17.23 | draxdeveloper | i think CWP is really buggy, you can even found it searching for more widgets... Just into kde.look |
| 04:18.57 | draxdeveloper | crap, pyweather dont work and google now it's just huge and i can't shrink it... oh well... |
| 04:21.27 | valorie | draxdeveloper: it is never a good idea to delete the ~/.kde folder |
| 04:21.38 | valorie | we even list that in the /topic |
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| 04:21.55 | valorie | moving it is an alternative |
| 04:23.22 | draxdeveloper | i not really delted it |
| 04:23.26 | draxdeveloper | just called kde.old |
| 04:24.42 | draxdeveloper | oh... why i have to accept unusufel data on google now widget |
| 04:25.02 | draxdeveloper | there is a streaming data thing, dont have idea what it is... -_- |
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| 04:26.42 | draxdeveloper | i really like CWP, but i cant have him YY |
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| 04:34.06 | valorie | draxdeveloper: there is a google now widget for the desktop? |
| 04:35.50 | valorie | I like it on my android phone |
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| 04:49.41 | draxdeveloper | just for the weather... |
| 04:50.00 | valorie | ok |
| 04:50.22 | valorie | I'm using plasma 5, and there is not yet an official weather widget |
| 04:50.37 | valorie | I'm not interested in third-party things |
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| 05:47.04 | Jucato | valorie: deja vu on weather plasmoid questions. maybe you should start poking the right people about it? :D |
| 05:48.31 | valorie | one thing at a time |
| 05:48.47 | valorie | I agree with the goals and what they are working on first |
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| 05:49.03 | valorie | someone will get bugged enough to port a good |
| 05:49.06 | valorie | one |
| 05:49.19 | valorie | doesn't have the necessary skill |
| 05:50.47 | Jucato | tbh though, i wouldn't mind 3rd party plasmoids provided they are good. it would take the load off core developers' shoulders having to write one (and then not getting shipped by default anyway because they might be in extragerar or something). just see the beauty and mess that are Android widgets :D |
| 05:51.27 | valorie | yeah |
| 05:51.41 | valorie | well, there are two available, but they don't look very good |
| 05:52.51 | Jucato | yeah no kidding. |
| 05:52.53 | Jucato | i miss yawp |
| 05:53.19 | valorie | what's yawp? |
| 05:53.24 | valorie | I miss luna |
| 05:53.33 | valorie | pastebin most of all, though |
| 05:53.39 | valorie | i have weather on my phone |
| 05:54.07 | Jucato | i just play around with weather stuff. those things aren't really of use to me regularly |
| 05:54.14 | Jucato | Yet Another Weather Plasmoid |
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| 05:54.31 | valorie | ok |
| 05:55.02 | Jucato | those weather things for me are more like proof of concept stuff that says "hey look! plasma can do that thing with weather too!" :D |
| 05:55.10 | valorie | lol |
| 05:55.22 | Jucato | yeah i miss the paste plasmoid. the automatic upload to an image pastebin is particularly useful for me |
| 05:55.42 | valorie | it was just pure laziness on my part - look at the desktop instead of getting up to go look at the outside thermometer |
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| 05:55.54 | valorie | Jucato: amen brother! |
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| 05:57.45 | Jucato | i face the window, so i know if it's raining or not :D |
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| 05:58.20 | valorie | lol |
| 05:58.23 | valorie | me too |
| 05:58.27 | Jucato | weather is actually good if you're traveling, but that presumes you can easily search for a particular city. none of the plasmoids I think let you do that without going into the config etc. |
| 05:58.28 | valorie | right now, dark |
| 05:58.37 | valorie | yeah |
| 05:58.47 | valorie | google now does though |
| 05:58.51 | valorie | reads my mind |
| 05:59.08 | valorie | ooo, I need to start my backups |
| 05:59.16 | Jucato | what are those? |
| 05:59.17 | valorie | so I can take off early tomorrow |
| 05:59.36 | valorie | well, I didn't do them before my last upgrade..... |
| 05:59.40 | valorie | urgh |
| 05:59.50 | valorie | won't do that until I forget the pain |
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| 07:02.56 | lewis1711 | I am trying to figure out a way to have two digital clocks, that display two different timezones. plasma 5. right now, even if a zone different from local is the only one selected, it will still display the local one |
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| 07:03.38 | ParkerA | Hey all, trying to enable auto brackets, supposedly under Configure Kate > Editing > Auto Brackets, except that option doesn't exits. Under "misc" there is only "Copy/Cut entire line if no selection". Any ideas? |
| 07:05.06 | Jucato | ParkerA: enable it in extensions first |
| 07:05.42 | Jucato | (if that's the same feature) |
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| 07:06.24 | ParkerA | Jucato: enable what, exactly? |
| 07:06.35 | Jucato | auto brace |
| 07:07.00 | ParkerA | How? I havent seen extensions anywhere |
| 07:07.43 | Jucato | ParkerA: nothing like http://wstaw.org/m/2015/04/24/kate-autobrace.png ? |
| 07:08.35 | ParkerA | I dont have that option in the sidebar, it stops at open/save. |
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| 07:10.05 | Jucato | strange |
| 07:10.09 | ParkerA | Yeah. |
| 07:10.16 | Jucato | distro? |
| 07:10.19 | ParkerA | Arch |
| 07:10.31 | ParkerA | I have a bad feeling that's a factor somehow. |
| 07:10.44 | Jucato | lewis1711: don't know either, but as a workaround, you can use the mouse scroll wheel over the clock to change displayed timezones |
| 07:11.23 | Jucato | ParkerA: might be a packaging issue. not exactly sure. i'm on fedora and it came with that by default |
| 07:11.47 | lewis1711 | Jucato: two dumb questions - how can I do that with a trackpad? and is this worthy of a bug report? to me it's annoying bug, but who knows |
| 07:12.43 | Jucato | lewis1711: not sure. only if your trackpad can scroll i guess (or if your system interprets scrolling gestures). probablhy worth a bug report |
| 07:13.34 | Jucato | i tried this: had 2 timezones selected, one of which is the desired one to display, switched to that using the scrollwheel. then removed the extra timezone. now it doesn't change even with scroll wheel. dunno if that will stick between reboots |
| 07:13.57 | Jucato | oh and the scrollwheel is an action that is disabled by default. so you'll have to enable that of course |
| 07:14.36 | lewis1711 | tbh I think the whole interface is backwards. I don't see the point of multiple time zones selected when only one is displayed. either only one should be able to be selected, and that should be the display one, or it should display multiple times, instead of different widgets. I might see how difficult writing plasma widgets is and do it myself |
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| 07:18.59 | Verge | There's still the same ages old bug that each notification resets volume to 100 %? |
| 07:19.00 | Verge | pff |
| 07:19.36 | Verge | Why is it that even the sound test on Phonon configuration does that |
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| 07:22.45 | Jucato | has never encouintered that |
| 07:23.45 | Verge | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324975 |
| 07:24.01 | Verge | It's marked as fixed but dunno if there are multiple bugs or regressions |
| 07:24.09 | Verge | I haven't had working notification sounds in ages really |
| 07:24.50 | Verge | All I get is a tiny pop like when static electricity discharges |
| 07:25.05 | Verge | Rather that than 100 % all the time |
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| 07:26.58 | Jucato | phonon-vlc too? (like the last comment) |
| 07:27.23 | Verge | I have Gstreamer actually |
| 07:27.27 | Verge | Nothing else is even installed |
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| 07:28.49 | Jucato | strange. i've never had that problem and have had working notification sounds in ages. all other audio works fine? |
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| 07:29.02 | Shinonome | identify tmobbkhw |
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| 07:30.32 | Verge | Jucato: yea |
| 07:30.50 | Jucato | Shinonome: time to change passwords i guess |
| 07:32.26 | Shinonome | yeah lol |
| 07:32.57 | Shinonome | but wtf ...i was writing in consolle then when it joined here it started writing here instead |
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| 07:37.48 | hateball | Shinonome: time to tweak those kwin rules to prevent focus stealing ;p |
| 07:38.11 | Shinonome | if i knew how :D |
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| 07:38.53 | Shinonome | I'm still kind a noob :D |
| 07:38.57 | Jucato | if you were using konversation, you could just set it to auto identify you |
| 07:39.14 | Shinonome | I'm kvirc |
| 07:39.29 | Shinonome | but for some reason it won't use either |
| 07:39.40 | Shinonome | and with sasl it gives me an error |
| 07:40.09 | Shinonome | maybe I'm writing it wrong or what |
| 07:40.51 | Shinonome | i followed a guide for kvirc to use sasl and still gives me an error and won't identify correctly |
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| 07:41.23 | Shinonome | weird thing is ..in rizon it works ...but not here |
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| 07:41.35 | Shinonome | in freenode i mean |
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| 08:21.24 | lordievader | Good morning. |
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| 08:44.20 | Safa_[A_boy] | Hello. Where do Baloo save the indexed files? |
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| 08:45.22 | Safa_[A_boy] | And how can I make it index a specifc folder? |
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| 09:03.23 | fps | hi, i just tried kde on ubuntu 15.05 for the first time. the panel seems to have crashed when i tried dragging a konsole launcher onto it |
| 09:03.25 | leszek | Safa_[A_boy]: ~/.local/share/baloo/file |
| 09:03.26 | fps | how can i logout now? |
| 09:03.27 | fps | ;) |
| 09:03.44 | fps | or how can i restart the panel? |
| 09:03.58 | leszek | fps: is alt+f2 working still ? You can restart plasmashell there |
| 09:04.00 | Safa_[A_boy] | fps: KRunner? |
| 09:04.05 | fps | leszek: ok, will try that |
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| 09:04.24 | fps | leszek: that worked. thanks.. |
| 09:04.28 | fps | will try to remember it |
| 09:04.34 | fps | let's now try again to add the launcher :) |
| 09:04.37 | leszek | Safa_[A_boy]: in systemsettings you can specify the folders that you want to index for the desktop search |
| 09:05.07 | leszek | fps: if it is reproducible take a look at bugs.kde.org if this error is reported already or not. If not please report |
| 09:05.17 | fps | ok, it went into spasms again while dragging it over the desktop switcher, but did not crash this time.. |
| 09:05.20 | fps | leszek: sure.. |
| 09:05.20 | Safa_[A_boy] | That folder size is almost 4.1 KB.. |
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| 09:05.53 | leszek | Safa_[A_boy]: strange. Mine has a few hundred MBs |
| 09:06.31 | Safa_[A_boy] | And how can I read that databases? |
| 09:06.45 | Safa_[A_boy] | Only one file is sqlite and others are binary |
| 09:07.01 | leszek | I think its an sqlite3 db |
| 09:08.04 | Safa_[A_boy] | I just can stop it from indexingspecific folders |
| 09:08.12 | Safa_[A_boy] | *specific folders |
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| 10:19.32 | Ormod_ | Anyone seen on kde plasma 5.2 (frameworks 5.9, this is fc22) that you can't log in to a KDE session since the progress bar just hangs. |
| 10:20.10 | Ormod_ | I've once managed to actually log in to a plasma session but then everything was so choppy that when moving a mouse it took n seconds for it to move at all, and no apps could be started |
| 10:20.24 | Ormod_ | cpu usage was very low at this point though |
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| 10:23.44 | leszek | Ormod_: I think you can hide the ksplash with a click or pressing escape. Is the mouse choppy and slowly moving even on ksplash ? |
| 10:23.57 | Ormod_ | leszek: yes, on the one time I actually got it to log in. |
| 10:24.16 | leszek | hmm... the mouse should be there even before login on the splash |
| 10:24.29 | Ormod_ | Logging in through ssh to the same box showed that cpu usage was very low but basically nothing was working. |
| 10:24.30 | leszek | I am not sure whats wrong there |
| 10:25.03 | leszek | maybe your graphicsdriver doesn't like kwin. Did you try turning effects off with ctrl+shift+f12 ? |
| 10:25.14 | Ormod_ | Yeah I think I'll file a bug. On all my other machines it's working just fine. Just doesn't seem to like my mac mini. |
| 10:25.15 | leszek | something you might want to try on the next succesful login |
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| 10:34.22 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
| 10:36.20 | Ormod_ | Filed: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346549 about it. |
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| 10:41.17 | arminius | startkde: Starting up... |
| 10:41.19 | arminius | m( |
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| 11:15.38 | Hydrar | Has something drastically improved with Qt5 in terms of performance? I find it odd how snappy Qt-creator feels when built towards Qt5, compared to my KDE4 desktop applications :X |
| 11:15.57 | Hydrar | Or it could be that it isn't using the oxygen theme, not sure |
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| 11:26.21 | bjoern___ | hi folks - where is the value for the highlight-footprint of desktop icons stored? got some weird big ones like: http://imagebin.ca/v/1zQbvM7zDyy3 |
| 11:27.02 | bjoern___ | (actually kde on osu 13.2-64) |
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| 11:34.14 | leszek | bjoern___: I guess it is binded to the icon size you set for the desktop. But I am not sure. The highlight itself is part of the plasma theme you use and should be an svg or svgz in it |
| 11:37.35 | bjoern___ | hmm, some icos behave normal and some have monstrous highlight-footprints... weird.. do these svg-icos hold weird boundary values or is it stored somewhere else? |
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| 11:39.06 | bjoern___ | ...or are these scaling errors when using UHD..? |
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| 11:41.55 | bjoern___ | (my desktop icos all are scaled not default size - would be too small to see otherwise..:) |
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| 11:46.26 | RyukoReiakuma | I'm using kde 4.14.2 under mint, and i was wondering if it was possible to have 2 windows share focus. |
| 11:46.43 | bjoern___ | f.ex. this outline is ok.. http://imagebin.ca/v/1zQkj74RXY0j |
| 11:50.37 | rdieter | RyukoReiakuma: I've my doubts something like that would be possible, why do you ask? |
| 11:51.34 | rdieter | (knowing the 'why', perhaps we can come to a different/better solution) |
| 11:52.18 | RyukoReiakuma | rdieter, i'm using a program that allows you to popout sections of it into a new window so i can use it over 2 monitors |
| 11:52.36 | rdieter | and? |
| 11:53.10 | rdieter | why do you think you want multiple windows to have focus? (ie, where should input go?) |
| 11:54.55 | RyukoReiakuma | rdieter, but i cant change things without having to click on each window. and keyboard input normally isnt a problem since where the mouse is tells which section gets the input. |
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| 11:55.32 | rdieter | no suggestions then, I think that may be the price you pay for using multiple (popout) windows |
| 11:56.11 | rdieter | you should still be able to click buttons in inactive windows |
| 11:56.16 | bjoern___ | ...my 2cents, would break the concept of a 'focus' anyways :) |
| 11:56.43 | rdieter | RyukoReiakuma: on possiblity, in this usecase, maybe use focus-follows-mouse |
| 11:56.56 | bjoern___ | ...or is it a prob of modal windows? |
| 11:56.57 | rdieter | then focus will change automatically |
| 11:57.12 | RyukoReiakuma | yea, there was a option under window settings there's a multiscreen behavior option but i have no idea what it does. |
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| 11:58.00 | RyukoReiakuma | rdieter, yea i'm tryin that now but i have a issue with that, but i think it jsut takes getting used to. |
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| 11:59.13 | RyukoReiakuma | bjoern___, yea it's basically modl windows, it's the same program. and it updates as if it's one window. kindof like gimps 2.6 mode |
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| 12:36.59 | RyukoReiakuma | probably cant be done, but is it possible for a kwin script to make 2 windows be viewed as one? if not, is it possible to have 'focus follows mouse' be active only when window A or B is in focus?? |
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| 12:42.11 | mgraesslin | RyukoReiakuma: first is clearly no, second can be done |
| 12:46.33 | RyukoReiakuma | mgraesslin, ok, thanks. do you know when i can start looking to figure out how?? if not, that's fine, as google is my friend. |
| 12:47.19 | mgraesslin | RyukoReiakuma: the options object is exposed to the scripting API and all options are read/write properties |
| 12:48.05 | yossarianuk | hi when will the weather applet be available for Plasma 5.x ? |
| 12:49.31 | mgraesslin | yossarianuk: AFAIK nobody has started porting it yet |
| 12:49.46 | RyukoReiakuma | mgraesslin, so essentially i jsut need to figure out the the option i want to change is called, and find an example of someone changing some other option and go from there? (not a coder at all but has common sense) |
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| 12:52.27 | mgraesslin | RyukoReiakuma: yeah, that sounds like the proper approach |
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| 13:00.43 | yossarianuk | mgraesslin: cheers - its the only thing I miss from KDE4 - Plasma5.x seems easily like the nicest DE (for any OS) |
| 13:01.02 | mgraesslin | yossarianuk: thanks and yeah, I miss it as well |
| 13:01.19 | yossarianuk | mgraesslin: just realised you are the kwin maintainer ? Thank you for your stella work sir ! |
| 13:01.27 | mgraesslin | thanks |
| 13:01.48 | yossarianuk | plasma5 does seem that bit faster than kde 4... |
| 13:02.08 | mgraesslin | we have heard that often and are glad about it ;-) |
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| 13:12.01 | Psi|4ward | is there no dolphin for plasma yet? |
| 13:12.59 | tosky | Psi|4ward: not sure I get the question; dolphin does not depend on plasma (and the other way round) |
| 13:13.25 | BluesKaj | Psi|4ward, still on plsama 4 i |
| 13:13.53 | BluesKaj | tosky, afraid it does |
| 13:13.57 | Psi|4ward | okay so i install kde4-libs and dolphin in the "old" way |
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| 13:14.11 | tosky | BluesKaj: like? |
| 13:14.49 | tosky | Psi|4ward: even when it will be ported, you will install dolphin and it will install the required library (if you use the packaged version from you distribution) |
| 13:15.08 | BluesKaj | check out help in dolphin "Using KDE Development Platform 4.14.6" |
| 13:16.07 | Psi|4ward | tosky: yea but with this i get akonadi and kdebase-* and so on |
| 13:16.12 | Psi|4ward | 400MB install-size |
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| 13:17.18 | tosky | Psi|4ward: uhm, dolphin shouldn't depend on akonadi; can you please paste the output from the install command? |
| 13:17.41 | Melanosuchus | Hello, does anyone know how I can fine-tune the time format? On "Regional Settings > Formats" I get a huge list of regional formats but I cannot specify my own. |
| 13:18.46 | Psi|4ward | tosky: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10878533/ |
| 13:19.22 | Psi|4ward | http://paste.ubuntu.com/10878548/ |
| 13:19.24 | Psi|4ward | more readable |
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| 13:19.49 | Jucato | ultimately it depends on a distro's packaging |
| 13:21.58 | BluesKaj | Psi|4ward, depends on your distro but I'm able to disable akonadi in ~/.config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc,. change 'start server=true' to false |
| 13:22.31 | Psi|4ward | but installing so much stuff seems oversized |
| 13:23.03 | tosky | Melanosuchus: the settings now depends on system variables; see http://vizzzion.org/blog/2014/05/locale-changes-in-plasma-next/ |
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| 13:24.15 | tosky | Psi|4ward: I'm not sure now why also kdepimlibs is installed there (that's the one which brings akonadi in) |
| 13:25.47 | Jucato | tosky: thanks for that link! |
| 13:25.57 | Jucato | will have to try it out soon |
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| 13:34.40 | Melanosuchus | tosky: so it isn't possible to have a custom format without having to mess with system locale right?Also, the examples in the system settings dialog don't reflect how the digital clock displays it |
| 13:35.35 | tosky | Melanosuchus: that was the initial version afaik; and no, the idea is to use the system locale settings (which change by user) |
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| 13:44.32 | RyukoReiakuma | does anyone here have kwin scripting experience and doesn't mind giving me a little help?? |
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| 13:48.43 | Melanosuchus | hum, so does anyone know if there's a locale which uses a 24 hours format in English? |
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| 13:52.57 | SysGh0st | Are you trying to set variables in locale.conf? |
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| 13:54.31 | SysGh0st | This is what my locale.conf looks like, where I use en_GB as system language, while using other settings from sv_SE: http://sprunge.us/NOHC |
| 13:55.02 | SysGh0st | ...and I have 24h format on the output from "date" |
| 13:55.15 | RyukoReiakuma | Melanosuchus, i'm probably misunderstanding what your asking, but if your wanting a 24 clock, you can go to locale, date & time, time format: and change it to (HH:MM:SS) no am or pm. |
| 13:55.26 | SysGh0st | ...as well as in graphical environments such as KDE, xfce... |
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| 13:56.40 | Melanosuchus | RyukoReiakuma: The new system settings doesn't allow that degree of freedom |
| 14:00.08 | Melanosuchus | huh looks like LC_* env variables don't have the same values as shown by the system settings |
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| 14:02.16 | yossarianuk | Martin great news about wayland progress ! http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2015/04/turning-the-world-upside-down/ |
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| 14:02.40 | Psi|4ward | tosky: i used the AUR dolphin-git, works perfect |
| 14:04.52 | tosky | Psi|4ward: that's likely based on Frameworks 5 |
| 14:05.24 | Psi|4ward | yea hopfully its stable enought, i had some crashes |
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| 14:13.20 | SysGh0st | With KDE plasma 5, kwin crashes every time I try to Alt+Tab to another program. |
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| 14:13.36 | SysGh0st | Is there anything I can do to help the situation? |
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| 14:19.32 | otjura | what distro? |
| 14:21.02 | rdieter_work | SysGh0st: install debug symbols and try to get a backtrace (though most of the time, it means there's a video driver problem) |
| 14:22.07 | yossarianuk | sysGh0st: you could always try changing the renderer -i.e opengl 2.x -> opengl 3.x or Xrenderer and see if that makes any difference. |
| 14:22.35 | SysGh0st | Arch Linux. I'll see what I can do about those debug symbols. |
| 14:22.53 | SysGh0st | I tried going from opengl 2.x to 3.x. It got even worse. |
| 14:23.06 | SysGh0st | Xrender seem stable though. |
| 14:24.18 | SysGh0st | GPU: nVidia GT8600M, (Laptop) using nVidias closed drivers 340.76-7 |
| 14:24.44 | SysGh0st | I'll try nouveau as well. |
| 14:25.29 | SysGh0st | Strange is that the only crash I have, is when Alt-tabbing. Otherwise everything is stable. |
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| 14:33.27 | SysGh0st | It seems to be a driver related problem. With nouveau everything works as intended. |
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| 14:34.42 | SysGh0st | Too bad those drivers doesn't match up with nVidias seen to performance. Now I have to choose: Unstable desktop and better gaming performance, or ... Stable desktop, but poor gaming performance. |
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| 14:38.31 | Psi|4ward | Anyone could give me a hint how to debug nm-applet? When i try to add a umts connection the window disapears |
| 14:41.07 | Psi|4ward | ahh had to install mobile-broadband-provider-info package! |
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| 14:56.59 | RyukoReiakuma | how can you change a option with a kwin script? |
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| 15:04.02 | yossarianuk | SysGh0st: IMO you would be a fool to spend good money on a GPU card then reduce its potential speed (by up to 80%) by running the nouveau driver |
| 15:04.23 | yossarianuk | Also lots of new games require OpenGL4.x now. |
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| 15:06.37 | Melanosuchus | eh, setting the time format to a locale which isn't in English ends up using localized names for date-related stuff |
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| 15:15.36 | tosky | Melanosuchus: maybe there are some en_<something> which use a different format |
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| 15:18.09 | Melanosuchus | it's quite hard to test them, the only way to find out how a locale looks is set it and log out O_o maybe the examples should be a bit more exhaustive |
| 15:18.23 | SysGh0st | General tip to those who use nVidia proprietary drivers and KDE plasma 5: enable triple buffering. Otherwise KDE might get unstable. Once enabled. Everything is not only smoother, but also A LOT more stable. |
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| 15:19.47 | SysGh0st | All my kwin crashes, QT applications segfaults otrher strange behaviour, freezes and "hickups" vanished nce the triple buffering was enabled. |
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| 15:21.34 | kidx | Hello how do i disable bouncy Icons on JDE 5.2? |
| 15:21.43 | kidx | KDE 5.2 sorry |
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| 15:24.50 | Melanosuchus | kidx: try System Settings > Applications > Launch Feedback |
| 15:26.57 | kidx | can i make the kde menu apear faster? |
| 15:27.10 | kidx | i see teh bouncy icon options |
| 15:27.41 | kidx | I love KDE |
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| 15:29.47 | Melanosuchus | Speaking of menus, the Application Menu doesn't show category icons |
| 15:31.23 | rdieter_work | Melanosuchus: it does for me, did you happen to change icon or plasma theme (from defaults)? |
| 15:32.24 | kidx | any one know how to make menu faster? |
| 15:32.39 | kidx | used to be in the desktop effects |
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| 15:32.48 | kidx | not there anymore? |
| 15:33.17 | Melanosuchus | I did change the icon theme but while the Application Launcher shows the icons correctly, the Application Menu does not |
| 15:33.37 | Melanosuchus | rdieter_work: ^ |
| 15:33.40 | rdieter_work | kidx: it's moved, systemsettings5->display&monitor->compositor |
| 15:34.00 | rdieter_work | Melanosuchus: oh, what "application menu"? |
| 15:34.12 | rdieter_work | thought you meant the launcher |
| 15:34.17 | Melanosuchus | the plasma widget |
| 15:34.34 | Melanosuchus | it's basically the same as the launcher |
| 15:34.51 | rdieter_work | ah, classic launcher, I think that's a feature |
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| 15:35.10 | rdieter_work | I see no icons there either |
| 15:35.26 | kidx | what backend method is fastet |
| 15:35.31 | Melanosuchus | sub-item icons are present though |
| 15:35.32 | kidx | what you guys think |
| 15:35.34 | rdieter_work | kidx: depends on your video driver |
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| 15:35.50 | kidx | AMD |
| 15:35.53 | kidx | HD5770 |
| 15:36.06 | rdieter_work | kidx: play with "animiation speed" |
| 15:36.12 | kidx | i am trying to speed up things |
| 15:36.21 | kidx | yea i got is set right |
| 15:36.38 | kidx | just looking for a back end any reconmendations? |
| 15:36.49 | rdieter_work | kidx: stick with defaults, imo |
| 15:37.32 | tosky | SysGh0st: I'd suggest to write it (nvidia settings from testing) down on something less volatile than IRC |
| 15:37.36 | kidx | hell yeah |
| 15:37.45 | kidx | i think disabling the compositor is better |
| 15:37.53 | kidx | woot |
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| 15:38.02 | kidx | thanks guys for an amazing peice of software |
| 15:38.10 | kidx | amazing amzing amazing |
| 15:39.05 | kidx | wow |
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| 15:39.18 | kidx | i like how windows popup fast and no animations |
| 15:39.24 | SysGh0st | tosky: I thought of the forums, but since it wouldn't generate any real discussion, the thread value is low, and might get deleted. |
| 15:39.34 | kidx | animations ruin stuff |
| 15:40.01 | kidx | ok back to my brocast and time to get the show on the road thanks guys for everything |
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| 15:40.09 | tosky | SysGh0st: well, you can ask if it's just you (and your card model) or if happens for others |
| 15:40.45 | SysGh0st | tosky: that is smart. Giving a tip in form of a question. Why not. |
| 15:41.08 | tosky | SysGh0st: it's a question anyway; if it's working for you, it could be because of a combination of card and/or drivers |
| 15:41.21 | tosky | so it's a good think to confirm the advice |
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| 16:00.15 | hacosta | hi, im having trouble starting kde.. i get the following error if i try to start it via startx https://gist.github.com/0bc1e4ce3006d7fad388 |
| 16:01.22 | StatelessCat | hey |
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| 16:02.01 | Melanosuchus | Is it me or the tabs in Kate look different than tabs in other applications? |
| 16:02.45 | hacosta | Melanosuchus: probably because kate has been ported to kf5 while other apps such as dolphin haven't? |
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| 16:03.28 | StatelessCat | hacosta: how did you installed kde on your arch? |
| 16:04.32 | hacosta | StatelessCat: pacman -S plasma-desktop kf5 |
| 16:04.47 | hacosta | StatelessCat: it' s been a while, an i'm using kde-unstable |
| 16:04.47 | Melanosuchus | tabs in the kate config dialog look normal |
| 16:05.06 | StatelessCat | when i click on a link on Konsole, if i have already an instance of Firefox running on another desktop, i want KDE opens a new firefox on the actual desktop. Actually KDE opens a new tabs on an existing firefox on another desktop, it's annoying. Any idea to fox this ? |
| 16:05.08 | StatelessCat | fix* |
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| 16:05.35 | StatelessCat | hacosta: maybe it's Arch related more than KDE ? |
| 16:05.41 | StatelessCat | hacosta: try #archlinux too |
| 16:05.55 | hacosta | StatelessCat: possibly, i'll ask around |
| 16:06.18 | hacosta | StatelessCat: you can try setting your browser to firefox --new-window? |
| 16:07.57 | StatelessCat | hacosta: nice workaround |
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| 16:15.28 | hacosta | if it helps, i think i narrowed it down, startkde works fine if i disconnect my external monitor |
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| 16:19.15 | yossarianuk | SysGh0st: how do you enable tripple buffering@ |
| 16:19.18 | yossarianuk | ? |
| 16:19.25 | yossarianuk | I thought it was enabled bt default now... |
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| 16:22.03 | SysGh0st | yossarianuk: By adding Option "TripleBuffer" "1" in some xorg.conf.d file, under the "Device" section. |
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| 16:22.21 | yossarianuk | thanks ! |
| 16:22.37 | yossarianuk | why is it not enabled by default I wonder.. |
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| 16:23.56 | SysGh0st | yossarianuk: Could be that it is default on some newer GPUs I got a rather old one, thus using an older driver. nVidia stopped supporting a whole bunch of GPU a while back, and we're stuck with version 340.76-1 |
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| 16:27.47 | SysGh0st | How I come to find out, was when I ran kwin_x11 in a console to see why it crashed on me, I saw that it complaied about not having triple buffering enabled. So I went in and enabled it. Restarted X, and *bam*. Everything got smooth, stable and fun to use again. (GPU: nVidia GT8600M ) |
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| 16:35.43 | kaan_ | kde compositor seems to running at 50hz for some reason, I noticed this with the fps display effect and stuttering in games. Games become smooth after I disable compositing. This is on plasma 5 with nvidia drivers. Any ideas? |
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| 16:51.05 | Melanosuchus | oh, does setting the format locale on systemsettings overwrite .bash_profile? |
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| 17:09.25 | coderus_ | hello! can anyone give info why marble maps was removed from KDE5 desktop widget? i used map live sunlight map with clouds on my desktop with 14.10 and its not available anymore in 15.04 |
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| 17:12.47 | rdieter_work | coderus_: "removed" is probably inaccurate. Not yet ported to plasma5 is probably closer to the truth |
| 17:13.13 | rdieter_work | (hint: all plasma4 applets require rewrite/porting to support plasma5) |
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| 17:15.07 | StatelessCat | hey |
| 17:15.33 | StatelessCat | when kmail goes crazy, and when we cannot see anymore our email, what is the safe way to restart it ? |
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| 17:18.36 | coderus_ | rdieter_work: upgrade to 15.04 they said, KDE5 is cool they said. Fly you fools someone whispered... |
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| 17:19.15 | rdieter_work | coderus_: sorry if you had expectations that every plasma4 applet/widget that existed has been ported. |
| 17:19.56 | rdieter_work | *many* have, but certainly not all |
| 17:20.07 | coderus_ | yeah, and it seems unstable for me. can it be problems after ugrading and fresh installation solve it, or not |
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| 17:23.20 | coderus_ | sometimes plasma freezing and only ctrl+alt+backspace working |
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| 17:25.52 | coderus_ | so can someone tell me if i do fresh installation it will work better or it doesn't matter? |
| 17:29.04 | rdieter_work | coderus_: can't hurt, fresh installs usually have less complications |
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| 17:42.39 | coderus_ | rdieter_work: okay thanks, will do it tonight :) |
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| 18:13.40 | martin-u | I upgraded to the latest Kubuntu where they use KF5. Now all my personal settings are back to the default. How do I migrate them? |
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| 19:09.06 | draxdeveloper | hello, i have a bin file, is there a way to put it as a fav in launcher |
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| 19:18.57 | Verge | So apparently Kwin doesn't recognize Steam's login window |
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| 19:40.44 | mark4 | in kde4 how do i stop a shaded window from unshading simply because i moused over the titlebar? |
| 19:41.01 | mark4 | i dont want any "i know better than you do so im going to do what i know you want me to do" features |
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| 19:47.36 | jacwib | My sound doesnt work. I got gstreamer as backend and my sound card (its working when i press the test button) set at the top for everything. What do? |
| 19:52.58 | jacwib | Okay, now it randomly works in the system settings, but not in firefox. |
| 19:53.07 | jacwib | (And yes i tried restarting ff) |
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| 19:58.16 | personal | Hi all. I'm trying to figure out whats going on with kbuntu 14.04 lts x 64 , jovie . I don;t know what to do for it to see festival |
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| 20:03.02 | personal | Is anybody on here ? |
| 20:03.08 | jacwib | doesnt seem like o |
| 20:03.10 | jacwib | *so |
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| 20:04.50 | StatelessCat | I have an issue with Kmail, I got "Please wait while the message is transfered" . If I relaunch kmail it's the same... What can i do ? |
| 20:06.19 | personal | <StatelessCat> Any more clue's ? |
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| 20:07.39 | personal | <StatelessCat> Try running it in a terminal and might be some clue's on the commandline |
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| 20:10.09 | personal | What are you upto <jaafar> |
| 20:11.11 | personal | I mean <jacwib> |
| 20:12.52 | personal | Are there really 442 users on here ? , what are they doing ? |
| 20:14.19 | saptech | could be sleep |
| 20:14.57 | personal | So much for earth hour |
| 20:18.16 | mark4 | so can anyone tell me how to prevent a shaded window from unsahding simply because i moused over the title bar? |
| 20:18.32 | personal | Any way , mr stephan hawkings , need text to speech , naybody know how he can talk and people understand what his saying |
| 20:19.49 | personal | <mark4> are you using kde5 |
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| 20:25.17 | personal | Do you know the problem with jovie , google thinks it means Bon Jovie. The very famous singe .r |
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| 20:35.06 | mark4 | personal, no kde4 |
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| 20:54.28 | StatelessCat | personal: i have remove my accound, i suppose i have too many email |
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| 21:26.21 | nfk|laptop | what's the state of color management with plasma2? is oyranos still the way to go or that joke colord? |
| 21:26.34 | nfk|laptop | kubuntu used to ship with the later but now has neither out of the box, it seems |
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| 22:35.43 | AndyMan1 | Is the text-filter plugin for Kate gone, or am I just missing it somewhere? |
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| 22:46.14 | darthanubis | http://picpaste.com/snapshot6-HnYUdtkt.png |
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| 22:47.02 | darthanubis | Is there anyone here knowledgable enough in kde to tell me why this notification keep being triggered whether the package is installed or not? |
| 22:47.24 | darthanubis | Or maybe what packages related could be causing this bogus notification? |
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| 22:47.53 | darthanubis | Or maybe reset the daemon, so that it forgets about this package |
| 22:48.04 | darthanubis | thx |
| 22:55.20 | Jucato | darthanubis: nothing in KDE uses anything from Microsoft. i'm presuming your distrol (Kubuntu?) tried to pull that in, but it seems you need to accept a license agreement: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2252750 |
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| 22:57.28 | tosky | I think that's the update daemon which uses kded to be executed, but the content (the software, the dependencies, etc) comes from the distributions |
| 22:57.47 | darthanubis | I accept, and the package installs flawlessly. The issue is the notification from the kde daemon, never disappears. Whether the package is successfully installed, or completely purged. Something is telling the daemon to still throw the notification. I'm trying to get at the root of what. |
| 22:58.06 | darthanubis | tosky: I think you are right |
| 22:58.59 | darthanubis | just trying to drill it down to what. I asked here because maybe I can find the kde package responsible for throwing the notice. Not much help so far in #kubuntu |
| 23:00.26 | Hydrar | darthanubis: Isn't that the packagekit frontend doing it? I'm no ubuntu user, but won't apt-get --reinstall install ttf-mscorefonts-installer fix it? |
| 23:00.56 | Hydrar | It'd be that, or dpkg-reconfigure ttf-mscorefonts-installer , if it was happening for me on debian |
| 23:01.20 | darthanubis | Not sure, but I thought totally purging the package would fix it up even better. Currently, the package is not even installed. |
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| 23:01.21 | tosky | or just kill that package :) |
| 23:01.46 | tosky | what if you try to use apt-get from the commandline? |
| 23:02.21 | darthanubis | it pulls the package down, unpacks and installs it no errors like it's been doing for almost ten years |
| 23:02.29 | Hydrar | Could work, the packagekit frontend might not be handling the dialog asking for license acceptance so it picks no as default answer |
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| 23:03.01 | Hydrar | But I have no idea, clean cache with apt-get clean? Not sure how apt handles external downloads tbh :/ |
| 23:03.17 | darthanubis | Hydrar: sounds about right. Because I only get the agreement notice if I install the package from cmdline |
| 23:03.49 | darthanubis | If I install from synaptic (I don't like or use muon) it installs the package with not agreement notice.... |
| 23:04.26 | Hydrar | Odd, sounds like a pretty severe glitch if it's ignoring the debconf request :X |
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| 23:08.41 | darthanubis | I cleaned apts cache and just ran apt-get --reinstall install ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 23:08.51 | darthanubis | This time I go two notices to accept |
| 23:09.01 | darthanubis | I accepted them both |
| 23:09.14 | darthanubis | All done, no errors. |
| 23:09.35 | darthanubis | I will relogin to see if the daemon complains again |
| 23:10.20 | AndyMan1 | One more question about the taskbar icon for telepathy/Instant Messaging. Is clicking on it supposed to pop up a giant useless icon like in this screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/bPaliGO.png |
| 23:12.11 | darthanubis | AndyMan1: yup |
| 23:14.57 | AndyMan1 | Well that's delightful :p |
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| 23:54.44 | AndyMan1 | For a lot of desktop widgets, I'm just getting an icon added to the screen instead of the actual widget, and I have to click on it to see it. Calendar example: http://i.imgur.com/vNo4UJ8.png?1 Is there a way to just show the calendar itself (or the calculator or whatever) directly on the desktop without having to click? |
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