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00:27.48ozjdMahe: why not Fedora
00:31.18Maheozjd: Fedora has no LTS and uses rpm package system (this means no easy usage of PPAs)
00:32.50ozjdMahe: agree on the LTS, if that is important to you, but has Copr which do the same as PPAs
00:33.57MaheI'm looking from a casual user pov, most guides and fixes you will find on the net are based on *buntu and PPAs
00:34.42ozjdyeah shame about that :)
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03:11.23SeyleriusYakuake behaves oddly on my two screens. I've got it set to open on the same screen the mouse is on, but on the taller screen it opens midway down the screen—the height of the short screen.
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04:41.54MtIbtiexHI
04:42.09MtIbtiexi want to add one thing to my kde. when i click on START menu, i get different app categories, i like that, but i would also have few most common used app also on that list immediately, not only in category, but just when i open START menu, i want some apps and that categories. how to add app shortcuts to that START menu?   i use openbox if that matters
04:42.17MtIbtiexshould i switch to something other than openbox?
04:42.53MtIbtiexi want drag'n'drop of shortcuts in start menu just like on WINDOWS
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04:52.22mvadon't feed it, please
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04:55.20waltercoolMtIbtiex: On the K button, right click, switch to classic menu, I think that's what you mean
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04:57.14MtIbtiex_i use lxde
04:57.43waltercoolI through you said kde
04:58.36MtIbtiex_well i might but was mistake
04:58.42MtIbtiex_i have lxde
04:58.50waltercoolso no idea dude
04:58.50MtIbtiex_need to add apps to start menu
05:00.08mvawaltercool: don't feed it :-/
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05:02.28MtIbtiex_mva WHAT
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05:09.02octocppis it baloo that makes my run box searches possible?
05:09.46octocppI am considering disabling it, but if it helps with that i might keep it
05:12.04waltercooloctocpp: Baloo is cool, but is not so nice with regular hard disks sometimes
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05:12.59ChiitooSeems like something that should be rather easy to test in practice.  Maybe?  Just disable it and see if you have what you speak of, still?  (I never tried it so I have no idea, hehe!)
05:13.18waltercooloctocpp: You can enjoy the best of baloo if also you use KDE PIM
05:13.47octocppi have to up my liimit, I am filling my journal with "KDE Baloo Filewatch service reached the inotify folder watch limit. File changes may be ignored."
05:14.26octocppif i up it to 10000, will that be enough, or will i eventually have to up it more. and does that mean it will work more and waiste battery ?
05:15.12octocppor is there another cause for that which i should try to fix?
05:16.16waltercoolNot sure, but this is not a normal behavior, the only problem with Baloo is the file crawler locking sometime your I/O
05:16.26waltercoolbut not a inotify spam
05:16.31waltercoolan*
05:16.53octocppseems to be a common problem in arch. They have it in the wiki
05:17.22octocppmy   /proc/sys/fs/inotify/max_user_watches  was lik 8962 or something like that
05:17.40octocppand they recommend uping it to 10000
05:18.47waltercoolOh, weird, I never had this problem before
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05:19.35waltercooland I just have the same as you 8192
05:21.10octocppyea that is what i had
05:21.33octocppcould it have something to do with the number of files i have that it had to index i wonder?
05:21.38octocppI have a ton of files?
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05:22.39waltercooljust remove some porn :-)
05:22.41octocppI up-ed it to 10000. I guess i see if that holds up for awhile
05:22.45octocpplol
05:22.52octocppno porn here lol
05:23.12octocppI do have a crap tone of stuff though
05:23.26waltercoolMaybe is just filling the database
05:23.33octocpptwo 750 gig drives pretty filled up lol
05:23.55octocppmax user watches.
05:24.03waltercoolagain?
05:24.09octocppdoes that mean max files that can be watched at one time?
05:24.31octocppoops
05:24.40octocppcrap
05:24.42waltercoolinotify just reports to the kernel the current status of a file
05:24.49octocpp"/proc/sys/fs/inotify/max_user_watches
05:24.52octocppthere we go
05:25.12waltercoolwhat's wrong? your max_user_watches = 1?
05:25.28octocppno 8192
05:26.16octocppthat is what i am wondering, the files are registered as able to push an updated notification somehow, and the more you do that with the more resources it requires?
05:26.40waltercoolwell, the docuentation on Arch is pretty straight forward, but is not normal issue
05:26.55waltercoolnot really sure why is listening too many files
05:27.17octocpphmm
05:27.57octocppyea, i was trying to understand sort of what it was doing to see why It was having that issue so maybe i can resolve that rather than uping the number to 10000
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05:28.54octocpphere are some guys kicking it up to 16384
05:28.56octocpphttp://www.monodevelop.com/documentation/inotify-watches-limit/
05:29.10octocppi guess i can google a bit and see what normally causes it.
05:29.14waltercoolI'm not so brave to enter into a mono website :P
05:29.27octocppsomething I installed and it is running no doubt
05:29.42octocppwhy? they are hacked alot?
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05:29.54waltercoolnope, Icaza just pissed me off :)
05:31.02octocppyea, its not much, just mentioning that monodvel uses inotify to watch a lot of files
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05:32.02waltercoolHahah I was just joking, they are not evil (not totally)
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05:32.26waltercoolbut I don't think is a normal behavior to have too many inotify watches
05:32.36waltercoolwhat version of baloo are you using currently?
05:32.45octocppwow, these guys are doing sudo sysctl fs.inotify.max_user_watches=524288   lol
05:32.51octocppthat is a loooooooooot
05:33.25octocpplet me see
05:34.01octocpp4.14.3-1
05:34.18waltercoolsame as me... hmmm
05:34.25octocppoh, it seems the limit is for that idividual program too.
05:35.49octocppseems 8192 is a generic number many people are using and it is not significant to see it get increased
05:36.34SeyleriusFscking weird. Yakuake opens midway up screen2, and at the top of screen1. The point midway up screen2 is the height of the top of screen1, since screen2 is taller.
05:36.39waltercoolyeah, is the normal
05:36.40SeyleriusCan't figure out why.
05:36.57waltercooloctocpp: I can remember a tool to "better configure" that
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05:39.10octocppsomething that watches the watches? lol
05:39.34waltercoolhahaha no, something to "better control" baloo, but I can't find it
05:41.43waltercoolmy bad, seems like this GUI was only for akonadi
05:45.45waltercoolhmm no clue dude, sorry =/ Maybe you can raise it, leave the computer on standby the night and lower again the inotify max limit
05:46.17waltercooleven the OSX file crawler will be PITA the first launches
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07:59.57drawkwardare newbies allowed to attend KDE Akademy?
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08:04.30sailorealWhat
08:04.44sailorealWhat's the download link to Linux Mint KDE LTS?*
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08:05.59baizonsailoreal: why mint? use kubuntu?
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08:07.07baizonsailoreal: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+mint+kde
08:08.31sailorealWhy Kubuntu ?
08:08.53baizonlinux mint kde is kubuntu + mint stuff
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08:16.55sailorealbaizon: Why would you recommend Kubuntu, then?
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09:22.58lordievaderGood morning.
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10:59.34BluesKajHowdy all
11:00.38MaheHey BluesKaj!
11:01.08BluesKajhey Mahe
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11:10.24soonBeen running kde (linux mint) for an age -- bought the new ubuntu phone -- thought I'd try the ubuntu desktop on my PC -- don't like it! -- time to go back ... considering plasma ... is it ready for daily use?
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11:43.29captainfantasticI'm using default kde theme and default scroll bar color is so bad that it can't be seen without some effort. Can I change that?
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12:07.39quellenhi, what is this? http://pastle.org/id/3ba904cc
12:09.53quelleni use openbox with "alltray doplhin". sometimes it fails and cpu is 100%
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12:25.48quellenwhy in /usr/bin i have kded4 and kded4?
12:26.22quellenkded4 from kdelibs: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/i686/kdelibs/
12:26.38quellenkded5 from kded: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/i686/kded/
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12:29.13quellenall my kded5 error: http://pastle.org/id/3bb304cd
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12:30.19quellenthis is better: http://pastle.org/id/3bb004cc
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15:44.56hateballWhere do I find the setting to disable glow/shadows for windows in plasma 5? I can't find it :|
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15:51.40rdieterhateball: run breeze-settings5
15:52.17rdieterhrm, except I don't see it there
15:52.20hateballyes
15:52.23hateballthat's the problem
15:52.38hateballit's nowhere to be found, and it's driving me somewhat insane
15:52.41rdieteroxygen-settings had an Advanced tab where it lived, iirc
15:52.45hateballyes
15:53.06rdieteryou can always switch to a window decoration that drives you less insane, of course
15:54.09hateballit's even present in oxygen
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15:57.59hateballeven the taskbar has a small shadow it seems
15:58.23Mahethe taskbar shadow should be part of the plasma theme though
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16:02.39hateballno matter what theme I pick there's shadows, even for freshly downloaded ones. feels like this is a setting found elsewhere
16:03.35hateballif it even exists
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16:06.18DattorzYes, the shadows are part of the artwork in the Plasma and KWin themes themselves
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16:06.37DattorzYou will need to find a theme that doesn't have shadows or lets you configure them
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16:10.29DattorzIf you really wanted to, you could edit the SVG sources of a Plasma theme to remove the shadows yourself
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16:28.52yossarianukhi with plasma 5 can I force screen DPI ?  when I use the nvidia driver the window decorations are huge (it looks awful)
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16:30.49yossarianuki have sceenshots - the title bar looks far to big by default with nvidia
16:30.56yossarianukthe nouveau driver was ok
16:31.16yossarianukif i use nvidia/xorg and force to 96x96 it looks fine again.
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16:49.34greenithi, can you recommend a good media-player for KDE with the ability to play shoutcast-radios or generally online radios?
16:50.33baizongreenit: videos -> smplayer, audio -> clementine
16:50.41baizonfor radio i use radtiotray
16:50.55baizon*radiotray
16:52.18greenitbaizon, thanks :)
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16:57.13GondwanaHello World
16:57.21GondwanaCan anyone here  tell me what I am doing wrong, trying (and failing) to disable those pesky notification sounds in Dolphin?
17:02.56DaZi have installed pulseaudio to mute all notifications
17:02.57DaZ,_,
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17:52.46geekevery time I turn off and on my keyboard the layout changes randonly so I need to use etxkbmap us to fix it every time my keyboard is turned off
17:54.18geekthat's so annoying
17:54.41geekwhen the screen is locked I can't type the password because the layout was changed
17:54.46geekso I need to ctrl alt del
17:55.34raffartiplasma 4 or 5°ù?
17:55.55geekplasma 5
17:55.58geekarchlinux updated
17:56.22geekextra/plasma-framework 5.8.0-1 (kf5)
17:56.28raffartiever tried to change keyboard layout through Ctrl-Alt-K?
17:56.39geekyes it doesnt't fix
17:56.56geekit only can be fixed by using setxkbmap
17:58.33geekmy keyboard has a cable problem so it sometimes turn off and turn on instantanely, the bahavior in gnome is that I can't type for a few seconds
17:59.23raffartiit switch randomly or from correct seetup to default?
17:59.36geekit switch randomly
17:59.43geekthe key a turns i or b or c
17:59.52geekrandomly
18:01.06raffartiweird
18:02.03raffartiunplugging/replugging the keyboard does not fix?
18:02.15geekfor example now asdf turned into ieao
18:02.39geekraffarti, that's the cause of the issue, when the keyboard is unplugged and replugged
18:02.57geekthe cable disconnect the keyboard when I move it
18:03.08geekfew seconds after it turns on
18:03.56raffartiok, but how clean reblug behaves?
18:04.07geek?
18:04.17raffartireplug*
18:04.40geekit detects the keyboard again but in a wrong layout
18:05.29raffartithose layout are not add into keyboard settings then?
18:05.46geekit has only one layout
18:05.49geekpt_br
18:06.57geek[thiago@killown ~]$ setxkbmap -print | awk -F"+" '/xkb_symbols/ {print $2}'
18:06.57geekbr
18:07.19geekwith wrong layout
18:07.21geek[thiago@killown ~]$ setxkbmap -print | awk -F"+" '/xkb_symbols/ {print $2}'
18:07.21geekbr(nativo)
18:07.26geeknow I see where is the problem
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18:08.31geekfixed
18:08.43geekthe problem was the Variant
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18:37.29saptechanybody know where documentation on installing KDE 5 Plasma for Debian?
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19:01.35BluesKajsaptech, there's no KDE5, it's known as plasma 5/KF5
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19:05.27srbakerheya folks
19:05.44srbakeri'm running debian on my 15" retina macbook pro, and i want to switch from gnome3 to kde.
19:05.58srbakerbut everything is tiny under kde. hwo do i enable hidpi support?
19:06.25srbakerevery time i try changing the screen resolution, i just get a black screen, otherwise i'd just run it at half-res
19:06.26srbaker:(
19:07.30saptechBluesKaj, ok thanks
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19:13.11BluesKajsrbaker, maybe your screen res is too high, check in system settings >display & monitor.display configuration, click on the monitor in the box to show the display options
19:13.35srbakerwhen i do that, if i select *any* other resolution, the screen goes completely black
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19:13.42srbakerand i have to reboot the machine
19:14.22srbakeri hate this thing. i wish i could afford a new thinkpad without selling this thing first :(
19:14.51BluesKajthe only dpi settings is in the system settings fonts and it seems to affect some the windows size settings as well
19:15.18BluesKajsome of the
19:15.27srbakeryeah, i tweaked those a bit, and a bunch of window sizing settings, but it wasn't global enough
19:15.30srbaker:(
19:15.44srbakeri guess i'll just have to figure out how to get the resolution changed to half on this thing, and make it stick
19:15.58srbakerX -configure isn't even generating a reasonable config for me, but it's running via autoconfiguration. it's really confusing
19:17.23BluesKajsrbaker, did you enable antialiasing and force fonts dpi too ? also which gpu do you have?
19:19.20srbakerthis thing has the dual gpu thing
19:19.24srbakeri think that's causing my issues
19:19.31srbakerit's got the intel + invidia combo
19:19.33srbakernvidia.
19:20.04srbakeri think i'm currently locked to the intel one. bu ti have no idea how to figure it out
19:20.21BluesKajok , the optimus configuration ... PITA
19:20.27srbakeri was hoping there was some "official" support in KDE for high dpi, where i could just check a box.
19:20.33srbakerif not, i'll figure out how to jus trun at half res
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19:21.40BluesKajsrbaker, I think you should do some research on nvidia -prime  if I'm right on that score
19:21.53srbakerokay, cool. thanks
19:23.10BluesKajthere was an app called bumblebe that worked with optimus gpus on some OSs , but lately there isn't much success with it
19:23.24BluesKajerr bumblebee
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19:28.22lordievadersrbaker: What does xrandr say about the display?
19:29.25srbakerhttp://pastie.org/private/njcskcfpwlf9ycjt5ab3a
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19:30.42lordievadersrbaker: It is currently using the highest available resolution?
19:30.45srbakeryes
19:30.55srbakerand when i try to use xrandr to change the res, i get a black screen
19:31.01srbakerand i have to hard reboot the machine
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19:31.25srbakeralso, 1440x900 is not listed, but if i could get a working xorg.conf, i have a modeline somewhere that apparently works.
19:32.51lordievadersrbaker: You could change the font dpi, perhaps that helps: system settings -> Application Appearance -> Fonts -> Force fonts DPI
19:32.58srbakerit doesn't really
19:33.17lordievaderAh, it has been mentioned before, nvm.
19:33.20srbakerby going through the settings panel, and changing all of the font dpi, icon sizes, theme options, i can get about 60% of the way there
19:33.22srbakerbut not enough
19:34.23lordievadersrbaker: Is the machine still responsive when you get a black screen? i.e. can you get an ssh session?
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23:14.08BlaXpiritlrocket, it's great for keyboard shortcuts
23:14.24BlaXpiritu can just map whatever you want to it and know that it won't mess with anything
23:14.34BlaXpiritdown with ctrl+alt+shift+x
23:14.45BlaXpiritmake meta+z your favorite shortcut
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23:15.07BlaXpiritbut you can additionally use ksuperkey  to get best of both worlds
23:15.07lrocketso super and meta are the same?
23:15.10BlaXpiritye
23:15.22lrocketokay, that explains some things :)
23:15.31BlaXpiritwell i think so :|
23:15.37lrocketexcept for the "why have two names" bit, but I can live with this
23:15.38BlaXpiritit's probably technically different
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23:28.28alnrintermittently all windows I launch are blank or transparent. logging out and in fixes it (though its hard to logout because the windows are blank at that point). any idea what is going on?
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