| 00:01.09 | Sho_ | A "good theme by collective metric" is a complicated undertaking because it involves factors such as fashion and cultural sensibilities, audience demographics and how product use cases select among the ranges of those |
| 00:01.18 | scummos | or just write one you consuder good |
| 00:01.21 | scummos | *consider |
| 00:01.44 | Sho_ | A business audience for example probably looks for different traits in a "good theme" than a home audience, and even a home audience is clearly hard to pin down |
| 00:02.06 | Sho_ | Especially since both, as mentioned, also follow fashion cycles |
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| 00:03.36 | Sho_ | There are some parameters that are relatively immutable because they follow from how human perception works and other evolutionary factors that impact what humans perceive as attractive, but beyond that foundation you very quickly get issues because of the differences in what individual humans project into a computer and what relationship they have with the system |
| 00:03.46 | Basstard` | A neutral theme is better than a childish and cartoony theme. |
| 00:04.13 | Sho_ | It's a non-trivial problem, and I'm only aware of approximate solutions everywhere in the market |
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| 00:04.29 | scummos | what do those words mean? by my standards, oxygen is a lot less childish and cartoony than e.g. Mac OS default theme |
| 00:05.45 | scummos | (note that I'm not a fan of oxygen, but still -- it's a respectable overall style) |
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| 00:08.02 | Sho_ | There are no "neutral themes" |
| 00:08.45 | Sho_ | Neutral for you might seem drab, austere and distanced to someone else |
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| 00:09.19 | Sho_ | Now, many people *want* their computer system to look drab, austrere and distanced, because they consider those positive qualities in a system they put toward particular purposes |
| 00:09.33 | Sho_ | The point is that it's still an aesthetic |
| 00:10.11 | Sho_ | You can certainly try your best to pick an aesthetic that aligns maximally well with the fashion of the day in the demographic you decide to target based on the use cases you decide to support |
| 00:10.52 | IkeKrull | personally there are some things i find difficult to understand w/regard to oxygen - for me, 'blue glow' is probably something one should add if desired, rather than an immutable default |
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| 00:11.09 | Sho_ | You can - a bit riskier - also try to swim against fashion and try to redefine what visual traits people associate with certain qualities |
| 00:12.23 | Sho_ | IkeKrull: That has some historic reasons |
| 00:12.56 | scummos | you can make it grey glow and it will be very unobtrusive |
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| 00:13.09 | Sho_ | IkeKrull: Back when Oxygen was originally started, there was no theme engine for Qt that consistently and broadly supported visualizing the "hovered" and "has focus" states for UI elements |
| 00:13.26 | Sho_ | IkeKrull: The visual emphasis is the result of a specific effort to support those better than other style engines at the time |
| 00:13.49 | Sho_ | Not saying it's not overdone possibly, but there were reasons to affect the outcome anyhow |
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| 00:15.31 | scummos | anyways, I'll go sleep. good night! |
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| 00:22.01 | _kdepepo | killown, btw KWin supports Emerald (Compiz/Beryl) themes via the Smaragd engine. |
| 00:23.16 | killown | _kdepepo, cool, I will install it |
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| 00:23.55 | killown | done! let me try it |
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| 00:34.00 | killown | _kdepepo, does not work |
| 00:34.52 | _kdepepo | Odd, you are the first in four years that says that. |
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| 00:37.10 | killown | _kdepepo, there is nothing about in the kde system panel or in the themes tab |
| 00:37.20 | killown | I have installed a pack of emerald themes |
| 00:37.35 | killown | ~/.emerald/themes |
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| 00:39.38 | _kdepepo | Does ~/.emerald/themes/theme.ini exist? |
| 00:42.20 | _kdepepo | Which KWin decorations can you choose from in System Settings? |
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| 01:28.30 | killown | _kdepepo, thanks, it's working now |
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| 06:17.39 | kuanyui | A strange question: Pidgin, Stardict and Skype's icons have disappeared from my KDE system tray for days (maybe after an routine update from openSUSE official repository...I don't sure, but I sure I didn't remove any package recently.) But programs like Akregator, fcitx don't occur this problem. Any idea what happened? My system is openSUSE 13.1 with its official KDE 4.11.5. |
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| 06:21.27 | kuanyui | (And I've checked [right-key] on system tray>system tray setting>display/entry, but didn't found Pidgin or Skype.) |
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| 07:28.19 | moviuro | kuanyui: did you try removing and then adding the systray again ? |
| 07:29.59 | kuanyui | moviuro: What do you mean? |
| 07:31.20 | kuanyui | moviuro: Oh, I know. I've tried this, but doesn't works |
| 07:33.53 | moviuro | kuanyui: I have no clue, then... sorry :-/ |
| 07:34.10 | kuanyui | @_@ |
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| 07:36.44 | JZA | hi is there a user book for KDE |
| 07:36.50 | JZA | like a downloadable ebook? |
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| 08:17.10 | kuanyui | JZA: alt+f2 khelpcenter |
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| 08:20.33 | gdebure | I have a strange behaviour of the battery plasmoid : http://imagebin.org/291244 |
| 08:20.41 | gdebure | What you can see in the picture is |
| 08:20.59 | gdebure | * no icon shown in the docktray |
| 08:21.15 | gdebure | * the top left display should not be there |
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| 08:21.57 | gdebure | * when clicking where the battery icon should be, it displays the widget but with the wallpaper in the background |
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| 08:22.13 | gdebure | this is on 4.12 |
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| 08:22.50 | gdebure | I think it comes from my trying at one point to use the "enhanced battery monitor" from kde-look.org |
| 08:23.52 | gdebure | I tried deleting some plasma config files, but the bug reappears every time I log in |
| 08:23.59 | gdebure | Any idea ? |
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| 08:28.24 | hateball | much crosspost, wow |
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| 08:34.13 | jargon | hateball: don't hate |
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| 09:26.59 | nyloc | hi, since my last kde update the Icon size of my system tray icons increased dramatically. Is there any way to change that (I'm on a high dpi notebook), caus I really liked the small 24px icons |
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| 09:34.48 | valorie | nyloc: when you make the panel shrink, the icons shrink too |
| 09:35.28 | nyloc | valorie: Yeah but before the updates I had two rows of icons at the exact same panel size that I have now |
| 09:35.32 | valorie | click the cashew and click the height label, and push it down a bit |
| 09:35.41 | valorie | oh, that's another setting I think |
| 09:36.11 | valorie | hmmm, not seeing it |
| 09:38.03 | nyloc | I guess since the last update kde no respects the dpi settings but I really would like to be able to change the icon size back |
| 09:38.32 | nyloc | btw. I'm on 4.11.6-1 on archlinux |
| 09:41.51 | nyloc | The "System Settings > Application Appearance > Icons > Advanced > Panel" did not help |
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| 09:59.05 | Linnak | Hi, Can somebody tell me that the GTK settings (system settings->application settings->GTK) on different distribution depends on what? Why one distribution has more settings than other? Is it possible to add more choices? |
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| 10:06.03 | rndbit | Linnak gtk settings are most likely provided by some package. maybe one distribution has older version of that package of something. i recall i could add that gtk settings option by installing package a while ago so its my best guess. |
| 10:07.49 | Linnak | rndbit, So it's possible |
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| 10:09.25 | rndbit | maybe, i have no idea. maybe some distributions provide more things there on their own. maybe what you saw with more settings was not kde work at all. i have no idea |
| 10:14.25 | Linnak | rndbit, OK. Thanks |
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| 10:44.00 | nyloc | If anyone knows if there is a setting to force the system tray to layout in two rows pls highlight me. |
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| 14:52.47 | tweek_ | hey i just discovered a weird 'feature' in konsole that i like: using konsole outside kde (trying out wmaker), the background of the konsole scrollbar uses the background color of the konsole color scheme. all other widgets are still using the oxygen color theme, e.g. the menubar is still light grey, but the scrollbar trough is black when the color theme is white on black |
| 14:53.20 | tweek_ | is this intentional? can i recreate it in kde? |
| 14:57.24 | tweek_ | here is a screenshot: http://postimg.org/image/smkjy55df/ |
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| 14:58.19 | matteodecarlo | tweek_: cool! |
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| 14:59.19 | ntz_ | hello |
| 14:59.48 | ntz_ | can I tell to kde that i want "~" suffixed files handle as hidden files ? |
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| 15:03.01 | tweek_ | ntz_: according to this [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3212] bug report, probably no |
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| 15:23.13 | ntz_ | tweek_: thanks |
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| 15:26.42 | ntz_ | tweek_: indeed, check last comment in that bugreport :D |
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| 16:06.20 | immotus | Has there been any fruitful discussion about a way to keep KDE from breaking across upgrades that are broken because of outdated ~/.kde4 config files? A recent upgrade of my KDE packages broke my KDE install again. I moved ~/.kde4 out of the way and it works fine now, but I have to either start fresh or migrate all of my .kde4 settings manually. I can deal with this, but people who don't want to dive into KDE's configs will quickly sour |
| 16:06.22 | immotus | after a few upgrades. |
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| 16:09.36 | scummos | huh, that never happened to me |
| 16:09.40 | scummos | which application broke? |
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| 16:10.57 | svuorela | it has happened a couple of times, but it happens rarely |
| 16:11.48 | tweek_ | i have to agree with immotus. while it is generally great that kde has plain text config files (and i wouldn't want that to change), there are a lot of bugs in the config system. i ran into dozens when i tried to set system-wide defaults, which wasn't even possible with some applications |
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| 16:15.56 | scummos | I don't think the plain-text has anything to do with those issues |
| 16:16.45 | tweek_ | scummos: no, it doesn't, and i didn't want to imply that. i hope it stays that way. |
| 16:16.56 | scummos | ok |
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| 16:17.32 | tweek_ | in fact, it bothers me that plasma for example is impossible to configure using the text files |
| 16:17.45 | scummos | it is? |
| 16:18.52 | tweek_ | scummos: pretty much, yeah. although everything is in the text files, they are impossible to work with. you need java script instead |
| 16:19.02 | scummos | ok |
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| 16:22.10 | tweek_ | i guess that's partly owed to the complexity of possible layouts, but then again, this gives rise to a lot of bugs that don't appear in typical layouts... |
| 16:23.38 | tweek_ | better not to touch it too much |
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| 16:26.20 | immotus | scummos: in this last update plasma-desktop and krunner were running, but you couldn't tell from the GUI.. no panel, no widgets, alt-f2 didn't work, right-clicking didn't work |
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| 16:28.33 | immotus | I like the fact that OpenSource allows rapid development of new features. Keeping stability across releases adds a lot to the development work, though. I was thrilled when I saw Akonadi was automatically re-factoring the previous Akonadi database when it has been upgraded in the past. |
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| 16:29.31 | immotus | I can create a subversion or git repository for ~/.kde4 but that will only help me revert changes, not acquire new ones |
| 16:30.53 | tweek_ | oh, i just remembered something: is there a way for konsole to always start with the same window size, but not in pixels (i can do that with a kwin rule), but rather in characters (e.g. 80x24)? |
| 16:31.26 | tweek_ | the difference being that the actual window size will depend on the font size, visibility of scrollbar, etc... |
| 16:33.06 | immotus | tweek_: create a profile with the font sizes set. and then set the kwin rule you were typing about |
| 16:33.54 | immotus | tweek_: the "--profile <name>" option for konsole will let you select the profile you created |
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| 16:34.33 | tweek_ | immotus: that's what i'm doing now. but if my users change the font size, for example, or hide/unhide the menu/scrollbar, this breaks |
| 16:34.37 | immotus | the "--geometry <geometry>" would also set the pixel size.. if you wanted to do it that way instead of a kwin rule |
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| 16:35.48 | scummos | why do you need an exact terminal size? |
| 16:35.54 | immotus | ^+1 |
| 16:35.59 | tweek_ | i know that konsole theoretically has this feature, because on first (ever) launch, it always has 80 width, regardless of font size |
| 16:37.02 | tweek_ | scummos: not sure, it just seems practical, maybe it's just habit because most terminal emulators behave that way |
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| 16:37.25 | immotus | tweek_: you can tell them to use xterm :^) |
| 16:37.33 | scummos | you can always use stty if you need it for some app |
| 16:37.41 | scummos | otherwise, I don't really understand why you would care |
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| 16:39.38 | immotus | tweek_: maybe there's a way to force the 25x80 character size with the kiosk options? but I'm with scummos on this: why would you want to keep the user from being able to override the settings |
| 16:40.46 | tweek_ | immotus: no, i don't want to keep them from overriding it, but as a default behavior it's practical that a new terminal is reasonably sized regardless of whether there's a maximized terminal on workspace one or something. no big deal though |
| 16:41.00 | tweek_ | i |
| 16:41.12 | scummos | yeah I can sort of understand that |
| 16:41.27 | scummos | but then just make it some size and when you change the font size, you'll have to tweak it again ;) |
| 16:41.30 | scummos | that's no big deal either |
| 16:41.44 | tweek_ | yeah, i'll just set the initial size in pixels so it amounts to at least 80 columns with the default font size |
| 16:42.51 | immotus | tweek_: if they change the font size (via scroll-wheel or whatever) and they start up a new terminal pointing to the same profile.. doesn't the new terminal use the settings from the profile rather than the previous font-size/scroll-bar settings? |
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| 16:44.31 | tweek_ | immotus: if they change it with the scrollwheel it's temporary and limited to the one window, yes. my case would have been that they change the kde-wide font sizes |
| 16:44.40 | tweek_ | or dpi |
| 16:45.02 | immotus | tweek_: oh... I see the problem more clearly now :^) |
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| 16:45.40 | tweek_ | but i'm overthinking it. as a general rule, users never change any settings, ever. which is why i'm so concerned with the defaults. |
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| 16:46.09 | tweek_ | well, some of them change the wallpaper |
| 16:46.20 | scummos | users also don |
| 16:46.29 | scummos | *users also don't care about their terminal default size ;) |
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| 16:47.28 | tweek_ | scummos: yes, but there are some settings that a user would not care about/is not aware of, but they nonetheless affect their workflow |
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| 16:48.00 | scummos | sure |
| 16:48.18 | scummos | I just doubt the default size of the terminal emulator falls in that category ;) |
| 16:49.07 | immotus | scummos: it isn't a complete answer, but it looks like you can use "konsole -p <property=value> to adjust individual properties in the konsole profile. Maybe you can un-check the "Save window size and position on exit" checkbox? |
| 16:49.29 | scummos | tweek_: ^ |
| 16:49.37 | immotus | oops :^) |
| 16:49.43 | tweek_ | immotus: yeah that might work |
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| 16:55.32 | Peace-- | can someone tell me how to add a bluetooth tethering connection ? |
| 17:00.48 | Walex | Peace--: perhaps, but probably not here. |
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| 17:04.12 | Guest9688 | 好冷清 |
| 17:04.45 | Peace-- | Walex: and where hehehhe |
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| 17:24.35 | Walex | Peace--: in some more networking oriented channel. You are really asking about something NetManager or whatever else your distribution uses. |
| 17:24.54 | Peace-- | knetwork manager |
| 17:26.11 | jgrulich | Peace--: you have to pair your phone with your computer at first, then you will have a bluetooth connection in plasma networkmanagement applet |
| 17:26.26 | Peace-- | jgrulich: ohh |
| 17:26.34 | Peace-- | jgrulich: thank you very much |
| 17:26.54 | jgrulich | Peace--: what plasma networkmanagement you have? |
| 17:27.06 | Peace-- | i use 4.11.sothiong |
| 17:27.28 | jgrulich | Peace--: what distribution you have? |
| 17:27.29 | Peace-- | jgrulich: |
| 17:27.31 | Peace-- | Connection editor |
| 17:27.32 | Peace-- | Version 0.9.3.1 |
| 17:27.35 | Peace-- | kubuntu |
| 17:27.39 | Peace-- | 13.10 |
| 17:27.53 | Peace-- | i have even arhclinux btw |
| 17:28.02 | Peace-- | archlinux* |
| 17:28.12 | jgrulich | Peace--: ok, that's our plasma-nm applet, so bluetooth connection should work without problems |
| 17:28.38 | jgrulich | Peace--: but as I said, you have to first pair your phone with your computer |
| 17:28.39 | Peace-- | mmm it seems that there is some problem jgrulich |
| 17:28.59 | Peace-- | jgrulich: i got this .... |
| 17:29.00 | Peace-- | Connection editor |
| 17:29.01 | Peace-- | Version 0.9.3.1 |
| 17:29.03 | Peace-- | sorr |
| 17:29.13 | Peace-- | jgrulich: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/06/plasma-desktopAL2362.png |
| 17:29.22 | Peace-- | but it doens't show itself on network manager |
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| 17:30.21 | jgrulich | Peace--: when you are pairing, you have to select PAN or DUN mode |
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| 17:31.10 | Peace-- | jgrulich: i did this .... screeshot ==>http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/06/tethering2.png |
| 17:31.29 | jgrulich | Peace--: yep, that right |
| 17:31.49 | jgrulich | you should see now your bluetooth connection in plasma-nm |
| 17:32.12 | Peace-- | jgrulich: nope :( http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/06/plasma-desktopDN2362.png |
| 17:32.59 | Walex | Peace--: you can use BlueDevil to pair |
| 17:33.13 | Peace-- | Walex: i can send images from phone to kde |
| 17:33.18 | Peace-- | so i did a pair |
| 17:34.12 | jgrulich | Peace--: hmm, that's weird, I'm sure it works |
| 17:34.58 | jgrulich | Peace--: maybe it depends on phone, I'm not sure, I always tested it with Nexus 4 |
| 17:36.02 | cb400f | Peace--: happen to be on opensuse? |
| 17:36.06 | Peace-- | jgrulich: your help was very appreciated , i will try after , but at least i know how i should do |
| 17:36.24 | Peace-- | cb400f: on kubuntu |
| 17:36.31 | Peace-- | after i will try to reboot to arch |
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| 17:36.48 | Peace-- | but i guess it will not work cuz arch has a bad bluetooth stuff |
| 17:36.54 | Peace-- | and my device doesn't work properly xD |
| 17:36.56 | Peace-- | wtf |
| 17:36.57 | cb400f | ok, arch might have bluedevil2/bluez5 I guess |
| 17:37.27 | jgrulich | it works better with bluedevil2/bluez5 and with newer version of NetworkManager |
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| 17:37.43 | Peace-- | see you later ~ 30 minutes i will report any success |
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| 18:32.45 | archpeace_ | BLUETOOTH tethering ==> success on archlinux |
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| 18:48.36 | KWhat_Work | Where can I fond the kde source for klipper? |
| 18:50.42 | archpeace_ | KWhat_Work: guess that https://projects.kde.org/ search box |
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| 18:51.39 | archpeace_ | KWhat_Work: it shoudl be in plasma btw |
| 18:52.02 | KWhat_Work | hmm |
| 18:52.26 | KWhat_Work | archpeace_: so should i just look in the plasma src? Search isnt showing anything |
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| 18:53.29 | archpeace_ | KWhat_Work: i have found this review https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/103196/ it says that it is on kde-workspace |
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| 18:54.07 | immotus | KWhat_Work: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-workspace/repository/revisions/master/show/klipper |
| 18:54.23 | archpeace_ | KWhat_Work: infact it's on kde-workspace kde-workspace |
| 18:55.15 | KWhat_Work | ahh there it is! Thanks archpeace_ && immotus |
| 18:55.27 | immotus | KWhat_Work: it may take a little while to load.. but it is there.. under kde-workspace like archpeace_ said |
| 18:55.55 | archpeace_ | you are welcome KWhat_Work |
| 18:56.05 | immotus | KWhat_Work: I really like klipper.. out of curiosity, what are you looking at the code for? :^) |
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| 18:57.34 | KWhat_Work | immotus: I want to see if I can patch it to add a strip option for RTF formated text... I can express how annoying copy pasting RTF is, |
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| 18:58.02 | immotus | KWhat_Work: would a klipper "action" work for you? |
| 18:58.23 | KWhat_Work | immotus: i just saw that, not sure. I will start there ;) |
| 18:58.41 | immotus | KWhat_Work: you can tell klipper to run a command and then replace the clipboard contents with the resulting text |
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| 19:03.28 | immotus | KWhat_Work: it's awesome :^) I have an action defined for things like "open the clipboard contents in gvim" or "count the number of lines/words/characters on the clipboard contents" or "start composing an email with the clipboard contents in the body" or "apply a sed command to the clipboard contents" |
| 19:04.01 | immotus | KWhat_Work: some of those leverage kdialog to make nice popup notifications.. just to make it pretty |
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| 19:05.36 | immotus | wonders if "catdoc" would work on rtf |
| 19:05.39 | KWhat_Work | hmm ill give it a shot. I am not sure it can distinguish the difference but its worth a shot. Thanks for the tip |
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| 19:06.49 | immotus | KWhat_Work: catdoc does in fact work on rtf files... so the klipper action would be something like "catdoc <(echo %s)" with the option to "replace klipboard contents" |
| 19:08.00 | immotus | KWhat_Work: well.. if that doesn't work, maybe "echo %s | catdoc -" |
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| 19:11.19 | KWhat_Work | immotus: regex .* should match all? |
| 19:11.35 | immotus | KWhat_Work: yes |
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| 19:12.22 | KWhat_Work | yah no go |
| 19:12.37 | immotus | KWhat_Work: error? |
| 19:12.39 | KWhat_Work | i dont think klipper is passing the formated text |
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| 19:13.06 | immotus | are you using "%s" in the command to deliniate where the clipboard contents should go? |
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| 19:13.48 | KWhat_Work | catdoc <(echo %s) is what i tried |
| 19:14.04 | KWhat_Work | with output handling replace |
| 19:14.28 | immotus | KWhat_Work: the "<(echo %s)" is a bash trick that pretends that the output of that command is a file... some programs don't play well with it |
| 19:14.44 | immotus | KWhat_Work: try it with the second method... "echo '%s' | catdoc -" |
| 19:14.56 | immotus | KWhat_Work: I gave the first one before I saw in the man page that catdoc accepts stdin |
| 19:15.22 | immotus | and make sure catdoc is installed :^) |
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| 19:16.56 | killown | man the nitrox kde icon theme is the best theme ever |
| 19:17.00 | KWhat_Work | jesuss the actions popup is really freaking annoying |
| 19:18.48 | KWhat_Work | the action only runs when i enable actions, side effect: Every time i select text I get an unsolicited popup. |
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| 19:32.23 | KWhat_Work | immotus: is there a way to have actions run without the popup? |
| 19:34.37 | KWhat_Work | and now it doesnt work at all ;( |
| 19:37.41 | KWhat_Work | yah there is either something broken here, or someone didnt really think about how the automatic checkbox should work |
| 19:37.49 | KWhat_Work | im leaning more to the latter |
| 19:45.56 | Remuz | i upgraded KDE from 4.12.1 -> 4.12.2 and it went fine but now my system tray icons are huge (seems like full 48 pixels). Any trick to make them shrink? They have been like 16 pixels before. |
| 19:47.12 | Remuz | icon size for small icons in system settings is 16 pixels as it should |
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| 19:48.45 | Remuz | icons for 3rd party programs are small but default ones (clipboard, volume, network) are big. |
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| 19:52.42 | cb400f | check what oxygen icons you have installed |
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| 19:52.59 | cb400f | and check your plasma theme, since the plasma theme provides the systray icons |
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| 19:53.05 | nodie | hi |
| 19:53.54 | nodie | my mouse cursor, while on Gnome, disappears when it pass over QT/KDE windows |
| 19:54.14 | nodie | it's not the cursor plugin problem that I've read about on the web |
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| 19:55.39 | nodie | do you know of other people with this problem? (Gnome 3.10, Kde 4.11, Xorg 7.7, linux 3.8, intel card) |
| 20:00.47 | rdieter | nodie: are you using some custom cursor theme? (I've seen similar symptoms occur when the configured cursor theme varies between qt/kde and gtk) |
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| 20:01.20 | nodie | what do you mean by custom cursor? |
| 20:01.21 | rdieter | this doesn't happen generally when using the combination of xsettings-kde/oxygen-gtk |
| 20:01.27 | nodie | when it's not the same as the one in the theme? |
| 20:01.51 | nodie | I suspect it's not the same problem |
| 20:02.05 | nodie | for example, the cursor is missing in GDM or LIGHTDM but not in KDM |
| 20:02.09 | rdieter | in kde, you can use a custom cursor theme, systemsettings->workspace appearance->cursor hteme |
| 20:02.28 | nodie | checking |
| 20:02.39 | rdieter | hard to say what your distro sets as default gtk cursor theme, you might have to ask your distro |
| 20:03.19 | rdieter | it almost seems like whatever gtk wants to use is missing |
| 20:03.25 | nodie | now that I remember |
| 20:03.40 | nodie | when I launch systemsettings in Gnome and I change the cursor |
| 20:03.53 | nodie | it turns visible on qt applications |
| 20:03.55 | nodie | for a while |
| 20:04.00 | nodie | and then it disappears again |
| 20:04.12 | rdieter | sounds related alright |
| 20:04.51 | nodie | I changed the cursor in systemsettings to "Contrast large" |
| 20:04.54 | nodie | and it's visible |
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| 20:05.38 | nodie | I launch again systemsettings and now the cursor is hidden again |
| 20:05.49 | nodie | if I select a new cursor, it turns visible |
| 20:05.50 | nodie | ... |
| 20:06.24 | nodie | rdieter, what do you suggest? |
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| 20:06.32 | nodie | using oxygen-gtk and see what happens? |
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| 20:08.16 | rdieter | that + using xsettings-gtk |
| 20:08.22 | rdieter | and/or ask your distro |
| 20:08.27 | nodie | ok |
| 20:08.30 | nodie | (it's ubuntu) |
| 20:08.51 | nodie | xsettings-gtk or xsettings-kde? |
| 20:08.55 | rdieter | but using xsettings-gtk should get gtk apps to use your kde cursor theme properly |
| 20:09.03 | nodie | ok |
| 20:09.08 | rdieter | sorry, xsettings-kde |
| 20:09.21 | rdieter | it's the kde equivalent to gnome-settings-daemon |
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| 20:09.55 | nodie | it's running |
| 20:10.02 | nodie | and gnome-settings-daemon is running too |
| 20:10.58 | nodie | I'm going to restart the X server and see what happens |
| 20:11.10 | rdieter | ok, kill gnome-settings-daemon, that has no place in kde |
| 20:11.21 | rdieter | sigh, left too quick |
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| 20:13.53 | immotus | KWhat_Work: you can add a shortcut key that will launch the "Actions" window.. whether they are enabled or not |
| 20:14.26 | immotus | KWhat_Work: I use ctrl-alt-r for running actions and ctrl-alt-e to bring up the clipboard |
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| 20:15.19 | immotus | once the "Actions" shortcut key is activated the list of regexes will be applied and you'll only see actions whose regex matches the current contents |
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| 20:16.55 | immotus | KWhat_Work: click the klipper icon in the system tray, go to "Configure Clipper" and then "Shortcuts" on the left. Set a key for "Manually invoke.*actions" |
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| 21:02.49 | Richlv | i'm seeing a weird issue with 4.11.5 from opensuse 13.1. for some jpg images, dolphin does not like preview (does not show it in properties or folder previews) |
| 21:02.59 | Richlv | other images from the same camera of the same dimensions work fine |
| 21:03.07 | Richlv | i regenerated thumbail using jhead, that did not help |
| 21:03.27 | Richlv | if i export thumbnail using jhead, it is a proper image that is read correctly by dolphin |
| 21:03.40 | Richlv | then only difference i see, these jpegs are slightly larger than others that work ok |
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| 21:04.15 | Richlv | but size limit in settings is only for remote images. i also tried to increase it just in case, but that made no difference |
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| 21:08.46 | Richlv | ok, looks like anything bigger than 3mb will not have preview on folder level |
| 21:08.53 | Richlv | but there is no option to control that... |
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| 21:42.40 | Richlv | well, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330868 it is |
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| 21:53.56 | scummos | I also have issues with previews I cannot really pin down from time to time |
| 21:54.09 | scummos | I usually end up just using gwenview's browse mode |
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| 23:44.12 | kors | hi, i'm running 4.11 on fedora 20 and sometimes when i login i am unable to click on anything for up to 30 seconds or so. i don't experience this with opensuse 12.3 and 13.1. any idea what's going on? |
| 23:45.37 | AndrzejL | yes... you have a bug |
| 23:45.42 | AndrzejL | :D |
| 23:45.58 | kors | lol, i'd say fedora has a bug |
| 23:46.10 | kors | opensuse's default KDE setup is perfec |
| 23:46.14 | kors | perfect |
| 23:46.20 | AndrzejL | nonono its you fo shizzle |
| 23:46.46 | kors | thanks for the help my bizzle |
| 23:46.59 | AndrzejL | there is a 30 second lag between brain and the click finger :p |
| 23:48.02 | AndrzejL | you think you are clicking but there is a delay |
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| 23:48.50 | AndrzejL | ok but seriously - check ~/.xsession-errors file and other logs |
| 23:49.11 | kors | ok i'll have a look |
| 23:50.05 | AndrzejL | setup 2nd user and log it to kde4 to see if issue is systemwide |
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| 23:51.05 | kors | xsession-errors is full of chatter. i'll try to reproduce with a second user. thanks for the input! |
| 23:51.26 | AndrzejL | no worries |
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