| 00:00.05 | King_DuckZ | moviuro: bash, but I think I just fixed it without restarting X |
| 00:00.16 | King_DuckZ | I found this https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2474 |
| 00:00.54 | King_DuckZ | apparently my hostname had changed to something else, not sure |
| 00:02.06 | King_DuckZ | well at the beginning hostname command returned minidev00, then I set it to minidev00.myhouse with hostnamectl and hostname command returns the latter and I can start gui programs again |
| 00:04.51 | King_DuckZ | I also edited my /etc/hosts, but it really looks like a weird problem :/ |
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| 00:23.00 | moviuro | ah, nice then, King_DuckZ |
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| 01:50.30 | krabador | i've plasma crash, if i try to run with right mouse button and "open with vlc" , video_ts folders, on desktop ad folder view |
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| 12:23.16 | saptech | greetings all |
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| 12:42.43 | introom | hi. I am using PySide(A Qt binding package) |
| 12:43.14 | introom | I'd like to develop an interactive dot graph viewer, basically supporting zoom in/out func. |
| 12:43.26 | introom | Is there any existing package to take use of? |
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| 13:03.30 | shevy | we can open a new tab in konsole via 'konsole --new-tab' |
| 13:03.41 | shevy | is there a way to open multiple tabs that way? like: konsole --new-tab=5 |
| 13:07.25 | Ardonik | shevy: Try a for loop in bash. for i in {1..10} ; do echo "Hello" ; done |
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| 13:08.59 | shevy | Ardonik thanks that works nicely |
| 13:09.11 | esing | Hi, if I use a non mono font in Konsole, then the curser space increase by every letter I write. How do I avoid this and keep the correct cursor space in Konsole with a non mono font? |
| 13:10.18 | Ardonik | esing: Not sure what you mean by "cursor space increasing", but whatever that is, does it apply to all proportional fonts you use? |
| 13:11.14 | esing | Ardonik, I tried two different proportional fonts and it happend to both, yes. More exactly I mean the preceding space between the cursor and the last letter I wrote |
| 13:12.42 | esing | I had to add the proportional font in my Konsole profile's file ~/.kde/share/apps/Konsole/test.profile Font=Arial,13,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 |
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| 13:13.16 | Ardonik | esing: Wouldn't you be happy with a nice, antialiased monospace programming font like Inconsolata or SourceCode Pro? |
| 13:13.28 | Ardonik | They look really nice, and output from the shell will actually look correct on them. |
| 13:14.10 | esing | I give them a try, thanks |
| 13:15.28 | Ardonik | esing: Let us know what you think of them after you try them! |
| 13:17.31 | esing | Inconsolata seems fine. Is it possible to make proportional fonts to work with Konsole though or is not that easy? |
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| 14:44.36 | james0r2 | had this on a couple systems now and can't figure it out. after logging out and loggin back in i have a black desktop and applications load with windows borders but only black inside |
| 14:46.02 | james0r2 | if i log out and log back in again my desktop loads properly. so it's almost every other time...but not completely repeatable like this |
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| 16:57.13 | Gustavo | fale em portugue |
| 16:59.02 | Gustavo | oi |
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| 17:19.21 | cousin_luigi | greetings |
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| 17:22.43 | cousin_luigi | is trying to modify a ksplash theme, but the old background keeps popping up for unspecified resolutions. Any idea where the fallback file could be stored? |
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| 17:29.45 | moviuro | cousin_luigi: in the theme.index file I'd wager |
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| 17:33.36 | cousin_luigi | moviuro: Pray, where would that be? |
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| 17:33.55 | moviuro | cousin_luigi: with the ksplash archive |
| 17:34.49 | cousin_luigi | moviuro: there is no such file inside the rpm |
| 17:34.54 | moviuro | hmmm |
| 17:35.07 | moviuro | well, there must be a configuration file somewhere |
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| 17:35.33 | moviuro | also, if it is not specified in the archive, it chose the default wallpaper IIRC |
| 17:35.42 | cousin_luigi | desktop wallpaper? |
| 17:35.53 | moviuro | stopped playing with kspash as it was that annoying |
| 17:36.14 | moviuro | no cousin_luigi, the default one for yout plasma theme (or the default one on your distribution) |
| 17:36.42 | cousin_luigi | moviuro: hmm |
| 17:36.53 | cousin_luigi | moviuro: where can I set that? |
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| 17:37.57 | moviuro | cousin_luigi: same thing, try to find your plasma theme on the disk and create one with an other default wallpaper |
| 17:38.12 | moviuro | I won't help much further as I didn't do this in ages |
| 17:38.36 | moviuro | (and gave up, everything was overwritten by upgrades anyway...) |
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| 17:40.05 | cousin_luigi | moviuro: is the plasma theme the same thing as the so-called desktop theme? |
| 17:40.15 | moviuro | yep cousin_luigi |
| 17:41.07 | moviuro | can someone confirm: to open right click menu on the desktop, you have to double click |
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| 17:42.55 | cousin_luigi | can't find any mention of jpg files in /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme |
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| 17:59.57 | moviuro | cousin_luigi: jpg... no jpg... ever... only png ;) lossless + Alpha |
| 18:00.40 | cousin_luigi | moviuro: same deal, but all installed wallpapers are jpg anyway |
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| 18:07.57 | moviuro | cousin_luigi: don't believe you :p |
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| 18:09.56 | ifohancroft | Which channel should I use for KDE Artowrk related questions? |
| 18:12.19 | ifohancroft | I looked the servers channel list but I couldn't find a channel that seemeded suitable. That is why I'm asking here which channel should I use. |
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| 18:41.58 | zsiraf | Hi! |
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| 18:45.36 | zsiraf | I installed KDE 4.12 and can't set level of system sounds separetly from master channel. |
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| 18:46.50 | rindolf | zsiraf: hi. |
| 18:47.11 | rindolf | zsiraf: are you using Pulseaudio? |
| 18:47.18 | zsiraf | No. |
| 18:47.52 | rindolf | zsiraf: OK, then there may be a setting for it in "systemsettings". |
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| 18:49.40 | zsiraf | Yeah. Maybe I search in a a wrong section. :( |
| 18:50.20 | zsiraf | rindolf: There was possibility to set this in 4.11 |
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| 18:51.04 | rindolf | zsiraf: systemsettings has a search facility. |
| 18:51.09 | rindolf | zsiraf: using keywords. |
| 18:52.49 | ifohancroft | zsiraf: In System Settings > Application and System Notifications > Manage Notifications > Player Settings > Use the KDE sounds system, there is Volume. Not sure if that's what you're looking for. |
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| 18:54.02 | zsiraf | ifohancroft: Yep. That really was in 4.11 |
| 18:54.23 | zsiraf | ifohancroft: Now in 4.12 there's no |
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| 18:55.07 | zsiraf | ifohancroft: Do You use KDE 4.12? |
| 18:55.12 | ifohancroft | Oh, sorry zsiraf. I didn't really paid attention to the version. It seems I am using KDE 4.11.5 |
| 18:55.57 | zsiraf | ifohancroft: No problem, thank's. |
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| 18:58.22 | ifohancroft | You're welcome. |
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| 20:23.42 | hid | BadDesign: you have the wc command in a terminal |
| 20:23.52 | BadDesign | hid: no |
| 20:23.58 | BadDesign | hid: I want to count characters from Kate |
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| 20:28.32 | Wayward_Vagabond | Is this the right place to find help for Ktorrent? |
| 20:29.42 | Wayward_Vagabond | Ifso, is there a way to set it to stop sharing a file once it gets to a given ratio? |
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| 20:31.37 | BadDesign | Wayward_Vagabond: I think so |
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| 20:50.29 | ifohancroft | Wayward_Vagabond: There is a way. Open KTorrent go to Settings > Configure KTorrent > Queue Manager > Seeding > Default Maximum Share Ratio: |
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| 20:52.06 | Wayward_Vagabond | Of course, it was right under my nose |
| 20:52.10 | Wayward_Vagabond | Thanks |
| 20:52.25 | ifohancroft | You are welcome. |
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| 21:24.59 | Haikarainen | Can someone recommend a nice dark theme for kde/qt? :) I'm looking for something that's easy on the eyes, with clear contrasts, preferrably dark inputs as well (textboxes etc). |
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| 21:26.10 | ifohancroft | I can use such dark theme as well, Haikarainen :D Hopefully someone can suggest one. |
| 21:27.24 | Haikarainen | Oh hey! A little bit of poking around, changing the colortheme for oxygen pretty much did it for me ifohancroft! |
| 21:28.15 | ifohancroft | Can you like export or colortheme and send it? I've poked around with the colors around, before but I can't really make any matches that I like :D |
| 21:28.56 | Haikarainen | ifohancroft: I liked Obsidian Coast and Zion Reversed! Check them out in the Color Schemes under Application Appearance |
| 21:29.04 | ifohancroft | Thank you. |
| 21:30.13 | ifohancroft | Ah yeah. Zion Reversed does look really nice |
| 21:35.41 | Haikarainen | ifohancroft: you use quassel? |
| 21:36.03 | ifohancroft | I'm sorry Haikarainen but what is quassel? |
| 21:36.20 | Haikarainen | an IRC client, usually ships with KDE: ) |
| 21:37.20 | ifohancroft | Ah, I think I've seen its icon somewhere :D Not reallu, I've never used it. I really just use KVIrc. |
| 21:37.28 | ifohancroft | What client do you use? |
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| 21:38.32 | Haikarainen | ifohancroft: Ah, well I use Quassel all the way. It's really minimal but really anything I could ever want from an IRC client. |
| 21:38.42 | Haikarainen | Anyway I got a real nice theme for it |
| 21:39.51 | ifohancroft | Lets move to pms Haikarainen? I don't think it's a good idea to use the channelf or just chat. |
| 21:41.25 | Haikarainen | Hehe sure, although it's dead as fish in here |
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| 21:42.13 | ifohancroft | Yeah :D But just in case. I've been told before not to use not chat channels for chat :D |
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| 21:43.55 | crowell | Hi, I have graphical glitches on my laptop when I am in KDE, but I did not in xfce. is there any known issue of that with intel chipsets? |
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| 21:44.50 | crowell | http://i.imgur.com/bWYkXqZ.png is an example |
| 21:46.09 | crowell | it happens in a lot of places |
| 21:47.05 | Haikarainen | crowell: I recognize that.. Cant remember how I solved it though, it appeared when I had an Intel HD4000 chipset |
| 21:48.10 | crowell | Haikarainen: I also have intel HD4000 I think |
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| 21:48.45 | Haikarainen | crowell can you do a "lspci | grep VGA" ? |
| 21:48.53 | Haikarainen | and post the output |
| 21:49.16 | crowell | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
| 21:50.46 | Haikarainen | crowell: can you do a "glxinfo | grep ender" ? |
| 21:51.00 | Haikarainen | also what distro are you running? |
| 21:51.14 | crowell | currently its ubuntu, but same issue on debian and suse |
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| 21:52.16 | crowell | Haikarainen: I don't know when the problem arose, but I was running debian testing for a while, and it is somewhat recent |
| 21:52.54 | crowell | http://paste.kde.org/poglskmck <- output from glxinfo |
| 21:54.14 | crowell | I have KDE version 4.12.95 and my kernel is 3.13 |
| 21:55.42 | Haikarainen | crowell: I think this is a problem for xf86-video-intel (i assume that's the driver you're using). Since you are using ubuntu I'd recommend #ubuntu and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1098334 |
| 21:56.31 | ifohancroft | Haikarainen: Maybe nouveau will work for him? |
| 21:57.14 | crowell | ifohancroft: I've only got intel drivers, isn't nouveau only for nVidia? |
| 21:57.56 | ifohancroft | I don't think so. As far as I know I have it running on all my machines (except those with good gpu) and most of them are with Intel Graphics I believe. |
| 21:58.04 | ifohancroft | Let me check though |
| 21:58.37 | ifohancroft | No, sorry. It is for Nvidia. |
| 21:59.11 | Haikarainen | crowell: does it only happen in browsers? |
| 21:59.23 | crowell | it happens in firefox, and in other places too |
| 21:59.38 | crowell | like sometimes in the right-click menu of konsole |
| 21:59.50 | crowell | sometimes in the chrome around different windows |
| 22:00.04 | Haikarainen | crowell: does it go away if you press ctrl+shift+f12 (disable/enable compositing) ? |
| 22:00.12 | Haikarainen | also try changing your backend rendering method in the settings |
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| 22:00.53 | crowell | Haikarainen: it doesn't go away right away, but I am not sure if it would start to begin with |
| 22:01.27 | crowell | I've tried all of the rendering methods, and I think that when I do the "raster" it goes away |
| 22:01.42 | crowell | actually disregard that, it doesnt go away |
| 22:03.26 | crowell | but I think it has something to do with hardware acceleration, because I had more issues before I disabled hardware acceleration in firefox |
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| 22:03.58 | Haikarainen | crowell: did yuou change your rendering backend ? |
| 22:04.18 | crowell | I've tried the different opengl ones |
| 22:04.40 | crowell | it is also in xrender too |
| 22:05.28 | crowell | it is weird that it is transiant though, sometimes after a reboot there will be no issue |
| 22:05.57 | Haikarainen | Try setting it to XRender, then set graphics system to whatever its not on right now |
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| 22:06.37 | crowell | same for both raster and native in xrender |
| 22:07.51 | Haikarainen | and did you relogin after change then |
| 22:07.52 | Haikarainen | ? |
| 22:07.59 | Haikarainen | iirc that is crucial |
| 22:08.08 | crowell | no I haven't. I'll do that now |
| 22:09.23 | crowell | so, that seems to be working, with xrender and raster right now |
| 22:09.29 | ifohancroft | Just a guess but under General in Desktop Effects have you tried unchecking the box Enable desktop effects at startup if its check? |
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| 22:10.28 | crowell | no, I have effects enabled on startup |
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| 22:11.36 | ifohancroft | Yes, that is what I meant. Have you tried disabling them to see if that will fix the issue? Although you said its working with xrender and raster so I guess I suggested that a bit late :D |
| 22:11.55 | crowell | thanks for the help. xrender is all cpu rendering, right? |
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| 22:13.10 | crowell | I was under the impression that the intel drivers would be good |
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| 22:14.21 | crowell | I hadn't heard of many people having this issue, and its a popular chipset I thought |
| 22:14.27 | crowell | Haikarainen: thanks a lot though :) |
| 22:14.28 | Haikarainen | crowell: imho, they mostly work well. but in the few cases they dont, its a huge mess to fix |
| 22:15.24 | crowell | now the only issue I'm seeing is my krunner seems too "transparent" |
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| 22:17.30 | crowell | ah, changing from oxygen to air theme fixed that. :) |
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| 22:25.45 | Victor009 | Hi all |
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| 22:26.53 | Victor009 | My first contact by developing over linux, I can do a few things by Arduino IDE, could you please tell me something about similar tools |
| 22:27.15 | Haikarainen | Quick question, anytime I try to delete something I get "The trash has reached its maximum size" Cleanup the trash manually.", trash is empty. Dont recall changing any setting anywhere. |
| 22:27.56 | Victor009 | I mean I want to get any basic toolbox for starting |
| 22:28.11 | scummos | Victor009: for doing what? |
| 22:28.14 | Haikarainen | Victor009: Are you looking for information about software programming? Or more hardware related (arduino, raspberry pi etc) ? |
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| 22:30.07 | Victor009 | some kind of proccess that sends basic values by using serial comm |
| 22:30.39 | Victor009 | a few variables, any timer like millis() or similar |
| 22:31.00 | crowell | Haikarainen: can you cat ~/.local/share/Trash/metadata |
| 22:31.17 | crowell | that might be out of sync |
| 22:31.18 | Haikarainen | Victor009: If I understand you correctly, you'll want to join #arduino and ask there! |
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| 22:31.39 | Victor009 | to be honest I dont mind what should I do, just starting |
| 22:31.46 | Haikarainen | crowell: jesus christ, I think you're right |
| 22:31.52 | Haikarainen | Size=18446744071587022677 |
| 22:31.58 | crowell | that'll do it :P |
| 22:32.00 | scummos | that's a bit much |
| 22:32.04 | Haikarainen | since trash is empty, can I just set it to 0 ? |
| 22:32.10 | crowell | just delete the file |
| 22:32.13 | Haikarainen | ah, right |
| 22:32.16 | crowell | it will automatically get re-created |
| 22:32.19 | Victor009 | any basic interface to write code and any basic compiler |
| 22:32.29 | scummos | kate and xterm |
| 22:32.31 | scummos | or konsole |
| 22:32.37 | Victor009 | ok |
| 22:32.56 | crowell | Victor009: for arduino, if you are a beginner, the arduino ide is your best bet |
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| 22:33.07 | Haikarainen | Victor009: for an interface, any text editor you'd like. Compiler: gcc or clang |
| 22:33.46 | crowell | you'll need the avr-gcc packages |
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| 22:35.07 | crowell | oh, you're looking to develop on just linux, not for arduino? disregard what I've said then :) |
| 22:35.15 | Victor009 | I am able to make some pretty sketches by arduino IDE |
| 22:35.31 | Haikarainen | jesus christ. cleaning up my home folder when I come across "dead.letter". creeped me the eff out first |
| 22:35.37 | Victor009 | I think I know more than half of the whole |
| 22:35.57 | Victor009 | however I would like to do something by linux |
| 22:36.13 | Haikarainen | Victor009: If you are using KDE, check out KDevelop :) It's a very nice IDE for developing software for linux! |
| 22:36.27 | Victor009 | ty |
| 22:36.31 | Victor009 | I will |
| 22:37.29 | scummos | probably not the best choice for embedded programming though currently |
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| 22:37.33 | Victor009 | forgive my poor knowledge, the truth is that as mach read as more lost I am. |
| 22:38.52 | Haikarainen | scummos: I agree, although I think he wants to learn programming for x86/just general applications.. |
| 22:39.21 | Haikarainen | Victor009: http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ That's a very nice tutorial / documentation for C++. |
| 22:39.26 | crowell | I don't know if kdevelop is a great place to start. it forces cmake and other stuff on you |
| 22:40.26 | scummos | it does not |
| 22:40.29 | Haikarainen | crowell: I suppose, Codeblocks could also be a good bet. Although learning stuff like compiler arguments, linking etc can be very confusing when working with something like Codeblocks |
| 22:40.54 | Victor009 | ty again |
| 22:41.14 | scummos | c++ compilers are always confusing in the beginning, nothing is going to help that |
| 22:42.14 | Haikarainen | No, but I think hiding it all under a rug only complicates it even more |
| 22:42.36 | Haikarainen | kdevelop can work very nicely if you dont touch any advanced stuff, while still leaves everything open when you're ready to learn. |
| 22:43.02 | crowell | yeah, I am a fan of kdevelop |
| 22:43.23 | crowell | but for small stuff I am all vim :) |
| 22:44.14 | Victor009 | I agree with you guys, I have been learning by myself sometimes and I figure that at the first stages everything seems too much information |
| 22:44.28 | Victor009 | and you can get lost easily |
| 22:44.35 | Haikarainen | Hehe.. I always wanted to take the time to learn vim properly. I've gotten past the stage where you accidentaly press the wrong button and it all escalates to hell, and you just want to exit, but its still very confusing for me |
| 22:44.45 | scummos | vim has two modes |
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| 22:44.50 | scummos | beep |
| 22:44.51 | scummos | and destroy text |
| 22:44.58 | Haikarainen | lol |
| 22:45.03 | crowell | rmmod pcspkr |
| 22:45.15 | scummos | kdevelop has a vi mode |
| 22:45.28 | Victor009 | however in a short period it starts becoming to fill |
| 22:45.30 | Haikarainen | rips the piezzo straight out of my box |
| 22:45.48 | crowell | yeah, I set my kdevelop to that. I set everything to vi mode. zsh, tmux, kate, kdevelop, firefox (vimfx), basically everything I can |
| 22:46.30 | Victor009 | I can deal with opengl over windows good enough |
| 22:46.35 | Haikarainen | crowell: let me guess, you managed to bruteforce an irc client into vim and is using it right now ? :) |
| 22:46.52 | Victor009 | as well as dealing with ardu |
| 22:46.53 | crowell | Haikarainen: unfortunately no, just irssi |
| 22:47.23 | Victor009 | however never before have tried by linux |
| 22:47.27 | Haikarainen | Victor009: Cool, are you using fixed pipeline or more modern opengl? (do you do glBegin() or glGenBuffers() ?) |
| 22:47.52 | scummos | if you're using glBegin you should really think about what you're doing |
| 22:47.53 | Victor009 | gl begin gl end glclearcolor |
| 22:47.55 | Victor009 | etc etc |
| 22:47.59 | scummos | aaah |
| 22:48.01 | scummos | don't do that |
| 22:48.03 | scummos | it's 1995 |
| 22:48.20 | Victor009 | yes it is |
| 22:48.25 | Haikarainen | Victor009: Check out www.opengl-tutorial.com (i think thats the url), it's a very nice introduction to modern opengl |
| 22:48.39 | Haikarainen | http://www.opengl-tutorial.org/ * |
| 22:49.05 | crowell | I'm just starting some stuff to sumbit for my first demo compo |
| 22:49.12 | Victor009 | everything about opengl I know It comes from nehe |
| 22:49.34 | Haikarainen | :( |
| 22:49.44 | Victor009 | I am not getting you |
| 22:50.01 | Victor009 | you mean I should start by opengl over linux? |
| 22:51.13 | Victor009 | by developing over kdedevelop? |
| 22:51.21 | scummos | the nehe stuff is very 1995, mostly |
| 22:51.23 | Victor009 | is it what you mean? |
| 22:51.30 | scummos | (it's kdevelop) |
| 22:51.33 | Victor009 | it is I know |
| 22:51.35 | crowell | if you're just doing opengl and nothing linux-specific, there's not much to learn |
| 22:51.46 | scummos | and unfortunately it has very little to do with how opengl works nowadays |
| 22:51.56 | crowell | programming userland stuff for windows is pretty much the same as it is for linux |
| 22:52.10 | crowell | until you start using os-specifc stuff |
| 22:52.15 | scummos | which you shouldn't |
| 22:52.18 | Haikarainen | except you dont have to deal with win32 api |
| 22:52.20 | Haikarainen | shrugs |
| 22:52.34 | crowell | scummos: some of us like kernel stuff ;) |
| 22:52.34 | scummos | OS-independent frameworks exist for a reason ;) |
| 22:52.37 | Victor009 | however id like to do something else like dealing with figures and cos sin sqr etcv |
| 22:52.44 | scummos | crowell: you said userland |
| 22:52.45 | scummos | :D |
| 22:53.00 | crowell | Victor009: math.h has that stuff |
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| 22:53.07 | Haikarainen | done so much ugly hacks in my previous employment.. forcing legacy win32 code into .NET assemblies just to make stuff work exactly as my boss expected |
| 22:53.34 | Victor009 | I am using it by ardu sketch |
| 22:53.36 | crowell | DLL importing is fun |
| 22:53.39 | Haikarainen | Victor009: if you still want to learn modern opengl, while doing math stuffs i can recommend glm |
| 22:54.24 | crowell | Haikarainen: ever made an assembly of mixed native and MSIL code? |
| 22:54.36 | Victor009 | whic engine makes th |
| 22:54.38 | Victor009 | h |
| 22:54.40 | Victor009 | sorry |
| 22:55.17 | Victor009 | I mean which engine is making the job nowadais that it was done by Opengl long time ago? |
| 22:55.36 | Haikarainen | crowell: My previous employer wanted me to have excel embedded into the application. Problem was every customer had to buy a specific version of office for it to work properly with the .net interop assemblies. So what do I do? Hotwire the Win32 api, spawn the excel process, rape it until it submits into being used as a .NET control and hijack it with the interop assembly. Worked perfectly fine in the end |
| 22:55.55 | Haikarainen | crowell: Never gotten into MSIL and not sure quite what it is, and I think I'd prefer it that way! :P |
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| 22:56.06 | Victor009 | I find opengl amazingly powerful |
| 22:56.09 | crowell | MSIL is what .NET compiles to |
| 22:56.22 | Haikarainen | crowell: oh, well then nope! |
| 22:56.24 | crowell | which runs on the CLR vm |
| 22:56.47 | Haikarainen | why cant they just go with regular bytecode compiled stuff for their reflection needs like everybody else? :( |
| 22:57.13 | crowell | Haikarainen: are you asking why not everyone compiles to the same bytecode interpreting VM? |
| 22:57.23 | crowell | "because ours will be better" |
| 22:58.01 | crowell | to be fair though CLR is significantly better than the JVM in terms for performance in a lot of ways |
| 22:58.17 | Haikarainen | hehe, not quite, why have that msil abstraction layer? Compile code into anotherl naugage, to compile it to bytecode. Sure, compile it directly to bytecode, but taking shortcuts to not have to deal with several bytecode compilers for each language really just sounds evil |
| 22:59.21 | crowell | MSIL is the bytecode that C#, VB.net, F#, and the other .net languages compile to |
| 22:59.43 | Haikarainen | Hmm, looking at CIL, it looks like a mix of assembly and OO pseudocode with ugly keywords thrown in. |
| 23:00.02 | Victor009 | thanks a lot guys, kdevelop is starting I gonna try something |
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| 23:00.35 | Haikarainen | crowell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Intermediate_Language#General_information According to that site, it goes C#(or whatever) -> CIL -> Bytecode. But I wouldnt really know, havent peeked so far down into internals of .NET related stuff |
| 23:01.32 | Haikarainen | I feel that this discussion has become extremely offtopic though |
| 23:02.24 | crowell | Haikarainen: yeah, so the CIL is like assembly, and the bytecode is like the raw bytes (eg. inc eax; vs 0x40) |
| 23:02.29 | crowell | but enough OT |
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| 23:03.34 | Haikarainen | Hello deathadder, what release of KDE are you using today? |
| 23:04.24 | deathadder | ? |
| 23:04.33 | deathadder | idle here all the time, not here for supprot |
| 23:04.36 | deathadder | *support |
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| 23:05.17 | Haikarainen | deathadder: I tried to initiate an ontopic discussion. We we're just recently deep in the swamps of offtopic chatter. Felt traumatized there for a while. |
| 23:05.18 | deathadder | more the oppposite |
| 23:05.40 | Haikarainen | Sorry if I made you uncomfortable. |
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| 23:06.02 | deathadder | i see, no not uncomfortable, was just putting my box back on its irc chans :) |
| 23:07.29 | deathadder | and to fill your question anyway, 4.11.5 (gentoo system) |
| 23:07.44 | deathadder | least thats the kde-meta package |
| 23:08.06 | deathadder | had to actually look that up lol |
| 23:08.32 | Haikarainen | huh. Don't know how to query a metapackages version information in ArchLinux, but kdelibs is 4.12.3, which means I'm superior! :D |
| 23:08.48 | deathadder | arch works diff :P |
| 23:09.15 | scummos | kde4-config --version |
| 23:09.24 | scummos | 4.12.95 is what you should have btw |
| 23:09.31 | Haikarainen | So I've heard :P Do gentoo provide any binary packages? Or do you have to compile it all yourself? |
| 23:09.43 | deathadder | 4.12.3 is udner ~amd64 currently so its not default |
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| 23:09.56 | Haikarainen | scummos: 4.12.3 is what I have :P |
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| 23:10.04 | deathadder | gentoo is all brinary/source |
| 23:10.22 | deathadder | *no boiary/ pure source |
| 23:10.23 | crowell | deathadder: WAT R UR CFLAGS? |
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| 23:10.49 | deathadder | i didnt come here for support nor an interogation |
| 23:11.01 | deathadder | i know what i run and i do it for a reason |
| 23:11.09 | deathadder | wouldnt be running gentoo else |
| 23:11.12 | Haikarainen | I'm so bleeding-edge, I have -std=c++14 in my cxxflags! |
| 23:11.14 | crowell | deathadder: is a joke :) |
| 23:11.27 | deathadder | rofl |
| 23:11.47 | deathadder | and @crowell ah okm sorry :P |
| 23:11.54 | deathadder | -m |
| 23:12.30 | crowell | this is one of my favorite pages, that I linked to a friend when he used to run gentoo http://funroll-loops.info/ |
| 23:12.57 | deathadder | hahaha |
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| 23:14.37 | deathadder | i dislike binries purely cause of what that page says, useflags enable a smaller system base and marginally more effiecient, it used to be on slow systems it was hugely beneficial but these days not so much, but i know the system inside out now so meh |
| 23:15.38 | deathadder | have debian servers i have to admin anyway but i would rather not move mine ;) |
| 23:16.50 | crowell | I have to admit I've never given gentoo a try |
| 23:19.19 | Haikarainen | I gave gentoo a try just after I was introduced to ubuntu/linux for the first time. Before I learned C/C++ properly. Safe to say it did not end well. Should probably give it a go, even if in a virtual environment :) |
| 23:19.47 | Haikarainen | that was like >=10 years ago iirc, when ubuntu was completely new and still sent free dvds/cds |
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| 23:29.44 | Victor009 | how can I install templates for kdevelop? |
| 23:30.58 | Victor009 | I am following some basic steps to make my first project and I cant go on because I am not able to find out where templates are placed |
| 23:32.48 | Victor009 | I can see many templates into kdevelop ide that shows the little course but my real interface |
| 23:33.16 | Victor009 | they don't appear ? |
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