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00:16.51MoleboyDunno if I"m in the right place, but I'm damned confused
00:17.39MoleboyI installed plasma 5. KInfoCenter told me I was on plasma version 5.3---which doesn't even make sense. I ended up updating my distribution and now it says 5.1.2--which also doesn't make sense. It should be on 5.2
00:19.45MoleboyI have no idea what version of anything I'm on. And when I click "help" in virtually any KDE program, it says KDE 4.14.4.
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00:27.54haagchwell, you can run plasmashell --version
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00:29.04haagchfrom what I heard many of the applications are still in the process of being ported, so for the time being there will be some applications from kde sc 4
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00:30.30JucatoMoleboy: you could confirm with your distro what version it has packaged (or if you are using third party repos, from the source).
00:30.59Jucatohaagch: is write about a lot of apps still being from version 4. KInfoCenter though is probably already using frameworks 5
00:31.13Jucato(frameworks version is 5.6)
00:31.50haagchnot 5.7?
00:33.16Jucatodepends on your distro. Fedora still has 5.6
00:34.29Jucatobut yes, my bad. KF is at 5.7
00:34.37Jucatolatest plasma is at 5.2.1
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00:42.52MoleboyAh, I am on OpenSUSE. I'll check back with them, though I was almost positive they were supporting 5.2 at the very least
00:46.24jaggztmy windows change desktops.. I can't figure out when or why.. I just suddenly notice IRC has moved from desktop 7 to, say, 3.. where I keep my web browser
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01:00.00acerspyroI am still having trouble installing KDE for Windows... >.>
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01:03.17acerspyroaccording to the log file, all sites return an HTTP error code
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01:14.01Jucatoacerspyro: no response from #kde-windows ?
01:14.12acerspyrooh, that's a thing?
01:15.43Jucatoif i remember, yes it's a thing
01:15.53acerspyroI just asked
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01:17.02Jucatogood luck
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01:36.50*** topic/#kde is KDE Plasma 5.2 and KDE Applications 14.12 are out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4
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01:51.47bcooksleyacerspyro: you don't happen to know which files it's looking for do you?
01:53.11acerspyrobcooksley: ?
02:09.00bcooksleyacerspyro: the KDE on Windows installer
02:14.58acerspyroyeah
02:15.02acerspyrobut what files
02:15.04bcooksleyif you can provide a log of the files it is looking for I can probably fix it
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02:15.18acerspyrooh it's broken?
02:15.35bcooksleyabout a week ago, I archived a pile of old releases on download.kde.org
02:15.40bcooksley(i'm one of KDE's Sysadmins)
02:15.47bcooksleychances are, I accidentally broke it
02:15.55acerspyrook hold on, you want the log?
02:16.34bcooksleyyes please :)
02:16.39acerspyrohold on
02:16.43acerspyroslow hard drive is slow...
02:17.01acerspyroI'm going to move over my partition tonight to be dual-booted aside of my opensuse
02:19.31acerspyropastie is dead?
02:20.23acerspyropaste.kde.org/pfrdiodki
02:21.16acerspyroIt asked me to pick a language, so I picked brainfuck.
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02:39.52bcooksleyacerspyro: okay, looks like I need config.txt
02:39.54bcooksleysearching now
02:40.12acerspyrook
02:40.32acerspyroMy computer is currently installing infinite updates...
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02:42.25bcooksleyacerspyro: if you could run the installer now please?
02:42.30bcooksleyit should show at least one release
02:42.34bcooksleynamely, one named "4.10.2"
02:42.52acerspyroComputer stuck at installing update 10 out of 16 for like 20 minutes now
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03:18.46voxadam_I was wondering... what video player do most KDE users use? Is VLC still standard or do people use KPlayer, KMPlayer, Kaffeine, or something else?
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03:22.41holgerssonvoxadam: I still prefer mpv over everything else, but I might not represent a typcial KDE user.
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03:23.08holgerssonvoxadam: If I “need“ a GUI I use VLC, yes.
03:25.10acerspyroHe's one of those cave weirdos who love CLIs
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03:36.59Jucatovoxadam: i admittedly use mplayer and smplayer
03:37.21Jucato(as smplayer uses Qt, i'm not that far away from KDE anyway :)
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03:41.01acerspyrobcooksley: I'll ping you when I get my windows system back while I'm online.
03:41.12voxadam:)
03:41.26bcooksleyacerspyro: oki, thanks
03:43.35acerspyroI've noticed, with Plasma 5, after a while, it screws up and I have to re-install it to fix it...
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03:52.44Jucatoi've never had to do that with P5 even when (not if) it screws up (and it does)
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04:15.28acerspyrobcooksley: if my chkdsk is done before my parents unplug my ethernet cable
04:15.34acerspyroYou might have a result tonight!
04:17.27acerspyroyep
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05:00.03nullified-thank you devs and designers. kde5 is easily the most beautiful desktop experience on any OS i've had!
05:00.50thiagoplasma shell 5
05:06.25mystica555_the naming convention is the hardest thing to master about using kde, i think ...
05:08.17thiagothe desktop is called plasma shell
05:08.37mystica555_yes, but everyone will call it 'kde X'
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05:08.55mystica555_where X is some release number that is apparently now no longer tied between all sub-projects?
05:09.58mystica555_I mean, I started with KDE 1.x on redhat 6.2 ish
05:10.06mystica555_and i dont mean RHEL 6.2... i mean red..hat..
05:11.03MoleboyHey guys, I'm on plasma 5.2.1/openSUSE, and I'm struggling to figure out how to disable kdwallet
05:11.32MoleboyIt's crashing, and having all these problems, and I honestly don't care too much for it. It's just getting in the way of things, primarily git, and I just want to disable it >.<
05:12.19MoleboyEverytime I try to push something on git, it asks for my credentials, makes me go through kdwallet, and fails to pass on the stuff. And I'd rather just do it through straight commands
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05:18.56thiagoMoleboy: unset SSH_AUTH_SOCK
05:20.48Moleboythiago: can I ask exactly what that does? and when I use git/github I do it through https
05:20.53Moleboyas opposed to ssh
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05:32.00Moleboythiago: it's still telling me ksshaskpass requests to open kwallet
05:37.57thiagook, so unset SSH_ASKPASS
05:38.45Moleboythiago: you are my hero.
05:39.13Moleboythings work now
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05:39.18MoleboyI seriously appreciate it
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07:16.37OnkelTemHi
07:16.50OnkelTemHow to make a connectin to add default route?
07:17.03OnkelTemUbuntu 12.04 here
07:17.39OnkelTemI just don't see "[ ] Use this as default" checkbox somewhere in the UI
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07:21.23thiagoOnkelTem: there's no need to set anything
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09:17.44alkethi, is there something like zenity for kde ?
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09:36.20valoriealket: what is zenity?
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09:37.40alketvalorie: found it, its kdialog
09:37.49alkethttps://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Shell_Scripting_with_KDE_Dialogs
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09:39.48valoriecool
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10:02.20The_ManU_212hi
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10:03.12The_ManU_212also using a new profile, with konsole i get udner kde 4.12.2 endless popups of "failed to find knotification for dbus_id <INCREASING_NUMBER>"
10:03.29The_ManU_212how can i turn this off, otherwise i have to use xterm
10:03.51The_ManU_212i deleted the fodler udner ~/.kde4/apps/ and config the rc file
10:04.03The_ManU_212rebooted the system, using archlinux
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10:08.39average-userhi guys! I'm having problem with conky blocking right click menu
10:08.45average-userKDE 4.14.4
10:08.49average-useropensuse 13.2
10:09.00average-userhelp me, please
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10:15.01average-userhi guys! I'm having problem with conky blocking right click menu. help me, please.  KDE 4.14.4, opensuse 13.2
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11:02.57Kilo`byteissue with plasma 5: starting yesterday i neither desktop background nor control bar show up. right before that starting to happen i had to reset, due to ram issues making the system unusable
11:03.21Kilo`bytereset as in: hit hardware side reset button
11:03.39Kilo`byte*i see neither
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11:07.07Kilo`byteactually, i do see desktop background now, but no bar and rightclick won't work
11:08.23Kilo`bytehmmm windows also don't react to mouse
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11:09.25Kilo`byteexcept that no matter where i click them let's me move them around
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11:11.11Guest23972Does anyone know where the best place is to submit a small KDE usability bug or feature request?
11:11.32leszekGuest23972: I guess bugs.kde.org
11:12.24leszekGuest23972: but if it is a feature request for KDE SC 4.x then expect that no one will implement it as everyone is focussing on Plasma 5  nowadays
11:12.37Guest23972leszek: See I am not sure if it is a bug - it works as the developers intended.  It just doesn't work for me.  I would just like a setting to change it.
11:13.24leszekGuest23972: make a feature request. But as I said if its KDE SC 4.x then most probably it will be ignored. But you can try. if its a good idea it will be implemented
11:14.01Kilo`bytehopes he soon can use his computer from gui again
11:15.07Guest23972leszek: Thanks, will do.  It is Plasma 5 issue (though I think it is same in KDE 4 too).
11:16.03leszekKilo`byte: is alt+f2 working so you can start a konsole
11:16.12Kilo`byteno
11:16.19Kilo`bytebut i have a tty open
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11:17.13leszekthats a bummer. Ok what you can try is first take a look into ~/.xsession-error to see whats going on why it isn't starting. You can of course (if you think it is a config error) try creating a new user and make sure it is a config issue
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11:18.57Guest23972Actually, I would be curious if anyone else has the same issue (or know how to fix it).  I am using Breeze dark theme with the 'icon only Task manager'.  When I minimize an application it shades the colour of the icon - to the point where I cannot see what the icon is.  I would just like a setting that allows icon colour to always be seen regardless of the state of the window.
11:19.03Kilo`byteworks fine with other user
11:19.14Kilo`bytelet's check the errors file
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11:23.56Kilo`byteleszek: nothing really suspicious looking, only possibly relevant things are dbus related (QCoreApplication registered before dbus thiny) and it fails to load likkdeinit5_pavucontrol
11:24.04Kilo`byte.so
11:24.48Kilo`byteformer might be from applications though
11:25.05Kilo`byteas it obviously tries to restore session
11:25.40leszekGuest23972: that can be easily achieved as it is all written in QML :)
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11:26.52leszekKilo`byte: so if it is a config error and I don't see another way as I first heard of this error. You can try one by one removing the configs for plasma 5 in ~/.config to see which one is causing it. If its a session restore stuff remove the session restore files
11:26.59leszekAND MAKE BACKUPS please :)
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11:27.52Kilo`bytewhere are session files? wanna rule that out first (unlikely, but possible)
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11:29.32igalichello happy people o/~
11:31.23igalici'm on kubuntu 14.10 and i'm getting VERY frequently "cannot unlock the session because the authentication system failed to work." — i've now debugged the issue (with strace of all tools), and it comes down to kscreenlocker_greet being unable to connect to X, for whatever reason. the socket is there and readable, but it gets EAGAIN all the time.
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11:32.47leszekKilo`byte: let me take a look (firing up my plasma 5 vm)
11:33.46leszekigalic: can you reproduce this on the latest KDE SC 4.14.4 ? I guess 14.10 uses 4.14.1 ?
11:34.54igalicleszek: last time i tried updating to kde sc it broke everything ;)
11:36.43leszekigalic: I am just fearing that if you found this error and don't use the latest version it might either be fixed in the later version or the bug might be ignored because of the older version you run
11:37.18igalic~_~
11:37.18aptSTOP THAT!
11:37.20igalicsoftware :(
11:37.22leszekKilo`byte: I guess somewhere in ~/.local/share/ . I don't have session saving enabled here in the vm so I am not sure but maybe in kactivitymanagerd folder you can find the session stuff
11:38.51igalici'ma go eat some lunch, then decide how i'll "destroy" my only work machine. cuz, rebooting the whole thing, or restarting X (lightdm), is kinda not so great usability wise...
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11:41.27leszekigalic: just a short notice. I am running KDE SC 4.14.3 and I don't have an error with the kscreenlocker after suspend or locking. At least not for a single user. Not sure about multiuser support as this needs also code from lightdm in your case or any other display manager running
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11:42.57Kilo`bytewhat part of kde is responsible of the bar?
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11:43.58leszekKilo`byte: the panel ? Its a plasmoid and part of plasma-shell.
11:44.00d_edthe bar?
11:44.55Kilo`bytemenu bar thingy
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11:46.42igalicleszek: this is a single user setup. the person next to me in my office runs pretty much the same version of kde but never sees that error. then again, they don't suspend, ever. it's not a laptop.. so maybe that's a correlation.
11:47.02igalic(btw, i just came back to write this, and had to restart lightdm)
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11:52.21Kilo`bytei think i took care of most config files that could be the cause
11:52.31Kilo`bytestill won't work
11:54.49igalicleszek: did you mean to upgrade 15.04, or to the plasma 5 preview?
11:54.54igalichttp://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu
11:55.35leszekigalic: nope I meant upgrading to KDE SC 4.14.4 which should be the latest KDE SC
11:56.12Kilo`byteanother weird part is the loading bar on startup freezing at about 80% for quite a long time
11:57.09igaliclets see if i can do that out-of-band
11:57.43igalicii  libkscreensaver5                                            4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1                         amd64        library of the KDE Screensaver system
11:58.12igalicwait. What *is* SC?
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12:03.28JoWiemy mouse clicks are suddenly not registering (left click, mouse wheel, etc). any quick way to recover without rebooting?
12:03.37leszekigalic: Software Collection. It is the name of the KDE Plasma Workspaces + KDE Applications basically
12:04.00igalicleszek: you do not by any chance know how (k)ubuntu names those?
12:04.01leszekJoWie: replug in the cable
12:04.24JoWieleszek: nope
12:04.34JoWiejust tried
12:04.34leszekigalic: they are called the same but there is not one package. Its a whole bunch of packages
12:04.43igalicyes :(
12:04.47leszekJoWie: then I don't have any idea
12:05.07JoWiekde is so buggy :p
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12:05.31leszekJoWie: It sounds more like a hardware issue
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12:07.10JoWieleszek: tried multiple mouses & touchpad
12:07.14JoWiemoving the cursor works
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12:10.35leszekJoWie: what version do have running ? Is there maybe any popop opened (an known limitation of X)
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12:14.51JoWierandomly killing processes fixed it
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12:15.41igaliclol
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12:18.35leszekJoWie: so a process was blocking it ? Hmm... very strange
12:18.56JoWieyea
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12:19.08JoWiegoogle tells me it likely was a X11 mouse grab
12:19.24leszekyeah thats what I feared aswell
12:19.33JoWiealthough clicks did not work in the window that i killed either
12:19.44leszekif X grabs something everything is over :P
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12:20.09JoWiei evern tried xdotool key XF86Ungrab
12:20.15JoWiebit that did not work either
12:20.16leszekthats why hotkeys don't work if contextmenus are opened also
12:20.30JoWiecan't i just disable any mouse grabs
12:20.53JoWiei hate stuff like that, almost as bad as windows stealing focus while i am typing haha
12:20.56leszekJoWie: sadly not. Its a Xorg thing
12:21.27leszekJoWie: you have to wait for wayland. It won't have that (at least not when you are not using XWayland I guess)
12:22.12JoWieah yea i heard about wayland
12:22.58JoWiehopefully that will solve a lot of other bugs
12:23.21leszekI hope so too. But its totaly new so it will introduce new ones to play around :P
12:23.55JoWieyea
12:24.08JoWiefor most things i have no idea in what component to look even
12:24.45JoWielike the occasional disappearing font glyphs
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15:07.26rafael2kPeople, I have been using kmail since KDE 1, and it's getting worse and worse
15:07.40rafael2kI'm using kmail that ships with Debian jessie
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15:08.05rafael2kWill kmail be discontinued? does the kmail developers really use kmail?
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15:41.03Walexrafael2k: I suspect that the KMail developers use KMail just in a way they like and that you don't follow.
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16:39.45rafael2kWalex: Which way?
16:40.00rafael2kWalex: Not using more than 100 email in the inbox?
16:40.23rafael2ks/email/emails
16:40.44rafael2kThere are tons of reported bugs describing random behavior of kmail
16:40.51rafael2kit is pretty unusable
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16:48.50rafael2kAny way to get in touch with kmail devs?
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17:57.08beluga_anyone running plasma 5.2 want to test this LibreOffice bug: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89537 Color picker and highlight dropdown button does not work very well on KDE Plasma 5
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18:55.42ob-sedKDE spinning cube (hardware accelerated) looks nice on my openbsd desktop =)
18:56.01svuorelapics or it didn't happen
18:56.14ob-sedlol
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18:56.41ob-sedsvuorela: it happened without me even having to manually hack anything up too hehe
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19:02.16ob-sedsvuorela: using KDE 4.13.3 and intel ivy bridge HD4000 iGPU
19:02.35svuorelaob-sed: using DRM ?
19:02.51ob-sedsvuorela: yep, kernel modesetting, Xorg without root etc
19:03.10svuorelaI wasn't aware openbsd had reached that point yet
19:03.22ob-sed"inteldrm0 at vga1"
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19:03.51ob-sedsvuorela: yeah they put quite abit of work into getting intel iGPUs working
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19:04.14ob-sedand im not sure which Radeon ones, i have a older Radeon in a laptop that works too
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19:37.48blimpseHow can I determine the version of print-manager?
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19:40.20cb400fyour package manager should be able to tell you, if nothing else
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19:41.18blimpseOk, I'll try that.
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20:37.27acerspyrobcooksley: It works
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20:42.31bcooksleyacerspyro: awesome, thx for checking
20:46.03acerspyrobcooksley: np
20:46.55acerspyrobcooksley: Would you know about an issue that would cause Plasma 5 to permanently display black bars and show broken stuff all over the place after trying to use dual-monitor?
20:47.41acerspyroI plugged in the second monitor about a week ago, and it started happening immediately. I've rebooted since, re-installed Plasma, cleared my kde user configs, and it's still there. Using open-source Radeon drivers, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed
20:48.21acerspyro^ Missing from the sentence, the fact that I never plugged in the monitor again
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21:33.30acerspyroThat's top kek
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22:10.44DiscipleOfDanteHowdy
22:11.40DiscipleOfDanteSo I just tried out the QtCurve configurator from a git build of QtCurve-Qt5 and it was great, but I need to ask, is it planned to include a window deco for Plasma 5 for QtCurve?
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22:35.49ShalokShalomwork window behaviour > advanced > placement > maximizing for somebody on plasma 5.2.1 please ?
22:37.20ShalokShalomDiscipleOfDante: #kwin
22:37.36ShalokShalommaybe #plasma
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22:42.33DiscipleOfDanteShalokShalom: Yeah probably kwin, my bad
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