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02:20.10ryonalolican anyone help me troubleshoot kwallet no longer being able to open my .kwl files (not my current ones, which it decided to overwrite, or any from a backup 1 1/2 months ago)
02:21.03ryonaloliit's kde 4.13.2. kwalletd is 0.2, and kwalletmanager is 2.0
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02:26.37karthikpryonaloli: What happens when you try to import the old kwl file?
02:27.18ryonaloli"Error opening wallet"
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02:27.36karthikpI had to import a kwl file to synchronize my passwords across multiple machines. I don't recall any issues then.
02:27.42karthikpDoes it ask for a password (if any)?
02:27.52ryonaloliwhen i do "import wallet" on the wallet GUI, nothing happens
02:28.18ryonaloliit does not ask for a password becuase it cannot even open it
02:28.58ryonaloliwhat happened is, yesterday i opened kwallet, and it gave me the first start dialog, asking me to choose a gpg key, etc. and when i looked at my .kwl files, they were suddenly empty, so i had to take a month and a half old .kwl file from a backup
02:29.06karthikpMight help to try from the command line. kwalletmanager <wallet>
02:29.24ryonalolithat's what i'm doing
02:29.41ryonaloliif i use the gui, it won't let me import,. it literally ignores me trying to click import (or export, or import xml)
02:30.19ryonalolithe only buttons on the File dialog that even do anything are New Wallet, Delete Wallet, and Quit
02:31.17karthikpHuh. That's troubling. And the only backup you have goes back a month and a half and that's (apparently) corrupted...
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02:31.57ryonalolii don't think it's corrupted
02:32.01ryonalolibecause it worked back then
02:33.04karthikpRight, good point. In that case, it might be a simple fix: find a live CD from that time and load it up there.
02:33.12ryonalolii think it's kwallet that's malfunctioning
02:33.18karthikpYou could then export as XML and import into the current kwallet and life's good.
02:33.32ryonaloliunfortunately i don't have any live CDs that have a gpg-capable kwalet
02:33.35karthikpYeah, I agree. Perhaps something was updated in the time in between.
02:33.51ryonalolignupg was
02:34.17ryonalolihowever, when i downgraded to the previous gnupg, it still didn't work, so i think it was just coincidence
02:35.47ryonalolihm, i think i have an idea. does kwallet behave well if there's very bad disk lag?
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02:36.19karthikpDo you think you might be able to decrypt the kwl file using your gpg key (using gnupg) and then import that into kwallet?
02:36.44ryonaloliit doesn't give up on accessing a .kwl file and try to create a new one if it can't read it from the disk in a quick enough time, right? because for whatever reason (either a dying drive for ext4 being 99% full causing fragmentation), my disk is lagging horribly bad (e.g. right now my computer is fromzen and i'm typing into a frozen keyboard)
02:36.55thiago_kwallet has nothing to do with gpg
02:37.00ryonaloliwaitk is that possible? is the .kwl file in gpg format specifically?
02:37.10thiago_it isn't
02:37.11ryonalolithiago_: recent kwallet versions do use gpg for encryption
02:38.03thiago_ryonaloli: as in "after 4.13" ?
02:38.17ryonaloliyes. i'm using 4.13.2
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02:39.55thiagoI see it
02:40.02thiagobut that requires converting your wallet
02:40.06thiagoit won't do that automatically for you
02:40.38ryonalolii did convert it
02:40.48ryonaloliand it was all working, even with version 4.13.2, until just yesterday
02:41.13ryonaloliwhen it seemingly randomly thought i had no wallets and did the first time dialog, while deleting my kwl file (well, resetting it)
02:44.39thiagoanyway, it's still a binary file, even after decrypting it
02:45.14ryonaloliso?
02:45.48ryonalolii don't think the files are corrupt, just kwallet acting odd
02:46.16thiagoopen the manager and see if it shows anything
02:46.54ryonaloliit does, it shows my two wallets (although they were emptied. they do work now but they've been resest)
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02:48.14ryonalolihm, it looks like even the working wallets don't open if i try to use command line
02:48.18ryonalolisame error
02:51.22ryonalolibut the GUI doesn't allow me to import anything
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03:12.55ryonalolithiago: http://a.pomf.se/osbbje.ogv
03:13.06ryonalolithose are the buttons that aren't responding
03:13.22ryonalolii think it's related to kwallet somehow not being able to open .kwl files on command line, even ones that i know for a fact work
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05:14.18danikvsnQuick question, what is the purpose of activities in KDE?
05:14.58{|}danikvsn: If you happen to find out, let me know, will you?
05:15.33danikvsn{|}: well that's disheartening
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05:27.16Colloguyimmediately after triggering a hot corner, hot corners are disabled (e.g. in desktop grid). Is it possible to keep hot corners enabled?
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05:29.06Colloguyoops, nvm
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05:42.06ryonalolihm, i wonder what the purpose of activities is as well
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05:44.41Jucatonot sure if "activities" is a misnomer, but they really are about "activities". but maybe it's easier to think of them as "projects". they're not exactly desktops because the grouping you can do can go beyond virtual desktops. theoretically, you can "tag"/associate resources with an activity: windows, bookmarks, files, etc.
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05:47.49Jucatoimplementation, however, is not completely there yet
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07:20.53workerbeetwoI would need more width.
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07:48.57PapierkorbGood morning. I'm here on Ubuntu LTS 12.04, KDE 4.8.5 "latest" (ancient, but latest for ubuntu, meh). Problem I'm having is that when I delete the quickstart icons (Those in the window bar plasmoid), KDE will show them again on next boot which is quite annoying
07:49.05PapierkorbAny idea how I could fix that?
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10:15.36WalexPapierkorb: the Kubuntu PPA has 4.13 binary packages for Kubuntu 12.04
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11:40.48PapierkorbWalex: interesting, thanks, gonna have a look in the near future on that
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12:01.18trew_100hi all
12:01.33trew_100how i cen try next plasma?
12:01.43trew_100can i*
12:02.03trew_100my system is mint 16
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12:05.51trew_100i want thet next plasma install next to default kde
12:06.04trew_100the*
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12:16.19rdietertrew_100: they are generally not parallel-installable (by design, sorry).  at least not in the same prefix (/usr default)
12:16.51rdieterthere are some live images available from various sources
12:21.21kaantrew_100: http://community.kde.org/Plasma/InstallingNext#Kubuntu have a look at this
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12:47.06visceralSo what's the widget style to match Caledonia?
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15:29.38LapJupkmail is not sending mail. i can get the mail just not send it. any ideas/suggestions?
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15:40.44SpaceKookieI've been googling for a bit but couldn't find anything...are there any Calendar/ Contact applications for Linux that support CalDav/ CardDav sync? I'm using Owncloud for that. And I'm a bit shocked that there aren't a million Linux clients O.o
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15:43.00lordievaderGood afternoon.
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15:50.07JackWinteris there someway to make my laptop suspend on lid close when kde is asking for a password for a closed session?  apart from then, it seems to work fine  archlinux with kde 4.13.2
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15:52.57rdieterJackWinter: what does 'asking for a password for a closed session' ?
15:53.00rdieterwhat is...
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15:54.15rdieterJackWinter: is the option, in power settings -> Advanced -> never prevent an action on lid close, set?
15:54.36rdieter(it should be on, by default, I believe)
15:58.25visceralkde-look.org really needs a better way of finding the good stuff
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16:04.46JackWinterrdieter: hmm, sorry for the noise.  yesterday it wasn't working, but now it seems to.  maybe a recent reboot set something right.  will keep an eye on it to see if the problem returns.  thanks
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16:21.25Safa_[A_boy]Hello. KMail request the password several times, why?
16:21.49Safa_[A_boy]It request it when the computer is running and I didn't get it sleep.
16:22.14aljosais there a way to disable animations for krunner but leave the rest of kde normal? i hate waiting for krunner to animate just to start typing
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16:23.50DaZkrunner has animations? :v
16:24.41Safa_[A_boy]Yes, When it appear.
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16:28.27indroraI'm on KDE4-OpenSUSE latest and dragging titlebars seems... Strange. Im used to Openbox. Clicking/dragging works as expected on other UI elements, but window dragging requires some ninja timing
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16:29.30indroraSporatically, it'll take barely a movement (I'm on a trackpad) and it'll work, but sometimes it takes being fast between click and finger-movement
16:30.52indroraWeird, this is also happening in other UI interactions randomly -- I suspect this is a problem with the Synaptics driver then
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16:35.39RobBurkeOneHi. Has anyone heared any news about the homerum launcher? Is it getting ported to qt5 and plasma 5 atm?
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16:39.48ovrflw0xare there any cool effects other than magic lamp in KWIN?
16:40.02ovrflw0xare there any other cool effects other than magic lamp in KWIN?
16:40.29Remuzovrflw0x: wobbly windows is pretty cool :)
16:40.45ovrflw0xRemuz: i want effect for min/max
16:40.53ovrflw0xwindow
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16:48.30SpaceKookieI just set up Kontact with some calendars on my computer but the "Week" and "Day" views are greyed out. How can I fix that?
16:48.41SpaceKookie(KDE 4.13.1)
16:50.35BluesKajovrflw0x, check out system settings>desktop effects>all effects, for more effects
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17:04.35e1z0hi, then i proceed with login to kde the popup window accours with "motd" and ok button, how can i disable it ?
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17:10.24rdietere1z0: such a popup, doesn't come from kde itself, I'd recommend asking your distro channel
17:11.53e1z0ah, ok
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20:23.06ElTimabloIs there any way to make scrolling less sensitive? I already have it at the lowest the settings panel will allow and it's still too fast.
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20:29.41bootkillerElTimablo: Not sure, scrolling speed is pretty normal for me under Linux, but some applications have unusual really slow scrolling (Yes I'm looking at you Firefox and Chrome).
20:29.59bootkillerElTimablo: btw, is this a mouse or a touchpad?
20:30.02ElTimabloTouchpad.
20:30.07ElTimabloOne of the new Lenovo ones.
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20:30.24ElTimabloIt works fine in Unity and Gnome.
20:30.34bootkillerElTimablo: do you the kcm for touchpad configuration installed?
20:30.40bootkiller*have
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20:31.07ElTimablobootkiller: I do.
20:31.50ElTimabloI've heard that setting the scrolling distance to higher than the maximum might help, but I have no idea what file to edit.
20:32.01bootkillerElTimablo: you should be able to reduce the speed there
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20:32.45ElTimablobootkiller: All I have is scrolling distance, and setting that lower makes it scroll even faster.
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20:35.06ElTimabloIt's maxed out at the moment.
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20:36.41LapJupthis page really screw up konqueror. https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/carob-versus-chocolate/&sa=U&ei=fru1U7L-I8ia8QG-voCICA&ved=0CDUQFjAF&usg=AFQjCNHSHIQf9yiAFbAXB1xBXJD3nLS0bw
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20:40.26bootkillerElTimablo: Try this, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Synaptics#Natural_scrolling , adjust values as necessary.
20:41.05ElTimablobootkiller: Now I feel dumb lol
20:41.25ElTimabloI should have thought of synclient as soon as the problem started.
20:42.24ElTimablobootkiller: Thanks. It's solved now.
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20:47.46ArdonikLapJup: Yup, it's that audio control lower down on the page, I think.
20:48.13ArdonikAnd interestingly, their ads seem to have escaped Konqueror's Adblocker.  We'll see about _that_.
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20:52.11phobos_anomalyI've seen a lot of ad's getting around the adblockers lately. It makes me wonder if they are exempted or if the list maintainers are falling behind.
20:53.33LapJuphmm
20:53.52ElTimablophobos_anomaly: I'm guessing they're finding ways around the ad blockers.
20:54.35LapJupsomething that really p*sses me off about this is that scientifc american is one of the most respected, if not the most respected, scientific journal!
20:55.14LapJupwhatever sort of crap sciam is doing to cause that, it should know better!
20:58.39phobos_anomalyElTimablo: I'm thinking they moved to new ip ranges.
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22:52.23acebulfhey what's the dev channel for kde?
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22:56.53botuloxSup everyone
22:57.37acebulfhello
23:01.31botuloxWould anyone happen to know how to change the scroll direction in kdialog?
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23:02.21botuloxNevermind.
23:02.24botuloxgot it
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23:06.03n1md4hi.  i'm having problem with kde messenger, pidgin will connect to a jabber server I'm running, but messenger will not.  any way I can diagnose?
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23:11.43scummosn1md4: #kde-telepathy might be able to help
23:11.48scummosnot at this time though
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