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00:40.46marcel_hello
00:42.23marcel_I have such a strange problem with sound on my kde. If i play amarok track jump every 2 sec, and also sound quality its not good enough to hear music. No problem with sound on xfce.
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03:30.34somekoolhello, I have an account on identity.kde.org and I know my email, but I dont remember my username. or so the system says.. how do I recover my username and password, only knowing and having access to my email ? thanks
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03:47.16LapJupcontact the administrator of the mail server
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04:40.59cyphermanhi guys
04:41.40H31MYHi cypherman
04:41.45cyphermani installed Debian 7 KDE in a netbook, but i used encrypted LVM, do you think there is going to be a huge performance penalty because of that?
04:42.15thiagono
04:43.49cyphermanbecause i know there is CPU draw on that
04:43.56H31MYI think you'll only find a difference if you use an old computer. Anything dual-core and the performance hit from encryption is going to be negligible
04:44.08cyphermanbut as the netbooks are low powered cpus
04:44.17cyphermanmaybe it is not the best way to stay safe
04:44.49xiaomiaocypherman: on my old notebook, downclocked to 800Mhz, encryption took about 25% CPU at full disk speed
04:44.56cyphermani have an old Sony Vaio P with those Atom Z550 processors
04:45.03xiaomiaoso it just "wastes" some CPU while you're waiting on the disk
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04:45.35cyphermanxiaomiao: but maybe file transfers as well as overall desktop experience is affected by that
04:45.53xiaomiaocypherman: not enough for you to notice
04:46.45cyphermanand another question
04:46.58cyphermanis there anyway to disable the hibernate button?
04:47.04cyphermanbecause it does not work at all
04:47.11cyphermanit work the suspend
04:47.17cyphermanbut not the hibernate
04:47.26cyphermanso i wish i can disable it
04:47.29cyphermanfrom the menu
04:52.36cyphermananyone=
04:52.38cypherman?
04:56.07H31MYcypherman a quick search on the subject returned this https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=161708   seems promising
04:56.36cyphermanthanks H31MY, i'll check it out
04:57.06cyphermani don't have this file
04:57.07cyphermanuser/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.login1.policy
04:57.44cyphermanthere is a typo in the howto, it should say /usr/share...
04:58.07cyphermanbut .login1.policy... do i have to create it?
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05:07.24cyphermanthis how to is for archlinux
05:07.34cyphermanhttps://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=161708
05:07.39cyphermanshould i try in debian?
05:07.54cyphermanthe file is not there, so i guess i must create it right?
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05:18.41H31MYcypherman, edit /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.upower.policy
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05:38.15cyphermanit still shows the hibernation option
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05:38.33cyphermanso edit /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.upower.policy has no effect
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05:47.14mrweb20Hey #kde. I'm on Kubuntu 14.04. Every time I set kickoff to NOT switch tabs on hover, it changes back after I restart my computer. Any suggestions?
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05:56.23mrweb20Hey #kde. I'm on Kubuntu 14.04. Every time I set kickoff to NOT switch tabs on hover, it changes back after I restart my computer. Any suggestions?
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06:50.06lordievaderGood morning.
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07:03.01morsikhello. i'm trying to change KWallet configuration, but in it's settings window i see "You are not allowed to to save the configuration" — what can be wrong? ;o
07:03.09morsiki just entered my password to open it's window
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07:45.23binBlobHi does nomeone knows how I can move a window to a specific desktop via a bash script ?
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07:47.21lordievaderbinBlob: With qdbus you can.
07:48.55binBloblordievader: would wmctrl work too ?
07:50.36lordievaderI don't know that utility.
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07:58.52Bundestrojaneri have a really strange KDE-problem in Kubuntu 14.04: i started an old game in Wine in fullscreen-mode. it set the resolution of kde down to 1024x768 (or something near). I set it back to 1920x1080.
07:58.52BundestrojanerNow, the Desktop area seem to have an offset: At start of KDE, i see a part of 4times background images, they form a cross where they border.
07:58.52BundestrojanerAt the desktop-switch (where the displayed applications are shown as gray rects), only a small part of those gray rects is in the desktop.
07:58.52BundestrojanerAnd the worst problem: When i start a game in fullscreen-mode, the mouse pointer is "caged" in a rectangle in the left upper corner with ~1/5 of the screen size. Changing the resolution in a fullscreen-game also changes those size of the cage...
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07:59.03markandhi there
07:59.09markandhow can I completely disable all nepomuk stuff ?
07:59.31markandI disabled in the service startup but I still get an error message at start "Nepmuk is not correctly ....."
07:59.41markandbecause I don't have virtuoso installed
07:59.45Bundestrojaner(the background-image turns to normal after a few seconds
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08:03.32Bundestrojanerthe desktop-problem looks like this, but with 4 background-images meeting:
08:03.33Bundestrojanerhttp://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/Descoladore/NebulaDesktop.jpg
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08:08.54binBloblordievader: ok qdebus is like a jungle, do you have a tip how to proceed ? Should I look into plasma desktop or kwin ?
08:11.51lordievaderbinBlob: In kwin it is at least possible to move from desktop to desktop. IIRC moving windows was possible too, but I can't remember where that option was.
08:12.10lordievaderAs a workaround you could also use xdotools, but it is less graceful.
08:12.40binBloblordievader: ok thanks I
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08:12.46binBlobwill try to find something
08:12.56lordievaderGood luck anyhow.
08:14.52valoriesomekool: please ask the syadmins in #kde-sysadmin
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08:19.41Bundestrojanerthe "desktop-switch" (i have no idea what's it's name in english, my os is german): http://abload.de/img/desktop-switch3gj1s.png
08:19.42Bundestrojanerin desktop 1, the program is a maximized window so the dark-gray rect should fill it - but only a small line is displayed...
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08:20.06Bundestrojanerso my screen has an offset of ~900 px in high
08:20.22Bundestrojaneri don't know how to describe it better, sry
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08:48.21jeddianyone know if there's a way i can have an equivalent to the bookmark widget in the panel - but instead of bookmarks, it will throw up a list of specific application shortcuts?
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08:57.30jeddii want to have a series of shortcuts (.desktop files i manage myself is fine) to krdc profiles.
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09:18.17MolbOrgckindley: it may be distro covariant
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09:41.58y4nshelp
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09:42.13moviuroy4ns: ask
09:42.50y4nsproblem with sound on kde 4.11 with opensuse
09:43.06moviuroy4ns: +details
09:43.37y4nspoor qulity sound in every application, also with test on kmix.
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09:43.54y4nsglumpy under water sound, hard to explain how its sounds.
09:44.20moviuroy4ns: also, you might want to ask on #opensuse and #opensuse-kde
09:45.20y4nsAnother with kde had same problem
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09:45.28moviuroI'd say, make sure your microphone is not linked to your output sound
09:45.37y4nsIts netbook
09:45.44y4nsNokia Booklet 3G
09:45.48moviuroalso, 4.11 is getting old, make sure you're uptodate
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10:25.22totteIs it possible to get the number of unread messages in KMail via CLI somehow?
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10:57.58DrSlonyHi! I see on http://digikam.org/about/releaseplan that 4.0.0-RC was supposed to be out a month ago and it still is not, and there is no news. I wanted to find out why the delay? Is cauliergilles ok? And less importantly, I'm curious whether there is a web interface ti digikam's repo where I can see the latest commits and tagged versions (does git call them tags as mercurial does?)
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11:03.12RemuzDrSlony: it seems to released. version I've got from suse's repos is 4.0.0~rc-7.2
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11:04.24DrSlonyRemuz ok, no mention of it on their website. Any idea what the web interface to their repo is?
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11:06.35RemuzDrSlony: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Extra/KDE_Current_openSUSE_13.1/
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11:09.19DrSlonyRemuz thanks but i'd like the digikam repo, not suse build repo
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11:10.46RemuzDrSlony: ah, dunno about that.
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11:18.39totteDrSlony: It's in extragear on projects.kde.org I think.
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11:25.16DrSlonytotte yes, thank you https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/graphics/digikam/activity
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11:31.18CymewI seem to remember there once being a regexp trainer application for KDE. My google fu is weak today. Anyone have any pointers?
11:32.47moviuroCymew: 7 aur/kregexpeditor-git 491.f618b59-1 (11)  KDE editor for regular expressions
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11:33.57moviuroWhere can I find help for the konqueror user-defined stylesheet? I'd like to have my webpages follow my color theme (ATM, it's only a big mess with some formatted and some not formatted text: ie ugly)
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11:42.29Cymewmoviuro: Thanks. will look into it
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11:53.48moviuroOK, so there is a big problem in here: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/05/08/plasma-desktopQNZ561.png
11:55.35tottemoviuro: http://www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/guides/change_colours/browser/linux/konqueror/ might help?
11:56.45moviurototte: that is exactly what I did but the google page is not readable (I'd like Konqueror to somehow translate the page's stylesheet to one that fits my KDE color sheet)
11:57.25moviuroalso, the helper does not use my KDE color sheme -> bad !
12:00.08tottemoviuro: If you override the settings with your own any website you visit should be displayed accordingly. Is this not the case?
12:00.53moviurototte: it is _somewhat_ the case. Though blue font for links is ugly in my case, they'll be better with a light shade of green
12:01.03moviuroalso, some text is still balck
12:01.07moviuroblack
12:01.56moviurohttp://wstaw.org/m/2014/05/08/plasma-desktopZNA561.png
12:04.28tottemoviuro: Did you set that in the stylesheet as well?
12:05.01moviurototte: that is the very issue: where do I get any information about the custom stylesheet?
12:05.24tottemoviuro: I don't understand, what sort of information?
12:05.48moviurototte: what do I write in what file in which format so that it does what I want?
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12:10.16totteI'd put stylesheet.css in my home directory, point Konqueror to it and write my CSS rules there.
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12:11.27totteThe accessibility option may be easier if you aren't familiar with CSS.
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12:15.09moviurototte: yes, well you see what it looks like with only the accessibility stylesheet... not really usable
12:15.32tottemoviuro: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=69854
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12:21.18Guest91682it seems you are not allowed to make a but report without creating an account -- something I am not willing to do
12:21.33Guest91682however I have a major bug that keeps showing its face
12:22.45totteGuest91682: Sounds like quite the dilemma.
12:23.22Guest91682when I close two konsoles in a row then ALL konsoles are closed with a crash and a bug report popup
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12:23.40Guest91682an extremely serious bug
12:24.20totteGuest91682: Better report it then.
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12:24.52Guest91682I can't
12:25.08Guest91682I keep traces etc.  but I do not create accounts of any kind on line.
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12:25.14moviuroGuest91682: how do you close the konsoles? ^D or Alt-F4 or the cross button?
12:25.40Guest91682I have only experienced it when clicking on the upper right hand x
12:25.51Guest91682but that is what I normally do on this machine
12:26.05Guest91682actually, I take that back
12:26.09Guest91682it is by typing exit
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12:26.23Guest91682that I have most recently noticed it.
12:26.25moviuroGuest91682: take a look at what was upgraded since the last time it worked; rollback; enjoy?
12:26.53Guest91682it has been happening since installation
12:26.54totteGuest91682: Nag at someone to file the bug report for you?
12:27.45totte4.11.5 isn't exactly new, I'd talk to the distribution maintainer if I were you.
12:27.49Guest91682I have taken less trouble than I normally would to narrow it down so as to be 100% predictable since I actually resent the requirement that I open an account to help.
12:28.47Guest91682I spent the testing time trying to find if there was another way to report the bug
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12:34.05Guest91682I guess if there is no reasonable way to report the bug, I won't waste my time trying to analyze the exact cause or conditions where it reproducabley occurs.
12:34.22Guest91682I really would like to help with this though.
12:35.13Guest91682why is it that you require an account for a bug report to be made.  You are probably only getting a tiny fraction of the help there would otherwise be.
12:36.19Guest91682I certainly would have been willing to spend several hours narrowing down the exact conditions that led to the crash in a predictable fashion.
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12:36.51totteGuest91682: Try your distribution bugtracker or a mailing list?
12:37.17totteGuest91682: Because of spammers, probably, as is with most websites.
12:37.23Guest91682if you don't want the help enough to allow everyone to report bugs, my desire to do contortions to help is greatly reduced.
12:37.58Guest91682I don't post to mailing lists that require accounts either.
12:38.26Guest91682actually, I don't really socialize on the web.  I only provide important feedback, which I thought this was.
12:38.41moviurototte: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7415778 <- with this I'm almost reaching for something that actually makes the web a bit less aggressive to my eyes :) (though there are still many issues)
12:38.50totteTough call, send a complaint to the system administrators for KDE.org?
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12:39.04moviuroGuest91682: contact the Konsole devs?
12:39.19Guest91682it would be nice if you found another way to allow people to report bugs and yet at the same time keeping spammers away.  Is there no other solution?
12:39.54Guest91682I thought it was a kde-wide requirement that you open an account to make a bug report.
12:40.02Guest91682is it konsole specific?
12:40.36totteI usually require tedious captcha tests on websites I manage, I can't speak for KDE since I'm not a member.
12:40.47Guest91682captcha is a great idea
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12:40.57totteGuest91682: Without the backtrace, noone but you can say.
12:41.05Guest91682that is definitely an acceptable solution and precisely what I was hinting at.
12:41.18Guest91682I have all the backtraces saved.
12:41.42moviurototte: if you have a personnal stylesheet that somewhat does the same thing that I want to do, would you mind sharing?
12:42.14Guest91682oh yes please encourage others to use your excellent solution totte
12:43.06tottemoviuro: Sorry, I gave up on that quest looong ago. :( Don't let that deter you, though.
12:43.17moviuro^_^
12:43.35totteGuest91682: kde-webmaster@kde.org, try contacting them there, see what they say.
12:43.37Guest91682well at least let moviuro know totte
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12:46.04Guest91682totte I'll do that after I find a good replacement to use in the interim -- any suggestions?
12:46.21moviurototte: http://people.ds.cam.ac.uk/ssb22/css/
12:46.28moviurofinished in two clicks xD
12:46.59tottemoviuro: Oh wow, nice find!
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12:47.40totteGuest91682: Replacement for Konsole? Not really. rxvt-unicode or st perhaps.
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13:12.55ovidiu-florinhello world
13:13.47ovidiu-florinis there a way that I can use the keyboard to navigate through the open windows? I mean a more efficient way than alt + Tab. something that I can use the arrows to navigate.
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13:23.41Crendgrimovidiu-florin: I don't know how it would be more efficient, but once you started the window switcher with alt-tab, you can let go of tab and use the arrow keys from there.
13:24.07ovidiu-florinoh, you're right
13:24.13ovidiu-florinI forgot that.
13:24.14ovidiu-florinthank you
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13:24.30Crendgrimalt+shift+tab also allows you to go back, if you did not know that.
13:25.11Crendgrimovidiu-florin: or try using the "show all windows" effect (I think its default keybinding is Ctrl+F9 for the current desktop), you can navigate via the arrow keys there as well.
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13:27.47ovidiu-florinthat's what I was looking for
13:27.48ovidiu-florinthank you
13:38.13hateballovidiu-florin: you can also type to find the window in that effect
13:38.21hateballrather than navigate with arrows or whatever
13:38.46hateballand... you can also just fire up krunner and type something related to what is open in the window you are looking for
13:38.53hateballand it will offer to switch you there
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13:44.14moviurocrap, konqueror stopped working. It will simply not go on internet anymore: "Waiting for reply..."
13:44.27moviuro(chrome works though)
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13:47.08moviuroit will just go to about:blank
13:47.56moviuroI tried to kill all konqueror processes
13:48.04moviurodid not change anything
13:55.50moviurook, so it's webkit's fault
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14:13.11Safa_[A_boy]What happend to kross?
14:14.26moviuroSafa_[A_boy]: what was kross? (never heard or saw it since KDE4.1 IIRC)
14:14.42Safa_[A_boy]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kross_%28KDE%29
14:15.46moviuroOh, I thought it was a software ^_^ anyway -> #kde-devel ?
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14:19.00jthomasGood day! I'm running Debian Testing with KDE 4.11.5.  When I use the Google Chrome browser (not Chromium) to access VMware ESX Web Interface and I launch a Console to view a running machine, I cannot pass the [Ctrl][C] keystroke to that remote Console.  I'm thinking KDE is somehow capturing that keystroke; any suggestions for passing it through?
14:23.29jalalsfsjthomas: Have you tried this in another environment? like xfce or lxde ..etc?
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14:24.31jthomasi have not
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14:25.09jthomasi have a pretty newly installed desktop and i'd prefer to not clutter my environment :)
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14:26.41jalalsfsjthomas: I recommend you to ask in #vmware
14:27.32jthomasi am, no help yet; someone said to bother Debian, not exactly helpful or friendly
14:27.58jalalsfsYou'll see people use different OS and environment.
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14:29.01jthomasfor sure
14:29.16jalalsfsjthomas: If you use chromium?
14:29.53jthomasnope, the Adobe Flash for Linux is stunted at 11.2; ESX Web needs 11.5, so it has to be the Chrome browser
14:30.05jthomaswhich has Flash built into it
14:30.21Sho_jthomas: KDE isn't capturing your keystroke
14:31.22jthomasSho_ can you tell me more?  what may be?  how I can pass them through?
14:32.04Sho_jthomas: I'm guessing it's down to how Chromium handles keyboard event routing
14:32.20Sho_Try clicking into the console to make sure the Flash object has keyboard focus
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14:33.35jthomasI have, for sure
14:33.44jthomasChrome, not Chromium, FWIW
14:33.50Sho_Same thing more or less
14:34.18jthomasSure, just a Flash difference.  I'll have focus there in a console, start a ping, and I cannot stop that ping.  No change in focus
14:35.15zenguy_pcmorning
14:35.22jthomasgood morning
14:35.24zenguy_pcwhat version is kde windows at now?
14:35.37Sho_4.10 I believe
14:35.59zenguy_pci was thiking about bash on windows and a thogu about kate and the terminal within it.. does the windows version of kate has terminal and bash ?
14:36.14Sho_No
14:36.28Sho_There is a branch of Konsole that implements Windows console support (i.e. a CMD frontend)
14:36.32Sho_But no bash on Windows
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14:36.57jthomasthe Windows DOES have KIO-Slaves tho, which is AMAZING to have available
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14:38.24zenguy_pcthats good... as an aside.. is cygwin the easiet way to get a bash shell on windows.. i tried it on a netbook with xp 2 motnhs ago and it could get really slow
14:38.39Sho_msys might be another easy way
14:38.53jthomasit's the only way i know, unfortunately, but there may be options out there...
14:39.02Sho_it's either msys or cygwin
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14:59.37jthomasSho_  http://sflanders.net/2014/03/20/ctrl-character-passthrough-vsphere-web-client/  frustrating; any ideas for a KDE keybd combo that might somehow work?
15:00.28Sho_jthomas: I'm not really sure why you're focusing on the KDE aspect :)
15:00.55jthomaslol, well I'm in KDE and it has the best configurability, I was hhoping that'd be useful in this regard
15:01.42Sho_jthomas: You could maybe try using xdotool or xvkbd to send virtual keyboard events to the relevant window, but since the problem is almost certainly internal to Chrome I don't expect that to make much of a difference
15:01.43jthomasI've got reports that the [Ctrl][C] works in Kubuntu 12.04 and in Fedora (dunno which), so something is different in my setup
15:02.01jthomasthose distros using Chrome
15:02.04jthomasyeah , ok thanks
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15:02.39Sho_jthomas: longer-term a version of Rekonq based on Qt WebEngine, which uses Blink and thus can host the Pepper version of Flash, might help you but you're talking a year-ish out or so
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15:03.23jthomasok thanks for the idea / lead
15:03.29moviurojthomas: did you try in a bare Xorg session? $ xinit -- :1 vt9
15:03.37moviuroand try to reproduce
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15:07.56totteSafa_[A_boy]_: I think it just went away silently in favour of PyKDE etc.
15:09.29moviurojthomas: ping?
15:09.52jthomasi have not
15:10.30moviurotry it: if it works, then it is KDE related. If it doesn't, then you'll have to ask someone else ^_^
15:10.53moviuroto switch back to the current Xorg: Ctral Alt F7 (or F8, depending on your distro)
15:11.12moviuro*Ctrl
15:11.50jthomassure
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15:14.06jthomasneat trick, starting X like that, new to me :)  but at that point, Chome worked until I opened a console and then NONE of my keys were passed into the remote machine
15:14.52moviurojthomas: the cursor has to be over chrome
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15:19.34moviurook, leaving now
15:19.42jthomasyep, it was
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15:35.11Safa_[A_boy]_totte: :(
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15:44.42Safa_[A_boy]_totte: How can I use it (pyKDE) with lokalize?
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