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01:15.03fribi've just installed gentoo linux with a kde profile but kde didn't start automatically at boot.  how can I start it?
01:15.20thiagoplease ask in #gentoo
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01:15.34fribi did they don't answer
01:15.41thiagowait a little more
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01:25.35Kelsarfrib: follow https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/KDE and you should be fine
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04:13.15symptom1i am using kde de with my arch. it is trying to open kate every starting. but it is failing. because of that my system doesnt work until i kill the kate from terminal. what am i suppose to do?
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06:35.46PoenikatuWhich program runs the KDE task bar at the bottom of the screen?
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06:38.25valoriePoenikatu: the task bar is a plasma widget
06:38.54valorieso that would be plasma-desktop
06:39.38PoenikatuWhat about the panel itself?
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06:42.17PoenikatuI have two keyboard layout widgets. I'd like to delete one. How do I do that?
06:42.35qurkPoenikatu, I think it's plasma-desktop
06:43.07PoenikatuThanks. I'll look for that in my ~/.kde hierarchy
06:43.33qurkthat's what I type when the taskbar disapears
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06:51.34PoenikatuEvery so often, a narrow window appears and a `temperature-guage' grows until a widget says 100%. Is that nepomuk?
06:54.46PoenikatuAm logging out and in again. So bye bye for the moment
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07:44.38cortezis kubuntu still considered an inferior kde distro, or are those days behind it?
07:45.03valorietastes differ, cortez
07:45.08valorieI love kubuntu
07:46.44cortezvalorie: it used to be seriously flakey back in the 3.x days
07:46.53valorieyes
07:47.35valorielots of experience since then
07:47.41cousin_luigicortez: I think the problem is more with ubuntu in general than its various versions.
07:48.01cousin_luigicortez: But kde on kubuntu is maintained by community, I believe.
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07:48.10valorieyup
07:48.30cortezi'm just trying to figure out from the vmware guys if kubuntu counts as ubuntu, as they don't mention it explicitly
07:48.33cortezie. for formal support
07:48.36valoriealways has been, although Canonical used to pay for some staff
07:48.42cortezone guy apparently
07:49.06valoriedepending on how you counted it, 1 - 1.5
07:49.47valorieBlue Systems has added a lot of hours to that, which is lovely
07:53.09cousin_luigiUbuntu is diverging too much from mainstream, are you sure you want to deal with that?
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07:53.58valoriecousin_luigi: we are preparing as best we can for the future, but who knows for sure what that future will be?
07:54.19cortezcousin_luigi: i'm just trying to get an officially supported distro for vmware workstation
07:54.33valoriethey say they have plans, but so far we haven't seen any major problems
07:54.38cortezcousin_luigi: ubuntu 13.10 is the newest supported, otherwise it's basically centos or an old opensuse
07:54.51cortezi'm currently running arch
07:54.52cousin_luigiWhat's wrong with centos?
07:54.55cousin_luigiToo stale?
07:55.11valoriewhat exactly do you mean "officially supported"?
07:55.24cortezcousin_luigi: yeah, a bit old for a desktop for my tastes in terms of 3rd party support for stuff. i actually really like centos as a desktop all else equal.
07:55.34valoriethere is professional commercial support available
07:55.38cortezvalorie: meaning officially supported by vmware
07:55.44valorieah
07:55.44cortezvalorie: ie. they've tested it
07:56.14cortezvalorie: http://www.vmware.com/resources/compatibility/search.php
07:56.34cortezvalorie: select "Host OS" from the "What are you looking for" combo box...
07:57.08cousin_luigicortez: I suppose you'll have to decide if you would waste more time by debugging problems on an unofficial platform or by using old software
07:57.42cousin_luigicortez: Personally I would find either of that preferable to using Unity.
07:58.23cousin_luigiUhm, now I understand why you'd want to use kubuntu, though.
07:59.13valoriehave you given a thought to Madriva?
07:59.30valorieI know it's a small team, but they focus on quality
07:59.42valorieand it's on your list there
07:59.44cousin_luigiIs it still maintained independently of Mageia?
08:00.02valorienot sure, they don't seem to hang out much here
08:00.32cortezvalorie: i'm not a fan of the organisational structure behind mandriva
08:00.41cortezvalorie: and i don't really care for the distro that much, either
08:00.55cortezif mageia is anything to go by
08:01.12cortezcousin_luigi: i actually don't mind unity... it's the spyware that bugs me
08:01.18cortezand the bugs in general
08:01.20cortez(of ubuntu)
08:01.31valorielast I used it, it was still Mandrake, so I'm no expert
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08:01.55valoriethe spyware can be turned off
08:01.58cortezi know
08:02.09cortezbut the fact that it exists and is opt-out turns me off
08:02.13cortezkills trust
08:02.21valorieI agree, and that was disappointing
08:02.31valoriekubuntu has none of that, though
08:02.34cortezyeah
08:02.36cortezi know :)
08:03.05valoriedistro choice is difficult, with so many options to consider
08:03.19apb1963I'm getting an error from kwin... screenshot here: http://snag.gy/xfJKN.jpg  kubuntu 12.04.3 ....
08:03.37cousin_luigivalorie: I've recently switched from mint to suse
08:03.47cortezgood move
08:03.50valoriehilarious to see SCO on that list
08:03.54valoriegood lord
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08:04.54cousin_luigiyeah, I wonder what product they support on it.
08:06.03valorieI thought even the bones of that company had been consumed by lawyer's fees
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08:07.57cousin_luigiBefore groklaw shut down for good, they had made a revenant-esque move.
08:08.07cousin_luigiWe haven't seen the last of them, I fear.
08:08.26valorie:(
08:08.48valorieI've talked to a couple of people who worked for or with them before they went bad
08:09.05valoriesucks to see a good company go all zombie
08:09.56cousin_luigiWell, their business model was pretty much dead, so shysters took over.
08:12.03valorielots of companies have remade themselves, some over and over again
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08:51.26cjaehow do I make kmix go in intervals of 5% instead of 15%
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08:52.22bentgfhi, does anyone know how to turn off sub-pixel rendering in KDE?
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08:52.37bentgfsub-pixel hinting i mean
08:53.57valoriecjae: see the last comment here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=313579
08:55.03valoriebentgf: a quick google finds a solution for fedora
08:55.09valoriewhat distro are you using?
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08:55.57bentgfi installed infinality and now my font in kde looks horible. it looks perfect when i run an external window manager from .xsession
08:56.05bentgfoh, is it distro specific? i am using openSUSE 13.1
08:56.43cjaevalorie: thanks
08:56.47valorienot sure, I was just educating myself
08:57.13valoriehttp://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/alternative-distributions-based-opensuse/tumbleweed/492555-kde-font-sub-pixel-rendering.html
08:57.22valorieseems it is more than one distro
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09:02.47bentgfi cant seem to find an option to disable sub pixel hinting in either openSUSE's settings or KDE's settings. Maybe it is a gtk or qt problem because it seems that my fonts only look bad in emacs
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09:04.22valoriethose forum threads were no help?
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09:04.37valorieboo
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09:09.12skramer_bentgf: I´m on Kubuntu, sub-pixel hinting is in System Settings -> Application Apperance -> Fonts. Then click on the button which is marked in this pic https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-uzPQCHwHomg/TYpYHrfo68I/AAAAAAAAAEc/Ihqza4u2Ygk/s1600/blog-FONTS1.png and you can set up KDE´s subpixel-hinting
09:09.51skramer_bentgf: Anyway, I´m not really sure if this also has effect on Emacs or GTK-Apps...
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09:12.17bentgfit worked, thanks! i had it set to system settings instead of enabled so configure was ghosted
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09:29.46cortezwell, i'm opting for ubuntu proper for now. may konqui have mercy on my soul.
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09:30.41cortezif/when that crashes and burns, i'll try kubuntu
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09:38.58AndrzejLgood morning lemmings :)
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09:47.07corteznot sure if trolling or affectionate
09:47.25AndrzejLso dont do it ;)
09:47.34cortezAndrzejL: i meant you
09:47.41AndrzejLI know You did
09:47.55AndrzejLand I just said hello in the same way I always do here
09:48.06AndrzejLso far You are first who accused me of trolling
09:48.07cortezwhat shouldn't i do?
09:48.13cortezi didn't accuse you of anything
09:48.21AndrzejLright :)
09:48.31cortezi'm literally not sure
09:48.31AndrzejLthe rest just had hello back :)
09:48.41AndrzejLsaid* ;)
09:48.53cortezanyhow, i'm off to reinstall
09:48.56AndrzejLif they cared enough to reply at all
09:49.01AndrzejLah good luck
09:49.09AndrzejLchoose wisely grasshopper :D
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09:51.39the_madmangreetings maggots
09:51.44the_madmanruns away
09:52.16the_madmanOh, he left. That's not nearly as fun.
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09:57.07AndrzejLwelcome to the madhouse the_madman ;)
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09:57.44AndrzejLsitback and relax. we are getting your room ready and your new jacket is being pressed as we speak ;)
09:58.18AndrzejLits nice and pink with blue flowers ;)
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10:38.10the_madmanI want a purple jacket with pink and blue flowers now
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10:50.34firefrom where does the konsole takes it configuration file ? from .Xresources ?
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11:20.04AndrzejLthe_madman: sorry for the delay in processing your order... Your jacket is ready ;)
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11:28.37cjaeanyone know why my semantic desktop is on pause? not indexing? http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?file=w89navei30zf4g8009u8.png     http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?file=ztim8twjsc1a8o3mfm37.png
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12:06.42AL13Nthis means that if session is locked, and you click switch user, choose the user; then the switch user window is still there... so you think it failed and do it again
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12:13.41BluesKajHowdy all
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12:14.17AndrzejLHi BluesKaj sorry to hear that the script does not works for you
12:18.41BluesKajAndrzejL, not a problem, I figured out a workable method for connecting to the TV with the LVDS1 (the laptop screen) and the HDMI , thie laptop is merely for temporary backup if the our desktop pc/media server fails
12:19.03AndrzejLah thats ok
12:19.23AndrzejLI dont have any desktops ;) I have 7 or 8 laptops tho ;)
12:19.44AndrzejLOld / free or cheap laptops but all working fine
12:20.43BluesKajthis desktop is almost 6 yrs old so I have to plan for the future
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12:33.04cjaedoes my computer have to be idle for desktop search to start
12:33.24cjae4.11.3
12:33.52ompaulcjae: no, but it is better for indexing which iirc is when that starts
12:34.00ompaulobviously logged in doing nothing
12:34.29cjaewell it is always idle, fresh install
12:34.43cjaethe indexer I mean
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12:35.46cjaeand there is many files on here, the find files also has no matches but using locate or fnd via cli does
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12:41.39ebischoffhello people, and happy new year
12:42.33ebischoffDid extragear move to git ? The docs say otherwise.  My svn checkout fails. Or were the directories simply renamed ?
12:42.33ompaulcjae:  updatedb files a db for for locate, find  on its own no options is a good place to start
12:44.14ebischoffI attempted : svn co svn+ssh://bischoff@svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/extragear/keurocalc
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12:45.17ompaulcjae: the desktop index needs to run, dependind on what you run your kde may impact the config it all depends on how strigi-utils and friends are installed
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12:46.21ebischoffWait, I am on the wrong channel, sorry
12:47.19ompaulebischoff: but I can't wait ...
12:47.36ebischofflol
12:47.55ebischoffsorry, that was for kde-devel. Goodbye.
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12:56.58cjaeompaul: thought strigi was no more
12:57.14ompaulcjae: I found it in my repos
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12:57.35ompaulcjae: running 4.11.3
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13:05.56cousin_luigiWhere else (besides in Kleopatra) should I add a CAcert in order to have KOrganizer use it?
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13:30.56rdietercousin_luigi: by "use it", you mean to be able to fetch from https urls using that CA?  (or other?)
13:31.19rdietercousin_luigi: probably better to simply add it to your openssl trusted CA bundle
13:32.42cousin_luigirdieter: I mean, having korganizer not complain about certificates signed by an unknown authority
13:33.13cousin_luigirdieter: I'm not sure about the latter, does it mean I should copy it into /etc/ssl/certs ?
13:33.41rdietercousin_luigi: yes, something like that.  depends on how you distro has openssl setup
13:34.11cousin_luigirdieter: I was hoping for a cleaner solution, but I guess it'll have to do
13:34.12cousin_luigithanks
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13:34.54rdieterthe cleaner solution would be for cacert to go the final mile and get their CA imported into trusted bundles, so you wouldn't have to import it
13:35.11rdieter(but they've not done that yet, for various reasons)
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13:41.51cousin_luigirdieter: what's cacert?
13:42.25rdietercousin_luigi: you're the one that mentioned CAcert in your original question
13:42.44rdieteror by CAcert, you did not mean cacert.org ?
13:43.22rdieterI guess you did say *a* cacert, so my bad for misinterpretting the question
13:43.26cousin_luigirdieter: no, I mean the certification authority I created myself
13:43.32cousin_luigifor internal use
13:43.32rdieterok :)
13:44.15rdieterbut the answer/recommendation is still valid
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13:45.46cousin_luigirdieter: I will, but I still wonder why korganizer can't see I added the CAcert to Kleopatra
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13:50.01rdieterkleopatra is only for signed emails (afaik)
13:50.06cousin_luigioh
13:50.11cousin_luigihad no idea
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13:52.15rdietercousin_luigi: in short, its an interface to gpg
13:53.04rdieter(which begs the question how/why does kleopatra and kgpg overlap?)
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13:53.55cousin_luigirdieter: your guess is good as mine:|
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14:11.13zipperDoes anyone else have the issue where they get a busy mouse before KDM starts? on arch maybe?
14:11.18zipperI am told that it must be an issue with my KDM installation.
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14:18.00Leoneofi'm using kde 4.11.3, i'm trying to run kate/dolphin and any other kde apps, it takes 5-10 sec to display, but gtk and Qt apps are very fast, wht to do?
14:20.06ompaulLeoneof: my machine took about 3 seconds to start emacs24 under 4.11.3  so I'd suggest this thing is down to hardware
14:21.05Leoneofompaul: maybe slow hard disk?
14:21.36ompaulLeoneof: if you are running debian I suggest you ask in #debian-next on oftc where sid / testing will be discussed at length, and that is one possible thing, if you are running a 5400 disk
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14:21.56LeoneofOkay.
14:22.16rdieterhas old 5+ year old laptop, kate starts in ~1 second
14:22.27Leoneofgrrrrr
14:22.29rdieterunless we're talking really old hardware here
14:22.57rdieterI would first suspect either user/config problem or distro issue
14:23.08rdieterthe former, say, if any network share/mounts are involved
14:23.16ompaulLeoneof: your faux anger is really petty and unhelpful to you and others, mostly you can't change reality with it.
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14:23.25Leoneofrdieter: RAM=2Gb, CPU=2GHz dual core, enough?
14:23.33rdieteryes, imo
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14:23.38ompaulyou can double that ram
14:23.55Leoneofompaul: calm down, what faux anger, and what's unhelpful, say something
14:23.59rdieterLeoneof: is the machine swapping when this happens?
14:24.06ompaulgrrrrrring
14:24.07Leoneofrdieter: yes
14:24.20rdieterok, then it's lack of memory
14:24.31ompaulyou need more ram, your disk should be less than 70% full when it hits 80% you get a performance hit
14:24.34rdieterhas 3-4 gb here
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14:26.01Leoneofok, thanks :)
14:28.05AL13Ni've been looking at https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-workspace/repository/revisions/v4.10.5/entry/ksmserver/screenlocker/greeter/sessions.cpp#L116
14:28.36AL13Nwhen i switch to another session from the screenlocker, the actual window doesn't close, which means if you get back the session window is still open
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14:37.32cousin_luigiHow do I change the icon for a service in /usr/share/kde4/services ? I mean, is the icon field just a filename or a mime reference of sorts?
14:37.58thiagocousin_luigi: it's a file name, but it can just be an icon name that is searched in the icon theme dirs
14:38.08cousin_luigiok
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14:39.07cousin_luigiI'll see what happens, thanks
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17:19.21cousin_luigiWhat would be the right place to petition for a new feature?
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17:20.08cb400fdepends.. the workspace part of kde 4 is feature frozen
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17:20.42cb400fdunno if you can request features for kde5 on bugzilla, not knowing which features it will actually have
17:21.52cousin_luigicb400f: I'm  not sure how minor it is, but I'd love to be able to use the mousewheel in the shortcuts.
17:22.25cb400ffor that I think you would need to have support in Qt
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17:23.04cb400fwould be great if Qt would also support single key-shortcuts, so we could be spared all the people whining about "windows key to open menu" :-)
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17:28.12cousin_luigicb400f: uhm, well I'd use it with a modifier, of course
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17:28.47cousin_luigicb400f: Should I bring this up with QT people then?
17:29.34cb400for some expert who's able to say for sure if it's technically feasible to implement in KDE directly or not
17:30.03cb400fbut if the shortcuts you want to create are workspace related, you won't see any new features until kde5 anywho
17:30.12cousin_luigicb400f: #kde-devel?
17:30.24svuorelahow is mousewheel used in short cuts ?
17:30.31svuorelaI_don't think I get the concept
17:30.35cousin_luigisvuorela: It's nmot, that's the point
17:31.06cousin_luigisvuorela: for example I'd like to be able to configure alt+mousewheel to zoom in/out
17:31.11cb400fcousin_luigi: you mean "middleclick"? or you actually mean the wheel/scroll function?
17:31.19cousin_luigicb400f: the latter
17:31.45cousin_luigiright now I've had to resort to some horrid hack using xbindkeys
17:31.50cousin_luigiand qdbus
17:32.05svuorelacousin_luigi: confusing - crtl + scrollwheel seems to be the convention.
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17:33.10cousin_luigisvuorela: ctrl+scrollwheel magnifies text
17:33.20cousin_luigithere would be a collision
17:34.11cousin_luigicb400f: regarding QT, ISTR Compiz was based on it and this particular combination worked. Does that mean anything?
17:34.50cb400fCompiz was not based on Qt.. if so it wouldn't have been so horrible :-)
17:35.17cousin_luigiok:)
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17:37.04cousin_luigiAnd since we're on topic, how can I disable raising the corresponding window when scrolling the mousewheel while on the task manager?
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17:41.06linguiniHow can I start a program on a virtual desktop other than the current one?
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17:45.43lakituwhat's a good img uploading extension for say dolphin?
17:45.43lakituor something like that?
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17:47.29TazmainianDevilhi all, does anyone know how to fix the html login screen ? If i dont login as it comes up the display doesnt update, I can click on my username but I cant see the login box to type my password. If the box was there I cant see a password being typed. Anyone know how to fix this >
17:47.30gcibotTazmainianDevil, hey!
17:47.36TazmainianDevilhi gcibot
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18:18.18donoshi,im using kde 4.10.5, and i would like to get  a copy file identical to the original whith the ~ final extension when i save it or i change its date
18:18.46donosbut i dont know how to do it
18:19.33donosin that manner i know when i change a file from a folder
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18:21.09joh6nndonos: when you save it in which app?
18:21.22joh6nnthat's usually a per-app preference, not everything supports that behavior
18:23.09donosusing konqueror or dolphin for example
18:23.09donosi remember when i save a text file, it appears a copy
18:23.55joh6nnyeah, that behavior is specific to Kate, as far as i know
18:24.18joh6nni don't believe there's anyway to enable it in konqueror or dolphin, except maybe by writing a plugin of some kind
18:24.40donosum,kate o krite i normally use
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18:25.43joh6nneither way, that behavior is not included in all apps
18:26.02joh6nniirc, kate and kwrite share a lot of code, so it should work in both of them
18:26.15joh6nnbut it isn't present in konqueror or dolphin
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18:26.54donosbut if you do a touch to a file....i think the situation is the same
18:27.01donosim not sure
18:27.19joh6nnas far as i know, it's not the same
18:27.58donosokey,pardon for my poor english,im going to investigate it
18:28.17donosthank you very much
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18:32.05donosfor example,now when i save a file known as bdd.c ,it appears me a rare copy bdd.cUD3131.new...before the name was bdd.c~, and i dont know how to change it
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19:06.53feephi, can I take two windows and stick them in a "metawindow" so that they show up as one in the tasklist and alt-tabbing brings both to the fore?
19:06.59feeplike a container
19:07.09feepthis would really save me a lot of alt-tabbing
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19:07.41feeplike an mdi wrapper
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20:13.14lalala_oopswhen i try ro open kate txt editor i get ' a kde text-editor component could not be found.please check your kde installation' how to fix this?
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20:31.40chaoszeroHello Everyone i need a little help i have 2 displays and 1 panel on each display. I have it set up so that only applications and windows on each monitor show in that task bar. But here is what i need help with All  maximized apps or windows show on both task bars how would i go about fixing that its almost perfect but i cant figure that part out. Thank you
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21:04.29OkitainHi guys.
21:04.39OkitainAnyone uses kio-mtp?
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21:46.34beevvyWhat is the proper mailing list (or other place) for sending suggestions regarding KDE Review Board?
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21:47.46beevvyI hoped for kde-infra or something like that but couldn't find
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21:57.15beevvyOkay... I'll probably just send it to kde-www & kde-devel
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22:06.10cb400fbeevvy: I'd guess the admin team, but...
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23:08.49ph88in gnome they are called desktop launcher
23:08.58ph88to start program from GUI
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