IRC log for #kde on 20140602

00:01.52NoirSoldatsRead the motd now, gonna ask my question again the right way. :)
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00:02.13NoirSoldatsI'm using KDE 4.13.1 on a laptop running Gentoo with Optimus and I've gotten the external monitors to detect.. but all I can do is clone the screen to them... I can't get them to be 'to the left' or 'to the right' or anything, if I try all but one monitor shuts down..
00:07.18SamwiseGamgeethe printer is not printing anything, even though the print job is processing
00:07.58SamwiseGamgeeThe document print status says the user and file name is unknown
00:08.57Cyb3r-AssassinSamwiseGamgee: cups issue not KDE
00:09.21SamwiseGamgeecups?
00:09.24SamwiseGamgeewhat is that?
00:09.35SamwiseGamgeethe job priority is set to 50
00:09.53Cyb3r-AssassinSamwiseGamgee: what controls the printing. try the channel for ur distro
00:10.19SamwiseGamgeedistro, what is that?
00:11.02SamwiseGamgeeAnd what do channels have to do with printing?  I´m usiing Kubuntu 12.04 KDE
00:11.42Cyb3r-Assassinobviously.  Try #kubuntu or #ubuntu
00:12.09NoirSoldatsWhat he's saying is you're in the KDE channel and KDE doesn't do printing.. You should join the #kubuntu or #ubuntu channel or find the Cups channel.. :)
00:12.52SamwiseGamgeewhat is Cups?
00:13.05Cyb3r-AssassinThe printer service
00:13.11SamwiseGamgeeNo one is talking in the Kubuntu channel
00:13.24NoirSoldatsCommon Unix Printing System.
00:14.03SamwiseGamgeejoin CUPS?
00:14.03Cyb3r-AssassinChannel support is something to consider when choosing a distro.
00:14.33NoirSoldatsVery true.
00:15.21NoirSoldatsI would suspect the Ubuntu channel would be decently talkative.. And can help you equally well with CUPS...
00:22.05NoirSoldatsI'm using KDE 4.13.1 on a laptop running Gentoo with Optimus and I've gotten the external monitors to detect.. but all I can do is clone the screen to them... I can't get them to be 'to the left' or 'to the right' or anything, if I try all but one monitor shuts down..
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00:31.58JackBauer24NoirSoldats: it sounds like bad configuration of X
00:32.52NoirSoldatsJackBauer24: I suspect as much too, but with the pain that getting Optimus to run natively (without BumbleBee) was, I am reluctant to mess with my X config much... I've broken it numerous times tweaking to try to get Mulitple Monitors to work. :)
00:33.57JackBauer24NoirSoldats: I haven't used Gentoo myself, but from what I've heard it's bigger pain in the ass than Arch for example
00:34.12JackBauer24it's fun to learn but not in the middle of work or something :)
00:34.15Cyb3r-AssassinNoirSoldats: im on the same setup with a hybrid mobile intel. It's a PITA and I haven't got dual working yet either. One issue at a time.
00:34.18NoirSoldatsJackBauer24: Well, my problem isn't with Gentoo.. It's with Optimus native. ;P
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00:34.47NoirSoldatsGentoo is great and not much of a pain. :)
00:35.11NoirSoldatsCyb3r-Assassin: Yea, I'm kinda at a loss.. I really want/need to get Dual external monitors working.. :(
00:35.28Cyb3r-AssassinNoirSoldats: im also on gentoo. and dropped down to 12.5, 13.1 was giving some qurks
00:36.00NoirSoldatsCyb3r-Assassin: Oh yea? What kinda quirks? I haven't used it much since I don't have Multiple Monitors so I haven't identified any quirks yet.
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00:37.53Cyb3r-AssassinNoirSoldats: the baloo change from nepomunk wasn't working. I had one crash.
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00:56.00NoirSoldatsCyb3r-Assassin: Oh, yea.. I disabled Baloo as soon as I saw it. :)
00:56.16NoirSoldatsI _HATE_ all things semantic-desktop related.. -.-
00:56.58scummosbaloo isn't really anything semantic-desktop related
00:57.02scummosit's a search engine
00:57.42NoirSoldatsscummos: Well, I disabled the semantic-desktop use flag in Gentoo and it went away.. So..... :)
00:57.50scummosthen gentoo packaged it wrong
00:57.52NoirSoldatsAnd even then..
00:58.11NoirSoldatsI have locate, why do I need some special search thing built in to my desktop environment?
00:58.40NoirSoldatsIt just seems absolutely pointless to me... Personal Preference.
00:58.57scummoswell it's fulltext search, which is different from locate
00:59.02scummoswhether you need it or not is of course up to you
00:59.21NoirSoldatsExactly, not saying others might not find it useful.. But for me, I don't have a use for it.
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00:59.38scummoswell, but don't say it's semantic desktop stuff, because it's not ;)
01:00.06NoirSoldatsscummos: Will do.. But then, what is Semantic Desktop? That silly star and tag files thing?
01:00.49scummosyeah, stuff like that ... associations of things with other things
01:01.13scummosI personally don't think the user-facing concepts of "semantic desktop" were particularily clear at any point ;)
01:01.17NoirSoldatsAll I know is that when Nepomuk came it was disabled with semantic-desktop use flag.. And the same now for baloo...
01:01.24NoirSoldatsHehe..
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01:03.39NoirSoldatsscummos: Thanks for the clarification. :)  Do you, by any chance, have a clue about my Multi-Monitor with Nvidia/Optimus problem?
01:04.15scummosmulti-monitor works fine for me with nvidia, but I have no clue about optimus
01:04.17scummossorry
01:04.26scummosintentionally bought a notebook with just one graphics card
01:04.49NoirSoldatsYea, I really wanted this particular notebook and it didn't have another graphics option. :(
01:05.18NoirSoldatsI was kinda assuming that I could disable it in BIOS like my last Optimus laptop did... LOL I was wrong.
01:06.02NoirSoldatsWhat it appears to me like, is the virtual dimensions are to small and not resizing correctly when I add the second monitor so when I push something out over the edge (Left of, right of, etc) it just goes black..
01:06.30scummosdoes it depend on the WM?
01:06.31NoirSoldatsWhen I try to use xrandr to resize the virtual screen I get weird stretching effect.
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01:06.43NoirSoldatsHmmm... I don't have another WM, so haven't tested others.
01:06.56scummosyou should try maybe, to find the root of the issue
01:07.03scummosopenbox or so
01:07.26Cyb3r-AssassinNoirSoldats: it may actually be packaged wrong i've suspected that. The only thing anyone needs it for that matters is for kmail + GPG. other then that learn how to use locate like everyone else :)
01:08.55Cyb3r-Assassinor find
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01:09.04NoirSoldatsscummos: I'll give openbox a try.. What I've had the most trouble with is I don't know what portions of my config are required for Native Optimus to function.
01:09.22scummosyeah ... as said, can't help you there
01:09.50NoirSoldatsAnd how to debug problems like this in X.. ;)
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01:11.07scummos"you can try wayland" ™
01:11.22Cyb3r-Assassinthats the problem you cant. it just works or it doesnt
01:12.38scummosthat's kind of nonsense
01:13.07scummosusually X' error logs give at least an indication of what's wrong
01:14.06NoirSoldatsMy X logs don't appear to give anything of use to me... Though I could just be overlooking something important.
01:14.13NoirSoldatsI'm not an XOrg pro. :)
01:14.37scummosthen again, nobody is ;D
01:18.45NoirSoldatsI'm almost positive that my problem has something to do with Xinerama or Twinview not getting enabled or something..
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01:32.15aerofoamMy problem with Xinerama (actually the reason I fisrt came to this chan) is that KDE isn't playing well with it. I can't set up a screen edge delay I'm getting metter at stopping my mouse near the scroll bar but it's still pissing me off.
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01:52.07Cyb3r-AssassinI can adjust my date/time via (date 0000000000) But right clicking on digital clock plasma widget "adjust date and time" You get the date and time control module. You can't adjust anything.
01:54.05Cyb3r-AssassinIt only allows ntp server. I think there is a setting for that now in the settings come to think about it.
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02:08.16rdieterCyb3r-Assassin: that's a policykit thing
02:09.15rdieterthough I thought it's supposed to prompt for root password if no special privledge is defined
02:09.48rdieter(I suppoed your distro config may also disable that)
02:09.55rdietersuppose...
02:10.03Cyb3r-Assassin<PROTECTED>
02:11.18Cyb3r-Assassinrdieter: ive ran into it before and fixed it long tome ago. thing about desktop bugs. it's never something you keep in practice unless it's ur project.
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03:13.02mylarHi, I am running 4.13.1 and noticed that keyboard shortcut input actions are some sort of hybrid Command/URL.
03:13.26mylarI am not sure if it is a good idea to interpret a command as a url.
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05:31.36Guest34593i have some problems with the sound, can someone help me please
05:37.00thiagoit's probably better to ask in your distro's channel
05:39.25Guest34593i used my distro with gnome desktop and the sound worked perfectly
05:39.47Guest34593after i switched to kde sound and function keys are not working
05:41.09thiagoplease ask about sound in the distro's channel
05:41.14thiagowhat's the problem with the function keys?
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05:42.10Guest34593not working. and no indication on screen of brightness level or sound level
05:42.13Cyb3r-AssassinGuest34593: go to audio setup via right clicking the plasma widget. adjust priority, click audio setup tab and make adjustments. then go over all the sound lever in kmixer and alsa
05:42.24thiagowhich keys?
05:42.51Guest34593brightness, volume, wifi on/off
05:43.03thiagowifi on/off is controlled by hardware
05:43.07thiagois kmix running?
05:43.21Cyb3r-Assassinfunction keys arnt a kde issue
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05:43.31thiagoCyb3r-Assassin: regular keys, correct.
05:43.45thiagoI think he's asking why he can't see the volume change OSD
05:44.07Guest34593i changed the priority
05:44.15thiagois kmix running?
05:44.43Guest34593when i click on "Test" button the laptop plays the test sound
05:44.59Cyb3r-Assassinthere you go it woks
05:45.02Cyb3r-Assassinworks
05:45.20Guest34593no it doesnt work
05:45.28thiagodidn't sound just work?
05:45.30Guest34593i have no sound on any other application
05:45.34Cyb3r-Assassinthe OSD via fn keys is a keymap deal
05:45.59thiagowhich application are you using to test?
05:46.00Cyb3r-Assassinthen you have an issue with the levels or pulse
05:46.28Guest34593youtube, clementine
05:46.37thiagoyoutube is not an application, but ok
05:46.57Guest34593youtube on chromiom
05:47.04thiago"chromium" is the application
05:47.14Guest34593ok sorry
05:47.16thiagoanyway, please ask in your distro channel about low-level sound setup
05:47.22thiagoalso, chromium is not a KDE application
05:47.31thiagoyour problem is not strictly related to KDE
05:48.24Cyb3r-Assassinit works in kde control module. its not a kde issue b/c it works.
05:48.44Guest34593ok
05:48.52Guest34593what about the functio keys?
05:49.04Cyb3r-Assassinlike said watch and adjust the mixer levels
05:49.09thiagoyou have not answered my question yet
05:49.14thiagoanswer the question I asked twice
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05:49.34Guest34593the kmix tray icon is indicating "mute"
05:50.30thiagoright-click it, select the correct master channel
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05:53.16valorieGuest34593: I've noticed that for the last few days chromium has a problem with sound, even using phonon-backend-vlc
05:53.37valorieI think it is their messed-up flash
05:53.56valorieuse a different browser until they fix it
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07:19.24luminosomy Ktorrent isn't detecting upload traffic. any idea why? i tried to delete ktorrentrc but doesn't solve
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07:24.40valorieluminoso: there is a #ktorrent channel
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07:24.57valoriemine sees uploads, in fact that's how i sort it
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07:30.05luminosovalorie: thanks!
07:30.38valoriebest of luck!
07:31.53luminosoi'm never sure if it is a real bug or an archlinux bug xD
07:34.25Mamarokin doubt, start with the end and then go up the chain
07:34.55Mamarokyou - hardware - distribution - software
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08:10.18mystica555-workwhat is the proper way to tell the 'ark' developers that their tool's usability is impaired
08:10.20mystica555-workas in, drunk
08:10.32mystica555-workit wants to preview everything; it cannot seemingly open the file with a registered mime-type handler
08:10.53mystica555-workthis includes opening PDF files in an "almost-okular" that can't search files or do anything useful
08:11.00mystica555-workwhat sort of gimped functionality is this (no offense to the GIMP team)
08:11.09valorieyou could file a bug, or better yet: offer to help
08:11.33mystica555-worki just question the initial developer's history with using other archivers, like winzip or winrar.
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08:11.38mystica555-workit doesn't work anywhere like those
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08:12.49mystica555-workand a wonderful bug in the GUI to extract a file;  if i put in /path/to/file i get a unicode"⁄" as _part of the filename
08:13.13mystica555-workso have a directory that is called /tmp/kde-mike/arkQdEMYO/⁄home⁄mike⁄workplease
08:13.49valoriethat seems like a definite bug
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08:19.13valoriemystica555-work: I guess KDE utils doesn't have an IRC channel, so the forum, the KDE-Utilities mail list or bugs.kde.org are your best bet
08:19.32valoriefor discussion, the ML is probably the most optimal
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08:20.14valoriemystica555-work: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-utils-devel
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08:36.33scummosmystica555-work: there was a long discussion about the previewer a while back and it was decided to keep it more-or-less as is
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08:38.12mystica555-workscummos: :\ how would i go about modifying the thing to allow a rightclick > "open" option?  Or a 'doubleclick opens' setting?
08:38.29scummosmystica555-work: clone source code, do changes, submit patch
08:38.56mystica555-worki was ideally asking for a 'where in the code' indication... but i'll have to look long and hard because i have no idea where to start
08:40.02mystica555-worki mean, it forcibly opens some gtk3 app to show me a certificate... i cannot choose to preview a certificate as text in kwrite; i cannot view a PDF in a working application (with search!);  both actions require manually saving the file _somewhere_ and dealing with the buggy dialog box to create a new folder etc, before i can even do something which is literally a double-click in Windows.  this is, imho, very unusable.
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08:40.44scummosyes I also find it annoying sometimes, you're welcome to improve it :D
08:41.10mystica555-workgrumbles about having to learn C++ to fix something that was implemented badly by someone else.
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09:40.28Walex2mystica555-work: think of the sacrifice made by KDE developers who have to learn C++ to do developments for KDE
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09:47.23BluesKaj'Morning folks
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09:49.23mystica555-workWalex2: one might construe that UI/UX is easier to learn than C++
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09:54.24Walex2mystica555-work: embedding of external apps does work in many cases, same for right-click. Perhaps Ark is a bit limited because maybe most KDE people use command line archive tools...
09:56.22mystica555-workit simply seems like the original application writer made a bad choice to preview versus allow to open
09:56.27mystica555-workand i have a personal issue with that choice
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13:14.53scummosmystica555-work: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/113175/
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13:20.33mystica555-workscummos: thanks for that
13:20.53scummos(the actual discussion is in some of the comments)
13:20.56scummosbut you probably found it
13:21.13scummosso you see it is (surprisingly) a controversial topic
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13:42.08boexhello everyone, I have quassel as irc client, and I'm trying to find the folder where the file with my channels list is. can someone maybe help?  thank you!
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13:42.42Sho_boex: Quassel isn't a KDE app so it doesn't use the normal locations, might be better to ask in their channel
13:43.27moviuro_boex: find ~/.config -type f -exec grep -l "#kde" {} \;
13:45.17boexSho_ , thank you, I will try there!
13:45.30boexmoviuro_ this may be too advanced for my command line knowledge
13:45.35boexbut thank you!
13:47.40moviuro_boex: it finds files in .config and tells you the name of files that contain the string "#kde"
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13:47.54CodePulsarHow can I close KDE IM Messenger?
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13:48.18CodePulsarCan't find any quit / exit /close button/menu item / option
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13:48.40CodePulsarreally annoying
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13:49.44scummosCodePulsar: just set it to offline
13:49.44boexmoviuro_ when I typed the command the terminal started as editor, but no files or locations were shown
13:49.52CodePulsarscummos: it's offline
13:49.56CodePulsarI want to Close it
13:49.58scummosCodePulsar: then it's not running
13:50.05CodePulsarits open in the taskbar
13:50.07scummosCodePulsar: the icon is still there, because the icon is a plasmoid
13:50.10CodePulsar:(
13:50.15scummostaskbar? you mean the tray area?
13:50.20CodePulsartray yes
13:50.26scummosyes that icon doesn't go away
13:50.30scummosunless you remove it
13:50.31CodePulsarawful
13:50.48scummoswhat's the problem with it=
13:50.52scummoss/=/?/
13:51.06CodePulsarall the other icons from the tray area have a way to close / remove them
13:51.12CodePulsaronly this KDE IM Contacts doesn't
13:51.24CodePulsaroh and network manager
13:51.26scummoshuh? none of the icons has
13:51.38scummosbattery, keyboard layout, ...
13:51.49scummosand if it wasn't insane the mixer wouldn't either
13:51.50CodePulsarsome do
13:51.57CodePulsarsome don't
13:52.06scummosyeah ... for some it makes sense
13:52.09scummosbut e.g. not for the mixer tbh
13:52.27Sho_CodePulsar: It's a system service, not an app
13:52.31Sho_CodePulsar: Just go into the tray settings and remove it
13:53.05CodePulsarSho_: Where are the "tray settings" you speak of?
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13:53.31scummosright-click the tray
13:53.46scummosbut then it will be gone too if you're online
13:53.53CodePulsarah got it, I was right clicking on other things
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13:56.56sysop3hi anyone here good with kst?
13:57.04sysop3or kst-plot I should say
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14:01.31CodePulsarI don't know why but the messanger icon when offline kind annoys my eyes :-)
14:01.40CodePulsar*kinda
14:02.07boexmoviuro_ , Sho_ thank you for your help!
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14:06.38sysop3I want to use kst-plot to monior /sys and /proc files but since it overwrites thefile, I am not sure how to set kst for that.
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14:53.46brlihi, anyone here using appmenu-qml?
14:54.21mschusterbrli: former
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14:54.41brliso, the dev stopped?
14:55.00mschusterno, i stop to use it :)
14:55.05mschusterno more commits ?
14:55.14mschusteri guess they work on the kf5 port ?
14:55.44brliI don't konw, but it seems there are some TODO should be done after some revolution of KDE workspace
14:56.05mschusteryep
14:56.10mschusterwhy you ask ?
14:56.23brlicause I can't sleep to RAM via its button
14:56.30mschusteraha ?
14:56.33mschusterlet me test
14:57.06mschusteryep, same here
14:57.14mschusterfedora/korora 20
14:57.42brlisystemD/KDE 4.13.1?
14:58.12mschusterno
14:58.17mschusterkde 4.12.5
14:58.57mschustersystemd 208
14:59.07brlihow do you install the plasmoid?
14:59.22mschusterget new .. button
14:59.30brlioh
14:59.54brliI can make this part work, but make it even more annoying :P
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15:01.09brlineed some powerdevil/powermenagement expert's help
15:01.21mschusteryep
15:01.52mschustersleep to ram/hdd makes so much effort, its unbelieveable
15:01.54mschusterfor me
15:02.08mschusterkernel, systemd, apps
15:02.41brliI notice that it is calling some legacy command to sleep/hibernate
15:02.51mschusterah
15:03.00mschusterso its easy to patch ?
15:03.01brliwhere some generation ago, kde switch to new methods
15:03.05mschusterah
15:03.05brlimight be
15:03.15mschusterbug report ?
15:03.29brlithe fact is that the author is already prepared in the sourcecode, but comment them out
15:03.52brliI add them back, but make it even more misbehaviour :P
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15:33.31apb1963I seem to have lost my USB sound device from kmixer....  Any ideas?
15:34.14thiagodoes it show in pavucontrol?
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15:34.34apb1963I don't use pulseaudio
15:35.01thiagook
15:35.44apb1963but I guess I should also rephrase... it DOES show up as a device... there's just no... "menu" for it.  Does that make any sense?
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15:35.56apb1963I don't know what to call it... there's no controls.
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15:37.29thiagoI have no idea what the infrastructure in non-pulse scenarios is anymore
15:37.40apb1963alsa
15:37.57apb1963just plain alsa
15:38.17thiagoI understand
15:38.23thiagobut I don't remember how that works anymore
15:38.51apb1963the device works... I get sound... it just doesn't show up in kmix.... with sliders.
15:39.20apb1963so I can't control the volume
15:40.43apb1963I used to get two tabs... one for my Intel card, one for my USB card.... now I only get the 1 tab for Intel
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15:43.08apb1963nvm... I figured it out.. it's apparently called a "view".  So I was missing the view.  I added it in and now I'm back to normal.  Thanks :)
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15:45.50apb1963I do have another question though... the Mic has two sliders... it starts out with the left one about 75% up... but the right one is completely down... what's the difference between sliders?  One says "mic" the other says "mic (capture)" and if you click the capture checkbox, the right slider jumps to match the left slider.
15:46.27apb1963So.. I guess the question is... what's the purpose of the left slider if you need to tick the box in order to use the mic?
15:46.58thiagomy guess is that you're getting what ALSA says you should be getting
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16:16.18BernhardShi, is there a way to open dolphin with multiple subwindows? Like the "--tabs-from-file" command line option of konsole.
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16:20.50BernhardSnevermind, simply stacking additional paths as parameters works fine. Why is this not mentioned anywhere?
16:25.20scummosadd it to the wiki ;)
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20:45.53moviuro_Hi all! yesterday, I noted that my fixed font had issues in the konsole due to the dot in # systemctl list-units. I'm looking for suggestions for a (perfect) monospaced font that isn't Monospace but would be more like Source Code Pro
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20:55.19Sho_moviuro_: I fell in love with Fira Sans Mono recently
20:55.30Sho_It's really really good
20:55.52DaZinteresting
20:56.26Sho_Fira is basically a free version of Spiekermann's venerable FF Meta, and Fira Mono is a monospaced cut of it
20:56.42Sho_It's very high quality, and I like that it's a bit narrower than Source Code Pro overall
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21:02.35abhi_rsd_do we have to install kde separately in kubuntu
21:02.55abhi_rsd_?
21:10.41qdataabhi_rsd_: no, kde is the default desktop for kubuntu (the 'k' in front of 'ubunutu')
21:13.24moviuro_ok Sho_, taking a look at it :)
21:13.58Sho_moviuro_: I was using Source Code Pro before it, but never really fully happy with it
21:14.56moviuro_ATM, I'm using Monospace again, and it is sooo aggressive x(
21:15.11Sho_Monospace is actually just a fontconfig alias
21:15.24Sho_On most distros that's probably DejaVu Sans Mono or Liberation Sans Mono
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21:16.27moviuro_mine is DejaVu, then because I don't have Liberation ^_^
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21:18.09moviuro_Sho_: awesome :D
21:18.49moviuro_brb
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21:20.44moviuro_though I really really loved Source Code Pro for its size. Fira Mono 9 is a bit too small and 10 is way too huge
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21:23.58moviuro_Is there a way to send a mail at a given date in kmail?
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21:33.10moviuro_OK, nothing to say, kdeconnect seems to rock'n'roll: http://youtu.be/KkCFngNmsh0
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21:44.11moviuro_Sho_: I'm gonna cry
21:44.37Sho_moviuro_: why!
21:44.39moviuro_how come my "f" and "i" get squisched together into fi
21:44.41moviuro_?
21:44.53Sho_moviuro_: It's called a ligature
21:44.54moviuro_really not acceptable in a konsole
21:45.32Sho_moviuro_: Hmm but the Mono version doesn't use a fi ligature in my Konsole
21:45.44moviuro_it does here
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21:46.34moviuro_http://wstaw.org/m/2014/06/02/plasma-desktopW20570.png
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21:46.37moviuro_Sho_: ^
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21:47.15Sho_strange
21:47.20Sho_though I have Qt 5 versions
21:47.22moviuro_perhaps because I use the OTF font?... I'm going to switch to ttf
21:47.25Sho_probably yeah
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21:47.34Sho_I have the TTF from the Fedora package I think
21:49.02moviuro_I get the font from http://www.markusweimar.de/public/ttf-fira-sans-3.106.tar.xz
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21:51.27moviuro_hmmm, actually I already had fira installed (as part of the Google fonts)
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22:02.12moviuro_ok, Sho_: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=265056
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23:05.41h4k1mhey guys how do we install plasmapkg on opensuse (kde 4.11)?
23:06.37h4k1mmy bad it's already installed :P
23:06.44h4k1mI meant plasmaviewer
23:08.10h4k1mplasma-windowed work similar to plasmoidviewer
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