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00:33.08chakbohow does one set the panel clock to read in 24 hour format and not 12 hour format?
00:33.27Sho_Check out the time format options in the locale settings in System Settings
00:33.57chakboSho_:   okay, thanks
00:34.07Sho_yw
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00:35.06chakbototally worked :)   thank you again Sho_
00:35.28Sho_:)
00:35.49chakboI'm coming over from gnome and all that jazz
00:35.50chakboso a little rusty with kde
00:35.54Sho_chakbo: Ironically until about 2-3 releases ago it didn't work immediately but only after a restart due to a bug i was vaguely involved with fixing
00:36.06chakboloving kde with chakra linux though
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00:36.24chakboSho_:   oh wow, good on ya mate
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00:59.08chakboohhhh another question ... I used to use "gpodder"  is there a kpodder?  or maybe amarok can be used as a podcatcher?
00:59.24Sho_yeah it has podcast support
00:59.25Roeyin using the latest KDE, I have Present Windows configured to trigger when the mouse hits the bottom edge of the screen..  only that now I only see the bottom edge of the screen lighting up, but no Present Windows... (it still works if I type the shortcut key though)
00:59.45Roeyanyone know about this?
00:59.52Roeynominates Sho_ for an answer
01:00.02Sho_no, it still works for me i'm afraid
01:00.15Roeyall I see here is the blue edge lighting up
01:00.19Roeybut it doesn't...seem to work
01:00.25Sho_i use a corner rather than an edge though
01:00.32Roey*does not seem to launch the Present Windows effect
01:00.36Roeyok, I'll try it in a corner
01:00.45Roey(er...that sounded dirty, my bad)
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01:01.22Sho_go to your corner :P
01:01.50Roeyha
01:01.56Roeyok, it is not responsive for any corners
01:01.59Roeyor any edges.
01:02.01Roeythe corner lights up
01:02.03Roeythe edges light up
01:02.07Roeybut...no effects happen
01:03.03Sho_is so unhappy with that lightup thingie
01:05.10Roeywarum?
01:05.26Roeyfür wass?
01:05.39Roeywherefore?
01:05.52Sho_It's shipping with slightly broken rendering
01:06.00Roeyhow is it slightly broken, in what wya?
01:06.02Roeyway
01:06.37Sho_http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-c13278
01:06.44chakbohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO5eMBaskes  best economic graph ever!  LOL   (just wanted to share this with you)
01:07.57Roeyah
01:07.59Sho_chakbo: well now i know how to not try peeing
01:07.59Roeyhow did that happen..
01:08.08chakboLOL
01:08.11Sho_Roey: programmer blindness
01:08.15Roeyahaa
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05:14.20nick87720zhi people. I just installed kde telepathy 0.6. To get irc i also installed telepathy-idle, whose version is 0.1.11 (packaged in ubuntu 12.04).
05:15.04nick87720zBut when i try to add account, in kde config module, there is no irc mode at all.
05:16.16nick87720zAll other plugins add something (e.g. i have two ways for MSN - with jabber and without)
05:18.45Jucatonick87720z: first Q&A http://community.kde.org/KTp/RepeatedDiscussions/IRC
05:19.24nick87720zJucato: thanks :)
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05:19.46nick87720zso close
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05:36.15sawesdaemy vpn dosent work
05:36.22sawesdaehalp anyone
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05:55.12sawesdaehow to use vpn it dosent work normal
05:55.57sawesdaejebem vam mater
05:56.30thiagowhat type of VPN?
05:57.10sawesdaepptp
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05:57.28thiagohas it ever worked?
05:57.45sawesdaenot here it worked on ubuntu and other idistros
05:57.50sawesdaebut in kde
05:57.54sawesdaekubuntu
05:58.00sawesdaeit just seys connecting
05:58.03sawesdaeand drops
05:58.28thiagoplease ask in #kubuntu. It is probably a system installation issue.
05:58.43sawesdaei ask ther and nobody answers
05:58.50sawesdaehow to debug
05:58.53sawesdaeso i can see error
05:59.04thiagowait a few more hours
05:59.11thiagoit will be morning in Europe soon
05:59.29sawesdaehahahahah
06:00.58sawesdaei think it hes to do whit not using wallet
06:01.11thiagocould be
06:01.24thiagoNM requires authentication via polkit and kwallet provides that
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06:02.09sawesdaeknow how to fix this
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06:04.07sawesdaeno i truned kde wallt one still same
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06:08.49hyliankde wont let me remove activities, it doesn't give me the "stop playing" sign, so I cant delete them. Why isn't this always an option? (I was making activities to see the difference between them)
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06:09.50hylianhello?
06:10.28hylianwhips out his scanner, but detects nothing but afk zombies.
06:10.56hylianscreams hello!1
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07:27.04joshlibertyIs there an active KDE channel anywhere?
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07:28.08Sho_joshliberty: How about this one?
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07:36.25joshlibertySho_: doesn't seem to be active. I'm here nearly all the time, and never once saw a message being sent
07:36.36joshlibertyMaybe I'm missing something.. :P
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07:39.53Sho_joshliberty: dunno, I have conversations here almost every day :)
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08:38.15rottingdeadSho_: How's you been?
08:38.31Sho_rottingdead: Can't complain, a bit tired here and there perhaps
08:38.55rottingdeadSho_: Heh.  I'm just waking up actually, it's 4:39 AM here.
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08:40.15rottingdeadSho_: My brain isn't functional right now, lol..
08:40.31Sho_rottingdead: 10:40 AM and I'm still up
08:40.57rottingdeadSho_: Aaaaah, yes, that's right, I believe you said you were in Europe, no?
08:41.37Sho_rottingdead: Yup
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08:43.14rottingdeadSho_: Thas cool, =).\
08:43.31rottingdeadSho_: I've always wondered what it's like outside of US Walls,  heheh.
08:43.40rottingdeadUS Borders**
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08:44.18rottingdeadjcallen: Sweet, you're a developer for Quassel?
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08:46.26rottingdeadSho_: But yeah, guess I'll start compiling another KDE Component.
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08:46.32bonsaikittenrottingdead: no, he just hasn't changed quassel's default userid
08:46.43rottingdeadbonsaikitten: ?!?!
08:46.59rottingdeadbonsaikitten: Since when have you came in here?
08:47.10Sho_is a developer for Konversation, incidentally
08:47.18rottingdeadSho_: I knew that, heheh.
08:47.34bonsaikittenrottingdead: whenever the fecal matter hits the circular air mover I ask for advice here, then forget to /part
08:47.35Sho_rottingdead: It's not so different here. Cities are organized differently, the notion of distances is a bit different.
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08:48.00rottingdeadbonsaikitten: Heheh, yes, I'm in here annoying people too! =P.
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08:56.50rottingdeadSho_: So, how's KDE life been treating ya?
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08:58.52Sho_rottingdead: pretty well, seen http://blogs.kde.org/2013/07/29/kde-plasma-desktop-411s-new-task-manager?
08:59.57rottingdeadSho_: Naw, kde 4.11 isn't out of overlay yet in Gentoo, =(.
09:00.07Sho_well, meant the blog
09:00.13Sho_one of the things i'm shipping in 4.11
09:00.38rottingdeadSho_: How much of KDE have you contributed into anyway?
09:01.51Sho_rottingdead: Quite a bit in 8 years
09:02.07rottingdeadSho_: I really do like KDE, the entire desktop can be dug apart, =).
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09:03.30rottingdeadSho_: I don't see that happening in Gnome! Lol..
09:03.43Sho_rottingdead: I've probably contributed to about 20 or so codebases, and maintain a few of them, and then there's non-code stuff like spending ~18 months on the sysadmin team helping with things like dev accounts and svn->git transitioning, e.V. member stuff, co-gc with freenode, IRC op, dot.kde.org copy editing, some KDE Usability work, etc.
09:03.45aloceris this correct --> kiclient exec mtp:/
09:04.11alocerkioclient exec mtp:/
09:04.50rottingdeadSho_: Just grabbing my finishing touches on KDE, kdeedu-meta, and kdegames-meta.
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09:05.54rottingdeadSho_: Neighbor came over, showed her what I knew, heh, blew her mind, he boyfriend came over once and said, "You should see how much he knows!" Lol..  Yeah,  it blew her mind.
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09:07.06rottingdeadSho_: She was really liking that KBruch App, the Fractions one.
09:07.53rottingdeadSho_: I'm in FluxBox now, it's what I mainly use.
09:07.58Sho_rottingdead: Marble and KStars are really cool too
09:08.28rottingdeadSho_: Hey, that Monopoly like game, it doesn't seem to work for me, any ideas how to get that to work?
09:08.52Sho_rottingdead: mm not off hand sorry, haven't tried it in ages
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09:08.58Sho_i mainly play knetwalk and kolf sometimes ..
09:09.12rottingdeadSho_: Kolf, lol, I never really was a golfer.
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09:12.36rottingdeadSho_: What I really love is Bowling, wished somebody would write a bowling app! Heh.
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09:14.39rottingdeadSho_: So,  how long did it actually take to write KDE anyway?
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09:19.00Sho_rottingdead: It's 18 years old now
09:19.15Sho_rottingdead: There's not much code left from 18 years ago though, so it's difficult to answer :)
09:19.22Sho_rottingdead: We rewrote a lot just with KDE 4.0
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09:24.26rottingdeadSho_: D'oh, so much for kdegames-meta, =(.
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09:42.23rottingdeadSho_: Messing with this Blender 3D Modeler, trying to make a Wolf, so far no good, lol..
09:42.43Sho_rottingdead: Maybe start with something simpler and unorganic first
09:42.49Sho_My usual recommendation is to model your alarm clock
09:43.01rottingdeadSho_: Yeah, you're right there, guess I should.
09:43.29rottingdeadSho_: Adding some Python Codes to actually make it work would be sweet, =).
09:43.45Sho_is a big fan of Python too
09:44.00rottingdeadSho_: I don't know Python, lol, I'd have to learn how to use it.
09:44.12rottingdeadSho_: I just said Python because it's what Blender uses.
09:44.25Sho_Yep
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09:45.58rottingdeadSho_: That would be sweet, make a Clock for my FluxBox, =). Heh.
09:46.27rottingdeadSho_: Something that would be larger than the one on the Panel here.
09:46.38Sho_rottingdead: https://vimeo.com/69154043
09:47.14rottingdeadSho_: Heh, I think that would be beyond my ability.
09:48.47rottingdeadSho_: Hey, did you make that?
09:49.15Sho_rottingdead: naaah
09:49.52rottingdeadSho_: Darn, looks like somebody put a lot of time into designing that.
09:50.04Sho_rottingdead: yeah and pretty cool idea to embed Marble
09:50.35rottingdeadSho_: That was pretty sweet how it could fold up like that!
09:51.43rottingdeadSho_: Hah, if I made something like that, I'd really blow my neighbors mind! Lol, I blew her mind doing what I do in Linux, doing something like that would probably kill  her! Lolol..
09:52.51rottingdeadSho_: I mean, she's no computer wizard, so yeah, that's why she found what I did very interesting..
09:55.05Sho_rottingdead: :)
09:55.35rottingdeadSho_: Even to me, knowing a lot, that clock was pretty amazing, =)
09:55.57Sho_yeah to me too actually
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10:00.38rottingdeadSho_: I liked how it folded up, and how the Earth on it spun, and got dark on each side as well..
10:01.21rottingdeadSho_: I couldn't imagine how long it took that person to make that.
10:02.07Sho_rottingdead: the planet part is actually relatively easy, but clever
10:02.10Sho_he embedded Marble for that
10:02.23rottingdeadSho_: Aaaah, okay.
10:02.32rottingdeadSho_: Do you know that person?
10:02.57rottingdeadSho_: Which part was Marble?
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10:11.33Sho_rottingdead: The Earth
10:11.37Sho_and the moon
10:16.17rottingdeadSho_: Hmm, don't recall the moon, but oh well..
10:16.34Sho_rottingdead: maybe i misremember, i watched it weeks ago
10:16.50rottingdeadSho_: Do you know that person though?
10:17.18Sho_rottingdead: Nope
10:17.28rottingdeadSho_: Aaaaah, okie..  Just a run across, eh?
10:17.34Sho_rottingdead: Which makes me happy
10:17.40rottingdeadSho_: Hah, why's that?
10:17.41Sho_Would be sad if I knew _all_ the cool people
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10:17.48Sho_it's nice there is more than I can know
10:18.06rottingdeadSho_: Lol, you can't show him how jealous ya are? =P.
10:18.33Sho_rottingdead: No, I mean it's nice there is always new people coming
10:18.44rottingdeadSho_: Ooooooh, yes yes.
10:18.58Sho_I can write thas plasmoid too (but I probably would not have thought to do it)
10:20.08BluesKajHey all
10:20.31rottingdeadBluesKaj: Heya!
10:20.51BluesKajhi rottingdead :)
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10:22.39rottingdeadI'll brb.
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11:31.44alfonsojonHi, I'm running KDE 4.11 and I have the following issue
11:32.07alfonsojonWhenever the power manager service is started on login, this error pops up
11:32.13alfonsojonThe profile "AC" tried to activate DimDisplay, a non existent action.
11:32.39alfonsojonThis is usually due to an installation problem or to a configuration problem.
11:32.46alfonsojonCan anyone else confirm this?
11:32.58alfonsojonI found this - http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?63284-Error-The-profile-quot-AC-quot-tried-to-activate-DimDisplay
11:33.14alfonsojonBut I think that this shouldn't have to be changed by every user who installs KDE 4.11
11:33.32BluesKajalf it's a bug , I get it too , but i haven't bothered looking into it since I'm on a desktop
11:33.43BluesKajalfonsojon,^
11:33.50alfonsojonI'm on a desktop too, but I don't think it happens to laptops
11:34.23BluesKajdunno , my daughter still hasn't returned mione
11:34.48alfonsojonAlright
11:34.57alfonsojonI would test on my laptop but it's an ARM Chromebook
11:35.10alfonsojonIt uses closed-source GPU drivers :(
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11:36.21BluesKajalf fwiw , I tried defeating/disabling the power settings , bu the the error still occurs
11:36.30BluesKajalfonsojon,^
11:36.57alfonsojonNo need to ping
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11:37.22alfonsojonAlso, that fix on that page doesn't fix it?
11:37.25alfonsojonseems recent
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11:40.34BluesKajalfonsojon, well, i'm not too concerned , it's been around for a while in my case since I'm testing alpha and beta releases , but it doesn't seem to affect anything IME.
11:41.15alfonsojonIt doesn't seem to affect anything other than a notification on boot or when changing settings
11:41.20alfonsojondoesn't seem broken at all
11:41.48BluesKajit's merely an annoyance
11:42.05alfonsojonI'll live with it then
11:42.16alfonsojonI don't feel it's worth changing configurations just to silence it
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11:45.34alfonsojonBluesKaj: How can I disable composition when I'm running a certain java program?
11:45.49sjihsHi, I am using KDE 4.10.5 on Fedora 19. Most of the time, clicking on "K menu" => Shutdown, Does not bring up the 'Shutdown' button on the screen. I am forced to do "sudo poweroff" from konsole
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11:48.49BluesKajalfonsojon, do you mean composting ? ..not knowledgeable about java
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11:49.35Sho_alfonsojon: use special window settings and then he "block compositing" flag there
11:49.50Sho_sjihs: you're not using KDM or a compatible login manager
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11:50.10sjihsSho_: I am using KDM.
11:51.38sjihsAlso i had configured some global shortcut keys to launch apps like konsole, konqueror and emacs. These shortcuts don't work in the same session when 'shutdown' menu entry doesn't.
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12:00.30alfonsojonBluesKaj: I mean the special fx used by kwm
12:01.11alfonsojonSho_ The issue is, it doesn't have any real definite way to tell which program it is under java, unless I run every java program without compositing
12:04.02alfonsojonNevermind, did a substring match for "Minecraft"
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12:35.19denysoniqueIs it possible to configure input boxes using QtCurve?
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12:36.12yann-kaeligHI, I will wish to offer you an advice for the next version of kde. Ask designers, to draw the GUI, and then code, and not the reverse...
12:36.20yann-kaeliginteraction, creation, customization is now completely sucks, not to mention the bugs later this creates.
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12:41.06yann-kaeligpositionning plasmoid  is a challenge with other in a same line, when a plasmoid overlaps another it's horrible. etc..
12:41.19yann-kaeligdesigners
12:42.29yann-kaeliggesture of color, same
12:45.41yann-kaeligif you want help, I can offer my help. My opinion is a good DE is a DE that you can play with it.
12:46.21yann-kaeligkde4 is a fraustated DE
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12:49.04silver_hookrisks a flame war, but he’s interested…
12:49.28silver_hookRight, so what’s the up- and down-sides of VLC and GStreamer backends for Phonon?
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12:49.58silver_hookpulls down the flame visier on his discussion armour
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12:54.31neverendingosilver_hook: http://community.kde.org/Phonon/FeatureMatrix
12:55.00BluesKajyann-kaelig, frustrating for you maybe , it'/s fine here , but it depends on what you want to do with it.
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13:01.53neverendingoyann-kaelig: on top of that, it _was_ designed by a designer before it was coded
13:04.53silver_hookneverendingo: Thanks :)
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13:05.18yann-kaeligBluesKaj: hi, did you really try to create you own kde look , manipulate the plasmoid, look for the matching color with applications, try to change an option and finally find it in a group of little relevance, etc...
13:06.25yann-kaeligis the parcour of Fighter :D
13:06.53BluesKajyann-kaelig, I changed the look , colours , apps look similar
13:06.55silver_hookneverendingo: Since GStreamer offers more features (and AFAIK is stable), why is the VLC backend then the preferred option?
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13:08.19BluesKajsilver_hook, because VLC can use it's internal codecs in the backend , some ppl don't have all restricted codecs installed which VLC contains
13:08.49silver_hookBluesKaj: So effectively just ease of install?
13:11.00BluesKajsilver_hook, the VLC backend also provides a digital passthru for those who use spdif with dragonplayer etc
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13:38.40hplci think i screwed up in kde4/plasma, easiest way to repair it? deinstall and reinstall in single mode?
13:39.30rdieterhplc: depends on what "screwed up" means.
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13:40.32hplcwell it no longer possible to use, it looks somewhat like broken piece of glass, but any other desktop environment works just fine
13:40.37rdieterif it's just a configuration issue, resetting user preferences is sometimes enough (ie, remove/backup stuff matching ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* )
13:40.59hplci think i broke it in a CLI pkg update
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13:41.17rdieterhplc: probably best to ask your distro at this point then
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15:13.09VergeAre the devs ever going to restore removed or broken plugins in Kate?
15:13.36VergeI've been crying for the broken autocomplete of brackets and quotation marks for a year or so
15:14.01VergeI don't quite follow why they were removed
15:14.18VergeI see there's this Python engine introduced in 4.10 but no plugins
15:14.39VergeSome "plugins" which seem to be more like mockups
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15:16.31SaabzeroHey there, i just started a huge file transfer (800gb). I then unticked the "File Transfers and jobs" in the notification settings. No i've lost every feedback about the file transfer, is there a way to get my file transfer information back? thx ( Archlinux KDE 4.10.5)
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15:22.28Saabzerook killing plasma-desktop and restarting it at least gives me some information in the notification area again ...
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16:35.42ovidiu-florincan I put one account in Kmail in pause?
16:35.57ovidiu-florinas in, don't sync untill I remove it from pause
16:35.59ovidiu-florin?
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16:37.25rdieterovidiu-florin: i believe so
16:37.37rdietermark it offline
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16:37.41ovidiu-florinhow?
16:38.05cb400for "exclude" it from "check for new mail"
16:39.15ovidiu-florinagain, how?
16:39.19ovidiu-florinwhere is that setting?
16:39.46cb400fgo to the account settings -> click "fetching configuration" -> uncheck "include in check for mail"
16:39.58cb400f(translating backwards from DA here)
16:40.56ovidiu-florinwhere is accoutn settings?
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16:41.42cb400fSettings -> Configure  KMail -> Accounts -> Retrieval Options
16:42.07cb400fhttp://img2.tuicool.com/NRziuq.png
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16:43.12ovidiu-florinthat just removes it from the check mail button
16:43.28ovidiu-florinbut it doesn't disable the account
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16:45.26cb400fwhat do you want to achieve by "disabling" it, other than not fetching the mail?
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18:05.44pedahzurSo, I have a console-based application that wants me to use alt-KEY sequences. But Konsole traps those. What is the best way to send alt-KEY sequences though Konsole?
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18:08.42jordanmpedahzur: traps which? Alt-<foo> is heavily used by GNU readline, which would make konsole pretty useless if it trapped them all
18:10.19pedahzurjordanm: The app wants Alt-D, among others.
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18:11.04jordanmpedahzur: Alt-D is delete word forward in (default) readline and emacs
18:11.07jordanmand it works for me
18:11.20pedahzurjordanm: Hmm...didn't seem to register.
18:11.26jordanmconsole Version 2.8.4
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18:13.15pedahzurKonsole 2.10.5
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18:13.59pedahzurjordanm: Thanks. I'll keep at it.
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18:15.40jordanmpedahzur: Esc-D should produce the same thing
18:15.48pedahzurjordanm: OK, thanks.
18:15.57jordanmthey are both the "meta" key in the terminal
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19:29.12DudalusIs there a way to attach an application to the tray ? For example Quassel always close (but I would prefer minimize to tray so I don't have the program tab )
19:29.19Dudalus*s
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19:30.24cb400fmaybe 'kstart --tosystray quassel' works
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19:33.37Dudaluscb400f:  hmm not really
19:34.46Dudalusbut now I have more space (programs are not grouped) :p
19:35.20cb400fmaybe --iconify workz better
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19:38.39thiagoDudalus: applications that can be in the systray always minimise to the systray if you close their window
19:38.55thiagothey don't quit unless you use Ctrl+Q, File > Quit, or select Quit from the systray menu
19:39.32thiagoand by "applications", I mean "applications following the KDE HIG"
19:39.32Dudalusthiago: You mean a normal KApplication ? Qtrl+Q is an indicator for such an application ?
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21:16.39killownPLEASE!!!! why I can't set my default sound card, when I set the right sound card on the system configuration and apply it, after re-open the system configuration the settings is not saved
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21:18.17killownin kmix, every time I restart the session it needs that I set up the right default channel again
21:18.23killownthat's pretty annoying, anyone help me?
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21:27.03killownanyone help me? my kmix is not saving the default channel
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21:29.14wgoslingkillown: do you use Arch?
21:29.19killownwgosling, yes
21:29.25wgoslingok
21:29.27killownI did kmixctrl -s
21:29.58killownI will restart the session and check if it's saved now
21:30.02wgoslingArch's KDE packages miss a dependency needed for kmixctrl -s to to work.
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21:34.42wgoslingkillown: I'm pretty sure the missing package is call alsa-utils
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21:35.04killownwgosling, let me check it out
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21:35.28killownextra/alsa-utils 1.0.27.2-1 [instalado]
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21:36.16wgoslingcrap
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21:37.09wgoslingI know there is some dependency related to alsa that probably should be installed but isn't
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21:38.57killownwgosling, thank you anyway, I will try to fix it later!
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22:52.36shevyis it possible to compile anything of kde with qt 5.1.0 ?
22:53.09wgoslingshevy: You should probably ask in #kde-devel
22:53.36shevyok
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