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| 00:32.00 | enkidu | hello, I got question about Quick Display Conf plasmoid. is it possible to make it scripted? I am using two profiles (local access for multiple monitors, remote for vnc) |
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| 03:05.52 | cypherman | hey guys, is there any application in KDE for setting user permissions and profiles? |
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| 03:10.30 | LanDi | Cyb3r-Assassin, I don't think so, but you can edit the fstab file |
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| 04:30.41 | marcosRz | Hello everyone, is it possible to run an application using a specific KDE color scheme. For example, I want to run Amarok using a specific color scheme (that is not the default that I'm using). I do not want to change my default color scheme. |
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| 04:49.55 | enkidu | marcosRz: all Qt apps can be runned with different styles and schemes I believe |
| 04:50.30 | marcosRz | enkidu: Any idea on how to do that ? Setting a specifi env variable? |
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| 05:11.40 | enkidu | --style --stylesheet ? |
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| 05:12.29 | marcosRz | cool, thanks :) |
| 05:20.23 | thiago | widget styles, not colour themes |
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| 07:09.08 | lordievader | Good morning. |
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| 07:16.12 | BrunoPT | hi |
| 07:17.43 | BrunoPT | i have a problem with akonadi, i have akonadi-backend-sqlite installed but I'm not able to choose SQLite as database for Akonadi. What am I missing? |
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| 08:29.51 | Tahvok | Hey guys, I have asked this some days ago, but didn't receive any answer. Strange no one faced the problem yet. |
| 08:32.31 | Tahvok | Since the latest kde version 4.13, I have a problem, with notification. If I have let's say konsole (doesn't matter really) at focus, and I'm working with it. When I receive a notification (let's say a new mail arride - doesn't matter as well), I get unfocused of the window I'm working with. |
| 08:33.59 | Tahvok | It's like I have moved to work with other window, but I didn't. I assume I get focused on the notification for some reason, whhich shouldn't happen. It's in kde 4.13, didn't have such a thing on 4.12 (I'm using Arch). |
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| 09:17.06 | lejocelyn | hey, is it possible to find an answer message from the email we replied ? |
| 09:17.23 | lejocelyn | I can see i replied to a message but I can't see the reply |
| 09:17.38 | lejocelyn | is there a function I missed? |
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| 09:22.00 | yossarianuk | hi - I just accidentally disabled 'confirm close' in konsole - how do you re-enable it ? |
| 09:22.28 | yossarianuk | i.e I unticked it - so now konsole closes without confirmation - how do I re-enable the confirmation ? |
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| 09:24.16 | Ardonik | yossarianuk: You might try backing up ~/.kde4/share/config/konsolerc, removing the original, and restarting konsole; I don't know what effect that will have. |
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| 09:24.47 | armin | so, is dolphin actually creating .directory files? |
| 09:27.24 | Ardonik | armin: Eh? |
| 09:27.34 | Ardonik | You mean, when you create links to applications? |
| 09:29.49 | armin | Ardonik: actually that file just holds some view settings in my case. |
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| 09:30.41 | armin | Ardonik: http://fpaste.org/101324/73432139/ |
| 09:30.48 | Ardonik | I must admit that I'm not quite sure what you're asking. If you are skeptical that Dolphin creates .desktop files, inspect them from the command line after it makes them. |
| 09:31.11 | Ardonik | So how are you creating those? |
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| 09:31.38 | armin | i just found one of those on an SMB share i was using and, well, inspected it from the commandline. |
| 09:33.04 | Ardonik | When I create links to applications in Dolphin, they're bona-fide .desktop files that I can edit after the fact myself, so the answer to your question is "cannot reproduce." |
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| 09:36.17 | armin | Ardonik: since that one holds view mode information, my assumption would be changing the view mode of a directory makes more sense if you want to reproduce it, than creating a link to an application. but no idea how i could actually reproduce it myself, will give it a try when i'm on a kde system later on today. |
| 09:36.35 | Ardonik | Alrighty. |
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| 09:57.20 | Decus | Hello! |
| 09:57.32 | Decus | Can someone tell me the name of the kmail's channel? |
| 09:58.03 | scummos | not all applications have their own channel, so not sure it exists |
| 09:59.07 | Decus | Oww |
| 09:59.16 | DaZ | Decus: if it's akonadi related it might be #kontact :v |
| 09:59.53 | Decus | hmm I don't know guys because the problem is that I can't send emails with kmail so I would like to know how to "debug" the issue |
| 10:01.08 | scummos | the more specific you are the better your chances to wake up someone who knows |
| 10:01.13 | Decus | Of course is going to be the bad configuration I did but.. |
| 10:03.14 | Decus | Is STARTTLS the same as TLS? |
| 10:05.26 | Decus | Well, sorry for the dumb questions. |
| 10:08.01 | scummos | "sort of" |
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| 10:10.58 | Decus | thanks scummos ! |
| 10:11.05 | Decus | I'll be back, love for you guys! <3 |
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| 10:30.59 | BluesKaj | 'Morning folks |
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| 10:51.14 | ThatGuy | Can anyone tell me a good working conky file? |
| 10:51.25 | DaZ | > 2014 |
| 10:51.27 | DaZ | > conky |
| 10:51.49 | ThatGuy | DaZ, what do you mean 2014 Conky? |
| 10:52.22 | DaZ | 90s want their conky back |
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| 10:52.32 | ThatGuy | what should I use now? |
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| 10:54.58 | DaZ | dunno :v |
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| 10:55.50 | ThatGuy | what do you use ? lol |
| 10:55.58 | DaZ | nothing. |
| 10:56.17 | ThatGuy | ow ok haha |
| 10:56.17 | DaZ | because graphs of my cpu usage don't make me moist :v |
| 10:56.37 | ThatGuy | Na I want network Ip and that and top process |
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| 13:12.15 | wsh | some times the battery applet shows the battery level of my iphone when connected via usb to my laptop, sometimes it does not? where could i set it? |
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| 14:23.26 | LucidGuy | I would like to execute a bash.sh script with every user login, but I ideally want this script to be placed somewhere outside the users home directory. Does such a place exist? I will use this script to modify users environment during login. |
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| 14:33.05 | rdieter | LucidGuy: depends a bit on your distro, but on redhat-flavors, you can drop shell snippets into /etc/profile.d/ that get source'd on every user login |
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| 14:33.41 | LucidGuy | rdieter, those files only get executed on login shells .. |
| 14:33.57 | rdieter | LucidGuy: this is a kde channel, and logging into kde counts as a login |
| 14:33.57 | LucidGuy | rdieter, so by default , konsole does not exectue anything in profile.d/ |
| 14:34.19 | rdieter | LucidGuy: the shell that launches startkde will get it though. :) |
| 14:34.32 | rdieter | and so will all subshells |
| 14:34.44 | LucidGuy | hmm .. |
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| 14:35.12 | LucidGuy | As we speak, I have to configure konsole profile manually .. and add bash -l |
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| 14:35.56 | rdieter | sounds like the real problem is why startkde isn't being treated as a login shell |
| 14:36.14 | LucidGuy | I'm running Kubuntu .. not sure if that makes a diff |
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| 14:37.09 | rdieter | LucidGuy: as a quick-n-dirty test, you can modify startkde top line from: #!/bin/sh , to #!/bin/bash -l , to see if it makes a difference or not |
| 14:37.26 | rdieter | the -l will force it to be treated as a login shell |
| 14:37.57 | rdieter | or you can setup konsole to treat all new shells as login shells |
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| 14:38.41 | rdieter | or put your shell snippet into /usr/env (or elsewhere if your distro modifies startkde to look in other places) |
| 14:38.41 | LucidGuy | I can modify konsole to open all new shells as a login shell .. but I need a script to make the change. |
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| 14:39.06 | rdieter | startkde itself will source stuff from there |
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| 14:39.36 | LucidGuy | from where? |
| 14:40.51 | rdieter | LucidGuy: /usr/env/ |
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| 14:41.08 | rdieter | ie, <kde_prefix_dir>/env , see /usr/bin/startkde for details |
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| 14:42.41 | LucidGuy | Understood... ideally I wish there was a ~/.kde/env/ .. just not within the users home dir. |
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| 14:43.16 | rdieter | LucidGuy: that's precisely what /usr/env is, a global equivalent to $HOME/.kde/env/ |
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| 14:44.10 | LucidGuy | hmmm .. I don't have nor no where my equivalent to /usr/env is |
| 14:44.26 | rdieter | I did mention "see /usr/bin/startkde for details" |
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| 14:44.50 | rdieter | some distros (like fedora), patch it to search in /etc/kde/env too (since /usr/env isn't exactly FHS friendly) |
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| 14:45.19 | rdieter | if /usr/env doesn't exist, create it |
| 14:45.27 | rdieter | it should still get recognized (in theory) |
| 14:46.00 | rdieter | or whatever your distro kde prefix is |
| 14:46.48 | rdieter | LucidGuy: kde4-config --prefix |
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| 14:53.58 | LucidGuy | rdieter, that replies /usr |
| 14:54.25 | rdieter | so consider using /usr/env plus anything else possibly patched into your distro's startkde script |
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| 14:57.13 | LucidGuy | rdieter, sounds like a plan .. looking for this magical /usr/env directory you mention is the key |
| 14:58.50 | LucidGuy | rdieter, digging through startkde .. no luck so far |
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| 15:00.24 | rdieter | LucidGuy: look for a line that says something like: # Source scripts found in <localprefix>/env/*.sh and <prefixes>/env/*.sh |
| 15:00.51 | rdieter | and if it's missing, poke your distro to fix it :) |
| 15:01.21 | rdieter | here's the pristine upstream code for it: |
| 15:01.23 | rdieter | https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-workspace/repository/entry/startkde.cmake?rev=KDE%2F4.11#L146 |
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| 15:02.55 | LucidGuy | I see the exact lines you are mentioning .. all commented out |
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| 15:04.35 | rdieter | this too? for file in "$prefix"*.sh; do test -r "$file" && . "$file"; done |
| 15:04.47 | rdieter | if so, start poking them to fix it |
| 15:05.59 | LucidGuy | Looks like I want .. <prefixes>/env/ and prefixes is where my KDE is installed ..hmm |
| 15:06.43 | LucidGuy | Now to find where kde is installed .. haha |
| 15:06.58 | rdieter | you already know that |
| 15:07.03 | rdieter | kde4-config --prefix |
| 15:07.15 | rdieter | or kde4-config --path lib , minus the lib part |
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| 15:08.35 | LucidGuy | btw .. thanks agian. |
| 15:09.03 | LucidGuy | So I should create a /usr/env directory .. that doesnt sound right |
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| 15:15.29 | LucidGuy | wow .. that worked |
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| 15:30.51 | LucidGuy | rdieter, thanks again... I'm a little concerned that I would never have found that without your assistance. I hate when googling comes up dry and have to rely on others. I really appreciate the assistance |
| 15:31.14 | rdieter | np |
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| 16:03.48 | Tanktalus | Is 4.13.1 coming out later today, or is on a delayed "ASAP" schedule? :) |
| 16:04.59 | rdieter | Tanktalus: should be today, afaik |
| 16:05.20 | Tanktalus | Great. My systems are waiting for it before I can upgrade almost anything else :S :D |
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| 16:34.01 | jthomas | Running KDE on Debian Testing. When Amarok or YouTube playlists move to the next track, not always but often, my KDE volume mixer gets cranked up to 100%, down from my comfortable 40%. I'm running PulseAudio and I've fixed PulseAudio to use ' flat-volumes = yes '. Why would new songs or videos be messing with my local volume levels?? |
| 16:35.09 | jthomas | er, "my KDE volume mixer gets cranked up to 100%, from my comfortable 40%." |
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| 16:38.19 | rdieter | jthomas: there's an open bug on that, with several suggested fixes/workarounds. some distros patch following one approach or another, but consensus has not yet been achieved. lemme dig up the bug for you... |
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| 16:39.23 | rdieter | jthomas: I think this covers it, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324975 |
| 16:39.42 | jthomas | ok great, as long as it's known and I'm not crazy :) thanks a lot |
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| 17:25.57 | Haikarainen | uhh, how can I restart the "desktop" itself? Like the panels and stuff.. It all froze. Is there a specific process for this? |
| 17:26.09 | Haikarainen | I'd hate to restart kdm fully |
| 17:26.48 | Haikarainen | nevermind got it, it was up in 90% cpu usage according to top (plasma-desktop) |
| 17:26.58 | Haikarainen | now how do I start it in the proper way? |
| 17:27.10 | scummos | just run "plasma-desktop" |
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| 17:27.54 | Haikarainen | ahh.. good ol' alt+f2 |
| 17:28.10 | BluesKaj | Haikarainen, it could be baloo indexing your files |
| 17:28.25 | scummos | no that makes no sense |
| 17:28.41 | scummos | that wouldn't freeze plasma, nor would it be listed as "plasma" in top |
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| 17:29.12 | BluesKaj | scummos, right , I spoke too soon :) |
| 17:29.38 | Haikarainen | BluesKaj: I've murdered everything baloo in my setup :P |
| 17:29.39 | BluesKaj | didn't read his firstr post |
| 17:30.23 | vHanda | Guys. Lets not blame Baloo for everything? |
| 17:30.34 | vHanda | I know it has some problems, but it's kinda rude to jump the wagon like that. |
| 17:30.53 | BluesKaj | a lot of ppl are complaining about baloo tho, it was aknee jerk reaction on my part |
| 17:31.17 | vHanda | really? I haven't gotten that many reports. |
| 17:31.55 | somekool | I had plasma freezes tooo, especially when switching activity |
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| 17:32.42 | rdieter | hugs baloo |
| 17:32.59 | BluesKaj | vHanda, i'm in several chats related to kde, and I see a few complaints every day |
| 17:33.18 | vHanda | could you tell me which all? |
| 17:33.27 | vHanda | I have alerts setup whenever anyone says "baloo" |
| 17:33.33 | rdieter | bets a lot of those will go away when 4.13.1 lands, includes some very nice polish over 4.13.0 |
| 17:33.36 | vHanda | it would be a good way to know what problems people are having. |
| 17:33.45 | vHanda | rdieter: thanks :) |
| 17:33.51 | vHanda | not everyone files bugs |
| 17:33.55 | BluesKaj | jjust whois me |
| 17:36.25 | vHanda | I only seem to get the channels both of us are on. |
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| 17:36.32 | Shaan7 | vHanda: "not everyone files bugs" answers "really? I haven't gotten that many reports." :P |
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| 17:50.53 | Haikarainen | vHanda: plasma froze up all the friggin time back when I had baloo indexing all of my stuff :P |
| 17:51.55 | vHanda | Haikarainen: distro? |
| 17:52.03 | Haikarainen | vHanda: Arch |
| 17:52.04 | vHanda | Shaan7: not many report, not bug reports. |
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| 17:52.15 | vHanda | I do look at the forums, and google+ |
| 17:52.40 | vHanda | Haikarainen: have you by any chance changed your default io scheduler? |
| 17:52.54 | Haikarainen | vHanda: nope |
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| 17:53.50 | vHanda | Haikarainen: alright. Do you have idea why plasma was freezing? |
| 17:54.01 | vHanda | some baloo process consuming too much RAM? |
| 17:54.05 | vHanda | too much IO? |
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| 17:54.50 | Haikarainen | vHanda: cant remember the details, it was some weeks ago i dealt with it, iirc it consumed tons of cpu anytime plasma froze |
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| 17:57.03 | vHanda | if you have some time, it would be awesome if you could help in debugging it |
| 17:57.04 | vHanda | http://community.kde.org/Baloo/Debugging |
| 17:57.56 | thiago | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.01 | thiago | it keeps crashing without drkonqi |
| 17:58.52 | BluesKaj | Haikarainen, one can add dirs to baloo in system settings>desktop search using the "do not search these locations" option |
| 17:58.58 | Haikarainen | vHanda: Sure, I'd love to get it working properly :) I've been thinking about building kde with debugging symbols as well, since I have components crashing here and there sometimes |
| 17:59.21 | Haikarainen | BluesKaj: I know :P I added my home folder there, as well as changed some weird conf files to refuse it to index stuff |
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| 17:59.39 | BluesKaj | Haikarainen, ok |
| 18:00.04 | vHanda | the disable button is back in 13.1 |
| 18:00.49 | BluesKaj | good |
| 18:01.13 | Haikarainen | 13.1 of what? |
| 18:01.16 | BluesKaj | i have 4.13.0 atm |
| 18:02.17 | Haikarainen | oh |
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| 18:10.43 | obesd | Star Trek, use a high quality mic system in the house, hook it up to KDE |
| 18:11.06 | obesd | "Computer, play nikita season 3 episode 1" |
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| 18:12.43 | thiago | my cable box might be able to do that... |
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| 18:33.41 | vHanda | minus the hardware part, that might not be very hard to do. |
| 18:33.47 | vHanda | we do have most of the technologies ready. |
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| 18:34.07 | vHanda | I bet I could do it within a day. |
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| 18:40.04 | afiefh | obesd: That works? How do you set it up? |
| 18:40.37 | obesd | it was easy! |
| 18:40.53 | obesd | i just invented a time machine and flew into the future where they had invented it and it already worked :P) |
| 18:41.05 | obesd | i.e. i dont have that working, but it would be cool |
| 18:41.43 | obesd | there are pieces in place, semantic desktop, i believe there was an audio control module for kde too |
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| 19:01.41 | hnsz2002 | hi all |
| 19:02.03 | hnsz2002 | kmail is still under development or stucked? |
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| 19:08.48 | thiago | hnsz2002: it's still being developed |
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| 19:10.24 | hnsz2002 | i check it again, but very buggy |
| 19:11.09 | hnsz2002 | i'll search for some thunderbird alternative, because its f*cking slow, and eats lot of ram |
| 19:11.22 | hnsz2002 | but nothing useful find... |
| 19:13.08 | Walex | hnsz2002: that's not quite right. Thunderbird usually performs pretty well for me... As to "lots of RAM", what doesn't. |
| 19:13.46 | Walex | hnsz2002: if you are using Maildir for archiving mail you deserve everything you get. |
| 19:14.43 | hnsz2002 | Walex: do you use lightning with network calendar? |
| 19:15.09 | Walex | hnsz2002: I think that KMail is the only KDE mail client, but there are a couple of QT-based mail clients that work fairly well. |
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| 19:15.30 | Walex | hnsz2002: yes, with 'davmail' as a proxy to an MS-Exchange server. |
| 19:15.52 | hnsz2002 | Walex: for example? is there integrated calendar and address book sync? |
| 19:17.16 | hnsz2002 | Walex: this davmail looks interest... |
| 19:17.18 | Walex | hnsz2002: that's asking a bit too much. |
| 19:17.46 | Walex | hnsz2002: 'davmail' is the only MS-Exchange compatibility thing that seems to work reliably. |
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| 19:18.34 | hnsz2002 | i dont have exchange, its ym cladav server |
| 19:18.48 | hnsz2002 | and contacts from google |
| 19:20.07 | Walex | hnsz2002: one option may be Opera BTW |
| 19:20.39 | Walex | hnsz2002: there used to be a client called Trojitá and it seems to be still actively developer |
| 19:21.49 | hnsz2002 | when i see right, opera mail is only availabe for windows... |
| 19:22.13 | BlaXpirit | opera doesn't exist anymore |
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| 19:22.47 | thiago | they do |
| 19:22.57 | thiago | they exist as a company and as a browser |
| 19:23.30 | Walex | they changed a large chunk of their codebase, but the browser incorporating the mail client is still around. |
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| 19:23.56 | thiago | right, it's based on blink now |
| 19:23.56 | BlaXpirit | yeah, using an unsupported browser is a good option |
| 19:23.57 | BlaXpirit | for sure |
| 19:24.23 | hnsz2002 | :) |
| 19:24.52 | BluesKaj | BlaXpirit, http://www.opera.com/computer/linux |
| 19:25.40 | BlaXpirit | so...? |
| 19:25.54 | Walex | look the "historical" opera is still available; the new style Opera is still not finished. |
| 19:26.20 | BlaXpirit | it is forever stuck in the past, in a few years many of the websites will not work in it |
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| 19:26.34 | BlaXpirit | and the new opera is "chrome: opera edition" |
| 19:26.52 | BlaXpirit | just a clone with even less features |
| 19:28.03 | BluesKaj | shrugs |
| 19:30.52 | Walex | But KMail is not that bad, if one avoid the more "advanced" features... |
| 19:31.33 | Haikarainen | Walex: What would be bad with KMail? Been using it for a month or so for my gmail, have been working flawlessly for me ;o |
| 19:32.14 | BlaXpirit | I wonder why would someone use a mail client for GMail |
| 19:32.26 | Walex | Haikarainen: there are known issues with contact management (blame the usual framework...) and regrettably 'mbox' style folder compaction... |
| 19:32.37 | hnsz2002 | kmail is very good, very integrated, pretty, fast, and extremely list of options for everythings that you can configure.... |
| 19:32.44 | hnsz2002 | ....until you run into some bugs |
| 19:33.20 | Walex | ah long lost history: http://kimap.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:34.16 | Walex | BlaXpirit: having a local copy of your email messages is something that many people like. In a format one can do stuff with. |
| 19:34.44 | Walex | BlaXpirit: the NSA and many other people keep local copies of your GMail, for example :-). |
| 19:35.49 | Haikarainen | BlaXpirit: I just want it on my desktop, natively. Webapps for everything isn't my cup of tea just yet.. |
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| 19:36.49 | BlaXpirit | meh, it's about the internets anyway, may as well have it in the browser |
| 19:36.57 | BlaXpirit | especially since it can notify you when a mail comes |
| 19:37.08 | BlaXpirit | but Walex's reason is valid |
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| 19:39.04 | Haikarainen | BlaXpirit: but that implies having to open up a browser.. I just want my mail in the background, integrated into my desktop environment nicely. It just tells me when I have new mail, and it's 1 click away when I want to compose a message. Most mornings when I boot up my box I rarely start the browser. It's usually kdevelop, quassel, spotify, and then kmail starts automatically anyway.. |
| 19:39.44 | BlaXpirit | cool |
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| 19:42.57 | saptech | hi all |
| 19:45.00 | saptech | what is this kfilebox for dropbox i'm reading about? I do not see a dropbox icon |
| 19:46.36 | saptech | does the kfilebox icon replace dropbox icon? |
| 19:50.04 | hnsz2002 | Walex: this davmail is only for exchange... |
| 19:50.15 | hnsz2002 | its not support simple caldav |
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| 19:52.30 | Walex | hnsz2002: well it translates MS-Exchange to CalDAV... |
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| 19:53.43 | hnsz2002 | ok, but not proxiing beetwhen lightning and caldav server... |
| 19:53.55 | Walex | hnsz2002: I mentioned it because whenever someone talks about Thunderbird and calendars etc. in a vague way they just want to use MS-Exchange. Finding CalDAV etc. clients is easier |
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| 19:55.38 | Walex | hnsz2002: but Lightning supports CalDAV natively... That's why people use 'davmail' to allow it to use an MS-Exchange server. |
| 19:56.00 | Walex | hnsz2002: look for example at these typical setup instructions... http://www.ronakg.com/2010/07/thunderbird_lightning_davmail_ubuntu/ |
| 19:56.09 | hnsz2002 | Walex: yes i know, as i said, i currently use thunderbird with lingning |
| 19:56.37 | hnsz2002 | my problem that is very slow |
| 19:57.02 | Walex | hnsz2002: that sounds very strange again. Perhaps you have too many calendars |
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| 19:57.44 | hnsz2002 | i have 5 imap mailbox, each have cca. 10000 email, and 8 calendars (birthdays, namedays, work, private, coworkers calendars...) |
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| 19:58.14 | hnsz2002 | when i start is, about 8-10 minutes its eat 100% cpu |
| 19:58.17 | Walex | hnsz2002: 8 calendars like that does not seem too much. I have 3-4 and seems fine. |
| 19:58.29 | hnsz2002 | while syncronized calendars, imaps and contact |
| 19:58.53 | Walex | hnsz2002: note also that Kontact support CalDAV natively nowadays |
| 19:58.55 | hnsz2002 | 'only' 100% because only run everythigs in one thread |
| 19:59.10 | Walex | hnsz2002: that might be more to do with the IMAP mailboxes... |
| 19:59.12 | hnsz2002 | so, until these sync not done, i cannot do nothing |
| 19:59.58 | hnsz2002 | after 10 minutes its started, eats 1,3-1,8 GB of ram |
| 20:00.14 | Walex | hnsz2002: I have had (for various reasons) an IMAP inbox with 30-40,000 messages and both Thunderbird and KMail could deal with it. With local copy of course. |
| 20:00.45 | Walex | hnsz2002: 1.3-1.8 virtual space is the standard for any GUI program nowadays :-) |
| 20:00.46 | hnsz2002 | not the mail numbers the problem, the lightning extension slow down drastically |
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| 20:00.57 | Walex | hnsz2002: that seems unlikely |
| 20:01.32 | hnsz2002 | if i write email, and for example periodic calendars sync started |
| 20:01.46 | Walex | BTW traffic in #KDE is not huge, but this is not really the right channel for that. Try asking in ##Linux, there are probably many more Ligthning users there. |
| 20:01.57 | hnsz2002 | about 1-2 minutes i cant doing nothings, because not responding |
| 20:02.02 | Walex | Also try using Kalendar with its new CalDAB suport. |
| 20:02.13 | hnsz2002 | same situation, if i add a new caledar event... |
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| 20:02.28 | hnsz2002 | 10-20 secs until the calendars sync up, not responding |
| 20:02.37 | Walex | hnsz2002: that "cant doing nothings" usually happens because of intensive disk IO rather than CPU time. It has afflicted even Linus Torvalds. |
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| 20:02.56 | Walex | hnsz2002: try to trace what it is doing with Wireshark for example. |
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| 20:03.52 | Walex | hnsz2002: but I have seen a lot of slightly "wrong" JavaScript extensions for Firefox behave badly. It may be as simple as a version that is not quite right for the browser version, or some code leftover from a previous install. |
| 20:04.01 | hnsz2002 | the 'very fast' javascript engine try to process calendar events :) |
| 20:04.18 | hnsz2002 | javascript is good for everythings, even for write an OS... |
| 20:04.20 | hnsz2002 | blah |
| 20:04.45 | Walex | hnsz2002: I would try to create a completely empty/fresh profile, and then configure your calendars in it, and see if the problem persists. |
| 20:04.57 | hnsz2002 | persist |
| 20:05.07 | hnsz2002 | i also tried many timews |
| 20:05.12 | Walex | hnsz2002: also look here http://wiki.davical.org/w/CalDAV_Clients/Kontact |
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| 20:05.29 | hnsz2002 | and sqlite vacuum, and any performance tuning which i find on the internet |
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| 20:07.12 | Walex | hnsz2002: try asking ##Linux... |
| 20:08.54 | Walex | hnsz2002: which distro? which KDE version BTW? |
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| 20:09.14 | hnsz2002 | Walex: fedora 20 |
| 20:11.32 | Walex | hnsz2002: this says one possible cause is large folders bein reopened: http://rainbow.chard.org/2013/02/19/thunderbird-high-cpu/ |
| 20:12.53 | Walex | hnsz2002: and the same for too much memory. Compact all your folders... |
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| 20:13.25 | hnsz2002 | thanks for link, i check it... |
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| 20:14.50 | hnsz2002 | hmm, 300000 |
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| 20:27.52 | hagabaka | I'm seeing "music notes" after KMail's new email notification messages. Is it just me? |
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| 20:29.28 | sheilong | I HATE KDE EVERY FUCKING DAY, THAT SHIT ALWAYS BREAK HERE AND GET VERY VERYY SLOWWWW FUCK OFF !!!!!! |
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| 20:30.33 | chris_hd | so refreshing ;) |
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| 20:53.48 | shevy | is there a roadmap for the kde folks towards qt5? as in if there may be a specific year and quartal of that year when the first qt5-based kde desktop might get released as a beta? |
| 20:54.03 | shevy | (*translation* I can't wait) |
| 20:55.24 | thiago | shevy: search for KF5 (KDE Frameworks 5) |
| 20:55.29 | thiago | there are betas out already |
| 20:55.42 | shevy | ok |
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| 21:19.44 | saptech | does the kfilebox icon replace dropbox icon? |
| 21:20.00 | saptech | I'm not seeing a dropbox icon |
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| 21:25.51 | lolihunter | hello i have a big problem with KDE under Debian. after a fresh kde install i have set the theme skin a little darker and added only 2 widges on the desktop. If i browse via firefox i get graphical bugs like in games if vsync is deactivated. same in games also in many games i get lags (like second life). my pc is a I7, 8gb ram, nvidia geforce gtx 660, debian 64 bit. under gnome i dont have such problems |
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| 21:26.50 | lolihunter | i have also updated to the newest graphic card version |
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| 21:36.12 | lolihunter | nobody here they could help me? |
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| 21:38.47 | BlaXpirit | lolihunter, you mean you didnt have that problem before? |
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| 21:43.09 | lolihunter | i never used kde realy before |
| 21:43.38 | lolihunter | i only have made a fresh kde install (beside gnome) and started a game to test if any graphical bugs ir issues are there |
| 21:43.44 | lolihunter | and thats what exactly happened |
| 21:44.11 | lolihunter | firefox = graphical glitches, ingames = lags + glitches |
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| 21:45.01 | lolihunter | uner gnome its fine, no problems there but i want use kde, mostly because some for me importand widges i need + system monitors etc |
| 21:45.19 | lolihunter | as sample, as a lil gamer i play dota so the dota 2 stat widges is nice to see my last stats |
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| 21:47.15 | lolihunter | and i dont know why i have this problems |
| 21:47.51 | BlaXpirit | lolihunter, well.... this kind of stuff happens with kde |
| 21:47.58 | BlaXpirit | you may need to disable compositing |
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| 21:54.54 | lolihunter | also with no activated effect si have the problems |
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| 23:37.35 | moviuro | Hi all! I've been upset by KDE performance lately on my Arch laptop with HDD: launching gwenview, dolphin, opening th mail editor (kmail2 --editor) or even opening a Konsole or generating a QR code from Klipper's content (with a custom shortcut) all take ages :( |
| 23:39.10 | moviuro | Is there no way to cache in memory an instance of everything and just toggle its visibility? I mean, I have 8GB RAM and use ATM around 5. Perhaps count 1 or 2 more if I want de develop at the same time but there should still be plenty of room for caching some applications, don't you think? |
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| 23:44.04 | rdieter | moviuro: "ages" is how long? (even on my ~6-7 yr-old laptop, the apps you mention take no more than a second or 2) |
| 23:44.22 | moviuro | ~3-4 seconds |
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| 23:44.42 | rdieter | that's unusual. :( |
| 23:44.58 | moviuro | sometimes more |
| 23:45.38 | moviuro | which is really annoying. I really don't mind slow startup but realy dislike waiting while I have work at hand (which is the case ATM) |
| 23:46.36 | scummos | moviuro: try: strace -f <program> |
| 23:46.44 | scummos | does where it do anything unusual when it hangs |
| 23:46.46 | scummos | ? |
| 23:46.54 | scummos | (warning, lots of output ;)) |
| 23:47.46 | moviuro | dies flooded |
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| 23:48.34 | scummos | the interesting question is whether it hangs at some point |
| 23:48.37 | scummos | i.e. no more output |
| 23:48.48 | moviuro | hmmm, perhaps because I launched them from a cold state? |
| 23:48.49 | scummos | if yes then maybe that tells you something |
| 23:49.01 | scummos | dunno, for me opening e.g. konsole takes <0.3s |
| 23:49.45 | moviuro | also, sometimes, kile (and kate?) will just hang while I type and come back to life after 2-5 seconds |
| 23:50.05 | moviuro | does'nt seem to want to repeat itself |
| 23:50.35 | scummos | do you have a network file system? |
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| 23:53.14 | moviuro | nope scummos, I have some remote entries in Dolphin but that's it |
| 23:53.35 | scummos | you can attach gdb to kate and ctrl+c it while it hangs |
| 23:53.39 | scummos | then thread apply all bt |
| 23:53.43 | moviuro | scummos: (please HL me as I do something else on an other desktop :) ) |
| 23:53.50 | scummos | moviuro: ^ ;) |
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| 23:56.07 | moviuro | scummos: I've got no clue how to use gdb: $ gdb -p $(pgrep kile); gives http://paste.ubuntu.com/7460095 |
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| 23:56.35 | scummos | moviuro: recent distros disable attaching to processes for non-root users for security reasons by default |
| 23:56.40 | scummos | you can do it as root |
| 23:56.45 | moviuro | oh |
| 23:56.46 | moviuro | ok |
| 23:56.56 | scummos | moviuro: or change the option but I don't know how to do that ;) |
| 23:57.01 | scummos | or start it from inside gdb |
| 23:57.44 | moviuro | ok, and now? :) I have to write something like trace or backlog, isn't it? |
| 23:58.12 | scummos | did you Ctrl+C it while it froze? |
| 23:58.14 | moviuro | (I did # gdb -p $(pgrep kile) ) |
| 23:58.20 | scummos | ah, just "continue" then |
| 23:58.27 | moviuro | hehe, didn't freeze yet |
| 23:58.31 | scummos | and quickly press Ctrl+C in the terminal window as soon as it freezes |
| 23:58.33 | scummos | then "thread apply all bt" |
| 23:58.49 | scummos | that usually gives a good idea of what it is doing while frozen |
| 23:59.13 | moviuro | ok scummos, will do if I'm fast enough to catch it freezing :) |
| 23:59.30 | scummos | it gets a bit slower by attaching the debugger, so that helps ;) |