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00:20.52ryonalolihow can i get kde to use the x11 clipboard? even when removing klipper, it seems that web browsers, kdewallet, etc have their own clipboard, and konsole has its own. and xclip can control neither
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00:40.42athan_Hi everyone. Could someone tell me how I can change the download priority of files in ktorrent?
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01:01.39mefistofelesathan_: I think all you can set is high, normal or low priority with right clicking the files
01:02.36athan_mefistofeles: Yeah I didn't know you had to right-click it and hit "first". I thought it would just change state from clicking on the cell in the table.
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02:21.08bfehranyone able to help? I pressed (i think) Meta-C and now input to most of the KDE software is disabled. I can't click inside of konsole windows, dolphon or kwrite. So, I can't click the menus or type into window. But I can still use firefox.
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02:36.03mefistofelesbfehr: what's meta+C supposed to do?
02:36.30bfehrno idea
02:36.43bfehrI accidently pressed it instead of Ctrl-C
02:37.07bfehrcopying and pasting text all afternoon and miss placed a finger
02:37.45bfehrI did it once earlier and just killed all the affected processing but that gets annoying
02:38.19bfehrI searched through the keyboard shortcuts and couldn't find anything associated with meta-C
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02:38.58mefistofelesbfehr: probably pressed something else
02:39.13bfehrprobably but I can't figure out what
02:39.23mefistofelesI don't think there's a shortcut set up for meta+C by default
02:39.38bfehrnot that I can find either
02:40.57bfehrbut what shortcut would allow me to click on a konsole window but not be able to type or use the menus?
02:41.34Markus_KMiYou could try to assign Meta-C to some action. If that shortcut is already taken as global shortcut, a message will pop up
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02:42.29bfehrsadly nothing complained about it being in use already
02:43.54Markus_KMiCould be some input method shortcut
02:44.48Markus_KMiThose usually don't go through KDE's shortcut system
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02:45.28bfehrthere is an alternative shortcut for switching layout but it is Ctrl+Alt+K and I don't see myself accidently pressing that when trying for Ctrl+C
02:50.51bfehrthere seems to be 2 XSMP errors from about the time I pressed the keys. Offending minor opcode = 8 (SaveYourselfDone)
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02:51.54Markus_KMiMaybe you just triggered a bug that is so rare, you will never ever trigger it again
02:52.15bfehrtwice this afternoon :)
02:52.43bfehrI'll just let my scripts finish tonight and reboot the machine tomorrow
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04:39.18sangamenubar keeps dissappearing from kde apps like kontact kmail akregator juk amarok ktorrent. pressing ctrl+m twice brings it back but it dissappears agains on restarting the app.
04:39.45sangaand in kontact-kmail it doesn't appear even after ctrl+m
04:41.34sangai change the MenuBar setting in kontactrc to tnabled but upon restarting the app it becomes disabled again
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04:48.31sanga???
04:48.33{0}grantWhat's the easiest way to test the new Plasma release, for a non-KDE user? (Currently on Fedora 21, via GNOME). Is there a development image floating around?
04:49.44JZAThe SuSE studio have OpenSuSE VM running the latest build for all mayor desktops
04:49.50JZAyou will run it on a VM howver
04:50.13JZAthere might be a Fedora Remix with a similar sceario
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04:51.36JZAhttps://susestudio.com/a/zpzr67/kde-4-reloaded--3
04:51.47JZAhttps://susestudio.com/browse
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04:52.53JZASeems it hasn't been updated in quite a while. Too bad.
04:55.21{0}grantJZA: No prob.
04:55.32{0}grantI might just make an arch vm and play from there.
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04:56.14{0}grantIs it even "worth my time"; As in, is the 5.2 release significant enough of a change from 5.0?
04:58.20JZAprobably just bug fixes
04:58.28JZAso it could if you suffer from major annoyances.
04:58.35JZAotherwise, no need.
04:58.52JZAstill would probably want to read the release notes, and bugfixes it includes.
04:59.20Jucato{0}grant: fedora also has an installable live cd based on F21
05:00.33{0}grantJucato: Well yeah, I know that there is a KDE "spin" -- but I was wondering if there is a "development" distro, like GNOME has with a new release (actually based of Fedora in this case).
05:00.59Jucato{0}grant: the official kde spin is not yet based on Plasma 5 though. so this is a special image
05:01.24{0}grantI tried KDE "5" several months ago, probably October, and liked the way they were heading ... not likely going to switch for sometime though, if I do. ^P
05:01.28{0}grant:^P*
05:01.41Jucatohttp://pub.dvratil.cz/plasma/iso/5.2.0/
05:01.44JZAthats why you might want to test it ona  VM
05:01.45{0}grantKrita is a /big/ appeal for me and to possibly KDE.
05:01.56JZAI am on Arch so I got the latest Krita
05:03.26{0}grantJucato: Thanks for the link!
05:04.20{0}grantJZA: I was on Arch for near 2 years, I spent more time customizing than using it seems. Decided to go the "practical" direction and just stick with Fedora for the time being.
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05:07.39JZA{0}grant: not sure how much 'configuration' do you need. Is pretty done once installed.
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05:09.39{0}grantJZA: It wasn't just Arch itself, I was on Stumpwm and would near obsessively configure that.
05:10.19{0}grantKinda generally, I was putting myself in an environment that for someone with OCD should not be putting themselves in to mess with all day.
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05:11.04{0}grantA lot of work and/or feeling of "needing to do xyz" without getting much actually done.
05:12.17JZA{0}grant: I see, I understand now.
05:12.28JZAso did you found anything "interesting" in 5.2
05:13.09{0}grantJhttps://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.2.0.php
05:14.48{0}grantThis work is of much utility to me, because I could /stand/ KDE4.
05:15.09{0}grantEverything seemed gaudy to the point of offensive to my sensibilities.
05:15.17JZAhttps://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.1.2-5.2.0-changelog.php
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05:17.36{0}grantIf I flee to KDE from GNOME or not, it is in amazement how far these two projects have come in the 5 or-so years I've started using GNU+Linux.
05:18.17JZAyeah well actually I have seen it slow from when I took linux 10 yrs ago
05:18.28JZAI went through the whole Gnome 1 to 2 to 3
05:18.49JZAGnome was dumbed down on +2.x
05:19.25{0}grantJZA: I caught the tale-end of GNOME 2.x and hated it; I gave KDE4 two months and hated it. Both environments now are close to, if not better in many ways than there "commerical competition">
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05:20.52JZA{0}grant: I always thought they were far better to the commercial competition.
05:21.16{0}grantJZA: Eh, feature-wise I'm sure -- usability wise, eh.
05:21.17JZAWindows XP is totally archaic, Vista was a downgrade, and now 8 is useless.
05:21.55JZALinux always had virtual desktops something that I always used on Linux.
05:22.30{0}grantUsability didn't really get a boost, until designers started flooding in. It takes very different skillset to design an easily to near inately usable interface and feature stuff.
05:23.27JZAregardless if its xfce, gnome, kde, icewm, etc. The way Linux map applications to be launched form a unique "run command" rendering the start menu useless.
05:23.50{0}grantJZA: Not for the average user.
05:23.53JZAKDE has hot zones, which is far advanced that what Windows, OSX ever had.
05:24.01JZAthats a common excuse.
05:24.34JZAWhenever something "useful" is shown, people say is not for common users. But when something is lacking in Linux, users say, "its not ready".
05:24.56JZAis key to identify this game early on.
05:25.47JZAi.e. Finder in OSX is similar to the Run command is embeded on the Desktop.
05:25.47{0}grantA "GNOME DO" type run system I can see the 'average user' using, but a non-autocompleted run prompt ... that's insane.
05:25.58{0}grantJZA: It also autocompletes.
05:26.11{0}grantAnd is not the primary way to launch stuff.
05:26.16JZAmst desktops are autocomplete. Xfce even.
05:26.28ShalokShalomanyone here who run qt 5.4.1 bug free ?
05:26.43{0}grantJZA: Not Windowmaker. :^P
05:26.47JZAalso, knowing the program name shouldnt be something "advanced".
05:27.14{0}grantI've used very few DEs non-trivially. GNOME & KDE, a little lxde.
05:27.26JZAI am pretty sure, if you use Linux day to day, you wont have trouble remember your apps.
05:27.35{0}grantMost everything else are WMs and those are/were namely Tiling.
05:27.53JZAWell I used icewm a while ago, it wasnt that bad.
05:28.06{0}grantJZA: My mom doesn't know what "Internet Explorer" is and has used Windows for 10+ year...
05:28.08JZAsuper fast, and in the end did its job (launch apps)
05:28.18JZA{0}grant: your mom is also not the average user.
05:28.30JZAthis are sub-users.
05:28.38{0}grantJZA: No, in her age demographic she is average.
05:28.41JZAlike my dad iin the kitchen.
05:28.45JZA:D
05:28.58JZAhe knows he want a bowl, doesnt know where is kept.
05:29.02{0}grantA startling number of people don't know what a web browser is.
05:29.14JZAI think these are subusers
05:29.38JZAI will think a normal user will be your high school friend, who is not a techie but grew up with a computer.
05:29.44{0}grantJZA: I think you are overly optimistic. :^P
05:30.29{0}grantA majority of the demographics using computers are over 20.
05:30.51JZAyou think?
05:31.03{0}grantJZA: Yes, there are more of them.
05:31.05JZAI disagree, most universities require students with laptops.
05:31.12{0}grantThe "Baby Boomer" generation.
05:31.22JZAdoesnt matter if you are a med student or a lawyer.
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05:31.39{0}grantJZA: Just about any job, you need to touch a computer semi-regurarly now.
05:31.59JZAyes, and if you want to pay taxes you need to do it online.
05:32.33JZAand you need an email account and a password and online banking, etc.
05:33.32{0}grantEvidently in 5 years, 80% of the non-child population will have smartphones.
05:33.47{0}grantGlobally, even in third-world countries.
05:34.05JZAright, so I doubt people can't tell what is a desktop from a browser.
05:34.19JZAjust to use mobile phones, you need to understand the concept of 'apps'
05:34.27JZAinstall them, update them, etc.
05:34.36{0}grantJZA: Eh, Chromebooks probably wouldn't have much market share then.
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05:35.04JZAChromebooks are cheap, thats why they are selling.
05:35.26{0}grantJZA: And also, that most people care about the web and that's about it.
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05:35.55JZAcare for enterntainment, I am sure most assignments and other stuff still done in Offie suites.
05:36.07{0}grantEmail? Online. Banking? Online. Facebook? Online. Voip? Now online. Videos/Music? Easily online.
05:36.14{0}grantOffice? Online. etc, etc.
05:36.24JZAI dont think they are using online office.
05:36.30{0}grantNot yet.
05:36.40JZAso, they do care for their files.
05:36.48JZAand files, usually means desktop.
05:37.04{0}grantJZA: It's trivial for cloud hosting.
05:37.19JZAnot really, is really hard for most people.
05:37.39{0}grantJZA: The point of "cloud computers" is that it's not.
05:37.44JZAI spend 3 months explaining dropbox to my dad, still dont get it.
05:38.05{0}grantJZA: Are the of average intellegence and under 65?
05:38.06JZAand he was even more confused when he realize "dropbox" doesnt connect with "google drive"
05:38.24JZAwell most companies dont want the cloud
05:38.46{0}grantJZA: Companies aren't people and sure they do, if they can trust and/or if they are hosting it.
05:38.52JZAI have a friend that struggle selling this cloud services for companies, because they are just terrified of the concept of putting their files on "remote computers"
05:39.17JZAeven if their database with all their clients are hosted somewhere else.
05:39.40{0}grantJZA: If you aren't an established player in this market already, chances are you aren't going to "blow up" in the good way.
05:40.01JZAwell those companies are run by adults, which go to their house and they are still terrified to use their personal files on the cloud.
05:40.01{0}grantJust like it's already too late for VR companies to be decent competition.
05:40.11{0}grantThe landscape moves very fast.
05:40.34{0}grantJZA: Well, that's probably "icloud fear".
05:41.00{0}grantAs in ignorance based on misunderstanding.
05:41.12{0}grantSorry, fear based on ignorance/misunderstanding.
05:41.18JZAthat certainly didnt help.
05:41.19{0}grantYah, painkillers!
05:41.35JZAwill you took a naked picture and put it in dropbox and be okay with it?
05:42.10JZAThe leak got way too many people scared.
05:42.49{0}grantJZA: I don't take naked pictures, because I'm not a horny lizard.
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05:44.34JZAmaybe not but is a good example of a file you dont want to keep private.
05:45.03JZAerr.. * do
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05:45.40{0}grantJZA: Then encrypt it too.
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05:46.13JZAI dont see normal users knowing what encrypt means.
05:46.27JZAI do see normal users taking naked pics. :D
05:47.39JZAmy point is that normal users do know what "files" are, and no, they dont do everything in the cloud.
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05:48.29JZApower users do, but if you go to the average school and ask a literature teacher if he has a dropbox account  changes he will would be around 20%.
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05:53.28JZAthe bottom line, is that users that use linux are rarely confused about the usability goodies that they present over comercial options.
05:54.14JZAI have seen student in Spain for example, after having their school computers with Linux for all their school life, get around the desktop quite well and much better than windows.
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05:54.38JZAat least use the virtual desktops, the universal launcher, etc.
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06:06.24{0}grantJZA: Time will tell, obviously, but I can't see a future where a notable amount of one computing is not done non-locally.
06:07.04{0}grantNot my preferred route for society, just what I see happening. :^P
06:07.26valoriewhen most people's "computers" are their phones
06:07.44valoriebut that leaves out developers entirely
06:07.55valoriedo you consider git part of the cloud?
06:08.16JZAi am not saying it wont happen, anything can happen. But saying "regular users" understand and are on the cloud, is a stretch.
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06:08.33{0}grantvalorie: Git can work only locally by choice, is not inherently so, no.
06:08.55valorieI'm just saying that the lines are fuzzy
06:09.00{0}grantJZA: No, I'm not saying they are -- I'm saying they will be.
06:09.42{0}grantIt's likely to me that the idea of a non-AR/VR computing might be a rarity in a decade or-so.
06:10.19{0}grantThe landscape is changing quick and with it, likely are the common paradigms.
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06:11.20JZAusers dont change that quick.
06:11.42{0}grantJZA: Yeah they do, if it is viewed as sufficiently "worth it">
06:11.45JZAtechnology do change, but I dont se regular users change as fast.
06:11.50{0}grantThat's why Facebook "blew up".
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06:12.24JZAI can argue that smartphones blew up but that doesnt mean regular users know how to use it. My dad has an iphone, still uses it as a phone mainly.
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06:12.33JZAto make calls.
06:13.03{0}grantAR/VR is a big enough paradigm change, that can foster the amount of excitement for it to be a primary interface in a decade or-so, me thinks.
06:13.32{0}grantSmarthphones are a stepping stone for AR, to me.
06:14.31valorieI understand that git can be local, but it was designed for collaboration, and that means that it is distributed
06:14.57{0}grantvalorie: Is a university network "the cloud"?
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06:15.31valorieeh, I don't care about labels
06:15.33JZA{0}grant: there is a different between distributed and remote.
06:15.44JZAcloud is not necesarily distributed.
06:16.00valorieright
06:16.31{0}grantvalorie: You're the one who asked about "the cloud". :^P
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06:20.09valorieit's all labels
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06:20.58valoriewhat matters is how people use services
06:21.10{0}grantvalorie: What is "all labels"?
06:23.03valoriecloud, not cloud
06:23.20valorieyou can set up owncloud to be local too
06:23.59lordievaderGood morning,
06:24.04{0}grantvalorie: A cloud is not distributed though, that's kinda the point.
06:24.09{0}grantIt's all centralized.
06:24.30valorietrue, that is a difference that does make a difference
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06:25.03{0}grantvalorie: How so? Git is not a cloud based program, Github is a Cloud service.
06:25.27valoriesorry, have other things to do, and shouldn't have entered into the conversation
06:25.31valoriebows out
06:25.54{0}grantis probably being dense anyways, due to said painkillers. :^P
06:26.34JZAgit IS a cloud based program cloud means remote.
06:26.52JZAall web apps are cloud based programs.
06:27.34JZAhowever not all of them are distributed, the Bittorrent network, or the Blockchain is something that is not only remoted (cloud) but distributed.
06:27.38{0}grantJZA: Git is not a "web app".
06:27.40JZAthe Tor network.
06:28.22{0}grantYou need to be able to do "x as a service" to be in "the cloud".
06:28.33JZAumm.... it definetly run under a socket connection, it uses http/ssh to transfer.
06:28.49{0}grantWhether it be infastructure, platform, or software as a serivce.
06:29.16JZAright but this infrastructure, could be distributed.
06:29.55JZAso service is not completely shut down.
06:30.02{0}grantI'm also probably going to bow out; Not only do I really not care, I'm generally tired. :^P
06:30.45JZAalright, we definetly went away from the original point of users.
06:31.04JZAstill a good chat, nevertheless
06:31.48{0}grantPlaying with this Plasma VM a bit, then probably peacing out.
06:32.04JZAI wonder how to check KDE version on the CLI?
06:32.13JZAmaybe there is a qdbus service for that.
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06:32.43{0}grantYeah, already wow'd by the vm.
06:33.06valorieevery kde application has a help > about part, which will list most info
06:33.18valoriebut I don't know a cli way to do that
06:34.25{0}grantWill Plasma 5 be in Fedora 22?
06:34.28valoriealso, there are so many versions, since there is no longer an "SC" with a unified version
06:34.50valorieyou might ask that in a fedora chan, {0}grant
06:35.09JZAvalorie: I guess I can ask my package manager for the info.
06:35.16valorieis running plasma 5 right now in the Vivid beta in kubuntu
06:35.39{0}grantvalorie: Someone said something about Plasma 5.x not currently being in Fedora 21 spin?
06:35.40bshah:q
06:35.42{0}grantin here*
06:35.44bshahoops sorry
06:36.05valorienot sure about fedora
06:37.04Jucato{0}grant: i did. the default spin is still based on KDE 4
06:37.25Jucatoquits bshah but not before :w
06:38.17JucatoJZA, valorie: in kde 4, it would have been kde4-config --version. but that really only proves that kde4-config is installed, not that it's the currenlty running one (whic is the case if you run a Plasma 5 workspace with KDE 4 apps)
06:38.46valoriehttps://community.kde.org/Plasma/Packages has some hints
06:38.47Jucatoi'm not sure how reliable $KDE_SESSION_VERSION is
06:39.09Jucato(as in "echo $KDE_SESSION_VERSION")
06:40.07{0}grantJucato: Yeah, just saw.
06:40.11{0}grantBummer.
06:40.22valoriethat gives me a return of 5
06:40.31valoriewhich is correct
06:40.55valorieexcept we don't call it KDE version any more
06:40.59valorieoh, well
06:41.31Jucatovalorie: the version is for the session, not the kde ;)
06:41.46{0}grantI guess I'll "shop around" more in Fedora's next release cycle.
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06:42.10JZAJucato: yeah I have kded5 but only has a --check option
06:42.12{0}grantKrita is something I plan on playing a lot more seriously with, in the shortterm. Who knows, it might act as that gateway applicattion.
06:42.43JZAI need to go through the krita workshops on youtube. I plan to do a demo talk on the next installfest in april.
06:42.44Jucato{0}grant: i think F22 will have Plasma 5 by default
06:44.55Jucatothere's a #krita channel if you're interested. maybe they can help too
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06:45.54{0}grantJucato: Yeah, I'm lurking there already. I'm in the process of converting all my old mypaint stuff I want to sae to *.kra.
06:46.13Jucato{0}grant: yep. but JZA isn't yet :)
06:46.18Jucatountil now :D
06:47.02{0}grantHm?
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06:47.56Jucato{0}grant: the #krita channel suggestion was more for JZA to join. and i just saw that he entered the channel :)
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06:48.46{0}grantAh, okay, sorry.
06:49.11JZAJucato: thanks
06:49.16{0}grantKrita is by far, the coolest KDE project to me.
06:49.32Jucatobe sure to support its next kickstarter campaign when it happens :D
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06:55.41{0}grantJucato: Yeah, I hope this becomes a trend.
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11:26.38Walex2Satan2k: maybe, but you have to put then in the right place for those settings to be shared by all users.
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12:25.20junkais ktorrent obselete?
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12:25.34leszekjunka: nope ? Why ?
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12:25.57junkaleszek: there is no new update for 2 years
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12:28.14leszekjunka: can't be as I commited a bugfix last year
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12:29.00leszekgit shows last activity on 18.01.2015
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12:29.52leszekso it is still active. Not sure about the release though.
12:31.46junkaleszek: i see thanks
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12:51.24The_ManU_212hi
12:52.22The_ManU_212everytime i want to use konsole knotify gets spammed with "failed to find knotification for dbus_id" messages, some dozens a second, which is annoying and slows down my ssystem
12:52.45The_ManU_212someone has a solution? i cant find  some help with google for that
12:55.10leszekThe_ManU_212: never heard of such a problem. Can you make sure that it isn't config related by creating a new user and try with it
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12:56.38The_ManU_212leszek: it seems to be config related, but how to solve?
12:57.14The_ManU_212it is not possible for me to reconfigure all in kde, takes to much time
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12:57.56leszekHmm... thats a hard one. I am not sure what config can produce such an error. The best would be going one by one in ~/.kde/share/config and see which one is causing this issue.
13:00.07leszekmaybe copying over kdeglobals, plasma-* configs and all the configs from ~/.kde/share/apps/ over to a new user account might be the faster
13:00.12leszekway
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13:01.00The_ManU_212leszek: but is it really the right solution the switch to a new user, because software seems to be buggy?
13:01.06The_ManU_212never had such problems with kde
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13:05.58leszekThe_ManU_212: if you want a fast solution yes. The long and if there is really a bug in kde sc or plasma would be installing a debugger and debugging the whole session to see what produces the error. But my guess is that it is some old config or caching error. And I am not sure if the cost (time you spend debugging) will bring benefit (actually finding an error in kde)
13:06.38The_ManU_212leszek: so it happens for me in konsole, but i already deleted all konsole configs
13:06.57leszekthen it isn't a konsole problem
13:07.14The_ManU_212leszek: and why does it happen with konsole and not amarok?
13:07.25The_ManU_212or kate
13:07.42donniezazenEvent Sounds in KMix doesn't seem to stick. Sounds like a Kubuntu problem.
13:07.47leszekI don't know
13:08.33leszekdonniezazen: event sounds mixer in kde sc 4 is broken as far as I am aware
13:09.00donniezazenleszek: Are you sure? It works on Fedora but not on Kubuntu.
13:09.23leszekdonniezazen: I am not sure if kubuntu patched it out but in systemsettings if you find a notification option for volume this is the one it will most obviously use for the notification sound volume
13:09.58leszekdonniezazen: fedora might have patched it. Upstream is broken
13:10.41leszekopensuse for example patched the whole config for settings event sounds in systemsettings out
13:11.41donniezazenIf that is the case. I wonder why upstream would keep it broken.
13:12.15leszekdonniezazen: because no one found a solution to actually fix the bug
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13:15.34leszekdonniezazen: ok update. There is a solution for the initial problem here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324975  But it seems when using pulseaudio you need to set flat-volumes=no aswell
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13:16.38leszekfrom the last comment I guess notification sound volume changing is disabled by default. Might be a leftover in kmix then that it is still active
13:17.22donniezazenlooking into how to trigger knotify
13:19.39leszekdonniezazen: knotify can be triggered by default for example if you want to remove some file from dolphin with shift + delete. Will popup a window asking you if you really want to do it and this by default also plays a sound
13:22.14donniezazenleszek: thanks for point that out
13:22.38donniezazenSo the volume is never turned down.
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13:24.10leszekyeah that was the initial problem
13:24.22leszekdonniezazen: do you have the same problem atm ?
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13:26.06donniezazenyeah
13:26.23donniezazenkde-runtime-4:4.13.3-0ubuntu0.2
13:26.49leszekdonniezazen: ah ok the old version. hmm...
13:27.02donniezazenI am on Kubuntu LTS
13:27.09donniezazen14.04
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13:27.28leszekyeah and I am not even sure if the kubuntu ppa with 4.14.2 will include the fix for that
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13:28.30donniezazeneveryone should have that problem the fix is going to be released in applications 15.04
13:28.40leszekdonniezazen: can you show me your ~/.kde/share/config/knotifyrc config file. Maybe changing the volume there to something lower works. (But the sound will be then always at that fixed level set there)
13:29.07donniezazenLastConfiguredApp=KDE Workspace
13:29.10donniezazenjust a single line
13:29.13leszekdonniezazen: like I said opensuse patched it out as some other distros did it already
13:29.42donniezazenthere's no manual entry for knotify or knotifyrc.
13:29.48donniezazenhard to say on to what to change.
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13:31.34leszeklet me take a look on my other pc where I had this problem before and fixed it by recompiling kde-runtime for my distro
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13:32.27leszekdonniezazen: ok try to append this to knotifyrc
13:32.52leszekhttps://paste.kde.org/prcmaq37n
13:33.07leszekthis should force the notifications sounds to use 50% of volume
13:33.12leszekhopefully that works for you
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13:33.28donniezazenshould i logout and login to apply
13:33.49leszekyes please
13:33.59leszekhopefully logout does not overwrite the changes
13:34.29donniezazenleszek: thanks. let's try that
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14:04.13berz3rkPls help me, how to install the l10n-de Kde5 package on archlinux, I have a high dpi screen, how to adjust the dpi stuff?
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14:09.03rdieterberz3rk: for the first part, I'd suggest asking your distro (arch), per /topic.  As far as dpi goes, that should generally be automatic (though you can manually adjust dpi used in systemsettings5->fonts, Advanced button)
14:09.22berz3rki can force them y
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14:18.26donniezazenleszek: that did work. thanks.
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14:34.47BluesKajHiyas all
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15:00.57jellyis there a way to use an X-server bitmap font in Konsole?
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15:03.21jellyon debian 7, kde 4.8, changing the font only lists vector fonts (ttf, otf) not the X11 bitmap ones
15:03.26rdieterjelly: yes, if your system fontconfig is configured to support bitmap fonts (it often defaults to no)
15:03.51jellyhmm, can that be set from system-settings
15:03.55rdieterno
15:04.24rdieterjelly: not sure about debian, but my fedora/redhat boxes fontconfig config is under /etc/fonts
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15:04.40jellycould it possibly be set from a user's ~/.fonts/config instead
15:04.44rdieteryes
15:04.56jellygood enough, I'll look into that
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16:09.51loop3rHello, I am probably missing something, but what steps are necessary to point magnet links to ktorrent in firefox ?I tried add magnet option to about:config and could find magnet in preferences->applications
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17:43.40loop3rCan you tell if messed something up, when I run plasma board, I got different wallpaper and widgets, something like wrong session, and i can back to each of them, the problem that I dont want that other session
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19:55.54rdietersalamanderrake: kde session management server
19:56.12salamanderrakeits running an 100% on my system
19:57.03rdieterpossibly something gone wrong trying to restore your previous session (?)
19:57.30rdieterif you have debug symbols installed, attaching to the process to get a backtrace may be helpful, to see what's it's busy doing
19:58.25mada_Hello, I'm running KDE 4.14.4, and I'd like to NOT have window borders hidden on non-maximized windows, e.g. when they are positioned on a screen edge only. Is this possible? Does the theme matter? (I prefer Plastik, for its easy to distinguish window titles)
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20:00.57rdietermada_: I think that may depend on window decoration used, yes
20:01.31rdieterusing plastic here, I get small window borders by default
20:01.43rdieterie, they are not hidden
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20:02.23rdieterbut their size is configuable, all from none, tiny... all the way up to very huge, oversized
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20:53.01ambro718Hey. In the Plasma task manager, I find the window titles for minizmized windows hard to read due to the opacity. Can I make them more pronounced?
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21:40.53Walex2ambro718: probably only by changing theme, but changing one of the relevant fonts in systemsettings might work, but not just there.
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21:44.49ambro718nvm, I've just changed to the Oxygen theme where the text is more readable :)
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21:46.09nestahello
21:46.21nestais it possbile to change the size of the tabs in Konsole?
21:46.53nestaI would like to make them about half the size they are, my screen is not huge and they occupy a lot of the real estate ;[
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21:53.29kde__peponesta, don't they shrink automatically the more you add?
21:54.14nestakde__pepo: the widtf of them does, yes. I want to shrink the height
21:54.18nestathey are rather tall
21:54.48kde__pepowhich widget style are you using
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21:55.04nestathe default one
21:55.10kde__pepoI think with QtCurve you can configure the size. Well, at least with Skulpture you can.
21:55.21nestaI will look into that, thanks
21:56.03MetaroxyWill there ever be a QtCurve for Gtk3?
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21:57.50kde__pepoMetaroxy, google says yes
21:58.30Metaroxykde__pepo: Recently? Last time I checked the author had given up due to the frequent changes in Gtk
21:58.32acerspyroTrying to install KDE for Windows, when I'm at the "release selection" step, it shows an empty list.
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21:58.39nestaokay I have installed both qtcurve and skulpture
21:58.44ambro718Funny story, here's how you add a shortcut on the desktop to Favorites in the launcher. Add a new launcher widget to the desktop and drag it there, remove the extra launcher :)
21:59.30ambro718(because if you try to drag it to the usual launcher, you can'r, because it doesn't open when you hover on it holding the item)
21:59.39nestakde__pepo: care to help me 'enable' of them? :-) I am a complete KDE noob
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22:02.20nestaI have enabled skulpture in KDE System Settings/Workspace Appearance
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22:06.02nestaalso in Application Appearance/Style
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22:11.04nestaI don't think its possible
22:11.15nestacan't see it anywhere anyway
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22:27.54acerspyroSo anyone knows why the "release section" step would show an empty list in the KDE for Windows installer?
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22:53.08haagchhi. I guess nobody else has that problem. I use plasma 5 on archlinux and kwalletd5 is running. But I can't start kwalletmanager. The gui appears, but it is unresponsive and it spams "kwalletmanager(29394)/kdeui (Wallet): The kwalletd service has been disabled" into the terminal I started kwalletmanager from
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23:03.14acerspyroI'm guessing noone is using KDE for Windows.
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23:10.06loop3ris there some fix for breeze dual monitor support ?
23:10.44rdieterloop3r: can you give a hint or details about what the problem is first?
23:11.48loop3rrdieter: no problem, sorry I thought its a common problem with breeze
23:11.57loop3rrdieter: so
23:14.28loop3rThe most annoying problem is with breeze sddm theme which makes sddm login program looks awful, even if second monitor is disabled the login prompt in the center of sum of width of those monitors
23:14.51loop3rand breeze loading screen blinks all the time if second monitor is plugged
23:15.20rdieteroh, this is about sddm ?
23:15.27rdieterk
23:16.38loop3rrdieter: sorry for confusing, yea its most about sddm, but that blinking is also weird ;/ IT's all not big deal,but breeze is really good looking theme ;p
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23:18.33rdieterand other sddm themes do not suffer this problem?
23:19.32loop3rrdieter: yes other sddm themes have right position of login prompt
23:20.18rdieterand no blinking ?
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23:26.46loop3rrdieter: i will try one more that blinking, but probably not
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23:29.27loop3rrdieter: but when I preview sddm breezie them in sddm-config its ok! on both monitors is ok, but not on boot
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23:35.24cybermailsis there an option to change the delay for taskbar tooltips appearance?
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