IRC log for #kde on 20130918

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00:03.02ytrezqSho: No sorry this is not possible. I need help. The options documented in man page are not far to represent all availble. And they aren't enough in man pages.
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00:04.13d0sesame thing =/
00:05.06Sho_ytrezq: Unfortunately I'd have to go through the same process as you ... I wrote this part of Konversation, but I've never tried to use gnutls to generate a cert
00:06.24ytrezqTanks :/
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00:13.01ytrezqThe command line client tool of gnutls is certtool
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00:23.20Sho_ytrezq: Why do you have to use gnutls btw?
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00:24.41brallanHi! How can preview cover arts embedded in audio file tags as thumbnails?
00:27.42ytrezqbecause I don't trust the PRNG of openssl. I think to seed/seed.c (http://fossies.org/dox/openssl-1.0.1e/seed_8c_source.html). The last time I saw large array like this, it was in binray blobs in linux kernel. But after all I maybe wrong since I don't really understand the code and noone answer to my questions.
00:28.39Sho_ytrezq: ah
00:28.45ytrezqabout what this static const content does
00:29.09Sho_yeah, the reliability/quality of PRNGs is a hot topic again now, obviously.
00:30.33ytrezqseed.c has this heder:
00:30.50ytrezq/*
00:30.51ytrezq<PROTECTED>
00:30.53ytrezq<PROTECTED>
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00:31.50Sho_ytrezq: but doesn't openssl have the ability to use the kernel's prng?
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00:33.35ytrezqNo openssl don't use PRNG directly. wether it is /dev/urandom or intel RDRAND or EGD Daemon. The result are used for the openssl own's PRNG
00:34.54Sho_yeah, I realize the normal PRNG uses /dev/random for seeding, but I thought also had the option of using the kernel implementation directly
00:38.36ytrezqI asked how I could replace openssl PRNG, or use a custom source directly (From stdin or a file). They only told me how to seed for arbitrary sources (openssl client -e options). They told me that would need to rewrite a large part of code without deatilling exacltly how I can do it. The result is that won't use openssl for creating cert's.
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00:42.08ytrezqSo I say gnultls certtool because it is the most used after openssl and I anderstand what the gnutls does. In reality, it could be an another program.
00:46.02ytrezqthe most important is that I tried to ask what seed.c does but i didn't anderstand anything. But I never asked openssl devellopers directly
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01:34.24AristideWhat is a command with gdb for debugging application ? oO'
01:34.32AristideI type gdb akonadiserver
01:34.42AristideBut I don't remember what I must do after for get a backtrace
01:35.14oldlaptopyou probably need to use the gdb command 'run' first
01:35.17oldlaptopthen induce the crash
01:35.31oldlaptoponce you have induced the crash type 'bt'
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01:44.10AristideOk
01:44.19AristideThank you for your help oldlaptop :)
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03:36.55CounterPillowHello
03:37.23CounterPillowrecently, my netbook ran out of memory and some processes broke when it recovered. (KDE kept spawning ksnapshot instances) So I rebooted
03:37.35CounterPillowthe problem is, that said reboot somehow nuked all my plasma-netbook favourites
03:37.37CounterPillowagain.
03:37.50CounterPillowIs this a known issue?
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04:05.07RingtailedFoxso, where can i download the icons used for file types for KDE 2.0 and 3.0?
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04:06.05DaZit's happening
04:06.09DaZ90s want their icons back ;_;
04:09.31thiagoRingtailedFox: the "hicolor" icons should still be installed in your system
04:09.32thiagothey're the fallback
04:10.23RingtailedFoxhmm
04:10.45thiagoif not, just download the old tarballs
04:10.57thiagoif kdeartwork exists, that's the one; otherwise, kdelibs or kdebase
04:11.12thiagowe switched away from hicolor to crystal sometime in KDE 3.4. Maybe 3.3.
04:11.57RingtailedFox*nods*
04:12.04RingtailedFoxi meant like the icons used in http://community.kde.org/File:KDEProjectHistory_Meetings_screenshot1.png
04:12.38CounterPillow*tips fedora*
04:12.38RingtailedFoxhttp://community.kde.org/File:KDEProjectHistory_Meetings_k3-2-screen0.png i have the midi and text file ones
04:13.25thiagothat's the "hicolor" theme
04:13.38RingtailedFoxmmkay
04:14.28RingtailedFoxi'll just find hte old tarballs of it
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04:23.44RingtailedFoxwhere *are* the old tarballs of KDE 2.2.2 and KDE 3.0 located?
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04:25.29thiagosomewhere in ftp.kde.org
04:26.35RingtailedFoxthe oldest there is 3.5.10
04:27.21nesciushello
04:27.24RingtailedFoxhiya
04:28.28nesciusi am in japan now and will be here for a year so i was wondering if there is some support for kanji and kana in kde (such as input methods, not translations)
04:29.21RingtailedFoxyou want kanji/kana input... let me check
04:29.29nesciusthere is ibus-qt which is what i use now, but it cannot be switched off once started so it is somewhat clumsy.
04:30.00RingtailedFoxhttp://www.localizingjapan.com/blog/2011/12/06/japanese-input-on-opensuse-linux-12-1-kde-4-7/
04:30.31nesciusi would prefer for japanese and chinese to drop the silly idea of chinese signs, but it wont happen.. in forseeable future :(
04:30.40nesciusRingtailedFox: thank you!
04:30.53RingtailedFoxi hope that's what you are looking for
04:31.57nesciusyes, thats what i use now (anthy is actually quite unusable, ibus-mozc is way better)
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04:32.53CounterPillowPerfect opportunity to write some patches
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07:12.52JackWinterwas there some changes to how the mouse behaves in kde 4.11, on 2 machines updated the mouse is annoying me, not quite sure what it does differently, but i get unexpected behavious that i haven't seen in many years of kde use.  just like my chromium focus stealing problem it could of course also be something completely different than kde
07:15.41JackWinterfor instance if i grab the scrollbar in konversation and pull the mouse up/down/right/left at some point it will let go, and it might start moving the konvi window around, or do something in my plasma panel
07:16.14JackWinterthink i read about someone else experiencing a similar change a few weeks ago in this channel
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09:25.52ovidiu-florinJackWinter: touchpad or mouse?
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09:31.34JackWinterovidiu-florin: mouse on both systems
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09:31.49ovidiu-florinboth?
09:33.03JackWinteryeah, on a laptop and now on my home system, so it's most likely not the mouse itself (which i would have suspected).  but i guess most likely a X problem, just thought i'd ask
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10:18.04ovidiu-florinwhat distro?
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10:29.25T-Sourcemakerhow can I configure the timezone in akonadi?
10:29.54T-SourcemakerI sync my calender with owncloud which has the timezone Europe/Berlin... but akonadi stores the calender entries in UTC
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10:39.45AristideHi ! KDE 4.11.1 is not present in version list on bugs.kde.org ! :)
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11:17.30JackWinterovidiu-florin: if you are asking me what distro (had to reboot a machine), then archlinux, but both systems running intel gpu.  will update and try if i get the same on a nvidia system too
11:18.39ovidiu-florinwhat's the site that captures your focus?
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11:20.29JackWinterthat seems to be huffington post running in konqueror.  seems to be gone now that i've set focus stealing prevention to extreme, but that's not really a nice solution to the problem :)  or can you set that on an app level?
11:22.09JackWinteroh i suppose i could do that...  for as long as i can remember new chromium instances have always opened behind other windows anyways...
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11:24.29BluesKaj'Morning folks
11:24.34rindolfBluesKaj: morning.
11:25.18BluesKajHi rindolf , what's happening today ?
11:25.34JackWinterovidiu-florin: i've set the global focus stealing prevention back to default, and created a window rule for chromium.  i guess that ought to work
11:26.17rindolfBluesKaj: hi, I debugged a problem where löve2d-0.8.0 refused to build on Mageia Linux Cauldron and it turns out it does not support Lua-5.2.x.
11:27.26JackWintertalking about that, does chromium open up behind other windows for all of you, or is that an issue local to my systems or distro?
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11:30.31BluesKajJackWinter: seems like a MS Windows "feature"
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11:30.50ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: :))
11:31.50BluesKajno JackWinter haven't sdeen that with chromium here , netrunner and kubuntu
11:32.06JackWinterBluesKaj: :)  problem is i try to stay as far away as possible from windows..
11:32.11BluesKajerr seen
11:32.24ovidiu-florinJackWinter: same here on 2 different Arch Linux + many more kubuntus
11:32.51JackWinterhmm, then i guess it must be a feature of archlinux, i'll go and ask them, unless they flame me too much for using kde :)
11:33.10ovidiu-florinyeah... they have that habit
11:33.20JackWinterovidiu-florin: how do you mean, you see it or you don't?
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11:34.30JackWinterit's not a huge problem, i've gotten used to it.  just strange to launch a program and have it come up behind another window instead of on top
11:34.59JackWinterafaik, chromium is the only thing doing it.  but it has another couple of bad habits, so...:)
11:35.00BluesKajJackWinter:  yeah one of the arch drawbacks , their support chat's are full of juveys with attitude . onr of the reasons I dumped arch after a few weeks
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11:35.51JackWinterBluesKaj: well i like the distro, so that's the most important thing for me.  if i have to ignore some idiots on irc i can live with that.
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11:38.57BluesKajJackWinter:  arch was ok , nothing special ,especially after the install procedure. It was anticlimactic...maybe i didn't give it long enough to appreciate it's positives
11:39.34Basstard`BluesKaj: Parabola.
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11:39.58BluesKajI've been thinking about installing it again
11:40.02ovidiu-florinJackWinter: I don't
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11:42.02JackWinterovidiu-florin: oh that's interesting.  i see it on all 4 of my systems as long as i run kde and chromium together (i think).  for a long long time anyways.  if other archlinux users don't see it, then i really have to investigate it...
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11:42.28ovidiu-florinI'm mostly using Google Chrome
11:42.36ovidiu-florinbut I also have chromium
11:42.44ovidiu-florinand I don't see that behaviour
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11:43.05JackWinterBluesKaj: i appreciate the package building/maintenance system very much, and mostly up to date software is also a plus.  kind of dislike that so much software is in aur, but can live with that.
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11:46.59BluesKajJackWinter:  understood
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11:47.58TakeGood day
11:48.34TakeI'm attempting an build for digikam and now I've ran into an issue which I can't figure out, hopefully someone here can help me out
11:48.59rindolfI don't have this problem with Chromium either (Mageia Linux Cauldron x86-64).
11:49.05rindolfTake: OK.
11:49.11TakeIt all boils down to "kipi-plugins needs libkdcraw. You need to install the libkdcraw (version >= 2.2.0) library development package." -message, with a twist
11:49.52TakeI've built libkdcraw by hand and installed it into ~/lib/ and I've set KDCRAW_INCLUDE_DIR and KDCRAW_LIBRARIES at CMakeLists.txt
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11:50.15rindolfTake: don't.
11:50.16TakeAdditionally, I built kipi libraries by hand as well on similar manner and it works out just fine
11:50.18rindolfTake: use pkg-config.
11:50.38rindolfTake: you should not need to modify CMakeLists.txt.
11:52.04Takerindolf: How I can tell pkg-config to include ~/lib/?
11:53.03JackWinteri'll be... why on earth do i have an issue on several systems (also installed from scratch), when others on the same distro don't.  oh well, one more mystery to possibly uncover some day
11:53.24rindolfTake: set PKG_CONFIG_PATH
11:53.32rindolfTake: man pkg-config
11:54.53Takerindolf: that doesn't seem to do anything
11:55.11rindolfTake: what did you set it to?
11:55.17rindolfTake: did you use export?
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11:55.31Takerindolf: export, yes, and to /home/take/lib
11:55.40rindolfTake: OK, should be fine.
11:55.53rindolfTake: are you trying to build kipi or digikam?
11:56.00Takerindolf: digikam
11:56.06rindolfTake: OK.
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11:57.03TakeHmh..
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11:59.12BluesKajJackWinter:  perhaps an "always on top" desktop setting ?
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12:00.13rindolfTake: I'm downloading digikam-3.4.0.tar.bz2 now.
12:00.49rindolfHmmm... why am I downloading from a mirror in Oman (.om)?
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12:01.36Takerindolf: http://pastebin.ca/2454132
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12:02.36Takerindolf: but, the strange part is that if PKG_CONFIG_PATH is set then libkipi is missing, and regardless of the error message `pkg-config --exists libkdcraw` returns 0
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12:03.42JackWinterBluesKaj: well i haven't really changed much in kde from defaults, don't remember any always on top settings at all.  but it seems that a new chromium instance is always instantiated behind the top window here :)
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12:05.52BluesKajJackWinter: yeah , i must confess, I don't know where I swa the "always on top" option ..could have ben on W7 ...my old memory cells fail me more these days
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12:06.14rindolfTake: ah, you need to set PKG_CONFIG_PATH to the path containing the .pc files.
12:06.41rindolfKDE has per-application settings.
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12:08.23Takerindolf: that's it, thank you!
12:08.35rindolfTake: you're welcome.
12:08.40Takerindolf: but, now it's complaining that the libkdcraw (built from digikam's tarball) is too old?
12:08.43rindolfTake: is it working now?
12:08.55rindolfTake: ah.
12:09.13Take"libkdcraw: Version information not found, your version is probably too old."
12:09.23TakeBut I suppose that's easy(ish) to fix
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12:13.20Takerindolf: hmh, actually that's a bit odd, cmake shows "Found libkdcraw release >= 0.2.0"
12:13.47Takerindolf: But still it throws an error "version information not found"
12:13.59rindolfTake: ah.
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12:14.17rindolfTake: can you pastebin the entire output?
12:16.04Takerindolf: http://paste.debian.net/42323/
12:16.54Takehmh, some IRL interruptions, brb
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12:17.58rindolfTake: you need greater than version 2.2.0
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12:22.41Takerindolf: That's the one shipped with digikam-3.4.0.tar.bz2, so it's a bit odd
12:23.06Takerindolf: I mean odd that obsolete version is shipped with offical tarball
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12:23.53rindolfTake: well, greater or equal.
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12:27.11MoviuroHi there ;) Any news about tiling in KWin? It disappeared but are there scripts or anything bringing it back?
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12:28.29Takerindolf: Where I could find proper version? Google lands only to sourceforge page with version 1.9 and various bugtrackers/package listings from debian/ubuntu
12:29.02BluesKajthis is somewhat offtopic , but it's good news for the linux community http://www.pcworld.com/article/2048893/ibm-hopes-to-power-cloud-analytics-with-1-billion-linux-investment.html
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12:31.15Takerindolf: even the one at digikam's github repository has changelog for version 0.1.4
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12:43.49TakeWell, even stranger, I attempted to build digikam from git source and I still get the same error...
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13:15.15rdieterTake: it's a bit of a mess that digikam ever tried to bundle copies of those libraries in the first place.  Looks like the bundled case didn't get tested all that well for 3.4.0
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13:16.18Takerdieter: I've traced the issue around a bit, based on what I understand I've got libkdcraw 2.3.0 installed
13:16.44Takerdieter: but for some reason build doesn't get the proper version number
13:16.46rdieterTake: what version of kde?
13:17.12Takerdieter: hm.. good question ;)
13:17.22rdieterbuilds digikam against kde-4.11.1's libkdcraw just fine (it's pkgconfig file reports version 2.3.1)
13:17.40Takerdieter: I'm running xfce and I only have parts of KDE isntalled
13:17.40rdieterTake: kde4-config --kde-version
13:18.25Takerdieter: 4.8.4
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13:18.31rdieterTake: and when you say libkdcraw 2.3.0 is installed, you sure you have all the development headers/libraries too?  (distros often split the runtime and -devel pieces into separate packages)
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13:18.43Takerdieter: I built libkdcraw by myself
13:18.49Takerdieter: the one built with debian is too old
13:18.55rdietertrue
13:19.09rdieterTake: ok, you built to some custom prefix?
13:19.11TakeAnd I'm not that interested to upgrade into testing just yet
13:19.16Takerdieter: sure
13:19.21rdieterI bet pkgconfig can't find it there
13:19.27TakeI bet it does
13:19.35rdieterlet's see. :)
13:19.53TakeIt just doesn't get the version number out properly for some reason
13:20.05rdieterTake: what does this say?   pkg-config --modversion libkdcraw
13:20.28rdieterand where did you install libkdcraw?  ie, where is libkdcraw.pc in particular?
13:20.53Takehttp://paste.debian.net/42323/
13:21.01TakeThere's build messages from digikam
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13:21.21rdietertry pkg-config as I suggested please
13:21.36Take2.3.1
13:21.40rdieterok, good
13:21.46rdieternow, in your build/ directory...
13:21.50rdieterrm -rf *
13:21.53rdieterand try running cmake again
13:22.15TakeBeen there, done that, but I could do it once again to see if it makes any difference ;)
13:22.23rdieter(cmake caches old results)
13:22.46Take<PROTECTED>
13:22.55Take<PROTECTED>
13:23.03TakeAnd the others I've seen before
13:23.34TakeI've traced the error down to kipi-plugins/CMakeLists.txt
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13:23.41TakeFIND_PACKAGE(Kdcraw     REQUIRED)
13:23.58TakeApparently that line _should_ set KDCRAW_VERSION -variable as well, but for some reason it doesn't
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13:24.03rdieterwhat version of cmake do you have?
13:24.11rdieterand kdelibs ?
13:24.18Takecmake 2.8.9
13:24.34Takekdelibs 4.8.4
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13:27.41rdieterTake: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311936
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13:29.50Takerdieter: that might be the issue
13:30.26Takerdieter: I'll see how it goes, I just hardcoded the proper version number directly into CMakeList.txt and now it builds
13:30.52Takerdieter: That's obviously way wrong thing to fix anything, but seems to work
13:31.37rdieteryeah, like I said, digikam's attempt to ever bundle these libs has been a mess, imho
13:32.02TakeI haven't followed the whole project
13:32.27rdieterthis is one bad side effect of that bundling
13:32.27TakeI just needed something to replace my current setup and digikam seems to suit the needs
13:32.53TakeThe version built on debian however is really unstable
13:33.23TakeAnd lacks some of the features I'd like to have, like upnp
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13:35.05Takerdieter: but yes, I agree, it's somehow silly to bundle tons of libraries into single project
13:36.27rdieterthe intentions were noble, to make it simpler for digikam developers, to avoid the mess of hunting down lots of external dependencies.  unfortunately, they bought themselves an even bigger mess.
13:36.52rdieteragain, imho, being completely biased as a distro packager, of course
13:37.01Takehehe
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13:38.27TakeHmh.. that build is going to take a while
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13:39.05TakeI just hope it's worht the effort to get newer version
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13:39.43TakeI've got an goal to run whole setup on another server and access it via workstation and laptop(s)
13:40.21TakeWell, "whole setup" being samba-share and mysqld
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13:42.42Take"/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lkipi"
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15:34.57sbjfhi, since yesterday, native KDE applications and a few others will no longer start in KDE. What I've tried: clearing /var/tmp/kdecache-*. This is on KDE 4.11.1, Arch Linux. More details I thought might be relevant are here: http://paste.kde.org/p521d00a5/. Any ideas what might be causing this?
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15:35.44sbjfoh, and they will start if they are started right after the session begins, but only in the first few seconds
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15:40.18JoeSomebodyhow do i start kde net mgr?
15:43.04ovidiu-florinJoeSomebody: what distro?
15:45.18JoeSomebodyopensuse 12.3 kde 53
15:45.41JoeSomebodysays i cant use yast  & network mgr is not working out
15:45.54JoeSomebodywell it is greyed out
15:46.04JoeSomebodyso not working only wireless
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15:47.55sbjfJoeSomebody: KNetworkManager?
15:48.18JoeSomebodyhow do i ungrey the wired?
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16:54.55mxttiei have an account on community.kde.org but it asks a password when I want to set an email address (currently none). I don't think I have a password since I always logged in using openid. Who can I contact for that?
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17:22.17ccoloradoIs there any way I can get a window to maximize to both of my screens ?
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17:22.58sbjfmxttie: i think there's some general problem with passwords at the moment, I registered a few hours ago and now I can't login (and I'm pretty sure I know the password)
17:23.57mxttiesbjf: thanks for the heads up. I'll just wait a bit then :)
17:23.59sbjfmxttie: oh wait, login name != user name, ....
17:24.15sbjfI can actually log in
17:24.22mxttielol, ok
17:24.34sbjfsorry :/
17:24.46mxttiei actually tried to link my gmail account and that failed
17:25.10mxttiethat's why i wanted to try setting an email address or something
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17:38.26Guest3689Hello
17:38.42Guest3689I have a plasmoid on my desktop and I can't disable it
17:38.47Guest3689It doesn't appear the options bar
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18:25.02edocodhi everyone
18:25.07edocodsomeone using kdenlive?
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18:39.16Justiceis there more info about the new vsync options in kwin?
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19:06.03Basstard`Is it possible to connect to different networks in Dolphin temporarily, so that it doesn't save the information? Like private/incognito/etc.
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19:24.21CounterPillowHah, I fixed my plasma-netbook
19:24.44CounterPillowapparently, every KDE update, it just mangles my config in some way
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20:01.19lotofois using kde with manjaro
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20:43.34gorgonzolahello folks! has anyone else experienced this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319172 ? it's driving me nuts :(
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21:18.00lsoaguys, little help please. My taskbar is gone, how can I get it back
21:18.19cb400fthe whole panel? or just the taskbar widget?
21:18.23lsoawhole panel
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21:18.40lsoaoooh I got it
21:18.47lsoaadd panel > default panel
21:18.49cb400fright click desktop > add panel -> default panel
21:18.50cb400fyup
21:18.59lsoaty  anyway :D
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22:09.08MaNIkrfb pops up a window to ask if the connection should be allowed despite "ask to allow connections" being unticked in settings, is there something I can do to force it not to ask?
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22:36.57wgoslingCan I make it so my phone shows up as 'Nexus 7' instead of 'Portible Media Player'
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23:33.26dmattmy akonadi feeder for nepomuk keeps repeating (always failing) query for maiI which I have deleted
23:33.36dmattakonadi_nepomuk_feeder(2363) ItemQueue::batchJobResult: Error while storing graph:  "SQLExecDirect failed on query 'sparql insert into <nepomuk:
23:34.28dmattanu idea how to get rid of the query?
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23:36.25dmattI tried nepomukcleaner but it did not help
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23:39.07reactormonkhow come the email indexer is suspended?
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23:53.37Basstard`Akonadi & Nepomuk \o/
23:59.48hidWhat r really nepomuk and akonadi? i mean i always disabled em to make the os faster.

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