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| 00:52.58 | zenguy_pc | is kstart available in kde windows? |
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| 01:49.57 | DaZ | donavan01: there is. |
| 01:51.12 | donavan01 | any idea how I go about that or what to look for when googling it |
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| 01:54.16 | DaZ | donavan01: settings->Use system title bar and borders ? :v |
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| 01:57.48 | chexxor | Google isn't helping me here. -> How do I access the KDE login screen from the terminal? I left the login screen to move to the terminal, but how do I get back into it? |
| 01:59.40 | DaZ | chexxor: how exactly did you leave it? |
| 02:00.32 | chexxor | there's the power button on the KDE login page, I clicked it, and chose "Go to Console" (or something similar) |
| 02:01.07 | DaZ | ctrl+alt+f7 maybe |
| 02:01.25 | DaZ | or some other function button |
| 02:03.15 | chexxor | The distro I'm using is rather basic. It told me to start xserver like this: "systemctl start display-manager.service" So, now I have that running. |
| 02:03.20 | chexxor | But what next? |
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| 02:45.01 | CountryfiedLinux | Is there a way to minimize windows to icons? I don't like window lists, it makes the panel "cluttered". |
| 02:45.10 | CountryfiedLinux | In KDE that is. |
| 02:45.31 | CountryfiedLinux | IMO Windows 7/8 desktop has it right, with minimizing windows to the icons. |
| 02:53.27 | No_2ndTroy | Maybe you can try "only-icon task manager" |
| 02:53.46 | No_2ndTroy | you can add it to the panel |
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| 02:53.53 | CountryfiedLinux | thanks No_2ndTroy |
| 02:54.16 | No_2ndTroy | you're welcome ;) |
| 02:56.41 | CountryfiedLinux | No_2ndTroy: Is it called only icon task manager or icon only task manager? is it in the search field? |
| 02:57.08 | chexxor | I'll just use reboot then. Thanks! |
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| 02:57.30 | No_2ndTroy | if you right-click in a panel, select "add widget" |
| 02:57.41 | No_2ndTroy | and tehn, a widget list will appear |
| 02:58.02 | CountryfiedLinux | ok thanks |
| 02:58.03 | No_2ndTroy | so, icon only task manager should be there |
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| 02:58.37 | CountryfiedLinux | thanks |
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| 03:23.56 | Jucato | kristal: it only works vertically and only splits once. if you want a bit more, you might want to check out using Konqueror as a file manager (though that is a bit more advanced) |
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| 03:28.55 | kristal | I should use Konq but it feels like it's going too far for my laziness :P |
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| 06:09.35 | crocket | Does anyone use plasma active? |
| 06:09.44 | crocket | Can I enter korean letters in plasma active? |
| 06:09.54 | crocket | The maliit screen keyboard seems to support only english. |
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| 06:17.06 | Moviuro_ | crocket: #plasma-active IIRC |
| 06:17.38 | Moviuro_ | crocket: #active |
| 06:18.02 | crocket | ok |
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| 06:24.25 | Moviuro_ | After a number of closing/opening the lid on my Arch laptop, KDE becomes slow to interpret the keystrokes (eg Méta+Enter takes like 15 seconds to open a terminal, when it was instant at the previous resume cycle) |
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| 06:26.41 | Moviuro_ | so it goes like: opening the lid, waiting ages for the lockscreen; unlocking; closing the lid; waiting ages for the laptop to enter suspend mode; opening the lid; waiting ages for the laptop to enter suspend mode; opening the lid; solved |
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| 06:48.52 | Roberth1990 | Moviuro_: my experience is that such issues are often related to the specific graphics driver, sounds like it needs a bug report |
| 06:49.45 | Moviuro_ | Roberth1990: I use Intel HD 3000 graphics, with the xf86-video-intel driver. Where should I report, then ? :) |
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| 06:49.59 | Roberth1990 | Moviuro_: if you use compositor in kwin, try chaing tearing prevention technic, for me I use intel, only full screen repaints work |
| 06:50.03 | Roberth1990 | I use intel |
| 06:50.25 | Roberth1990 | Moviuro_: try changing it before filling a bug report |
| 06:54.04 | Moviuro_ | Roberth1990: would you give me the name of your OpenGL option? Is it "Full Scene repaints"? |
| 06:54.33 | Roberth1990 | Moviuro_: I use opengl 2.0 |
| 06:54.36 | Roberth1990 | yes |
| 06:55.07 | Moviuro_ | how about 3.1? |
| 06:55.17 | Moviuro_ | (I too use 2.0) |
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| 06:57.13 | BoomerBile | hmm |
| 06:57.26 | BoomerBile | strange behavior from kcalc |
| 06:57.33 | BoomerBile | maybe the way i'm using it? |
| 06:57.42 | Roberth1990 | Moviuro_: 3.1 didnt work at all |
| 06:57.44 | BoomerBile | doesn't act like a calculator on the desk |
| 06:57.45 | Roberth1990 | for me |
| 06:58.02 | Roberth1990 | BoomerBile: what do you mean? |
| 06:58.07 | Moviuro_ | Roberth1990: I won't even test it, then ;) |
| 06:58.24 | Roberth1990 | Moviuro_: good because I needed to reboot when I tried to use it |
| 06:58.48 | Moviuro_ | It would have killed my uptime O_O ^_^ |
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| 06:59.10 | Moviuro_ | has a laptop with a 30days uptime... |
| 07:00.43 | BoomerBile | well, i go through a series of calculations and i get the wrong answer... if i do those same calculations on a desk calculator (not on the computer) it comes out right... same thing happens in calculator (wrong answer) |
| 07:00.59 | BoomerBile | the problem seems to be that it doesn't keep following my actions |
| 07:03.36 | BoomerBile | heck even Kalgebra using parenthesis is getting the wrong answer but at least it's only off by 1 |
| 07:04.03 | BoomerBile | completely unreliable |
| 07:04.09 | BoomerBile | do this |
| 07:05.09 | Roberth1990 | BoomerBile: what version of kde are you using? |
| 07:05.40 | BoomerBile | Platform Version 4.10.5 |
| 07:05.55 | BoomerBile | this isn't the first version that kcalc and the other calculators have let me down |
| 07:06.25 | BoomerBile | follow my instructions to the letter and i'll show you, maybe mine is broken... don't press = till i say |
| 07:06.34 | BoomerBile | enter 13 |
| 07:06.39 | BoomerBile | press * |
| 07:06.43 | BoomerBile | press 5 |
| 07:06.48 | BoomerBile | press + |
| 07:06.52 | BoomerBile | press 50 |
| 07:06.56 | BoomerBile | press * |
| 07:06.58 | BoomerBile | press 20 |
| 07:07.05 | BoomerBile | press + |
| 07:07.11 | BoomerBile | press 1012 |
| 07:07.14 | BoomerBile | press - |
| 07:07.25 | BoomerBile | press 1976 |
| 07:07.32 | BoomerBile | the answer should be 1337 |
| 07:07.36 | BoomerBile | press = |
| 07:07.51 | BoomerBile | i bet you get 101 |
| 07:08.50 | BoomerBile | (((((13 * 5) + 50) * 20) + 1012) - 1976) = 1336 according to kalgebra |
| 07:09.22 | BoomerBile | and it manipulates my ()'s |
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| 07:13.15 | Roberth1990 | BoomerBile: 2 sec... |
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| 07:14.12 | BoomerBile | hmm |
| 07:14.28 | BoomerBile | 1336 seems to be the answer windows calculator gives me, i should do this on paper |
| 07:14.38 | Roberth1990 | BoomerBile: I use 4.11.2 I get 101 too, thats odd |
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| 07:14.54 | BoomerBile | it's not following the series of actions given to it |
| 07:14.55 | Roberth1990 | BoomerBile: you should seriously file a bug report |
| 07:15.07 | BoomerBile | somewhere along the way it starts your calculations over |
| 07:15.22 | Roberth1990 | its broken IMO |
| 07:15.45 | Roberth1990 | yeah most likely |
| 07:15.59 | Roberth1990 | include that in the bug report for reproducing it |
| 07:16.43 | BoomerBile | i found this out doing a "find your age with your shoe size" thing |
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| 07:16.58 | BoomerBile | it also just showed me that if they lie about their shoe size you will know if you know how old they are lol |
| 07:17.09 | Roberth1990 | hehe |
| 07:17.10 | BoomerBile | or if they round out |
| 07:17.19 | BoomerBile | my shoe size is 12.5 i rounded to 13 |
| 07:17.23 | BoomerBile | i'm 37, not 36 |
| 07:17.37 | BoomerBile | the first two digits in the answer are the shoe size and the last two are your age |
| 07:18.07 | BoomerBile | i challenged that formula and got showed up... turns out my calculator sucks! ;) |
| 07:18.56 | BoomerBile | yeah did it by hand, the answer is 1336 |
| 07:19.01 | BoomerBile | kcalc is borked |
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| 07:32.03 | BoomerBile | Roberth1990, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326481 |
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| 07:34.40 | BoomerBile | Roberth1990, not sure where to go with Calculator, it has no menus and i don't know how I installed it.... |
| 07:35.21 | BoomerBile | seems to be part of kde but there is no listing on kde's bug site for a program called Calculator |
| 07:35.44 | BoomerBile | if i type calculator into the kde's menu search it comes up along with kcalc |
| 07:35.54 | BoomerBile | it has the same problem |
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| 07:37.32 | Roberth1990 | BoomerBile: it is a part of kde utils |
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| 07:41.37 | Jucato | i don't think it's broken, but it just probably works differently from window calculator. you do something like (((((13 * 5) + 50) * 20) + 1012) - 1976), but the way kcalc seems to work is that once you press = (or even any other operator for that matter) it does (13 * 5 + 50 * 20 + 1012 - 1976) instead |
| 07:41.57 | Jucato | the question is which should be the proper behavior |
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| 07:43.20 | thiago | thinks 2+2*2 should be 6 |
| 07:44.13 | Roberth1990 | Jucato: I would consider an calculator which doesnt do something simple like that correct to be broken |
| 07:44.25 | Jucato | I think what some calculators do is something like: 2 + 2 * [compute 2+2, cache 4] 2 = 8 |
| 07:45.55 | Jucato | Roberth1990: it's actually technically mathematically correct. again, it depends on how you're actually computing it. 13 * 5 + 50 * 20 + 1012 - 1976 = 101, that's correct by mathematical rules. (((((13 * 5) + 50) * 20) + 1012) - 1976) = 1336 is also correct |
| 07:46.25 | Jucato | but if the goal is to mimic physical calculators, then yeah, it could be considered a bug |
| 07:46.51 | Roberth1990 | Jucato: I think that it should mimic a physical calculator |
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| 07:47.56 | Jucato | that I can't answer because that would depend on the intentions on the one who wrote the app. so yes, best recourse is that bug report until then |
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| 07:51.37 | thiago | there are many calculators that do the right thing and obey operator precedence |
| 07:51.54 | thiago | 2+2*2 yields 6 on those |
| 07:52.08 | thiago | so, no, kcalc showing 6 is entirely correct |
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| 07:55.20 | Jucato | thiago: perhaps it would make sense if kcalc showed that it was actually queueing up the whole equation rather than making it look like it was computing on the fly every time a user hits an operator |
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| 07:56.42 | Aiena | When i use the kdialog in shell scripts the kdialog popup does not auto enlarge to fit the whole text is thre a way to make the kdialog resize to dis[play the whole text? |
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| 08:00.53 | Moviuro_ | Can I restart kded4 (yes, kded with two 'd') without loging out ? |
| 08:01.53 | Aiena | maybe |
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| 08:01.58 | Aiena | Ill check |
| 08:02.20 | Aiena | Yes |
| 08:02.50 | Moviuro_ | Aiena: how can I do that, then? :v) |
| 08:03.37 | Aiena | Moviuro go to Configure Desktop -> Startup and Shutdown -> Service Manager _> then choose kded4 and stop it and restart it |
| 08:03.49 | Aiena | its will be known there by its long form |
| 08:04.33 | Aiena | Moviuro in fact you can shutdown and reastart most daemons from there :) |
| 08:05.40 | Aiena | Moviuro tell me if you succeeded :d |
| 08:06.21 | Moviuro_ | "Service Manager" takes ages to load O_O |
| 08:06.34 | Aiena | Weird |
| 08:06.41 | Aiena | should not be the case |
| 08:06.56 | Aiena | do you have loads of damemons running? |
| 08:07.09 | Aiena | too many startup processes? |
| 08:09.03 | Moviuro_ | Aiena: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/10/23/plasma-desktopH22370.png |
| 08:09.17 | Aiena | is looking |
| 08:09.36 | Aiena | Moviuro which distro |
| 08:09.41 | Moviuro_ | crap, everything is slow, even the pastebin widget :'( |
| 08:09.47 | Moviuro_ | Aiena: Archlinux |
| 08:10.13 | Aiena | Moviuro ^^ link is broken |
| 08:10.26 | Moviuro_ | well actually, I'd like to restart the daemon that handles custom shortcuts |
| 08:10.54 | Aiena | not sure whichone that is |
| 08:11.34 | Aiena | oh shortcuts daemon hmm |
| 08:11.36 | Aiena | one sec |
| 08:11.44 | Moviuro_ | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/10/23/plasma-desktopH22370.png |
| 08:11.53 | Moviuro_ | should work ^_^ |
| 08:12.58 | Aiena | Moviuro you could check this file cat ~/.kde4/share/config/kglobalshortcutsrc |
| 08:13.08 | Aiena | ignore the cat |
| 08:13.16 | Aiena | just take the path from there |
| 08:13.25 | Moviuro_ | yep |
| 08:13.50 | Aiena | normally its ~/.kde4 or ~/.kde it depends upon wehether you set up some build env's and exported paths |
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| 08:14.00 | Moviuro_ | http://wklej.org/id/1156634 |
| 08:14.52 | Aiena | Moviuro maybe there a split in the cable to those sites |
| 08:14.58 | Aiena | can you post the image on imagebin.orgh |
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| 08:15.04 | Aiena | imagebin.org |
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| 08:17.21 | Moviuro_ | will be back |
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| 08:23.58 | BoomerBile | thiago, most people expect that a calculator is going to operate like a standard calculator and hitting an operator implies = then operator |
| 08:24.15 | thiago | yes |
| 08:24.26 | thiago | 2 + 2 = 4 |
| 08:24.29 | thiago | it does that just fine |
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| 08:24.37 | BoomerBile | thiago, yes and then * 2 |
| 08:24.41 | BoomerBile | which = 8 |
| 08:24.43 | thiago | I hit the = |
| 08:24.47 | BoomerBile | you shouldn't |
| 08:24.50 | thiago | I expect it to work like a standard calculator |
| 08:24.51 | BoomerBile | well yes you should |
| 08:24.51 | Moviuro_ | well, lag of keystroked is solved... for the moment |
| 08:24.58 | thiago | one that does properly calculate 2 + 2 * 2 |
| 08:25.00 | thiago | I've seen a few |
| 08:25.03 | thiago | no |
| 08:25.09 | thiago | my point is that there are calculators that do it right |
| 08:25.13 | thiago | so kcalc is following those calculators |
| 08:25.29 | BoomerBile | kcalc is forcing me to use ( ) to do simple calculations |
| 08:25.42 | BoomerBile | i'd rather use in this case windows calculator |
| 08:26.09 | BoomerBile | which assumes when i press in this order 2 + 2 * 2 it = 8 because of the implied = after each operation |
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| 08:26.36 | BoomerBile | i shouldn't have to write a formula to balance my check book |
| 08:26.39 | BoomerBile | or worry about () |
| 08:26.54 | BoomerBile | i should be able to quickly add all the numbers and have a running sum all the way down |
| 08:27.15 | thiago | press = |
| 08:27.25 | BoomerBile | i guess it's old school vs new |
| 08:27.35 | BoomerBile | i can't use kcalc in it's current state |
| 08:27.53 | BoomerBile | old habits die hard |
| 08:28.36 | BoomerBile | i've given people the wrong answer because i didn't work out five ((((( and all the closings and an entire formula before i entered my numbers |
| 08:29.13 | BoomerBile | most people don't buy ti-85's to do simple day to day math |
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| 08:29.51 | BoomerBile | that's why windows 7's calculator acts like a standard calculator |
| 08:30.25 | BoomerBile | i guess today people want to be machines |
| 08:30.30 | Kelsar | hmm, alt-f2 insert formular beginning with = ? |
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| 08:31.18 | BoomerBile | alt+f2 on my machine is run command |
| 08:31.23 | BoomerBile | standard kde setup |
| 08:31.23 | Kelsar | yeah |
| 08:31.27 | Kelsar | try it |
| 08:31.39 | Kelsar | insert =5*5 |
| 08:31.55 | Kelsar | it is not just a run command |
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| 08:32.20 | TomTom | hi there. any idea how to get the clipboard working in KRDC when using RDP? |
| 08:32.26 | BoomerBile | yeah but i'd still have to enter a formula to do simple math |
| 08:33.00 | Kelsar | don't get your problem, just press the same keys as on calculator and you are fine |
| 08:33.26 | BoomerBile | if you want to see the difference i'm talking about use windows 3.11, 95, 98, xp, me, nt, 7, and probably 8's calculator and enter the numbers like i did in the bug report |
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| 08:34.04 | BoomerBile | and grab a simple calculator from walmart it will do the same |
| 08:35.32 | BoomerBile | perhaps i'm wrong, and it should be the way it is, but also consider this... calculator, part of kde-utils uses the same library, but you don't give the user () on the pad |
| 08:35.46 | Kelsar | ah is see you are complaining it follows math rules by default, if you don't press enter after each operation? |
| 08:35.55 | BoomerBile | so the user will (if they are old school like me or used to cheap calculators for day to day math) assume it works like a normal calculator |
| 08:36.19 | Kelsar | BoomerBile: like said, switch it to simple and it behaves like you want |
| 08:36.35 | Kelsar | so your real complain it is switched to logic by default |
| 08:37.52 | BoomerBile | Kelsar, i'm in simple mode, i still get 101 |
| 08:38.02 | BoomerBile | it doesn't act differently nor does calculator |
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| 08:38.42 | Kelsar | ok, tipped something wrong before |
| 08:39.30 | Kelsar | but it shows the output in between |
| 08:40.02 | BoomerBile | right, i'm used to that output staying there and being combined with the next operator i type |
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| 08:40.07 | BoomerBile | as many others are |
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| 08:40.35 | BoomerBile | so when i do 13*5 and get 65, and then press +, i expect the + to add 65 to what ever i type next |
| 08:40.48 | BoomerBile | not clear out my previous calculations |
| 08:40.50 | BoomerBile | and start over |
| 08:41.02 | Kelsar | it's more all other calculators are buggy, they should behave like this ^^ |
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| 08:41.16 | BoomerBile | that's what all the new guy's are saying |
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| 08:41.54 | BoomerBile | guess i'll just have to get a desk calculator to do my quick math, kcalc is too slow |
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| 08:42.32 | BoomerBile | you have to know all of the operations before hand and enter it as a formula to do anything |
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| 08:44.43 | Kelsar | or you just press enter after each operation, atleast as workaround |
| 08:45.15 | BoomerBile | yeah, it's a workaround |
| 08:45.26 | BoomerBile | extra keystrokes |
| 08:45.38 | BoomerBile | would give a person doing inventory carpel tunnel fast |
| 08:46.00 | Kelsar | inventory with calculator? sounds more like doingt it wrong |
| 08:46.03 | BoomerBile | i guess these days people bow to machines not the other way around |
| 08:47.30 | BoomerBile | i'll just mark my bug invalid, apparently it's a matter of opinion and more people than not would rather have it aimed at math geeks |
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| 08:56.28 | Helmy | hello |
| 08:56.36 | Helmy | anyone here? |
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| 08:58.45 | Moviuro_ | Helmy: look at the nick list |
| 08:59.36 | Helmy | i see 430 nicks, i was asking if anyone is active in here |
| 09:00.22 | Helmy | i came here before stayed for hours, haven't seen any one discussing anything, so i left |
| 09:01.34 | lordievader | Helmy: That's IRC for you, at times it can be quiet for days. |
| 09:01.43 | Helmy | now i want to fix/add some new features to dolphin, no idea where to start, thought i might find someone here to help |
| 09:02.07 | lordievader | Helmy: Ask you question and who knows someone might actually respond. |
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| 09:04.52 | Helmy | ok, i wanted to take a look at the source code for dolphin , the part that works with nepomuk |
| 09:06.16 | vHanda | Helmy: how can I help? |
| 09:06.27 | vHanda | the code for dolphin is in kde-baseapps/dolphin |
| 09:06.34 | Helmy | actually, that is because i was wondering in details view, why there is no option to add a column for the "created" date reported by nepomuk |
| 09:06.44 | vHanda | https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/applications/kde-baseapps |
| 09:07.07 | vHanda | created date? You mean when the file was created? |
| 09:07.31 | vHanda | checks |
| 09:09.11 | Helmy | yes http://i.imgur.com/igJq2Pv.png in the information panel, the created value over there |
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| 09:13.46 | Helmy | also why there is no column to sort by the accessed date, there is only one column called "Date" in details view and that is the modified date |
| 09:15.26 | vHanda | probably cause no one implemented it |
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| 09:15.49 | vHanda | or because the designer felt that would be giving too much information, and a simple date is enough |
| 09:15.58 | vHanda | I'm not sure what Peter was thinking |
| 09:16.07 | vHanda | anyway, you can do 2 things - |
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| 09:16.24 | vHanda | 1. Submit a patch and discuss it or 2. Open a bug report and discuss it |
| 09:16.32 | Kelsar | BoomerBile: bug is closed lol |
| 09:16.53 | vHanda | I would recommend starting with a bug report, and then once everyone agrees with what needs to be done, implement it |
| 09:16.53 | BoomerBile | i closed it |
| 09:17.06 | BoomerBile | no one agrees that it should change |
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| 09:17.30 | Helmy | ok so in a sitiuation where you have one folder with lots of files and you moved some files in there, and now you want to know what are the newly added files to that folder, what would you do? |
| 09:18.22 | Helmy | the modified date does not help in that scenario |
| 09:19.16 | vHanda | I just checked, and linux doesn't provide a creation time |
| 09:19.19 | vHanda | Helmy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stat_%28system_call%29#ctime |
| 09:19.37 | vHanda | It only provides mtime, atime, and ctime |
| 09:19.45 | thiago | ctime is change time, not creation time |
| 09:19.48 | thiago | don't confuse the two |
| 09:20.01 | thiago | creation time on Unix is called "btime" (born time) |
| 09:20.11 | thiago | or birth time |
| 09:21.01 | Helmy | yes i'm aware of that, so how does nepomuk report the created time? |
| 09:22.01 | thiago | it might get that from the filesystem notification update |
| 09:22.14 | vHanda | is checking how dolphin gets it |
| 09:22.39 | Helmy | BoomerBile: " no one agrees that it should change" are you talking about the date? |
| 09:23.04 | BoomerBile | no i'm talking about the way kcalc and the simpler calculator operate |
| 09:23.50 | BoomerBile | it's a matter of opinion on how they should work, some people say one way is incorrect, others claim it's correct |
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| 09:24.11 | BoomerBile | it's all about how machines talk / interact with people |
| 09:24.35 | Helmy | so how does one deal with the scenario i mentioned earlier "where you have one folder with lots of files and you moved some files in there, and now you want to know what are the newly added files to that folder, what would you do?" |
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| 09:24.53 | BoomerBile | what does that have to do with a calculator? |
| 09:25.41 | vHanda | Helmy: Alright, so Dolphin directly stats the file (thorugh KIO -> KFileItem) and gets the mtime which it displays. |
| 09:25.46 | Kelsar | BoomerBile: i even agreed with you, that is not the expected behaviour, even in the bug report |
| 09:25.47 | Helmy | nothing, that is a different subject |
| 09:25.50 | BoomerBile | if you didn't put noatime on the file system i think (not sure) that you could check the modification date |
| 09:26.15 | BoomerBile | Kelsar, should i re-open it? |
| 09:26.29 | BoomerBile | i'm getting arguements from everyone in 3 channels about how i'm wrong |
| 09:26.38 | BoomerBile | and only like one person agreeing |
| 09:26.39 | BoomerBile | lol |
| 09:27.13 | Aiena | Moviuro so were you able to disable the shortcuts daemon? Acgtually deleting that file will reset all cuystoms to default |
| 09:27.36 | Aiena | or you can remove very specific nasty shortcut lines without destroying the whole file |
| 09:27.39 | Aiena | up to you :) |
| 09:27.43 | Kelsar | I think there are just 2 different sides of the problem. 1. What most will argue with is, technicaly/math the current behaviour is correct. 2. What do people expect from a calculator, at this it is not correct |
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| 09:28.30 | BoomerBile | that's what i'm saying |
| 09:28.41 | BoomerBile | i work on the roof with people |
| 09:28.46 | Kelsar | thats why i wrote into the bug report atleast at simple it should behave like expected from any cheap calculator, since it is called calculator and resembles it physical appereance |
| 09:28.57 | BoomerBile | they shout numbers and say now multiply that by 2 |
| 09:29.18 | BoomerBile | i shouldn't have to hit = and then *2, i want to just hit *2 cause they aren't going to stop yelling now -100.25 |
| 09:29.20 | BoomerBile | etc |
| 09:29.47 | Kelsar | BoomerBile: easiest way would be, write a patch ;) |
| 09:30.00 | BoomerBile | hitting = might seem trivial until you are doing something like that all day long |
| 09:30.30 | BoomerBile | especially if you used to use a regular calculator and now you're using an android tablet/phone running ubuntu or gentoo and kde |
| 09:30.33 | Kelsar | honestly. if you do this all day long, you should optimize your workflow |
| 09:31.09 | BoomerBile | i'll re-open it, if they want a patch i just happen to be a coder too |
| 09:31.09 | Aiena | movciari__ |
| 09:31.15 | Aiena | * Moviuro |
| 09:31.17 | Aiena | Ping |
| 09:31.36 | movciari__ | hi, Aiena_AFK |
| 09:32.00 | BoomerBile | Kelsar, re-opened |
| 09:32.17 | BoomerBile | maybe pipe in with a comment to support me |
| 09:33.40 | BoomerBile | i counted on kcalc for a while, it took me months to realize that this was happening and that i wasn't entering the wrong information, but instead kcalc didn't operate as I expected a calculator to operate... it has been quite embarrassing to say the least to get math wrong using a calculator |
| 09:34.04 | BoomerBile | windows calculator operates the way i expected |
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| 09:34.31 | BoomerBile | so i can imagine anyone crossing over from windows to linux to have my same frustration |
| 09:34.59 | Kelsar | BoomerBile: i did allready |
| 09:35.02 | Kelsar | while ago |
| 09:35.25 | Kelsar | kde wruns on windows too ;) |
| 09:35.36 | BoomerBile | thanks, yes i agree, simple mode would be nice to make function that way |
| 09:35.40 | BoomerBile | yeah i run kde on windows |
| 09:36.01 | BoomerBile | quite nice to have kwrite over notepad |
| 09:36.06 | BoomerBile | or kate even |
| 09:36.30 | BoomerBile | now if they could replace exploder i'd be happy |
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| 09:37.12 | Kelsar | On Windows i only run Games and if it goes further like the last months, there will be more games available on linux i like |
| 09:39.59 | danharibo | How can I override the kpart that ark picks up? I have built ark but it seems to fall back to the system kpart |
| 09:40.57 | BoomerBile | today is not my day, i wrote a program on this machine... it ran fine... i git pushed to my repo, pulled to two other machines, they compile it and run it fine, (windows and 64 bit gentoo) now it won't run here, segfault... i haven't changed anything |
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| 09:46.05 | BoomerBile | Kelsar, steam co founder claims linux is the future of gaming, he's convinced steam to make a console based on linux |
| 09:46.31 | BoomerBile | Kelsar, ever used wine? i have most new games running fine with it |
| 09:46.37 | BoomerBile | takes a bit of tweeking |
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| 09:48.29 | Kelsar | wine is bad at running games, even games who run "fine" are running worst as on windows |
| 09:49.06 | BoomerBile | huh? |
| 09:49.11 | BoomerBile | really? |
| 09:49.32 | Kelsar | look at wow, while it runs even wioth more fps, it looks way worse than on windows |
| 09:49.38 | BoomerBile | i play hitman absolution, skyrim, the witcher 2, witcher 1, assassins creed |
| 09:49.40 | Roberth1990 | Kelsar: crossover is the thing |
| 09:49.47 | Kelsar | and my favortie game atm is lol, the air launcher is pain |
| 09:49.51 | BoomerBile | i have no problems with wine |
| 09:50.03 | BoomerBile | i don't use crossover either |
| 09:50.10 | kaffeebohne | +1 BoomerBile |
| 09:50.54 | BoomerBile | never tried wow on wine but then i don't really like wow... i miss old school war craft |
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| 09:51.16 | BoomerBile | wow is abomination |
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| 09:51.51 | Kelsar | wow was just an example |
| 09:52.20 | BoomerBile | get the newest wine, winetricks, q4wine... you have to tweek a bit, i recommend nvidia sli |
| 09:52.28 | Kelsar | get a decent DX10 or DX11 game, while it will often run on wine, it looks not as good, simply because wine has no complete implementation |
| 09:52.29 | BoomerBile | i'll help ya get stuff going if you ask |
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| 09:53.36 | BoomerBile | hmm isn't absolution dx10? i haven't noticed much difference playing on either platform |
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| 09:54.10 | BoomerBile | assassins creed 2 looks pretty close to the same, never noticed any difference either |
| 09:54.24 | BoomerBile | skyrim has underwater issues in wine |
| 09:54.43 | BoomerBile | almost every gog game i have bought runs great |
| 09:54.57 | BoomerBile | empire earth being the bad one |
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| 09:55.31 | BoomerBile | sims 3 had some sound crackle for a bit |
| 09:56.13 | BoomerBile | i only use windows to compile my game for windows people |
| 09:57.10 | Kelsar | love klipper |
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| 11:39.23 | asdefjak | I started gvim half an hour ago and its icon is still bouncing next to my cursor. Is there any way to get rid of that without rebooting? |
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| 11:41.53 | thiago | asdefjak: turn the bouncing cursor off |
| 11:41.56 | thiago | then back on |
| 11:42.04 | thiago | Alt+F2, type "launch feedback" |
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| 11:43.13 | asdefjak | That did it, thanks. Should have thought of it myself though. I wanted to kill the process that does that but had no idea which one that would be. |
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| 13:27.16 | xibah | Hi I had plasma-nm working fine on kde, I removed it from systemtray and now can get it back!! how can I launch it? |
| 13:28.28 | Sho_ | xibah: hey why not add it back? :) |
| 13:28.36 | xibah | how to do it? |
| 13:29.11 | Sho_ | xibah: go into the system tray settings dialog, there's a page there where you can check "Network Management" |
| 13:30.01 | Achillion | you may need to launch it for it to appear in the list |
| 13:30.04 | Achillion | (right?) |
| 13:30.12 | xibah | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.14 | xibah | that did it! |
| 13:30.22 | Sho_ | whoo |
| 13:30.24 | xibah | thanks! |
| 13:30.29 | xibah | i feel so lame!!! |
| 13:30.33 | Sho_ | Achillion: no it ought to happen automagically in the background |
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| 13:31.05 | Achillion | I've noticed it with other tray items, that they only appear in the systray list once you've launched them at least once |
| 13:32.59 | Sho_ | Achillion: ah this is different - it's not the "Entries" page but the "Display" page where known tray-supporting plasma widgets are listed |
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| 13:34.41 | Achillion | Ah. My bad! |
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| 16:47.48 | quotemstr | Can I hide the progress bar information in kmail? |
| 16:48.20 | quotemstr | I don't want progress indications to appear constantly in the lower-right portion of the program. |
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| 16:57.29 | rgeri77 | hi |
| 16:57.54 | rgeri77 | I'm using Fedora 18 with Kde, and I have problem with volume control levels |
| 16:58.41 | rgeri77 | I cant set the volume up/down. From 2% the volume level is the same |
| 16:59.07 | rgeri77 | if I use alsamixer and I change the PCM level, then its working ok |
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| 17:00.41 | Moviuro | rgeri77: chose the correct kmix master channel |
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| 17:01.07 | rgeri77 | Moviuro: Its set to Analog MAster Channel |
| 17:01.16 | saptech | hello all |
| 17:01.25 | Moviuro | right clic -> restore -> Configuration -> chose master channel |
| 17:01.47 | Moviuro | rgeri77: try changing it... perhaps your master is not named "master" ;) |
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| 17:02.37 | rgeri77 | Moviuro: may you check my video about the problem on youtube ? |
| 17:03.14 | rgeri77 | Moviuro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=843w31PiFTo |
| 17:03.41 | Moviuro | rgeri77: I've got a so bad internet connection ATM I can't even load a page in less than 20 seconds |
| 17:03.44 | rgeri77 | as you can see the PCM level increase in tii big step |
| 17:03.47 | Moviuro | so no, sorry |
| 17:03.51 | rgeri77 | okay |
| 17:04.17 | Moviuro | rgeri77: look at kmix's sliders when playing in alsmixer |
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| 17:04.45 | rgeri77 | when i use kmix, in alsamixer the pcm levels incerase too fast |
| 17:05.02 | rgeri77 | and master channel its the same, but no effects with master chanel |
| 17:05.10 | rgeri77 | its the same with pavucontrol |
| 17:05.37 | rgeri77 | the only working thing is the alsamixer's pcm slider |
| 17:05.48 | rgeri77 | but its unconfortable |
| 17:06.21 | rgeri77 | Moviuro: here is the bugzilla https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=974680 |
| 17:06.47 | Achillion | I recently noticed that KDE disables hibernate in the application menu as well as the power settings when a swapfile is used instead of a partition. This was confirmed on several systems (all running arch linux). Is there any way to tell kde to enable hibernation? I can hibernate successfully via the systemctl command |
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| 18:43.15 | rgeri77 | how can I set the kmixer that control the PCM level, and not the master ? |
| 18:43.46 | rdieter | Achillion: what does this say? qdbus --system org.freedesktop.login1 /org/freedesktop/login1 org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanHibernate |
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| 18:45.06 | rdieter | I think it needs to say "yes" to have it available as an option |
| 18:45.08 | mystblade9 | I really like the way I've set up my KDE now. How can I save the configuration for when I reinstall my distro later, or decide to go distro-hopping? |
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| 18:57.29 | ponyofdeath | hi, I am unable to connect to openvpn connections using plasma-nm. any ideas? here is my .xsession-errors log http://paste.ubuntu.com/6290680 |
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| 19:02.38 | Addle | mystblade9: I highly recommend having /home on a separate partition so you can reinstall and keep all your data. Though anything valuable should still be backed up, upgrade or not. |
| 19:03.14 | mystblade9 | Addle: I've done that for a while and experienced that, if you then switch to another distro, the settings tend to clash. |
| 19:03.29 | Addle | mystblade9: Yes, I can't disagree with that. :) |
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| 19:03.46 | mystblade9 | Addle: But how do I backup and restore my KDE settings? |
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| 19:07.18 | Addle | mystblade9: There's no specific feature for that. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but mostly you'd back up ~/.kde/share/config |
| 19:07.43 | Addle | mystblade9: I suppose to be safe you could back up all of ~/.kde in case I'm not completely correct. |
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| 19:08.14 | Addle | mystblade9: Would be nice if there was a way to do that in the system settings. |
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| 19:08.20 | xxtjaxx | Hmm... anybody from paris university here? Preferebly Ouest one. |
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| 19:10.52 | Addle | mystblade9: Personally, I keep the same /home partition, and if I have any issues, I just go rename the offending config directory and let it be regenerated. |
| 19:11.05 | Addle | mystblade9: (Or offending specific config file, if I know which one) |
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| 19:14.27 | johnprivate42 | vHanda: I deleted my ~.kde/share/apps/nepomuk folder (on the console) hoping that npomuk would re-index, but doesn't seem so |
| 19:14.58 | oleo | just create the directory |
| 19:15.08 | oleo | it can't create dirs for you |
| 19:16.36 | johnprivate42 | oloeo: No, actually it does ... ;) but it's not indexing any file |
| 19:16.51 | oleo | ah |
| 19:16.55 | oleo | you stopped the service ? |
| 19:17.10 | oleo | or it has a sock left ? |
| 19:17.15 | johnprivate42 | nepomuk control says it's running |
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| 19:17.38 | oleo | did you stop indexing manually ? |
| 19:17.49 | oleo | or did you select the dirs for indexing ? |
| 19:18.13 | johnprivate42 | i logged out, switched to console, removed the dir and logged back in |
| 19:18.14 | oleo | hmm, maybe just kill it and restart it.... |
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| 19:19.04 | johnprivate42 | oleo: Or it requires more idling ... let me see .. at least after 10 mins it should start to index files |
| 19:19.17 | oleo | hmmm |
| 19:19.23 | oleo | dunno when the service starts |
| 19:19.27 | oleo | i think it starts with kdm |
| 19:19.28 | johnprivate42 | manually indexing on the console using "nepomukindexer <filename>" works |
| 19:19.39 | oleo | or when kdeinit gets spawned! |
| 19:20.05 | oleo | well i turn it off anyway.... |
| 19:20.17 | oleo | don't need no indexing...as of yet.... |
| 19:20.23 | oleo | but your mileage may vary ofc... |
| 19:20.40 | oleo | if i had terabytes of storage maybe then... |
| 19:21.03 | johnprivate42 | oleo: I untick a couple of dirs like my Foto gallery but full text indexing comes in handy |
| 19:21.12 | oleo | ya |
| 19:21.27 | oleo | and i surely wouldn't index anything in /home...... |
| 19:21.39 | oleo | other then maybe my pdfs etc.... |
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| 19:21.59 | oleo | more likely /usr/includ and /usr/src/linux or so..... |
| 19:22.07 | oleo | eheh |
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| 19:56.18 | johnprivate42 | oleo: I deleted my configuration in ~.kde/share/config/nepomuk* and now it's working --- I had a strange device in there, probably from pluging an external HD. |
| 19:56.36 | johnprivate42 | Let me see if there is generally an issue |
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| 19:58.53 | oleo | ah |
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| 20:25.47 | hachre | is there a way to make the region on windows larger that i can grab to resize them? without making them visually larger that is |
| 20:26.23 | hachre | i have this issue on all borders that i have to aim very carefully to be able to grab it |
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| 20:26.47 | Achillion | rdieter: hey, still there? |
| 20:27.00 | Achillion | rdieter: it says "na" |
| 20:27.27 | Achillion | rdieter: is there a way to *force* it to "yes"? |
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| 20:28.08 | oleo | hmm sounds like you rather should adjust your mouse settings..... |
| 20:28.16 | oleo | sensitivity speed etc..... |
| 20:28.38 | hachre | the problem is that the region is only two pixel wide |
| 20:28.41 | hachre | thats a bit crazy imo |
| 20:28.47 | hachre | on mac os its more like 10 |
| 20:28.50 | hachre | for example |
| 20:28.50 | oleo | haha |
| 20:29.21 | oleo | hmmm, use a lower resolution but ..... |
| 20:29.28 | hachre | and yea my mouse is not set up properly as well :) but still 2 pixels... that's not much |
| 20:29.32 | oleo | that won't solve it too.... |
| 20:29.53 | oleo | 2 pixels is hard ya |
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| 21:12.24 | rdieter | Achillion: means policy doesn't allow you do to do it (ie, you need to modify polickit configuration) |
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| 21:16.51 | Achillion | rdieter: hm. I'll look into it. So I should me solving it at the polkit level, and KDE will follow |
| 21:16.59 | Achillion | s/me/be/ |
| 21:17.22 | rdieter | Achillion: yes |
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| 21:17.30 | Achillion | rdieter: excellent, thanks |
| 21:17.56 | rdieter | Achillion: see http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/logind/ for what needs to be set |
| 21:18.14 | Achillion | appreciate it |
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| 21:46.03 | quotemstr | kmail is very, very slow opening inbox in my mail account. |
| 21:46.16 | quotemstr | It takes several seconds to open and group messages --- I have about 50,000. |
| 21:46.21 | quotemstr | Is there anything I can do to speed it up? |
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| 21:49.02 | Achillion | rdieter: seems to be an issue with systemd - it checks if the swap is a partition explicitly http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/coverage/shared/sleep-config.c.gcov.html (line 209) |
| 21:49.54 | rdieter | Achillion: oh, that seems odd. I assume any kind of swap would suffice here |
| 21:50.14 | Achillion | shrugs |
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| 22:20.22 | darkschneider | hello, there is a way, really, to stop kwallet from asking passowords? i'm using dolphin to access a remote location via fish and it asks for a password twice each time i change directory. I tried disabling kwallet subsystem by unticking the box. But the option is simply forgot and if i open the confgiguration option it's enabled again |
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| 22:21.47 | deezed | just cancel kwallet |
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| 22:22.39 | darkschneider | yes, that i tried before trying anything else :) if i click cancel it just does the same as if i do next next finish |
| 22:23.11 | darkschneider | it just closes that single "pop" but i still get another one, and twice for every directly change :) |
| 22:23.46 | silver_hook | Should NetworkManager applet be able to connect with OpenVPN, if I simply import the .conf file in it? |
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| 23:03.24 | YellowMellow | Hey guys, im playing with KDE theme chooser and it doesn't seem to be applying to windows |
| 23:03.34 | YellowMellow | Only to the launcher bar |
| 23:05.22 | YellowMellow | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9399940/Selection_006.png |
| 23:06.00 | Achillion | Desktop theme doesn't change window decorations |
| 23:06.05 | Achillion | They are two separate things |
| 23:06.08 | Phr33d0m | ^ |
| 23:07.12 | YellowMellow | AHH |
| 23:07.30 | YellowMellow | Thank you much |
| 23:07.35 | Phr33d0m | yw |
| 23:07.39 | Achillion | :) |
| 23:07.40 | YellowMellow | Easy solutions are the best :) |
| 23:08.06 | Achillion | non problems are even better |
| 23:08.11 | YellowMellow | Yeah lol |
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| 23:11.50 | YellowMellow | This is really awesome |
| 23:12.08 | YellowMellow | I think im going to stay with KDE |
| 23:16.24 | shevy | I want KDE 5 |
| 23:16.45 | shevy | hmm no... that is not quite correct |
| 23:16.45 | Achillion | whispers "patience" |
| 23:16.57 | shevy | I want to compile KDE 5 from source and then use that |
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| 23:17.36 | YellowMellow | lol |
| 23:17.44 | shevy | :) |
| 23:17.52 | YellowMellow | Hmm |
| 23:17.59 | YellowMellow | Shutter refuses to bind to my keys |
| 23:18.01 | shevy | I do that with the gnome components |
| 23:18.01 | YellowMellow | rawr |
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