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| 00:13.08 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | so the question then becomes, which distro to install to use KDE on ? |
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| 00:14.39 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | and, how do you disable all the desktop tracking, logging and file indexing? (nepomuk and other things i dont quite understand) |
| 00:17.12 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | so kubuntu and mint 16 kde is what i can think off |
| 00:17.21 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | Kubuntu: Sends any data to canonical/spyware ?? |
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| 00:17.51 | roney | cr45h0v3r1d3, what are you talking about? |
| 00:17.56 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | Mint 16 kde: What exactly is up with their security updates? Kernel security updates are hidden by default, and if you do manually install them, mint will become unstable&unreliable lol ? |
| 00:18.14 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | roney: ahh well yesterday I was in here "discovering kde" ;) and i loved it |
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| 00:18.22 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | roney: so now i just have to install something with kde on it ;) |
| 00:19.22 | roney | choose a system that fits your needs and won't give you much headaches |
| 00:19.53 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | sounds like a plan |
| 00:20.05 | roney | by the way, be careful when you say a distro has spyware in it |
| 00:20.07 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | kde seems to fit my needs well as i have two monitors and *alot* of windows open i need to manage well |
| 00:20.21 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | roney: i didnt say it did have spyware. i asked if it did |
| 00:20.28 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | but yes i will say default ubuntu has spyware in it though. |
| 00:21.17 | roney | then the answer is no, kubuntu has no spyware :-) |
| 00:21.29 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | lol, well thats always good news ;-) |
| 00:22.44 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | The wobbly windows, and 3D desktop cube, that should run fine on my integrated intel HD4000 iGPU right ? (i have a laptop with HD4000, and optimus discrete nvidia gpu) |
| 00:23.20 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | I guess intel HD4000 is probably a well supported iGPU throughout the linux/Xorg/kde software stacks |
| 00:25.37 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | i do understand optimus is a *pain* to get working though |
| 00:25.46 | roney | I have the same GPU, it works awesomely |
| 00:25.54 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | awesome news roney |
| 00:26.13 | roney | my nvidia card is a different thing though |
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| 00:26.38 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | yeah i think i will have to go through the pain of optimus, 32bit libs, and making steam games work accelerated etc |
| 00:26.50 | roney | I can use to run some games or specific software only with some ugly workarounds |
| 00:27.37 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | yeah hd4000 should be plenty powerful for desktop effects i think |
| 00:27.47 | roney | what I do (when I have the patience is): install bumblebee, then the nvidia binary blob and run everything via bumblebee |
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| 00:28.19 | roney | in order to get better integration with the system you can edit the menu entry for some programs so they get called through bumblebee instead |
| 00:28.32 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | yeah first time i got optimus working was with slightly older distro, and tried to get everything going through the nvidia, gave up and just got bumblebee working instead |
| 00:29.06 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | yeah i think its only really 3D games i need to put through the nvidia anyway |
| 00:30.37 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | so i do have to make a decision too, install kubuntu or mint16 kde |
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| 01:23.49 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | how do you disable desktop tracking with nepomuk? |
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| 01:29.48 | valorie | alt+f2, type in `baloo`, use the config to blacklist your home |
| 01:29.57 | valorie | nepomuk is on the way out |
| 01:30.21 | valorie | although i guess it depends on what distro & kde version you are using |
| 01:30.41 | valorie | if it is kub. 14.04, that works |
| 01:30.50 | valorie | dunno about mint |
| 01:31.31 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | valorie: i'm running kub 14.04 in a vm. ok so i ran baloo. and up pooped "Desktop Search - KDE Control Module" |
| 01:31.37 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | hmm can I just blacklist * in here lol ? |
| 01:31.46 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | i.e., do not store, track log or index anything |
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| 01:34.42 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | hmm not sure what version of kde mint16 kde has, but its Desktop Search - System settings is abit different, it has Enable Nepomuk Semantic Desktop (tick yes or no). Enable Nepomuk File Indexer (tick yes or no). Enable Email Indexer (tick yes or not). Then under an indexing tab there seem to be more options to exclude * from being indexed |
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| 01:35.37 | valorie | cr45h0v3r1d3: not sure about that, I guess you can try |
| 01:35.52 | valorie | after baloo is done though, it's almost invisible |
| 01:36.13 | valorie | yes, the mint version of KDE must be older |
| 01:36.57 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | ahh yes i see mint 16 kde uses version 4.11 |
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| 01:41.30 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | valorie: hmm so baloo is responsible for storing indexing data of files on the hard drive ? |
| 01:42.10 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | I see Baloo is the newer version of Nepomuk |
| 01:45.00 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | hmm `apt-get remove baloo*` didnt seem to bork kub, except dolphin is gone lol |
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| 01:55.27 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | i think there is some low level apt option to stop dolphin being removed when removing baloo* |
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| 02:00.00 | valorie | baloo is pretty basic; search (basic function of dolphin) won't work without it |
| 02:00.11 | valorie | so I imagine it is a hard dependency |
| 02:00.27 | valorie | otoh, you can use konqueror as both web browser and file browser |
| 02:00.55 | valorie | sorry I keep disappearing |
| 02:01.07 | valorie | neighbor kids keep showing up |
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| 02:03.42 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | ah yeah |
| 02:04.09 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | yeah i guess if i stopped dolphin from being deinstalled, its search functions rely upon baloo but i dont think anything else does |
| 02:04.59 | valorie | I'm sure kmail depends on it for search |
| 02:05.14 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | yeah i think kmail depends up on it too |
| 02:05.18 | valorie | it is a general useful search, and very light-- after it finishes |
| 02:05.20 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | i dont really use email all that mch anyway |
| 02:05.35 | valorie | how is life possible without email? |
| 02:05.43 | valorie | lol |
| 02:05.48 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | lol |
| 02:06.59 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | can always use voip i suppose |
| 02:07.13 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | hmm about the only search that doesnt use a big db of things is probably gnu's `find` |
| 02:08.41 | valorie | i used to `updatedb` and `locate` |
| 02:08.46 | valorie | but baloo is better |
| 02:09.06 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | yeah i seem to use locate a fair bit on the commandline, which also uses the updatedb database |
| 02:10.36 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | `find / -name kde` isnt exactly very fast |
| 02:10.37 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | lol |
| 02:12.42 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | i dont know how to configure baloo properly, easier to delete it and not have find i guess |
| 02:12.47 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | i know where most of my files are anyway |
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| 02:17.14 | Jucato | there isn't exactly much to configure in Baloo other than what directories not to scan. (more info http://vhanda.in/blog/2014/04/desktop-search-configuration/). it's also more than just what updatedb/locate/find does, more like a combination of find and grep, that works not just on text files or file names (also mail, not sure about videos and music yet) |
| 02:18.44 | valorie | yes, I love baloo |
| 02:18.54 | valorie | wouldn't dream of limiting or removing it |
| 02:18.57 | Jucato | (read the comments too, some info there as well) |
| 02:19.03 | DaZ | http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/20/derp7.png |
| 02:19.09 | DaZ | it is yet another best thing since sliced bread |
| 02:19.40 | valorie | I prefer to slice my own bread, usually |
| 02:19.43 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | well, do not index * lol ? |
| 02:19.58 | Jucato | might be best to file a bug or poke vHanda. i've honestly never experienced that much resource usage |
| 02:20.36 | Jucato | cr45h0v3r1d3: it only indexes your own /home actually. it actually even excludes removable media by default (unless you remove that in the exclude list) |
| 02:20.48 | DaZ | it's probably some kind of heisenbug, like always ,_, |
| 02:20.55 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | Jucato: ahh so thats what it defaults too |
| 02:21.21 | DaZ | i have no use for stuff like this at all so i just killed it. |
| 02:22.32 | valorie | I think the only way to improve it, is to ramp down the indexing when the user is trying to accomplish other tasks |
| 02:22.37 | Jucato | and is unlikely to get fixed for others if it remains unreported |
| 02:23.12 | valorie | I've been unable to talk people dissatisfied with this, to file bugs |
| 02:23.16 | valorie | unfortunately |
| 02:24.14 | DaZ | dunno, while i was looking if there's any sane way of disabling it i've stumbled into heaps of threads on how it noms resources |
| 02:24.25 | DaZ | so i assumed somebody might have reported it ,_, |
| 02:24.34 | DaZ | but maybe not |
| 02:24.55 | Jucato | i assume those heaps didn't. far easier not to |
| 02:24.56 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | im thinking apt-get remove might disable it |
| 02:25.13 | DaZ | not really |
| 02:25.15 | Jucato | as noted in the blog post, just put your /home in the excluded list and it won't run |
| 02:25.21 | Jucato | or rather, it won't index anything |
| 02:25.49 | Jucato | apt-get might also remove a lot of other things depending on how your distro packaged things |
| 02:25.49 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | and setting a root owned chmod 400 chattr +immuntable symlink to /dev/null for where it stores all its databases |
| 02:26.31 | DaZ | partially because i don't have apt, and partially because stuff just doesn't turn on without the shared libs :v |
| 02:26.36 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | Jucato: yeah seems on kubuntu 14.04 nothing important got removed, except for dolphin which i think theres some apt directive to stop that |
| 02:26.37 | Jucato | which is of course exponentially easier than excluding your home directory |
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| 02:27.09 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | Jucato: my experience is the most reliable method is what i suggested |
| 02:27.20 | DaZ | but the good old chmod -x on every related thing solves the problem, kek |
| 02:27.28 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | apps that say things like "There is no explicit Enable/Disable button any more. We would like to promote the use of searching" often lie or are not reliable to turn off using their own inbuilt mechanisms |
| 02:28.43 | Jucato | often lie ... great |
| 02:29.01 | DaZ | it's a conspiracy |
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| 02:29.53 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | well i tried disabling gnomes indexer/tracker thing using its own inbuilt mechanisms |
| 02:30.03 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | didnt seem to work |
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| 02:30.51 | Jucato | hands valorie a gallon of cookies. need to get back to work |
| 02:33.36 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | DaZ: lol, well this guy certainly seems to think it's all a conspiracy: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7522240.html post by proteusx starting with the line "I updated to KDE-4.13 today in the hope that Kmail filtering would at last work" |
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| 02:35.03 | DaZ | i kind of see his point ,_, |
| 02:37.22 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | DaZ: yeah i kind of see it too |
| 02:37.46 | valorie | I do not, and that thread makes me happier than ever I left gentoo a long time ago |
| 02:38.24 | valorie | I'll bet none of these idiots filed a single bug |
| 02:39.49 | valorie | behavior like this is what gives gentoo a bad name |
| 02:40.09 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | what deleting something they dont want ? |
| 02:40.12 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | or not filing bug reports / |
| 02:40.39 | valorie | not filing bug reports and instead slagging on the devels in their own distro forum |
| 02:40.44 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | GPL, user has the freedom to delete bits they dont want |
| 02:40.48 | DaZ | not filing bug reports is weak |
| 02:40.49 | valorie | of course |
| 02:41.06 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | yeah i dont mean to be offensive to the hardworking developers, sorry if i come across that way |
| 02:41.11 | valorie | exactly DaZ - not sinful, just WEAK |
| 02:41.17 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | i do mean to think, hmm how do i delete things i dont want |
| 02:41.35 | valorie | naturally |
| 02:41.43 | valorie | KDE is meant to be configurable |
| 02:41.44 | DaZ | but on the other hand, i get it they don't want to waste their time to report about stuff they don't even want :v |
| 02:41.50 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | Yeah high cpu usage should be filed as a bug, with details to see why its consuming lots of cpu |
| 02:42.24 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | DaZ: yeah i dont want it, so i think, hmm, best way too delete would be " " |
| 02:43.03 | DaZ | and it's kind of reported |
| 02:43.21 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | yeah i would think that high cpu usage got reported a fair bit |
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| 02:44.47 | DaZ | i'm too neckbeard for this, the closest i get to indexing is find . -name "*.pdf" > pdfs ,_, |
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| 02:45.01 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | lol |
| 02:45.13 | valorie | I never pictured you with a neckbeard, DaZ |
| 02:45.17 | valorie | lol |
| 02:45.31 | DaZ | it's a mental neckbeard |
| 02:45.44 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | i dunno i have semanticly named folders, documents_asm for example, and in there is asm source code |
| 02:47.11 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | probably the only thing i really need to search is if i can recover my raid array that has about 10,000 songs on it, so in the media player i can type "alanis mori" for example and get alanis moriset |
| 02:48.01 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | i had raid5, hardware raid controller died lol |
| 02:48.35 | IkeKrull | i don't know why anyone thinks the 'desktop environment' is the right layer of the system for this stuff anyway. if theres no system-wide search that gnome, kde and concoles apps can all use, its a huge fail |
| 02:49.11 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | yeah i prefer it to be in an app myself, for example years ago when i used winamp for example i remember it had a .db of the music |
| 02:49.14 | IkeKrull | s/concoles/console/ |
| 02:50.51 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | and i gave that app (winamp) only afew music folders to index/track |
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| 02:56.31 | valorie | amarok can search on its own, and will probably experiment with baloo also |
| 02:56.47 | valorie | we had an experimental nepomuk index |
| 02:56.59 | valorie | it never worked perfectly |
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| 02:57.12 | Phr33d0m | like the current nepomuk |
| 02:57.25 | IkeKrull | nepomuk never worked properly? wait, what? |
| 02:57.32 | IkeKrull | HOLD THE PHONE |
| 02:57.46 | Phr33d0m | omgosh dont say that's news to you?! |
| 02:57.47 | thiago | not for me, no |
| 02:57.54 | thiago | nepomuk wasn't the problem; virtuoso was |
| 02:58.00 | Phr33d0m | ^ |
| 02:58.01 | thiago | it was horrible as a database |
| 02:58.12 | thiago | and as software, in general terms |
| 03:00.44 | Psi-Jack | I'd like to know if it's possible to fix this, or simply reset just the configuration for the pannels responsible for this odd bug that showed up some time back, specifically the handle on the right side of the main kpanel: http://i.imgur.com/VBP47kV.png |
| 03:00.51 | Psi-Jack | It's... Backwards, and I can't figure out how to fix it. |
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| 03:02.58 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | hmm so clearly kubuntu is the way to go anyway, since mint says they hide kernel updates (and afew others) by default, and if you install newer kernels (to get security patches) then newer kernels are completely untested with mint and you'll likely get an unstable or unreliable system |
| 03:03.14 | valorie | Psi-Jack: I looked at that earlier, but don't see the "handle" you mention |
| 03:03.25 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | i dont really want to use old kernels with known remote root vulns in them |
| 03:03.29 | Psi-Jack | it's on the far right side. |
| 03:03.36 | valorie | the cashew? |
| 03:03.37 | Psi-Jack | The half ying. |
| 03:03.40 | Psi-Jack | yes. |
| 03:03.44 | valorie | that's not a handle |
| 03:03.51 | valorie | that opens the menu |
| 03:04.03 | Psi-Jack | Well, it hides when you lock the panel. :p |
| 03:04.20 | valorie | for configuring the panel, or adding widgets, etc. |
| 03:04.24 | valorie | ok |
| 03:05.30 | IkeKrull | Psi-Jack: you would have to modify kde source code to hide that |
| 03:05.32 | Psi-Jack | But, anyway, sometime several months ago, that flipped around, on both monitors, two different panels. |
| 03:05.47 | Psi-Jack | i don't want to hide it. I want it to be in the correct orientation. |
| 03:06.28 | DaZ | cr45h0v3r1d3: most of the distros integrate security patches into older kernels |
| 03:06.42 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | DaZ: yeah most of them do...except i think mint doesnt lol |
| 03:07.35 | DaZ | cr45h0v3r1d3: mint takes it from debian |
| 03:07.42 | IkeKrull | Psi-Jack: yeah, actually, that is pretty weird |
| 03:07.51 | valorie | from debian? |
| 03:07.57 | IkeKrull | almost looks better that way though |
| 03:08.10 | valorie | I thought mint was using old *buntu packages |
| 03:08.11 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | DaZ: mint lmde edition takes it from debian, mint KDE takes it from ubuntu, but hides any kernel updates by default, and tells you knew kernels are untested, and will likely result in an unstable or unreliable computer |
| 03:08.14 | DaZ | dunno, there's ubuntu and debian spin ,_, |
| 03:08.25 | valorie | ok |
| 03:08.33 | valorie | I don't know much about mint |
| 03:08.35 | Psi-Jack | Yeah, it should look like my laptop does: http://i.imgur.com/cKGFwPH.png |
| 03:08.42 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | Mint LMDE is an edition based on debian. everything else is a ubuntu derived distro |
| 03:09.38 | Psi-Jack | This is how it looks when it's not fully at the edge of the screen: http://i.imgur.com/uvt40lS.png |
| 03:09.42 | valorie | Psi-Jack: finally I see what you mean |
| 03:10.01 | valorie | the curved line at the edge is reversed |
| 03:10.03 | DaZ | Psi-Jack: restart plasma-desktop maybe? :v |
| 03:10.04 | valorie | odd |
| 03:10.04 | Psi-Jack | yes. |
| 03:10.13 | Psi-Jack | DaZ: I've rebooted many times in the past months. |
| 03:10.29 | DaZ | kek |
| 03:10.30 | Psi-Jack | One day it just flipped and never stopped being like that. this has been ongoing for month. |
| 03:10.33 | Psi-Jack | months* |
| 03:10.43 | Psi-Jack | I'm just now trying to sort it out and fix it. :) |
| 03:10.47 | IkeKrull | its almost like the widget has ended up with a negative scale factor or something |
| 03:11.01 | valorie | the experts live in #plasma |
| 03:11.04 | Psi-Jack | IkeKrull: Except that it's mirrored. :) |
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| 03:13.15 | Psi-Jack | if I deleted the kde conf or used a new user, it's fine. It's just my long-living account that it somehow got messed up one day while under KDE 4.10 or 4.11 |
| 03:13.44 | Psi-Jack | I'm on 4.12.4 now. :) |
| 03:14.36 | Psi-Jack | Annnnnd. it's like that on both KPanels for both monitors.. That's what gets me the most. They both literally 'flipped' out. |
| 03:14.38 | DaZ | Psi-Jack: check if it's caused by ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc |
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| 03:16.25 | Psi-Jack | Hmm, not sure what I'm looking for in this >600 line file. ;) |
| 03:16.41 | DaZ | Psi-Jack: move it somewhere else and restart plasma :v |
| 03:17.00 | Psi-Jack | How would I restart plasma? |
| 03:17.30 | DaZ | kquitapp plasma-desktop; plasma-desktop |
| 03:18.07 | Psi-Jack | Well, that certainly resolved the issue. |
| 03:19.26 | DaZ | Psi-Jack: then look for a section with plugin=panel and paste it somewhere :v |
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| 03:20.07 | DaZ | or it's something in related thingies with the same number after [containments] |
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| 03:20.09 | Psi-Jack | Looks like I have two containments like that, I'll paste both in order as they are in the file. |
| 03:20.48 | brli | hi, how can I clean up ktp account settings in ~/ ? |
| 03:21.09 | brli | I'd like to regenerate all the ktp configurations |
| 03:21.12 | Psi-Jack | http://paste.linux-help.org/view/04b5ced0 |
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| 03:22.24 | DaZ | you have two panels? :v |
| 03:22.28 | Psi-Jack | I do. |
| 03:22.40 | Psi-Jack | On screen 0 and 1. |
| 03:22.51 | DaZ | ah |
| 03:23.19 | Psi-Jack | I have their task managers set to show only each screen's apps, so I could maximize utilization. :) |
| 03:23.47 | DaZ | much optimized |
| 03:24.22 | Psi-Jack | But, looking further at this, looks like each of those goes a little deeper, and you'd need more than that section I pasted. |
| 03:24.24 | Psi-Jack | hehe |
| 03:25.23 | DaZ | all of that stuff deeper is just widgets on the panel, afaik :v |
| 03:25.44 | DaZ | i have no idea what's going on though |
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| 03:28.45 | Psi-Jack | Well, either way, a few-re-adjustments and I'm back to normal. |
| 03:29.22 | DaZ | ;3 |
| 03:29.30 | Psi-Jack | At least it'll stop bothering me seeing that mirrored ying. :) |
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| 03:33.01 | Psi-Jack | DaZ: Thanks. That helped. :) |
| 03:33.43 | DaZ | yw |
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| 03:37.42 | Psi-Jack | heh, I wonder if ktp's gotten usable yet. |
| 03:38.08 | Psi-Jack | Always have had issues with it compared to pidgin. :/ |
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| 04:07.38 | pietro10 | Hi. I want to pull some sticky notes from the Plasma Desktop sticky notes widget, I forget the name already, from an old hard drive. Where would these files be? Thanks. |
| 04:08.33 | DaZ | pietro10: ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc |
| 04:08.40 | DaZ | it's a big blob of html |
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| 04:23.42 | pietro10 | DaZ: thanks |
| 04:25.23 | pietro10 | hm |
| 04:25.26 | pietro10 | doesn't seem to be there...? |
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| 04:26.40 | pietro10 | ah there we go |
| 04:26.52 | pietro10 | .kde/share/apps/knotes/notes.ics |
| 04:27.15 | DaZ | wut |
| 04:27.25 | pietro10 | oh, I guess tha twasn't the plasma widget after all |
| 04:27.30 | pietro10 | still the KDE component |
| 04:27.32 | pietro10 | heh |
| 04:27.38 | DaZ | apparently not ;3 |
| 04:27.48 | pietro10 | again my memory of it was dull; I just wanted to get the text out |
| 04:27.52 | pietro10 | thanks though |
| 04:28.05 | pietro10 | (now to find a vCalendar->text converter) |
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| 05:37.45 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | so first thing ubuntu installer cd tries to do is contact canonical anyway |
| 05:37.48 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | lol |
| 05:38.03 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | kubuntu* installer dvd that is |
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| 05:40.23 | valorie | what do you mean? |
| 05:40.38 | valorie | if you ask for updates and non-free, that has to be downloaded |
| 05:41.08 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | i mean i have a host-only network and kali sniffing it, and faking ntp, httpd, dns, etc that it tries to talk too |
| 05:41.20 | valorie | it is not necessary to be online to install, unless you want that stuff |
| 05:41.26 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | no you do not have to ask for anything for it to contact canonical, it does so without user input or intervention |
| 05:41.45 | valorie | well, I've installed without being online |
| 05:41.51 | valorie | many times |
| 05:41.54 | valorie | as do others |
| 05:42.01 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | i never said it would not install without an internet connection |
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| 05:42.06 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | obviously it will install packages without internet |
| 05:42.16 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | i said the first thing the installer cd does it is tries to contact canonical |
| 05:42.28 | thiago | can you tell what request was made? |
| 05:42.30 | valorie | I'd be interested to hear what the nature of that communication is |
| 05:42.38 | DaZ | ^ this |
| 05:43.09 | thiago | it can be just a check to see if there are updates available to the installation |
| 05:44.35 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | my analysis is it does a check to see if you are on the internet, it also tries to the time from ntp.ubuntu.com (so it knows the time), it also checks if updates are available, it also does a geo-ip lookup. I only just started but so far it looks like it is for checking updates, auto-setting timezones and stuff, and canonical collecting installation statistics per geographical region |
| 05:44.55 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | so i havent seen anything hugely sinister like it sents off your root password hehe |
| 05:44.59 | valorie | sounds reasonable to me |
| 05:45.14 | valorie | otherwise you can't suggest the correct settings to the user |
| 05:45.56 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | yeah just mentioning it does this all with canonical, for those wanting to get away from canonical for whatever reasons |
| 05:46.00 | thiago | the geo-ip might be for the timezone |
| 05:46.07 | valorie | there is a setting, off by default, to report your version to Canonical |
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| 05:46.26 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | yeah the geo ip probably is about getting correct timezones and canonical seeing installation statistics in regions |
| 05:46.33 | valorie | for stats |
| 05:46.46 | thiago | they'll get the statistics from the updates hitting the servers |
| 05:46.55 | thiago | they don't need the geo-ip from you |
| 05:47.24 | valorie | I've never heard them report regional stats |
| 05:47.30 | valorie | only by version |
| 05:48.02 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | hey man, well you know, thats what i reckon |
| 05:48.28 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | seems to be a fair bit of mdns and ip6 traffic too |
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| 05:49.21 | valorie | if one wanted to "get away from Canonical" installing Kubuntu seems the wrong away around |
| 05:49.34 | valorie | since they host us |
| 05:49.46 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | thiago: true they could also get geoip installation stats if the install dvd hits a installer-only update url |
| 05:50.15 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | valorie: yeah getting away from canonical in its entirety would really mean not using anything ubuntu, including ubuntu derived OS'es |
| 05:50.23 | thiago | cr45h0v3r1d3: they know when you installed when you download an update that has been available since the release |
| 05:50.33 | thiago | the first thing anyone does after installing is to update |
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| 05:50.51 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | true, ppl sometimes set things to some mirrors and stuff too |
| 05:51.17 | thiago | if you don't want to give canonical the information, choose a different mirror before updating |
| 05:51.44 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | installation states i.e. +1 user in X country isnt a big concern to me |
| 05:52.02 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | copying off all local file searches to the, and the way it was introduced unsuspectingly on ppl, thats another story |
| 05:52.21 | thiago | always disable that search-as-you-type feature |
| 05:52.34 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | the unity lens amazon thing that is |
| 05:52.40 | thiago | it's banned in our company -- unacceptable leakage of information |
| 05:53.02 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | yeah i know someone who ditched ubuntu after finding that on his machine |
| 05:53.32 | thiago | I erased it as soon as I got my computer |
| 05:53.41 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | yeah i wouldnt install ubuntu myself either hehe |
| 05:54.18 | valorie | we don't use unity in any way in Kubuntu |
| 05:54.26 | valorie | or lenses |
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| 05:55.01 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | yeah you use the awesome KDE ;) |
| 05:55.07 | valorie | exactly |
| 05:55.20 | valorie | that's been the aim from day one |
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| 06:15.08 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | i dunno what all the plasma mdns broadcast/multicast stuff was i was seeing before |
| 06:15.13 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | probably some avahi stuff or something |
| 06:18.32 | lordievader | Good morning. |
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| 08:12.15 | ELQEYNN | There is a very good chess game on gnome. Can it also run on kde? |
| 08:13.01 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | what distro you using ? |
| 08:13.44 | ELQEYNN | opensuse 13.1 |
| 08:13.49 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | i dont see why it wouldnt work, some of those apps though might pull in a *huge* gtk +- gnome bunch of libraries and stuff tho might not be what u want. i usually see what would get installed with `apt-get --simulate install gnome-chess` for example |
| 08:14.47 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | right so that uses YaST |
| 08:15.05 | ELQEYNN | Is there a good solitaire game in kde? |
| 08:17.16 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | ELQEYNN: like this one http://www.kde.org/applications/games/kpatience/ ? |
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| 08:18.13 | BlaXpirit | mm yeah that's a good game |
| 08:18.42 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | this looks like MMORPG chess lol http://opendesktop.org/content/preview.php?preview=3&id=122046&file1=122046-1.png&file2=122046-2.png&file3=122046-3.png&name=Knights&PHPSESSID=bd807edb9501131439281b74905a1a16 |
| 08:19.09 | BlaXpirit | huh |
| 08:19.24 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | that chess has multiplayer |
| 08:19.27 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | online |
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| 10:07.07 | BluesKaj | 'Morning folks |
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| 10:10.29 | mah454 | baloo make disk sleep on my system ! |
| 10:10.32 | mah454 | How can fix this ? |
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| 10:11.26 | mah454 | this process " baloo_file_cleaner" |
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| 10:32.18 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | hmm so to disable/uninstall all mru, recently used, indexing etc, components involved in that are akonadi, nepomuk, baloo, Is there anything else ? |
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| 10:35.31 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | hmm virtuoso |
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| 10:39.20 | toad_ | tell baloo to index as little as possible |
| 10:39.40 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | toad_: i will probably just uninstall it |
| 10:39.44 | toad_ | or just wait until it is finished, then it should run relatively unobtrusively |
| 10:39.54 | toad_ | k, kontakt will go as well |
| 10:40.00 | toad_ | think that is a dependency |
| 10:40.18 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | k, kontakt is like an address book thing right? that should be ok since i dont really use that |
| 10:41.00 | toad_ | kontakt = kmail, kalendar etc |
| 10:41.06 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | ahhh right |
| 10:41.11 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | yeah i dont really use calendars either |
| 10:41.19 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | i suppose i will have to use thunderbird for email client |
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| 10:41.49 | toad_ | in that case you are free to go ;) |
| 10:41.55 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | neato :) |
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| 10:43.31 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | toad_: i just wont wibbly wobbly windows and 3d desktop cube lol, and good multimonitor support |
| 10:43.50 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | i <3 the kate editor for writing source code in too |
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| 10:49.59 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | hopefully `apt-get remove Akonadi, nepomuk, baloo, virtuoso-odbc, libiodbc, virtuoso-server, soprano, shared-desktop-ontologies, nepomuk-core, nepomuk-widgets, semantic desktop, Soprano, strigi` doesnt bork things too much |
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| 11:00.24 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | i tested removing afew bits in a VM and i think dolphin auto-uninstalled too lol. which could be a problem. hopefully i can hold it back in some apt setting somewhere, and it still runs ok (without file searching). or maybe i find an alternative to dolphin |
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| 11:04.51 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | semantic desktop and a groupware server does look pretty cool though if i see a business who wants to a deploy an integrated linux environment |
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| 13:31.08 | T-Sourcemaker | Im tryining to use kde connect |
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| 13:31.17 | T-Sourcemaker | but my firewall is blocking the request |
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| 14:01.36 | _rd | Hello, since some weeks, kopete is not reconnecting after resume automatically. |
| 14:01.48 | _rd | Has anybody auto-reconnect after resume working? |
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| 14:20.46 | silv3r_m00n | in which directory are the kde wallpapers stored ? |
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| 14:38.32 | _rd | silv3r_m00n: In Debian (I assume holds also for kubuntu): /usr/share/wallpapers/ |
| 14:38.49 | _rd | dpkg -L kde-wallpapers lists them all including paths |
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| 14:54.33 | patkoscsaba | I accidentally hid / deleted my panel. First I thought it is gone forefer so I quickly added another one |
| 14:54.43 | patkoscsaba | the thing is, that it is there, somewhere, hidden |
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| 14:55.06 | patkoscsaba | because all notifications appear twice (once in bottom right for the current panel, and again top-left for the old one) |
| 14:55.16 | patkoscsaba | how can I get rid of / resurrect the old panel? |
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| 15:19.04 | AnAkkkk | hi, is there any way to know which app has started akonadi ? |
| 15:19.20 | AnAkkkk | on one of my computers it's started every time, but I haven't been able to find why |
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| 15:58.43 | TheNexxuz | howdy everyone... anyone using the program "variety" with kde 4.13 ? |
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| 16:07.40 | TheNexxuz | the program 'variety' automatically changes the wallpaper with other nifty little things but it is originally a gnome program... that being said, KDE 4.11 and up do not work with it but the old 'workaround' was select a special image as the wallpaper and variety updates that image and then whenever variety updates the image the wallpaper changes but now it doesn't |
| 16:08.21 | TheNexxuz | it there a way to change the wallpaper via command line? |
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| 16:10.09 | DaZ | it's probably some dbus magic |
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| 16:13.08 | DaZ | or you could do this the dirry way |
| 16:13.27 | DaZ | put that image in a new folder and switch wallpaper to slideshow :3 |
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| 16:14.33 | TheNexxuz | DaZi'll try that |
| 16:15.29 | DaZ | but i think that there already should be scripts for plasma, that do the same thing as variety does :v |
| 16:16.21 | TheNexxuz | well i switch back and forth between gnome / kde / enlightenment / etc. |
| 16:18.04 | TheNexxuz | thank you :D |
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| 16:39.33 | shodan45 | is there a way to get a "launcher" to work over an x11/ssh tunnel? |
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| 16:42.02 | rdieter | shodan45: by launcher do you mean a .desktop shortcut? If so, yes. |
| 16:42.11 | shodan45 | right now I'm manually creating icons for each app I want to run |
| 16:43.24 | shodan45 | rdieter: I'm using ssh -XC -c blowfish-cbc -f suse-terminal "firefox -new-instance" to start firefox remotely & display locally |
| 16:43.51 | rdieter | shodan45: ok, essentially, just put that into the Exec= line of your .desktop file |
| 16:44.02 | shodan45 | rdieter: that's what I did |
| 16:44.22 | rdieter | that should work, though you may have to be careful about quoting |
| 16:45.33 | shodan45 | rdieter: I'm talking about running something like the application launcher |
| 16:45.59 | shodan45 | so I'd end up with 2 launchers - one local & one remote |
| 16:46.09 | rdieter | oh, dont think that's possible |
| 16:46.14 | shodan45 | :( |
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| 16:46.37 | rdieter | the application launcher is a plasma applet, not aware of any way to run those remotely |
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| 16:47.48 | shodan45 | I'd settle for a non-kde launcher... |
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| 16:53.48 | shodan45 | actually, what/how does "share widget" work? I shared the remote system's launcher, and I got a notification on my local system that it can see it |
| 16:54.01 | shodan45 | but..... how do I use it? |
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| 17:12.47 | zanny | Ever since the 4.13 update, I get a policykit notice to raise the folder watch limit for Baloo upon login. Where can I just give Baloo that permission? I think it is org.kde.baloo.filewatch. |
| 17:13.26 | lordievader | Good evening. |
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| 17:19.40 | rdieter | zanny: it's a kernel thing |
| 17:20.14 | rdieter | zanny: if you approve the policykit thing, the tool will modify the setting for you |
| 17:20.19 | rdieter | (it should only happen once) |
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| 17:21.18 | rdieter | zanny: sysctl in question is: fs.inotify.max_user_watches (I believe) |
| 17:22.01 | zanny | Yea I found it, problem was the old nepomuk one was still there and would be processed second requiring Baloo to generate the kauth |
| 17:23.00 | zanny | thanks for the info that made it quick |
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| 17:27.50 | chek2fire | i was for years a loyal kmail user but three years ago i have left for thunderbird |
| 17:28.10 | chek2fire | i try now to work again with kmail but the programme is still very confusing |
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| 17:28.29 | chek2fire | there are 100 options but there is no simple option to merge folders :( |
| 17:28.40 | chek2fire | why you dont keep simple? |
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| 17:31.53 | rdieter | chek2fire: I'm not aware of any email app that makes that task simple |
| 17:32.06 | zanny | chek2fire: I just checked on 4.13, you should make a bug report @ bugs.kde.org if there isn't one that the folder copy / paste context menu with move / copy / etc should also have a merge option. I just open them, ctrl-a the contents, and move those if I need to, though. |
| 17:32.41 | chek2fire | can i merge two gmail account to apear to incoming folder? |
| 17:32.55 | chek2fire | i think before 4-5 years that was a simple task in kmail |
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| 17:33.08 | chek2fire | now is very confusing |
| 17:33.15 | chek2fire | i dont know how to do it |
| 17:36.45 | chek2fire | there is a dozen of options in kmail but there is no option to merge incoming folder account to the incomning programme folder... :P |
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| 17:37.13 | zanny | If you want all the mail in one folder, you should set the mail servers up via pop3 and not imap, that way they all end up in the local inbox. |
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| 17:37.54 | zanny | Don't think there is a way to have all incoming imap messages show up in one folder, though, but I could be wrong. Again, makes sense for a feature request. |
| 17:38.32 | chek2fire | thunderbird do that with imap and not with pop |
| 17:38.42 | chek2fire | and with one simple option |
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| 17:39.44 | chek2fire | the only this is see all incomning mail in one folder |
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| 17:39.57 | chek2fire | thing |
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| 17:40.23 | chek2fire | why is so difficult to set an option to merge folders in one folder with imap? |
| 17:40.46 | chek2fire | you dont need to merge accounts |
| 17:41.01 | chek2fire | ok.. i am off with kmail |
| 17:41.09 | chek2fire | maybe after 5 years again.. :P |
| 17:41.21 | zanny | Kmail is probably designed around each folder have a singular server to retrieve from. IE, folder.refresh() only ever has one server to query. They'd have to add a list of query servers if folders could have multiple imap sources. |
| 17:42.37 | chek2fire | in thunderbird there is one folder incomning and a tree below with separate incoming folders of several accounts |
| 17:42.39 | rdieter | fwiw, I dislike that thunderbird default behavior of merging inboxes. seems to be a feature unique to thunderbird, never seen that elsewhere |
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| 17:43.03 | chek2fire | is very usefull if you have more than one account |
| 17:43.20 | rdieter | I can see how it may be useful for some. For me, it isn't |
| 17:43.26 | zanny | It is one of the reasons I prefer kmail that I can keep my individual accounts seperate and just ignore certain accounts if I don't care to read them. |
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| 17:44.08 | chek2fire | but if you work wirh many email accounts you need to have one folder for incoming emails |
| 17:45.21 | zanny | Like I said, make it a feature request, sounds like something people want and wouldn't be that hard to implement. |
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| 17:45.51 | chek2fire | but i remember that this feature was once available in kmail |
| 17:46.10 | chek2fire | before three or four years |
| 17:46.55 | rdieter | chek2fire: my memory is different, I dont recall kmail ever doing that (though I freely admit I don't have the best memory) |
| 17:47.19 | rdieter | and being surprised experiencing that "feature" with thunderbird |
| 17:47.30 | chek2fire | i dont know maybe i use pop back then |
| 17:47.49 | rdieter | I was about to mention I do imap exclusively. pop indeed did do that |
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| 17:48.25 | chek2fire | maybe i dont remember if i was using imap |
| 17:48.47 | chek2fire | how can i ask developers to add that features? |
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| 17:56.35 | nullvibe | what |
| 17:56.50 | nullvibe | what's so hard about using filters to merge directories? |
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| 17:59.55 | chek2fire | how? |
| 18:00.16 | chek2fire | how can i use that filters i search one hour now and i didnt find anything |
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| 18:05.20 | Programmer_ | Anyone know how to stop Krunner automatically launching if I start typing on the desktop? kinda annoying which I start typing thinking im typing into a window that just popped up? I'm on 14.04 btw. |
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| 18:05.43 | titou | hey |
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| 18:05.58 | titou | i encounter problem while trying to add a new CA certificate through system settings |
| 18:06.06 | titou | when I add it: nothing happens.. |
| 18:06.43 | nullvibe | chek2fire: not entirely sure where the main window is, but there's an option called "Create filter" under the "Message" toolbar item |
| 18:07.40 | nullvibe | thunderbird and nearly every other client offers this particular feature |
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| 18:08.11 | chek2fire | i search that option but i dont see anything for merging |
| 18:08.14 | chek2fire | i will search again |
| 18:08.36 | nullvibe | you have to set up a rule that matches all messages, and the action should be to move to a different folder |
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| 18:08.52 | nullvibe | the folder target would be where ever you want everything merged into |
| 18:09.31 | chek2fire | ok i understand |
| 18:10.10 | chek2fire | i will stay with thunderbird is more simple.. now i see that it dont keep the mails from one account with imap and must reload them.. |
| 18:10.13 | nullvibe | I do this for most of my email accounts, then I use other filters on the target account to get rid of spam and redirect non-critical messages to subfolders, etc |
| 18:10.17 | chek2fire | ok thx for any help |
| 18:10.30 | chek2fire | maybe i will see kmail in 5 years again. |
| 18:10.55 | chek2fire | before years kmail was one of the best email clients out there |
| 18:10.58 | Programmer_ | anyone having issues with the ibus? |
| 18:11.01 | chek2fire | like amarok |
| 18:11.06 | nullvibe | actually, kmail probably can save messages locally too. just like with thunderbird, you may have to the relevant option since it's not on by default (even in thunderbird) |
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| 18:11.23 | nullvibe | err...SET the relevant option |
| 18:11.42 | chek2fire | thunderbird keep imap email without the needing of reload |
| 18:13.00 | nullvibe | only if you've turned on the "Select this folder for offline use" property from Properties->Synchronization |
| 18:14.03 | nullvibe | the default doesn't save messages locally, and it STILL tries to download headers for the locally cached messages from the server even if you have that option set |
| 18:14.11 | chek2fire | and the simple question is why a user has to do all of that and not much simply? |
| 18:14.29 | chek2fire | there is now dozen of confusing options |
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| 18:15.38 | chek2fire | i use kde for years now and i know that has many different options for the user |
| 18:15.48 | chek2fire | but i dont remember kmail to be so complex to use it |
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| 19:09.14 | ToyKeeper | Anyone know when the project first published code, or where its current repo is? |
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| 20:16.11 | ki7rw | not sure where i should ask this but i'll start here - why can't kmail start the certificate manager? |
| 20:16.16 | ki7rw | kmail 4.8.5 |
| 20:16.20 | ki7rw | gpg 1.4.11 |
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| 20:19.31 | ki7rw | ubuntu 12.04 |
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| 20:43.57 | sssilver | Hey guys.. would this be the right place to ask a kcachegrind question? |
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| 20:48.47 | ompaul | sbattey: have you a connection problem? |
| 20:49.53 | ompaul | sssilver: the only way to find out is to ask a detailed question, usual stuff applies was doing X expected Y got Z version blah of foo on Friday's I drink an extra glass of water or whatever else is necessary, paste.kde.org wants your errors |
| 20:51.05 | ki7rw | why can't kmail start the certificate manager? kmail 4.8.5 gpg 1.4.11 ubuntu 12.04 |
| 20:51.26 | sssilver | I’m using kcachegrind to read the output of PHP’s xdebug… apparently 30% of my running time is spent on file_get_contents(), but in the column “Calls” it says (0), which I understand is the number of times the function was invoked. So I’m confused — how can 30% of running time be spent on a function that was invoked (0) times? |
| 20:52.11 | sssilver | and if it wasn’t invoked 0 times, why is there no call stack for me to see for it? |
| 20:54.09 | ompaul | php - now there is a strange bag of worms :) |
| 20:54.41 | ompaul | sssilver: I'm of no use to you, but at least you have a good question out there |
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| 22:13.42 | Haikarainen | Hey guys, how can I disable indexing all together in KDE? I had it activated months ago and managed to disable it (becuase of extremely bad general performance). But now KMail enabled a part of it and I cant remember how to disable everything. (dont know if its only indexing, its baloo/nepomuk stuff) |
| 22:15.01 | Haikarainen | I have random freezes that just puts everything I have open on my desktop on hold for like 5-10 seconds at a time |
| 22:15.06 | Haikarainen | it's making this crap useless. |
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| 22:15.49 | IkeKrull | Haikarainen: apparently, youre supposed to file a bug |
| 22:16.14 | Haikarainen | IkeKrull: I don't have time for that at the moment, I'd just like to disable this shitty service so I can use my computer again |
| 22:16.28 | IkeKrull | and the 'officially' supported way to disable baloo is to remove you home directory from the list of indexed folders |
| 22:16.40 | Haikarainen | IkeKrull: I've already done that |
| 22:16.43 | Haikarainen | didnt change things |
| 22:17.36 | IkeKrull | possibly, this might work: $HOME/.kde4/share/config/baloofilerc and change the option 'Indexing-Enabled=true' to 'Indexing-Enabled=false' |
| 22:18.43 | IkeKrull | and some people are linking the indexer binary to /bin/true which also effectively disables it |
| 22:19.27 | rdieter | Haikarainen: if you've already disabled baloo (with the $HOME trick), then what evidence do you have that it is continuing to cause your problems? |
| 22:20.59 | rdieter | (cause the description of "random freezes" sounds like something else to me) |
| 22:22.01 | IkeKrull | yes, i had 'random freezes' on ubuntu 13.10 which seemed to be an X.org bug |
| 22:22.59 | IkeKrull | Haikarainen: also, are you using the new KDE 4.13 or an older version? |
| 22:23.03 | Haikarainen | rdieter: I had a top in a terminal, checked if every freeze, baloo-file-extr was always around top when that happened. Also I recently enabled some sort of indexing agian (cant remember what) and the problem reappeared (the same problem that disappeared when I disabled indexing completely months ago) |
| 22:23.40 | Haikarainen | IkeKrull: 4.13.0 |
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| 22:27.12 | Haikarainen | Anyway, I followed yhour advice IkeKrull, also removed the contents in ~/.local/share/baloo and made it unwritable for anyone, and forcekilled all baloo_* processes, so far so good |
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| 22:33.00 | IkeKrull | Haikarainen: yeah, hacking around things like that is not ideal, but it seems the kde devs are so blinkered w/regard to this that theres no other option for users that file indexing doesn't work nicely for |
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| 23:16.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow virtuoso_t/nepomuk finaly goes berserk. Now it eats> 2GB of RAM in as little as 45min after last nepomukctl restart |
| 23:22.47 | roney | DocScrutinizer05, which kde version? |
| 23:23.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | 4.11.5 |
| 23:24.10 | roney | update to the latest version |
| 23:24.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is the latest version of kde/kdepim for the latest version of my distro |
| 23:25.39 | roney | then you have a distro tha does not update very often its packages |
| 23:25.54 | roney | current version of kde is 4.13 |
| 23:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I think it's too often still, when it comes to kde |
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| 23:28.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that baloo thing doesn't really make it attractive to update to bleeding edge. see some 20 lines up in backscroll |
| 23:32.41 | scummos | for me it works fine |
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| 23:46.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | cool, when starting kontact while akonadiserver is down, it seems to completely fail to start for first time. On second try it starts but leaves mail filter agent notification open forever. http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/22/plasma-desktopAw6541.png So I quit and restart a third time, and then it seems to "work" |
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| 23:46.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | just it now has 410 new mails suddenly |
| 23:49.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | which are actually old mails marked as "read" since weeks resp months |
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