IRC log for #kde on 20150124

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`00:08.56`	`Grommet`	`hello, I am using KDE 4.14.3. Just before my monitors go black for power saving mode there is a spashscreen that appears on both monitors. When I start KDE the spash screen is only on one monitor. I guess this is two questions but how to I change the spash screen that appears before the bonitors black out and is it possible to make the spash screen appear on both monitors on startup?`
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`00:23.16`	`mefistofeles`	`is there already a way for GTK apps to look uniform in kde (plasma5) ?`
`00:25.49`	`valorie`	`mefistofeles: does your distro offer oxygen-gtk?`
`00:25.58`	`valorie`	`if so, I believe that works`
`00:26.30`	`mefistofeles`	`valorie: yes, but I don't use oxygen theme in plasma5`
`00:26.32`	`mefistofeles`	`I use breeze`
`00:28.01`	`valorie`	`that's fine, as oxygen is a fallback`
`00:28.59`	`MichaelTunnell`	`Grommet: changing the splash screen is rather simple but first`
`00:29.29`	`Grommet`	`I can change the startup one it seems to be the screen lock one that I dunno how to change`
`00:29.57`	`Grommet`	`the "simple" lock defaults to the suse wiggle thing`
`00:30.05`	`MichaelTunnell`	`Grommet: to answer the splash screen on both monitors, I doubt it. I think that KDE signals the extra monitors after the boot splash loads so at that point it couldnt send it to all monitors`
`00:30.14`	`Grommet`	`ok`
`00:31.50`	`mefistofeles`	`valorie: ok, gonna try that, but isntalling it is enough? or do I need to set it up somwhere?`
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`00:32.33`	`valorie`	`installing it and than choosing it in systemsettings is enough`
`00:33.01`	`mefistofeles`	`valorie: where in system settings?`
`00:33.17`	`valorie`	`uh`
`00:33.39`	`Jucato`	`actually i think you might also need the kcm-gtk package. then you'll have to run "kcmshell4 kcmgtk" to get to it (since it won't show up in Plasma 5)`
`00:33.40`	`valorie`	`I always just alt+f2 and type what I want`
`00:33.59`	`valorie`	`oh, thank goodness Jucato is here`
`00:34.06`	`mefistofeles`	`Jucato: that was the question, if there was something for plasma5`
`00:34.07`	`MichaelTunnell`	`Grommet: are you saying that you have already changed Workspace Appearance -> Splash Screen?`
`00:34.08`	`valorie`	`I forgot about those missing kcms`
`00:34.09`	`mefistofeles`	`thanks`
`00:34.12`	`mefistofeles`	`valorie and Jucato`
`00:35.06`	`Grommet`	`yeah I have a steampunk one when my kde starts, but if I let the timrer run out for the screen to go black there is a different screen or background that appears first and I don't like it :/`
`00:35.21`	`Grommet`	`and it matches what the original spash screen was`
`00:35.32`	`valorie`	`yw`
`00:36.04`	`Jucato`	`yw2`
`00:36.12`	`Jucato`	`sorry valorie`
`00:36.28`	`valorie`	`lol`
`00:36.43`	`MichaelTunnell`	`valorie: as in the one who was interviewed on LUP?`
`00:36.52`	`valorie`	`yes`
`00:36.57`	`valorie`	`hi MichaelTunnell`
`00:37.00`	`Grommet`	`you know how you can choose the widget set instead of a screensaver? That started with the same ugly background and I can change that. but not the one that is labelled "simple ,locker"`
`00:38.22`	`MichaelTunnell`	`interesting, I have never really liked KDE purely because of the asthetics of it and after a lot of people telling me to try it and your interview, I decided to finally try it and it is still not pretty but once I made it look good I have to say the functionality and flexiblity is crazy impressive`
`00:38.46`	`MichaelTunnell`	`I feel dirty cheating on GNOME but KDE's core is soooo good`
`00:39.55`	`MichaelTunnell`	`Grommet: I think that is a setting in one of the config files in ~/.kde4 but I dont know what it is`
`00:40.55`	`MichaelTunnell`	`Grommet: to be honest, I've only been using KDE for about 5 days now so I haven't had enough time to learn that deep. I dive in deep when I test stuff but not that deep. :)`
`00:40.59`	`valorie`	`MichaelTunnell: that's funny, because the interview was totally about a diff. subject than I was prepared for`
`00:41.32`	`Jucato`	`isn't that what you call "ambush interview"?`
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`00:41.59`	`valorie`	`well, they had covered what I thought we were talking about on a show a few days before`
`00:42.02`	`valorie`	`it was OK`
`00:42.03`	`MichaelTunnell`	`valorie: I actually dont even remember what the topic was about :) I just remember some quotes from you that I added to the other words from people that made me finally go "FINE! I'll give it a full try" :)`
`00:42.27`	`valorie`	`good to hear, MichaelTunnell`
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`00:42.39`	`Jucato`	`that's valorie for you, turning people to KDE :D`
`00:42.59`	`MichaelTunnell`	`though I do have to admit that I would probably be hated by the KDE community at large because technically my KDE kind of looks like GNOME :)`
`00:43.18`	`mefistofeles`	`MichaelTunnell: looks is subjective`
`00:43.23`	`valorie`	`we don't slag on gnome here`
`00:43.31`	`mefistofeles`	`that's actually how powerful kde is, you can make it look virtually like any other`
`00:43.41`	`valorie`	`and everybody's desktop looks different; that's part of the point`
`00:44.02`	`MichaelTunnell`	`well my panel is at the top, I created the dock on the left and the workspace dock on the right...ala GNOME and I created the top left hotcorner to present windows ala gnome`
`00:44.23`	`valorie`	`that is totally fine`
`00:44.25`	`MichaelTunnell`	`so I kind of have a GNOME workflow inside of KDE...not sure if that is blasphemy or not :)`
`00:44.29`	`Grommet`	`kk thx MichaelTunnell. I will find it! I will id myself of that vile picture :)`
`00:44.34`	`Jucato`	`actually present windows on the top left corner is also default in KDE`
`00:44.45`	`MichaelTunnell`	`Grommet: best of luck`
`00:45.09`	`MichaelTunnell`	`Jucato: I could have sworn I changed that but now that I think about it..yep I didnt change that`
`00:45.35`	`valorie`	`workflow is workflow`
`00:45.41`	`valorie`	`tools are not religion`
`00:45.44`	`valorie`	`etc.`
`00:46.12`	`MichaelTunnell`	`there is only one thing I wish I could do though is middle click a window in present windows or in "desktop grid" that would then close the window. I had to patch a gnome extension for that and I love that function but cant seem to get that in KDE, not a deal breaker but I would probably be totally sold if I could`
`00:46.55`	`Jucato`	`you can just click on the large X button in present windows to close that`
`00:47.27`	`MichaelTunnell`	`Jucato: I know but the function I am used to is middle click anywhere in the window and BAM closed...it is just a workflow speed thing I like`
`00:47.36`	`MichaelTunnell`	`not a deal breaker though just something I like for speed`
`00:48.17`	`MichaelTunnell`	`btw can I ask...why are workspaces called Desktops in KDE yet settings app calls it Workspace Behavior and Workspace Appearance? Why the term breakage?`
`00:48.57`	`Jucato`	`MichaelTunnell: there are configurable actions for each of the buttons for present windows. unfortunately, Close is not one of them`
`00:49.21`	`valorie`	`leaves for dinner`
`00:49.32`	`MichaelTunnell`	`Jucato: exactly, I looked there. I was disappointed but not discouraged`
`00:49.39`	`valorie`	`nice meeting you MichaelTunnell, welcome to the joys of KDE`
`00:49.42`	`Jucato`	`you can file a bug report for it as a wishlist`
`00:49.51`	`MichaelTunnell`	`I changed my workflow to fit GNOME I think I can deal with changing slightly again :)`
`00:50.02`	`Jucato`	`as for term breakage, i think you're confusing what gnome calls things to what kde calls things`
`00:51.10`	`MichaelTunnell`	`valorie: lol thanks. I will stop bashing KDE for being bloated because it is SURPRISINGLY effecient. I am using it on a laptop that GNOME repeatedly crashed on but KDE is running like a champ...slightly heavy champ but it actually works so slight overhead is nothing when the other doesnt work lol`
`00:51.38`	`MichaelTunnell`	`Jucato: I will file a bug indeed`
`00:51.54`	`Jucato`	`"workspace" in Gnome from what i remember is the equivalent of virtual desktops (the older universal term used by everyone) and KDE has been calling them "desktops" (or virtual desktops) for like forever. the "Workspace Behavior" and "Workspace Appearance" you mention is what refers to the whole environment, what is traditional called "desktop environment". but we've stopped using the term "desktop" there because it can be, say a tablet, a netbook, a`
`00:51.55`	`Jucato`	`media box, etc.`
`00:52.59`	`Jucato`	`valorie: you're not getting off that easy!`
`00:52.59`	`MichaelTunnell`	`yea I am confused by that...10 years in the GNOME-side world will do that to ya :)`
`00:53.03`	`Jucato`	`valorie: bon appetite :)`
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`00:54.03`	`Jucato`	`MichaelTunnell: well, Gnome 3 calls them "Activities" i think, which is a totally different beast in KDE. welcome to confusion :)`
`00:54.28`	`MichaelTunnell`	`Jucato: actually GNOME3 still calls them Workspaces`
`00:54.46`	`MichaelTunnell`	`there is no such thing as Activities in GNOME. they just call the Overview the Activities Overview`
`00:54.55`	`MichaelTunnell`	`other than that the word Activities has no meaning`
`00:55.15`	`Jucato`	`ah i see`
`00:55.21`	`Jucato`	`well that's even more potentially confusing :)`
`00:55.25`	`MichaelTunnell`	`which is very weird when you move to KDE and see the concept of Activities which are quite cool but not sure I will ever use those`
`00:56.15`	`MichaelTunnell`	`yea I just kill the "Activites Overview" button in the panel because it does nothing other than what Super does so just use Super`
`00:56.17`	`MichaelTunnell`	`:)`
`00:56.24`	`Jucato`	`heh`
`00:56.28`	`MichaelTunnell`	`Jucato: so I have a weird question...I have asked a few people I know who run KDE but they dont know.`
`00:56.42`	`Jucato`	`i might not know either! so no promises :)`
`00:56.46`	`MichaelTunnell`	`I know I can have different widgets on different desktops = cool`
`00:56.57`	`MichaelTunnell`	`is it possible though to have different themes on different widgets`
`00:57.00`	`MichaelTunnell`	`for example`
`00:57.19`	`Jucato`	`yes`
`00:57.22`	`MichaelTunnell`	`I use three panels = 1 top panel, 1 dock on the left, 1 desktop dock on the right`
`00:57.31`	`MichaelTunnell`	`I want them to be global on all desktops`
`00:57.34`	`Jucato`	`but not exactly. or rather`
`00:57.50`	`MichaelTunnell`	`but I want the top panel to be a different theme than the other two`
`00:57.55`	`Jucato`	`you can have a different theme for different widget types, not different instances of the same widget type`
`00:57.59`	`MichaelTunnell`	`and I want the settings to be global on all desktops`
`00:58.07`	`MichaelTunnell`	`DANG IT`
`00:58.52`	`Jucato`	`all panels will look the same, but the analog clock widget can be different.`
`00:59.07`	`MichaelTunnell`	`yea I understand`
`00:59.15`	`MichaelTunnell`	`the panels are types and thus have to be the same`
`00:59.19`	`MichaelTunnell`	`dang it`
`00:59.45`	`MichaelTunnell`	`functionally I understand though...maybe just maybe can I control it inside the theme via id's or something?`
`01:00.37`	`Jucato`	`not exactly sure`
`01:01.55`	`Jucato`	`you could ask in #plasma but the devs might be out for the weekend`
`01:02.42`	`MichaelTunnell`	`yea I am trying to go pretty deep in the configs so I expect it to be hard to find it :)`
`01:03.06`	`MichaelTunnell`	`thanks I didnt know about that channel...I should have guessed it existed but I didnt look, sorry :)`
`01:03.31`	`Jucato`	`np`
`01:13.10`	`MichaelTunnell`	`but I want the top panel to be a different theme than the other two`
`01:13.28`	`MichaelTunnell`	`dang it paste fail`
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`01:19.07`	`Jucato`	`:)`
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`01:25.26`	`MichaelTunnell`	`Jucato: are all settings in kde4? meaning once I finish what I want can I just save it all and drop it on another computer to make them sync functions?`
`01:25.38`	`MichaelTunnell`	`mostly wanting to sync workflow`
`01:27.04`	`Jucato`	`for now, yes I think so. do note that for some distros, it's ~/.kde4/ but others have gone back to using plain ~/.kde/ years ago. it might not always work though`
`01:27.34`	`Jucato`	`the most important directories would be ~/.kde/share/config/ (for settings) and ~/.kde/share/apps/ for app data`
`01:28.22`	`Jucato`	`for plasma 5 and frameworks 5, we've switched to using the cross-desktop standard, dumping everything into ~/.config/ and ~/.local/ instead`
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`02:25.45`	`f4r3j4d0r`	`Hi everyone`
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`02:41.06`	`MichaelTunnell`	`people joining and waiting for a reply for less than 10 min is just sad`
`02:42.22`	`MichaelTunnell`	`Jucato: interesting with the cross-desktop thing...the distro I want will be the same, both computers will be Arch but I wanted to sync the settings so I can be "one and done"`
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`02:47.22`	`MichaelTunnell`	`Jucato: if you were to guess, how long will it be before KDE4 is replaced by KDE5? (I know it isn't technically called that) I mean in a long term as everything is stable and used by default. I am just wondering for frame of reference to what I am doing right now and how long I will be using this setup`
`02:47.45`	`MichaelTunnell`	`I will not quote you on it or anything lol`
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`02:53.50`	`teprrr`	`MichaelTunnell, uh. you know that some people are still using kde3 apps?`
`02:54.18`	`MichaelTunnell`	`teprrr: yes I know some people are silly but I'm not one of them :)`
`02:54.20`	`teprrr`	`and there are quite a few kde4 apps I know that are not being actively ported/maintained`
`02:54.59`	`MichaelTunnell`	`I dont mind using qt4 stuff in kde5 or whatever`
`02:55.23`	`MichaelTunnell`	`like I would keep using Dolphin even if it stayed in qt4, this manager is freakishly impressive`
`02:56.35`	`MichaelTunnell`	`I mean just like fundamentals and such. I keep up to date with everything really...kind of a requirement for Arch`
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`02:57.15`	`MichaelTunnell`	`for example kde3 is dead in Arch`
`02:58.07`	`MichaelTunnell`	`also looks like Trinity is not even an option in Arch, thats news to me :)`
`02:58.44`	`teprrr`	`yeah. I don't get why someone would even try to use kde3...`
`02:58.53`	`teprrr`	`although there may be some qt3/kde3 apps still somewhere`
`02:59.20`	`teprrr`	`but I mean, the whole idea of kf5/kde5 to my understanding is that it doesn't matter. for the base apps it's harder to say now`
`03:00.19`	`teprrr`	`but for example plasma (the kde desktop) is doing new releases now and then. it's not anymore tied to some bigger picture.`
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`03:01.50`	`teprrr`	`same applies to other apps too, I think, besides those base apps. although looks like they also are porting on their own pace, see: https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-14.12.0.php`
`03:03.01`	`MichaelTunnell`	`yea I like the split like kde is doing now`
`03:03.15`	`MichaelTunnell`	`one of the reasons I was interested in trying it out because I am excited for the future`
`03:03.43`	`MichaelTunnell`	`I am excited for the future of GNOME too but the future of GNOME is not public so hard to get really excited`
`03:03.55`	`teprrr`	`I've been using "kde5" things on arch so long they've been there in the repositories`
`03:04.31`	`teprrr`	`I mean, I'm not so excited about that stuff. just getting things done, although new toys are always new toys :)`
`03:04.37`	`MichaelTunnell`	`teprrr: I havent moved because I want to try my first long term test of KDE as the "stable" branch`
`03:04.48`	`teprrr`	`it took like ages from arch packagers to get 14.12 to the official repos`
`03:05.16`	`MichaelTunnell`	`teprrr: this is MUCH more toys than I'm used to. I am used to dealing with missing features but KDE has basically everything I want minus a few minor tweaks`
`03:05.39`	`MichaelTunnell`	`teprrr: same with 3.12 of GNOME. I think it was 4 months`
`03:07.52`	`teprrr`	`mhm. oh well. I think I've been using kde since 3.1 as my main system (although didn't jump to 4.0 directly), and it's been quite smooth ride normally`
`03:07.57`	`teprrr`	`bugs come and go`
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`03:15.56`	`Jucato`	`MichaelTunnell: complex question but i think teprrr already covered it nicely`
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`03:22.47`	`captainfantastic`	`anyone installed plasma 5 on opensuse? If I install plasma 5, would 4 be automatically removed?`
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`03:24.48`	`Jucato`	`some parts of it yes. they're not co-installable. at least the workspace ("desktop") parts. but apps will still work`
`03:25.18`	`Jucato`	`captainfantastic: i think there's an #opensuse-kde channel (not 100% sure) and they might know the details`
`03:29.31`	`captainfantastic`	`Jucato: thanks!`
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`04:15.13`	`maliboy`	`hey`
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`04:25.02`	`[Relic]`	`anyone know where the built in plasmoid files are? the hardware temperature monitor only shows F not C`
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`04:45.23`	`MichaelTunnell`	`[Relic]: I think you can customize the settings in ~/.kde(4)/`
`04:45.28`	`MichaelTunnell`	`the 4 might be there or not`
`04:46.00`	`MichaelTunnell`	`[Relic]: I havent tried to change that kind of thing yet but I think that is where you change it since that is always where themes are`
`04:50.08`	`[Relic]`	`after hunting more looks like a .so rather than a script file anywhere so changing is doubtful`
`04:51.14`	`Jucato`	`plasmoids are plugins, yes. but their configuration files are usually plain text. but not exactly sure for that exact setting`
`04:52.57`	`Jucato`	`i might not even have that particular plasmoid (plasma 5 version)`
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`04:58.13`	`petra_`	`Anyone know what could cause my screen to be shifted about 2.5 inches tot he left?`
`04:58.16`	`[Relic]`	`lmsensors/it8728-isa-0228/temp1=temp1 -- lmsensors/it8728-isa-0228/temp1_offset=0.0 <- that is about all I can find not sure if it would accept c/f conversion formula in offset`
`04:58.38`	`petra_`	`it is a 22 inch acer, and it has always worked fine, but something happend during an update I think`
`04:58.56`	`petra_`	`it is fone suring post, but when kdm starts up, it is shifted`
`04:59.08`	`petra_`	`the resolution is correct, but just shifted over`
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`05:11.15`	`petra_`	`I think it might be that I am stuck at 60hz refreash, snyone know of a way to get the 75hz option back?`
`05:14.37`	`thiago`	`why do you want more than 60?`
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`05:18.27`	`petra_`	`well to get my screen to not be shifted 2 inches to the left would be good`
`05:18.52`	`petra_`	`im pretty sure the normal setting was 75 and now that is gone`
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`06:01.38`	`larrylamsy`	`Hello there, can someone help me please. I installed FreeBSD 10.1 on a Samsung notebook computer. I used to have console terminal by pressing ALT+F2 ~ F8. And I am happy to have the textbase terminal. Now there is no console terminal when I pressed ALT+F * . Do I need to make setting in /etc/tyys?`
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`06:11.01`	`thiago`	`larrylamsy: FreeBSD knowledge isn't so widespread, sorry`
`06:11.07`	`thiago`	`try asking in a FreeBSD channel`
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`06:53.01`	`DrAwkward`	`Hi, I am a newbie. I am running Kubuntu on Virtual Box with host OS as OSX 10.10. I notice that the central window on Amarok stays above every other window I open. Is this a bug?`
`06:54.01`	`DrAwkward`	`I noticed a similar problem with Qt Creator. The central window would stay above every other window no matter what`
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`07:06.22`	`MichaelTunnell`	`DrAwkward: no just probably a weird focus thing, right click the titlebar and make sure "Keep Above" is turned off`
`07:06.52`	`MichaelTunnell`	`that shouldnt happen automatically but it might be possible`
`07:07.14`	`DrAwkward`	`MichaelTunnell, keep above is turned off.`
`07:07.29`	`DrAwkward`	`MichaelTunnell, further more the right click menu items disappear behind the central pane!`
`07:07.53`	`MichaelTunnell`	`is this a dialog popup?`
`07:08.39`	`DrAwkward`	`yes`
`07:08.50`	`DrAwkward`	`i notice the same thing happens with the central pane in qt creator`
`07:09.08`	`DrAwkward`	`and it happpens only when i run kubuntu on virtual box on my mac`
`07:09.18`	`DrAwkward`	`on a clean install of kubuntu it doesnt happen`
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`07:12.25`	`valorie`	`hmmm, I wonder if there is something in common in how those panes are handled`
`07:14.37`	`maliboy`	`I like KDE so much, it is a stable distro so far`
`07:16.54`	`MichaelTunnell`	`maliboy: KDE is not a ditro. :) (just being pedantic)`
`07:17.23`	`maliboy`	`MichaelTunnell, It makes any distro stable`
`07:17.28`	`maliboy`	`is what I meant`
`07:17.28`	`MichaelTunnell`	`DrAwkward: it could be the popups themselves are trying to take focus but they shouldn't takeover other applications. They should take over the original application though`
`07:17.42`	`maliboy`	`MichaelTunnell, Do you know about any nice comic strips for the widget?`
`07:17.56`	`MichaelTunnell`	`maliboy: well that is not really what stable means but again pedantic`
`07:18.19`	`MichaelTunnell`	`maliboy: depends on the strip, I know there is an xkcd thing but need more specifics`
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`07:26.32`	`maliboy`	`MichaelTunnell, Ok`
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`14:04.20`	`PasNox`	`Hi, is there any reason Device Notifier plasmoid does not show network shares so we can try to mount them easily ?`
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`14:09.23`	`Walex`	`PasNox: not all network fielsystems broadcast which shares are available.`
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`14:10.22`	`Walex`	`PasNox: how do you think would a program which random network shares are exported by random systems on a network?`
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`14:36.16`	`lord_rob`	`Hi! I'm using kde 4.14.2 on debian sid (official package), and now I'm no more prompted what to do when I plug a USB mass storage device on my usb port. However the device is detected by the kernel (dmesg) and I can cfdisk on it. What's wrong here ?`
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`14:41.29`	`BluesKaj`	`lord_rob, does dolphin show the usb in "Devices"`
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`14:50.39`	`lord_rob`	`BluesKaj: no`
`14:51.30`	`BluesKaj`	`lord_rob, have you tried all th usb ports?`
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`14:52.50`	`lord_rob`	`yep`
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`14:54.17`	`lord_rob`	`I also have rebooted my machine as udev was just upgraded`
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`14:59.22`	`PasNox`	`Walex: indeed, dunnow axactly, bu sambe can rquest available shares`
`14:59.27`	`PasNox`	`samba*`
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`15:04.57`	`ntz`	`It's not a big problem but there's something very annoying in the kde .. check this http://susepaste.org/93920873 .. this is generic kde dialog for the file select from other apps .. the sort order is there alphabetical but the colums are vertical ..`
`15:05.23`	`ntz`	`can I change the columns order in this generic kde dialog to be horizontal colums (lines) like in dolphin ?`
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`15:08.54`	`BlaXpirit_`	`ntz, well i have it show as a list`
`15:10.09`	`BlaXpirit_`	`ntz, just look at the wrench topright`
`15:10.52`	`ntz`	`o.O`
`15:11.10`	`ntz`	`there's no way to make it "alphabetical in horizontal lines" ...`
`15:11.18`	`ntz`	`or at least I don't see it ..`
`15:11.48`	`BlaXpirit_`	`maybe, maybe`
`15:12.12`	`BlaXpirit_`	`that's probably because it's a bad idea anyway`
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`15:13.27`	`ntz`	`what ?`
`15:13.38`	`AndrzejL`	`guys I've just upgraded kde4 from arch repo and I see that some stuff is messed up`
`15:13.53`	`AndrzejL`	`like konsole that does not take colors properly`
`15:14.01`	`AndrzejL`	`but the curious thing is this`
`15:14.02`	`AndrzejL`	`https://andrzejl.eu:30303/AndrzejL/AndrzejL_ArchLinux_Screenshot_2015.01.24_14.57.10.png`
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`15:14.10`	`ntz`	`default sort order in kde (dolphin) is horizontal lines .. vertical colums are only in this kde dialog for 3rd party apps`
`15:14.23`	`AndrzejL`	`it pops up when I am opening links in the terminal from my shell`
`15:14.39`	`AndrzejL`	`can I ask what that is and why is it there and how to get rid of it?`
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`15:16.48`	`BlaXpirit_`	`damn, AndrzejL`
`15:17.32`	`BlaXpirit_`	`just upgraded`
`15:17.35`	`BlaXpirit_`	`here goes nothing`
`15:17.39`	`BlaXpirit_`	`restarts`
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`15:19.42`	`BlaXpirit`	`no, AndrzejL, i don't have this problem`
`15:19.47`	`BlaXpirit`	`maybe u need to restart?`
`15:25.11`	`AndrzejL`	`rebooted twice...`
`15:25.40`	`BlaXpirit`	`bad news, AndrzejL. arch has pushed a mix of KDE4 and KDE5 upon us`
`15:26.02`	`AndrzejL`	`oh yeah`
`15:26.05`	`BlaXpirit`	`but i don't at least have this particular problem with links`
`15:26.30`	`AndrzejL`	`opening the links in irssi over ssh?`
`15:26.33`	`AndrzejL`	`:)`
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`15:30.56`	`BlaXpirit`	`kde 5 sucks`
`15:31.01`	`BlaXpirit`	`never thought i'd say this`
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`15:31.32`	`Papierkorb`	`Anyone using ArchLinux in here? pacman wants me to replace kactivities4: ":: kactivities-frameworks and kactivities4 are in conflict. Remove kactivities4? [y/N]". What's going on?`
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`15:31.38`	`BlaXpirit`	`Papierkorb, don't do it`
`15:31.40`	`BlaXpirit`	`lol`
`15:31.44`	`BlaXpirit`	`what's going on is`
`15:31.50`	`BlaXpirit`	`[:24:59] <BlaXpirit> arch has pushed a mix of KDE4 and KDE5 upon us`
`15:31.51`	`AndrzejL`	`i was saying the same thing when kde4 was replacing kde3`
`15:31.54`	`Papierkorb`	`it's crying for breaking things`
`15:31.59`	`ShalokShalom`	`hi there, i want that dolphin opens automaticly, when i plug in an external media store`
`15:32.06`	`BlaXpirit`	`Papierkorb, oh things work, sure`
`15:32.09`	`AndrzejL`	`give it time`
`15:32.12`	`BlaXpirit`	`but you get a mix of kde 4 and kde 5`
`15:32.23`	`bshah`	`Papierkorb: its totally safe to replace kactivities4 with kactivities-frameworks`
`15:32.24`	`Papierkorb`	`obviously, not everything has been ported yet`
`15:32.36`	`BlaXpirit`	`bshah, no`
`15:32.42`	`ShalokShalom`	`Papierkorb: What do you miss ?`
`15:32.43`	`bshah`	`BlaXpirit: :O`
`15:32.44`	`BlaXpirit`	`you already cost me too much`
`15:33.05`	`leszek`	`hi`
`15:33.06`	`Papierkorb`	`ShalokShalom: not using KF5 yet, just what I read when I stumble across some KDE devs' blog`
`15:33.20`	`ShalokShalom`	`ah, ok`
`15:33.37`	`BlaXpirit`	`Arch Linux is pushing parts of KDE 5 upon us. I have upgraded, and some of my applications look piss-poor, settings are reset, etc`
`15:33.39`	`bshah`	`BlaXpirit: kactivities is just dameon and it is safe to replace it`
`15:33.47`	`ShalokShalom`	`KaOS means, all important things are already ported.`
`15:33.48`	`bshah`	`<-- reference myself kde dev`
`15:34.02`	`BlaXpirit`	`ok, bshah, the fact itself may be safe`
`15:34.12`	`BlaXpirit`	`but it also means replacing parts of KDE4 with KDE5, as simple as that`
`15:34.13`	`Papierkorb`	`Though what I need is: Konversation, Okteta, KCharSelect, KColorChooser, and working settings stuff with semantic desktop stuff disabled.`
`15:34.19`	`BlaXpirit`	`and it's not an accident`
`15:34.33`	`BlaXpirit`	`Papierkorb, well, okteta is Qt 5`
`15:34.34`	`ShalokShalom`	`mix KDE SC 4 with KF5 applications can break things`
`15:34.45`	`BlaXpirit`	`and yet, that's what Arch forces right now`
`15:34.55`	`BlaXpirit`	`if I knew this, I wouldn't have upgraded for sure`
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`15:35.02`	`Papierkorb`	`BlaXpirit: well that's the fault of the Arch package guys :)`
`15:35.07`	`bshah`	`I would suggest to report whats broken`
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`15:35.23`	`BluesKaj`	`does arch use ppas ?`
`15:35.31`	`ShalokShalom`	`haha`
`15:35.31`	`Papierkorb`	`BluesKaj: thank god no, it doesn't`
`15:35.33`	`bshah`	`!troll`
`15:36.00`	`Papierkorb`	`ShalokShalom: Guessed so, then I'll wait some more time on upgrading`
`15:36.08`	`ShalokShalom`	`yes, ofc`
`15:36.11`	`BluesKaj`	`Papierkorb, well it might help in this case , mixing plasma4 and KF5 looks like trouble to me`
`15:36.14`	`BlaXpirit`	`i wonder what should i do to make Qt 5 applications not look so ugly (probably default Qt 5 theme)`
`15:36.17`	`ShalokShalom`	`KaOS will upgrade in end of feb`
`15:36.48`	`rdieter`	`ShalokShalom: "mix KDE SC 4 with KF5 applications can break things" => why?`
`15:37.03`	`BlaXpirit`	`if i have my system font set to one thing, then why the heck do KDE 5 applications use that stupid Oxygen font?`
`15:37.09`	`ShalokShalom`	`kdelibs 4.14.xx does not conflict in any way with frameworks 5/plasma 5`
`15:37.18`	`ShalokShalom`	`more libs break the stuff`
`15:37.30`	`BlaXpirit`	`in fact, Oxygen is used for english letters and normal font for my language`
`15:37.34`	`ShalokShalom`	`rdieter: expierience :D`
`15:37.35`	`BlaXpirit`	`because Oxygen is unfinished -_-`
`15:37.49`	`rdieter`	`ShalokShalom: then say "for me", because it's not true in general`
`15:37.59`	`AndrzejL`	`BlaXpirit: I lost my color scheme and settings for Konsole / Kwrite and Kate. Beside this I got this weirdo transfering pop-up.`
`15:38.04`	`rdieter`	`or give evidence, details please`
`15:38.09`	`ShalokShalom`	`read above`
`15:38.19`	`Papierkorb`	`But good question. Will the Oxygen icon theme be available in KF5? I don't want flat icons`
`15:38.22`	`BlaXpirit`	`yes, AndrzejL, but how do these applications look? did the theme break?`
`15:38.27`	`ShalokShalom`	`it is`
`15:38.30`	`rdieter`	`ShalokShalom: the stuff being described is not due to a bad mixture of kde4/kf5`
`15:38.33`	`ShalokShalom`	`Papierkorb: ^^`
`15:38.39`	`BlaXpirit`	`Papierkorb, well i'm using KF5 Kate with Oxygen icons ffs`
`15:38.47`	`Papierkorb`	`I still think that Oxygen is the best theme I've ever seen or had the pleasure to use, kudos to the designers`
`15:38.48`	`ShalokShalom`	`which stuff ?`
`15:38.56`	`ShalokShalom`	`maybe i come to late into the room`
`15:39.37`	`rdieter`	`ShalokShalom: you claim the mixture of kde4 with kf5 apps breaks things, and I disagree with that assertion. If things are broken, it is not due to mixing`
`15:39.38`	`Papierkorb`	`And I don't know about the rest of the world, but I have a TrueColor monitor, I can actually see colors, no need to dumb it down so the last three monochrome users have something that doesn't look like it's from the last century`
`15:39.38`	`AndrzejL`	`BlaXpirit: yeah I think those three apps are kde4 which means they are still qt4 based and the rest is moved to kde5 - qt5 based (or possibly its the other way around)`
`15:40.01`	`BlaXpirit`	`AndrzejL, actually KDE 5 apps look ugly`
`15:40.12`	`BlaXpirit`	`only some apps use Qt 5 now`
`15:40.14`	`ShalokShalom`	`the mixture of plasma 5 and KDE SC 4`
`15:40.17`	`BlaXpirit`	`no`
`15:40.31`	`BlaXpirit`	`mixture of Plasma 4 and some KF5-Qt5 apps`
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`15:40.59`	`ShalokShalom`	`i mean rdieter`
`15:41.50`	`ShalokShalom`	`anyway: i want, that dolphin opens my usb stick, when i plug him into my computer`
`15:42.25`	`AndrzejL`	`LOL`
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`15:42.38`	`AndrzejL`	`if gwenview is in window mode the right click menu is white`
`15:42.41`	`AndrzejL`	`BUT`
`15:42.47`	`rdieter`	`ShalokShalom: close enough, it's still wrong :-/`
`15:42.54`	`AndrzejL`	`if I double click on it and make it full screen - its black`
`15:43.06`	`AndrzejL`	`err I mean afroamerican`
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`15:43.21`	`ShalokShalom`	`rdieter: so you can mix 4 with 5 and all works fine ?`
`15:43.35`	`BlaXpirit`	`ShalokShalom, aren't you listening`
`15:43.45`	`BlaXpirit`	`Arch forces you to mix`
`15:43.52`	`ShalokShalom`	`and ?`
`15:43.54`	`rdieter`	`ShalokShalom: in general, yes. depends on your definition of "Kde sc 4"`
`15:44.11`	`ShalokShalom`	`so test harder ;)`
`15:44.16`	`rdieter`	`ShalokShalom: in general, kde4 applications run fine under plasma5`
`15:44.30`	`ShalokShalom`	`yes, from 14.12`
`15:44.31`	`rdieter`	`and vice versa, kf5 applications, run fine under plasma4`
`15:44.51`	`BlaXpirit`	`rdieter, here I am running KF5 applications under plasma4`
`15:44.53`	`AndrzejL`	`ok let me show you something guys ;)`
`15:45.02`	`rdieter`	`BlaXpirit: good :)`
`15:45.03`	`BlaXpirit`	`and they use default Qt 5 theme and Oxygen font`
`15:45.03`	`ShalokShalom`	`and stuff like Calligra, when you build it just on the kdelibs 4.14`
`15:45.05`	`BlaXpirit`	`how do i fix this`
`15:45.22`	`BlaXpirit`	`where are the goddamn settings for KF5 applications`
`15:45.42`	`ShalokShalom`	`kde framework 5 system settings ? ^^`
`15:45.47`	`BlaXpirit`	`i dont have em`
`15:46.27`	`BlaXpirit`	`gawd the oxygen fonts are ugly`
`15:46.31`	`AndrzejL`	`Oh great!`
`15:46.33`	`rdieter`	`BlaXpirit: them your missing something, ask your distro`
`15:46.50`	`AndrzejL`	`I just realized I've lost all my "places" in dolphin too...`
`15:47.03`	`BlaXpirit`	`AndrzejL, I didn't, somehow :o`
`15:47.05`	`rdieter`	`s/them/then`
`15:47.17`	`BlaXpirit`	`Dolphin just hung up`
`15:47.55`	`rdieter`	`integration of kf5 apps into plasma5 isnt as polished as the other way around`
`15:47.58`	`ShalokShalom`	`AndrzejL: F9 ?`
`15:48.20`	`rdieter`	`err, ,, kf5 apps in plasma4 that is`
`15:48.41`	`rdieter`	`distros shipping that should be carefull to test and integrate`
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`15:49.07`	`ShalokShalom`	`you see a reason to mix them ?`
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`15:49.36`	`rdieter`	`ShalokShalom: who are you asking?`
`15:49.41`	`ShalokShalom`	`you :)`
`15:49.43`	`ShalokShalom`	`all :P`
`15:49.44`	`AndrzejL`	`ShalokShalom: hehe well no - It didnt hid away from me - I lost everything that I've added by hand. All the fish:// places webdav:// places and so on...`
`15:49.52`	`ShalokShalom`	`ah, ok`
`15:49.54`	`rdieter`	`if me, I'd suggest no, not withtout a lot of testing and careful consdieration`
`15:50.04`	`rdieter`	`(minus my typos)`
`15:50.28`	`AndrzejL`	`Look at how different konsole look when compared to other apps`
`15:50.29`	`AndrzejL`	`https://andrzejl.eu:30303/AndrzejL/AndrzejL_ArchLinux_Screenshot_2015.01.24_15.45.51.png`
`15:50.32`	`rdieter`	`ShalokShalom: in particular, I mean kf5 apps that replace older kde4 ones at least`
`15:50.33`	`ShalokShalom`	`alone the RAM usage`
`15:51.03`	`AndrzejL`	`and it possibly wouldnt bother me... but I have OCD`
`15:51.06`	`BlaXpirit`	`AndrzejL, something went very different with your upgrade than min`
`15:51.08`	`BlaXpirit`	`e`
`15:51.22`	`BlaXpirit`	`you seem to have gotten much more KF5 than I have`
`15:51.29`	`AndrzejL`	`ok more upgrades...`
`15:51.39`	`AndrzejL`	`ah nm`
`15:51.41`	`BlaXpirit`	`Konsole is KDE4`
`15:51.55`	`ShalokShalom`	`AndrzejL: what do you use for IRC ? :)`
`15:51.56`	`AndrzejL`	`KDE - Be Free!`
`15:51.59`	`BlaXpirit`	`but I have Dolphin KDE4 here too!`
`15:51.59`	`AndrzejL`	`Frameworks Version 5.6.0`
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`15:52.13`	`AndrzejL`	`Konsole`
`15:52.13`	`AndrzejL`	`Version 3.0.1`
`15:52.14`	`AndrzejL`	`Using KDE Frameworks 5.6.0`
`15:52.29`	`BlaXpirit`	`weeeird`
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`15:52.49`	`BlaXpirit`	`maybe you voluntarily upgraded to KF5, who knows`
`15:53.07`	`AndrzejL`	`BlaXpirit: did You got the "Do You want to replace konsole with extra/konsole" question during upgrade?`
`15:53.11`	`BlaXpirit`	`no`
`15:53.20`	`AndrzejL`	`and for kate / gwenview?`
`15:53.23`	`AndrzejL`	`kwrite?`
`15:53.36`	`BlaXpirit`	`AndrzejL, nvm, I did`
`15:53.42`	`AndrzejL`	`ah ok`
`15:53.47`	`ShalokShalom`	`AndrzejL: what do you use for IRC ? :) i mean which program :)`
`15:53.50`	`BlaXpirit`	`I have no idea`
`15:54.00`	`BlaXpirit`	`what's going on. because my Konsole says it uses KDE 4`
`15:54.01`	`ShalokShalom`	`on Konsole ?`
`15:54.08`	`AndrzejL`	`I use IRSSI :)`
`15:54.14`	`ShalokShalom`	`ah fine, thanks :)`
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`15:57.11`	`stikonas`	`Hi, does anybody know why all icons could disappear from Plasma 5 system tray`
`15:57.22`	`stikonas`	`(except for embedded plasmoids)`
`15:57.57`	`AndrzejL`	`https://andrzejl.eu:30303/AndrzejL/AndrzejL_ArchLinux_Screenshot_2015.01.24_15.56.44.png`
`15:59.19`	`BlaXpirit`	`AndrzejL, :(`
`15:59.55`	`BlaXpirit`	`oh god`
`16:00.00`	`BlaXpirit`	`Dolphin keeps freezing`
`16:00.01`	`AndrzejL`	`yes?`
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`16:00.05`	`AndrzejL`	`ah`
`16:00.18`	`AndrzejL`	`You said Oh god`
`16:00.22`	`AndrzejL`	`and I am incognito`
`16:00.28`	`AndrzejL`	`thought You've recognized me`
`16:00.30`	`AndrzejL`	`:P`
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`16:01.13`	`AndrzejL`	`its not freezing here`
`16:01.21`	`ShalokShalom`	`AndrzejL: ask in #konsole ?`
`16:01.33`	`BlaXpirit`	`no, it's not about konsole`
`16:01.46`	`AndrzejL`	`Is there a specific channel? Oh ok...`
`16:01.53`	`ShalokShalom`	`i think so`
`16:02.00`	`AndrzejL`	`Heyyy`
`16:02.05`	`AndrzejL`	`Nope`
`16:02.08`	`AndrzejL`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:02.10`	`p4ddY`	`hi there, just upgraded kde to 14.12.1. most apps look fine (such as kate). konsole however looks completely broken. ignores my colorscheme, ignores my icon theme and "forgot" all its settings. any idea why that is happening?!`
`16:02.15`	`AndrzejL`	`took me to empty room`
`16:02.35`	`BlaXpirit`	`lol p4ddY welcome to the club`
`16:02.39`	`BlaXpirit`	`Arch betrayed us`
`16:02.49`	`p4ddY`	`:s`
`16:03.07`	`BlaXpirit`	`you're using KF5 now, congrats`
`16:03.14`	`AndrzejL`	`p4ddY: yeah welcome to the club`
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`16:04.40`	`p4ddY`	`is this an upstream issue or is archlinux's package broken?`
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`16:04.59`	`AndrzejL`	`not sure yet...`
`16:05.19`	`ShalokShalom`	`can anybody help me to auto launch dolphin in the specific folder, when i plug in a external media drive/stick ?`
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`16:06.10`	`jigsawFE`	`After upgrading kapplications on archlinux I noticed that the configs were not preserved`
`16:06.50`	`ShalokShalom`	`wait: archlinux ship kf5 already by default ?`
`16:06.51`	`AndrzejL`	`haha jigsawFE welcome to the club`
`16:06.56`	`ShalokShalom`	`in the stable branch ?`
`16:06.57`	`AndrzejL`	`there are 4 of us here now`
`16:07.29`	`AndrzejL`	`well I am not using testing`
`16:07.32`	`ShalokShalom`	`tzz`
`16:07.41`	`AndrzejL`	`so whatever came in - came in from stable repo`
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`16:07.51`	`ShalokShalom`	`lol`
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`16:08.36`	`ShalokShalom`	`hi demm :)`
`16:08.49`	`jigsawFE`	`AndrzejL, Did you install kf5 yet?`
`16:09.02`	`p4ddY`	`using core repository as well`
`16:09.07`	`demm`	`hi ShalokShalom`
`16:09.54`	`AndrzejL`	`[root@wishmasus andrzejl]# pacman -Q \| grep -i kf5`
`16:09.58`	`AndrzejL`	`thats a nope`
`16:10.15`	`AndrzejL`	`I just upgraded whatever I had`
`16:10.15`	`p4ddY`	`same for me`
`16:11.27`	`jigsawFE`	`I am also hesistant to install kf5 on my desktop, because on my laptop not everything worked yet with kf5 like icons for applications or zooming`
`16:11.39`	`jigsawFE`	`+tray`
`16:11.54`	`BlaXpirit`	`such a beautiful combination of fonts, wow`
`16:11.56`	`BlaXpirit`	`http://i.imgur.com/tpF4nmM.png`
`16:12.18`	`p4ddY`	`meh, konsole does not even use my default browser to open links`
`16:12.41`	`p4ddY`	`oh, gwenview ignores my settings as well`
`16:13.02`	`jigsawFE`	`BlaXpirit, is that kf5 or kde4`
`16:13.12`	`BlaXpirit`	`it's a bloody combination of both`
`16:13.12`	`jigsawFE`	`oh kf5`
`16:13.16`	`BlaXpirit`	`that Arch pushed upon me`
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`16:13.31`	`BlaXpirit`	`it doesn't use my system font settings, anyway`
`16:13.58`	`BlaXpirit`	`stupid mix of Oxygen font for english letters and system font for the rest, because Oxygen is not a serious font`
`16:14.50`	`BlaXpirit`	`gonna get back to work on that rollback script`
`16:14.58`	`AndrzejL`	`:D`
`16:15.01`	`AndrzejL`	`chicken :P`
`16:15.04`	`AndrzejL`	`LOL`
`16:15.25`	`AndrzejL`	`sorry couldnt help it :P`
`16:15.40`	`AndrzejL`	`I am gonna ride it out`
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`16:16.07`	`ShalokShalom`	`redobackup is awesome :)`
`16:16.28`	`BlaXpirit`	`i probably could find a solution with more searching, but gonna make one for fun -_-`
`16:17.33`	`AndrzejL`	`use arch arm`
`16:17.39`	`AndrzejL`	`and no not the architecture`
`16:17.44`	`AndrzejL`	`arch rollback machine`
`16:17.46`	`AndrzejL`	`;)`
`16:18.46`	`p4ddY`	`rolling back will be quite tricky`
`16:18.52`	`p4ddY`	`since there are so many packages involved`
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`16:27.00`	`BlaXpirit`	`seems legit https://paste.kde.org/pcuqu0uw9`
`16:27.32`	`Papierkorb`	`Quick question, KDE libraries are released under the LGPL, correct?`
`16:27.34`	`p4ddY`	`AndrzejL, BlaXpirit: the terminal-widget in dolphin still remembers my konsole settings`
`16:27.42`	`BlaXpirit`	`p4ddY, dolphin uses KDE4`
`16:27.48`	`BlaXpirit`	`makes sense`
`16:27.59`	`Papierkorb`	`And, LGPLv2 or LGPLv3, with or without the "or later versions" clause?`
`16:30.32`	`rindolf`	`Papierkorb: LPGLv2-or-later.`
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`16:40.44`	`BlaXpirit`	`yeah, more conflicts than i expected, but i'm still doin it`
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`16:42.34`	`quinor`	`hey, I've got a problem with plasma next/panels`
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`16:43.34`	`quinor`	`automatically hidden panel doesn't work properly, its glow is of wrong size and it requires to push mouse onto the bottom edge of screen to appear`
`16:44.18`	`quinor`	`it looks like that: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64607958/plasma_next_autohide.jpg`
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`16:44.35`	`quinor`	`could you help mi with resolving that or tell where to submit bug report?`
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`16:45.53`	`BlaXpirit`	`guys, i'm back in KDE 4, and it's more glorious than ever`
`16:46.36`	`p4ddY`	`too bad, i've cleared my pacman cache`
`16:47.35`	`BlaXpirit`	`facepalm`
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`16:49.46`	`Nytram`	`I asked this on Kubuntu but got no answers (yet)... Is there a fix for intermittantly disappearing icons in KDE4 (KUbuntu 14.10)? The only way I know so far to get them back is to switch from folder to default desktop view then back again.`
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`16:53.48`	`rdieter`	`Nytram: iirc, that bug was fixed, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294795`
`16:54.13`	`rdieter`	`Nytram: what version of kde-baseapps do you have installed? (the fix was included in 4.14.2 release)`
`16:55.09`	`Nytram`	`Oh! I don't know... I just installed Kubuntu 14.10 from their website 2 days ago.`
`16:55.44`	`Nytram`	`Can you show me the command to run please?`
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`16:56.20`	`BlaXpirit`	`damn, my passwords have been forgotten`
`16:56.27`	`rdieter`	`Nytram: kde4-config --kde-version`
`16:56.42`	`rdieter`	`Nytram: did you install updates?`
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`16:57.13`	`rdieter`	`I'd guess the fix was not included in the initial release`
`16:58.22`	`Nytram`	`I'm running 4.14.2`
`16:59.41`	`rdieter`	`Nytram: assuming what you describe matches the bug I referenced?`
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`17:00.32`	`Nytram`	`Besides the scrollbar (I don't have one visible) the temporary fix the OP described is the same.`
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`17:01.10`	`Nytram`	`I've googled it but as expected all the fixes are years old`
`17:02.07`	`rdieter`	`Nytram: kde-4.14.3 was released in the meantime, as mentioned, I'd suggest you install distro updates`
`17:02.27`	`rdieter`	`or wait for your distro channel to respond`
`17:03.02`	`AndrzejL`	`guys where is dolphing keeping all its settings?`
`17:03.09`	`AndrzejL`	`Menu bar icons / places...`
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`17:03.19`	`Nytram`	`Still no response from the KUbuntu channel. I guess I'll try some of the more recent fixes and see what happens. If it fails I can always try plasma. :P`
`17:04.26`	`AndrzejL`	`p4ddY: funny when I press f4 in dolphin I dont get the konsole. Just a grey box ;)`
`17:04.29`	`rdieter`	`AndrzejL: some combination of ~/.kde/share/apps/dolphin/ and ~/.kde/share/config/dolphinrc`
`17:04.58`	`rdieter`	`(these are only settings that vary from defaults, mind you)`
`17:04.59`	`AndrzejL`	`rdieter: thanks I will check and recover from it...`
`17:06.10`	`quinor`	`hey, I've got some problems with new plasma-next and autohide panels: their shadow behaves like this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64607958/plasma_next_autohide.jpg , animation doesn't trigger properly and whole thing is broken. Where to post it?`
`17:07.11`	`AndrzejL`	`eh so that took me... nowhere`
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`17:15.09`	`quinor`	`damn`
`17:15.31`	`ShalokShalom`	`? :)`
`17:15.49`	`quinor`	`connection broke :/`
`17:15.52`	`quinor`	`nvm`
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`17:38.50`	`AndrzejL`	`Could not start process Unable to create io-slave:`
`17:38.50`	`AndrzejL`	`klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'fish'.`
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`17:53.40`	`AndrzejL`	`Oh`
`17:53.43`	`AndrzejL`	`Awesome`
`17:53.46`	`AndrzejL`	`desktop effects stopped working on konsole!`
`17:53.48`	`AndrzejL`	`it used to be transparent`
`17:53.52`	`AndrzejL`	`now it aint`
`17:53.53`	`ShalokShalom`	`bye :)`
`17:54.02`	`AndrzejL`	`RIP...`
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`18:16.53`	`AndrzejL`	`well it was not a total disaster`
`18:16.57`	`AndrzejL`	`system booted up`
`18:17.00`	`AndrzejL`	`;)`
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`18:17.26`	`AndrzejL`	`there's like 30 or 40 things wrong with it... but it booted up :P`
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`18:21.47`	`AndrzejL`	`Oh I dont believe it`
`18:21.49`	`AndrzejL`	`;D`
`18:21.53`	`AndrzejL`	`Now links like`
`18:22.08`	`AndrzejL`	`http://i1.kwejk.pl/k/obrazki/2015/01/8ceb06bd142e8f9b3c02c68222d732d4.png`
`18:22.16`	`AndrzejL`	`are opened directly in... gwenview`
`18:22.21`	`AndrzejL`	`BUAHAHAHA`
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`18:27.44`	`Leoneof`	`AndrzejL: are you ok? :)`
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`18:28.00`	`Olgierd`	`AndrzejL: there is a toggle for that in default programs`
`18:36.28`	`AndrzejL`	`Leoneof: I wish i could say that I am`
`18:36.41`	`AndrzejL`	`but I am just pretty dang upset...`
`18:37.47`	`AndrzejL`	`Olgierd: I dont see it in the systemsettings in the default apps / browser`
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`18:38.21`	`AndrzejL`	`Lost months of personalizations / configurations`
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`18:38.54`	`BlaXpirit`	`hey, at least you didn't go to complain to #archlinux like i did`
`18:39.03`	`BlaXpirit`	`oh the names i was called`
`18:39.06`	`AndrzejL`	`Oh dude...`
`18:39.14`	`AndrzejL`	`thats such a rookie mistake...`
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`18:39.48`	`AndrzejL`	`Those guys are just waiting in there to "help" you`
`18:39.52`	`BlaXpirit`	`i'm very happy that i did the downgrade`
`18:40.04`	`AndrzejL`	`Ok`
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`18:40.12`	`AndrzejL`	`I might have to do it myself`
`18:40.20`	`AndrzejL`	`but I dont really want to`
`18:40.37`	`BlaXpirit`	`well of course it's sad - not being able to update the system >_>`
`18:40.43`	`AndrzejL`	`but then I know that if I wont - this thing is gonna just wreck my head`
`18:40.47`	`BlaXpirit`	`this has never happened to me`
`18:41.15`	`AndrzejL`	`And its not the first time`
`18:41.26`	`AndrzejL`	`but previously the damage was much much smaller`
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`18:46.53`	`AndrzejL`	`https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=192658`
`18:46.55`	`AndrzejL`	`:)`
`18:46.59`	`AndrzejL`	`fun fun fun`
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`18:47.48`	`BlaXpirit`	`sad thing is, #kde is gonna have to hear about all this "fun"`
`18:48.00`	`BlaXpirit`	`it's just the beginning`
`18:48.17`	`AndrzejL`	`Oh definitelly`
`18:48.18`	`BlaXpirit`	`everyone's system gets broken in different ways, too`
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`18:52.47`	`Leoneof`	`AndrzejL: use decent distro, like debian :)`
`18:55.17`	`BlaXpirit`	`and stay on kde4 until 2018`
`18:55.34`	`BlaXpirit`	`(arbitrary number, but not too far-fetched)`
`18:57.00`	`AndrzejL`	`Leoneof: thanks but no thanks ;D`
`18:57.05`	`Leoneof`	`i'm using Debian Testing, KDE 4.14.2`
`18:57.15`	`AndrzejL`	`Oh man...`
`18:57.23`	`Leoneof`	`AndrzejL: well, keep moaning`
`18:57.36`	`AndrzejL`	`ARM not working with 2015 packages?! :D`
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`18:58.09`	`Leoneof`	`ARM?`
`18:58.22`	`AndrzejL`	`arch rollback machine`
`18:58.26`	`AndrzejL`	`I think I got it`
`18:58.55`	`AndrzejL`	`yeah I got it ;)`
`18:59.05`	`Leoneof`	`what you got it`
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`19:30.58`	`AndrzejL`	`Leoneof: I will know after the upgrade but I think I may have fixed it...`
`19:31.04`	`AndrzejL`	`as in downgraded`
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`19:32.22`	`Leoneof`	`AndrzejL: what's your kde version? 5? :)`
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`19:41.54`	`AndrzejL`	`Ok downgraded to the previous version`
`19:41.57`	`AndrzejL`	`yeah kde4`
`19:42.09`	`AndrzejL`	`it was kde5 till few mins ago`
`19:42.10`	`BlaXpirit`	`yay grats`
`19:42.16`	`BlaXpirit`	`...`
`19:42.22`	`AndrzejL`	`;)`
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`19:52.49`	`throwthecheese`	`There are problems with the Hungarian instruction set in KTurtle`
`19:53.49`	`BlaXpirit`	`ok`
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`20:31.10`	`CosmicLogick`	`i have a strange problem effecting wine windows only, but it's a kde issue, or kde setting issue (i tested with gnome, lxde, and xfce - does not have this issue)`
`20:31.47`	`CosmicLogick`	`a portion of the right hand side of the window is not responsive to the mouse`
`20:32.14`	`CosmicLogick`	`and if a wine window is resized and dragged to that portion`
`20:32.26`	`CosmicLogick`	`it remains visible, but not accessible`
`20:32.39`	`CosmicLogick`	`any idea where the problem could be?`
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`20:40.12`	`CosmicLogick`	`hi`
`20:40.36`	`RGeri77`	`I use KDE4.14.3 included in Fedora 21. I get the notificatons window always in the middle of the screen.`
`20:40.43`	`RGeri77`	`Can I configure the position ?`
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`20:42.31`	`RGeri77`	`like this: http://www.kepfeltoltes.hu/view/150124/kde_notifications_01_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg`
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`21:19.36`	`dbz2k_`	`I got an issue docky will not match my icon theme :(`
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`22:36.11`	`arvut`	`hey, has the display config changed so that you can't change the positioning and clone/extend options for screens in the Display Configuration 4.14.3?`
`22:37.37`	`thiago`	`not that I could notice`
`22:37.41`	`thiago`	`I'm using 4.14.3`
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`22:38.54`	`arvut`	`it used to have options for configuring the Absolute and Cloned output`
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`22:39.54`	`thiago`	`still does here`
`22:40.03`	`arvut`	`now they are melting together so they are acting as one big screen, a 40" 1080 tv and a 21.5" 1080 becomes 1920x2160`
`22:40.09`	`arvut`	`hmm`
`22:40.40`	`thiago`	`when you maximise a window, does it occupy both screens?`
`22:41.33`	`arvut`	`yes`
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`22:42.32`	`thiago`	`what video card and what driver?`
`22:43.18`	`arvut`	`funny thing, it worked before`
`22:43.24`	`arvut`	`and no kernel changes`
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`22:44.11`	`arvut`	`others in gentoo-hardened mentioned they had the same problem in kubuntu`
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`22:45.25`	`thiago`	`is it NVidia and their drivers?`
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`22:51.02`	`arvut`	`radeon open source for a hd 6950 card`
`22:53.39`	`arvut`	`so well, here is what it looks like this is two screens set up in a grid, you can see how the desktop background is centered between the screens http://i.imgur.com/6UM9sSy.jpg`
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`22:57.01`	`thiago`	`I haven't had an ATI card for too long, I have no clue about the state of their drivers`
`22:57.12`	`Stallmanu`	`HEy guys, is there any way to change the units used by KSysGuard in the "System Load" tab?`
`22:57.18`	`thiago`	`but with NVidia, you had to be looking at the screen when you plug the extra monitor`
`22:57.31`	`thiago`	`otherwise, it would detect as one very big screen`
`22:57.35`	`Stallmanu`	`It doesnt seem to matter what I use in system settings`
`22:57.39`	`rdieter`	`Stallmanu: right click the top of the tab`
`22:57.40`	`arvut`	`it seems its something related to kscreen vs kscreen2?`
`22:58.13`	`Stallmanu`	`rdieter: no menu pops up ._.`
`22:58.40`	`rdieter`	`Stallmanu: nvm, I thought you were talking about system activity`
`22:58.45`	`Stallmanu`	`:P`
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`23:01.15`	`arvut`	`ah`
`23:01.51`	`arvut`	`nope`
`23:02.23`	`arvut`	`when I connect the new screen while the Display and Monitor is running, it goes back to whatever it was before, merging into one big screen`
`23:02.59`	`arvut`	`can I change so that it loads kscreen instead of kscreen2?`
`23:03.34`	`thiago`	`no`
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`23:03.45`	`thiago`	`run xrandr on the console. Do you see both screens?`
`23:05.23`	`arvut`	`yep`
`23:06.19`	`thiago`	`set it to cloned mode in the screen configuration in KDE, then try using xrandr to set to your preferred config`
`23:06.22`	`thiago`	`see if it sticks`
`23:07.09`	`arvut`	`it finds screen :0 and its 3840x1080 atm`
`23:07.17`	`arvut`	`here is how its configured`
`23:07.27`	`arvut`	`https://bpaste.net/show/816513540660`
`23:08.04`	`thiago`	`so, try what I suggested`
`23:08.54`	`arvut`	`where do I set it to cloned?`
`23:09.03`	`arvut`	`or rather, how`
`23:09.11`	`thiago`	`move one screen on top of the other`
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`23:09.21`	`arvut`	`ah`
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`23:10.37`	`arvut`	`well, cloning worked`
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`23:10.47`	`arvut`	`I'd rather set the position by numbers tho`
`23:12.32`	`thiago`	`try to set to your preferred config using xrandr now`
`23:12.37`	`thiago`	`kscreen2 will remember it`
`23:12.43`	`thiago`	`how do you prefer it?`
`23:13.11`	`arvut`	`x2 1080 but as separate screens, so I want screen :0 and :1`
`23:13.28`	`arvut`	`you telling me that kscreen2 can't do this?`
`23:13.33`	`thiago`	`no`
`23:13.41`	`thiago`	`I'm telling you KDE can't do that and hasn't been able to do that since 4.0`
`23:13.48`	`arvut`	`hmm`
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`23:13.54`	`thiago`	`you need to start two X servers`
`23:13.54`	`arvut`	`I've done it all year`
`23:13.57`	`thiago`	`one one each display`
`23:14.01`	`arvut`	`oh`
`23:14.08`	`thiago`	`two mice and two keyboards too`
`23:14.13`	`arvut`	`hmm`
`23:14.15`	`thiago`	`you can't move your mouse between one screen and the other`
`23:14.30`	`thiago`	`I doubt that's what you want`
`23:14.34`	`arvut`	`right`
`23:14.41`	`thiago`	`describe what you want, because it sure isn't screen :1`
`23:14.52`	`thiago`	`maybe you meant screen :0.1`
`23:15.00`	`arvut`	`that sounds about right`
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`23:15.28`	`thiago`	`describe what you want to see`
`23:15.29`	`arvut`	`also, can I configure xrandr to display one of the virtual desktops instead?`
`23:15.32`	`thiago`	`and how it should be have`
`23:15.37`	`thiago`	`no`
`23:15.42`	`thiago`	`kwin doesn't possess that functionality`
`23:15.53`	`arvut`	`just two screens, next to eachother so I can work with two fullscreen environments`
`23:15.55`	`thiago`	`the virtual desktops apply to all screens`
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`23:15.58`	`thiago`	`ok`
`23:16.14`	`arvut`	`I guess thats :0.0 and :0.1`
`23:16.21`	`thiago`	`and when you maximise a window, it should occupy only one display, right?`
`23:16.26`	`arvut`	`yead`
`23:16.28`	`arvut`	`h`
`23:16.43`	`thiago`	`ok, one last question: do you want to have the possibility to move windows from one to the other?`
`23:17.02`	`arvut`	`there used to be menus for that in the screen config tool for kde, they are gone now tho`
`23:17.14`	`arvut`	`oh yeah, I do that all the time`
`23:17.44`	`arvut`	`I need to be able to maximize a mpv window on the tv, maximize firefox on the desktop screen`
`23:18.09`	`arvut`	`basicly what I've done so many times before`
`23:18.55`	`thiago`	`ok, so you want one X screen only (:0.0)`
`23:18.58`	`thiago`	`with multiple monitors`
`23:19.13`	`thiago`	`run this: xrandr --output HDMI-0 --right-of DVI-0`
`23:19.19`	`thiago`	`or --left-of, if that's what you prefer`
`23:19.35`	`thiago`	`kscreen is perfectly capable of that, btw`
`23:19.43`	`arvut`	`mine isn't`
`23:20.10`	`thiago`	`hmm... I have kscreen 1`
`23:20.16`	`arvut`	`yeah`
`23:20.18`	`thiago`	`maybe something is broken in 2`
`23:20.20`	`arvut`	`thats where the problem lies`
`23:20.32`	`arvut`	`I had kscreen 1 too before i think`
`23:20.41`	`arvut`	`it appears to be problematic for a lot of ppl`
`23:20.49`	`thiago`	`see if this xrandr command helps`
`23:20.55`	`arvut`	`I'll do, ty`
`23:21.04`	`thiago`	`if it's problematic for a lot of people, your distro shouldn't have upgraded you`
`23:21.26`	`arvut`	`nope`
`23:21.31`	`arvut`	`still same desktop layout`
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`23:24.43`	`thiago`	`try and maximise one screen`
`23:24.44`	`thiago`	`what happens?`
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`23:24.51`	`thiago`	`maximise one window, I mean`
`23:25.12`	`arvut`	`still 4k output`
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`23:26.15`	`thiago`	`right, but describe the behaviour`
`23:26.19`	`thiago`	`what happens that you don't want to happen?`
`23:26.47`	`arvut`	`the window maximizes on both screens, stretched`
`23:26.53`	`arvut`	`same with background`
`23:26.55`	`quinor`	`hey, could somebody explain to me how to change action on pressing power button in plasma-next?`
`23:26.57`	`arvut`	`so no change`
`23:29.39`	`thiago`	`arvut: again, last time this happened to me, it was a driver fault`
`23:29.55`	`thiago`	`so I'm out of ideas, short of restarting X to see if it fixes itself`
`23:30.06`	`thiago`	`wait, no`
`23:30.13`	`thiago`	`xrandr has the right information, it's kwin that isn't getting it`
`23:30.22`	`thiago`	`maybe logging off and back in will make kwin get the right info`
`23:30.44`	`thiago`	`but I don t know how else to help -- I have Intel GPUs only and I'm running kscreen 1`
`23:31.51`	`arvut`	`which version? 1.0.2.1?`
`23:32.07`	`thiago`	`1.0.71`
`23:32.23`	`arvut`	`thats newer, isn't it?`
`23:32.33`	`arvut`	`1.0.2.1 is what I have`
`23:32.34`	`thiago`	`than 1.0.2, yes`
`23:32.42`	`thiago`	`you said you had kscreen 2`
`23:32.52`	`arvut`	`thought so, appears I do not`
`23:33.11`	`arvut`	`was told it was a issue in kscreen2, so I assumed I had that version, just doublechecked`
`23:33.24`	`thiago`	`I don't think it is`
`23:33.30`	`thiago`	`xrandr has the right info, so kscreen should too`
`23:33.38`	`thiago`	`the problem isn't the screen config, it's what kwin does with it`
`23:34.17`	`thiago`	`it isn't getting that you have two monitors; it thinks you have one big and wide one`
`23:34.27`	`thiago`	`hence the stretched desktop and windows maximising on both`
`23:34.53`	`arvut`	`yeah`
`23:35.00`	`arvut`	`so its a kwin issue then?`
`23:35.19`	`arvut`	`but shouldn't I see the menus of the different position alternatives in kscreen?`
`23:36.12`	`thiago`	`there are no menus. You just move the screens around`
`23:36.19`	`thiago`	`the menus are for setting resolution and refresh rate`
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`23:37.18`	`arvut`	`there used to be menus for absolute positioning`
`23:37.41`	`arvut`	`in a sidepane next to the move-around part of the config`
`23:37.48`	`thiago`	`that was pre-kscreen`
`23:37.52`	`arvut`	`oh`
`23:37.56`	`arvut`	`what was that tool?`
`23:38.02`	`thiago`	`krandr`
`23:38.09`	`arvut`	`ah`
`23:38.10`	`thiago`	`it's broken and unmaintained`
`23:38.12`	`thiago`	`kscreen is the future`
`23:38.22`	`thiago`	`more importantly: it remembers your config per monitor you plug in`
`23:38.31`	`arvut`	`you don't say...`
`23:38.39`	`thiago`	`so it will remember what's supposed to be left, what's cloned, what's right, etc.`
`23:38.49`	`thiago`	`but again, this you're facing is not a kscreen issue, it's a kwin issue`
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`23:45.11`	`arvut`	`any idea how to get kwin to behave like it should then?`
`23:45.36`	`arvut`	`I might just switch back to krandr until kscreen is working, I need my dual outputs`
`23:47.10`	`thiago`	`have you logged off and back in?`
`23:47.36`	`arvut`	`I'll do that`
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`23:50.17`	`arvut`	`no change, it remembers the settings pretty well`
`23:50.42`	`arvut`	`atm xrandr is set to output DVI-0 connected primary 1920x1080+0+0`
`23:51.15`	`arvut`	`so the extra +0+0 is probably what I want to get rid of`
`23:51.41`	`thiago`	`you can't get rid of it`
`23:51.43`	`thiago`	`it's the position`
`23:51.48`	`arvut`	`while hdmi tv is 1920x1080+1920+0`
`23:51.51`	`arvut`	`right`
`23:52.04`	`thiago`	`what do you want it to be?`
`23:52.26`	`arvut`	`positions are good, just not as "current 3840x1080"`
`23:54.25`	`thiago`	`if you change that, you can't move windows across the monitors`
`23:54.35`	`thiago`	`as far as I can tell, your xrandr settings are correct`
`23:55.47`	`arvut`	`so no possible way of getting the monitors to be their own screens without removing the ability to move windows across screens?`
`23:55.56`	`arvut`	`or subscreen or whatever they are called`
`23:56.28`	`arvut`	`the .0 and .1 after the :0, it would do this, right?`
`23:56.46`	`arvut`	`is that btw how the workspaces are set up?`
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`23:58.31`	`thiago`	`yes, correct`
`23:58.47`	`thiago`	`if you have separate X screens (which no one uses), you can't move windows across`
`23:59.11`	`thiago`	`that's not how workspaces are set up. That's just the window manager's state changing.`
`23:59.24`	`thiago`	`it chooses what to show to you.`
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`23:59.39`	`arvut`	`hmm`
`23:59.59`	`arvut`	`so how did I have two different backgrounds for each monitor before? was is this krandr that did that?`

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