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| 00:17.02 | weirdtunguska | I'm trying to execute a script before I run kate - or start the desktop - sourcing some variables - I want to compile fortran code from inside Kate using ifort compiler. Kate cannot find ifort, even if I can find it in a terminal. |
| 00:17.24 | weirdtunguska | How can I source something before starting kate? |
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| 00:21.59 | rdieter | weirdtunguska: if you want it in your session, just put a shell fragment @ `kde4-config --localprefix`/env/foo.sh |
| 00:22.20 | rdieter | ie, anything in there matching *.sh will get source'd |
| 00:22.46 | rdieter | source'd at login |
| 00:22.52 | rdieter | see startkde script for details |
| 00:23.25 | weirdtunguska | roger. put it on .kde/env/intel.sh and +x on it. let's try. |
| 00:23.38 | rdieter | +x not required, but doesn't hurt either |
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| 00:31.57 | weirdtunguska | didn't work. |
| 00:32.05 | weirdtunguska | can't find ifort from inside kate. |
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| 00:32.43 | rdieter | weirdtunguska: what's in your ~/.kde/env/intel.sh ? |
| 00:32.46 | weirdtunguska | http://pastebin.com/RP81cNHm |
| 00:32.50 | rdieter | and you did logout/login ? |
| 00:32.53 | weirdtunguska | yep |
| 00:32.58 | weirdtunguska | logout/login |
| 00:33.11 | weirdtunguska | this script works with my bash sessions from inside a terminal |
| 00:33.17 | weirdtunguska | I can find ifort and icpc |
| 00:33.22 | weirdtunguska | but not from kate |
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| 00:33.45 | weirdtunguska | it works with gfortran |
| 00:33.45 | rdieter | weirdtunguska: strange, if you look @ /usr/bin/startkde, you can see that this script should get source'd |
| 00:33.50 | weirdtunguska | I know |
| 00:33.57 | weirdtunguska | but it is not being sourced |
| 00:35.01 | rdieter | does that all the time. :( |
| 00:35.19 | weirdtunguska | or at least has not found the compiler... I don't want to go back to eclipse :-/ |
| 00:36.13 | weirdtunguska | Any ideas? |
| 00:36.18 | rdieter | weirdtunguska: just to make sure, your startkde contains something like this snippet? http://pastebin.kde.org/682484/ |
| 00:37.04 | weirdtunguska | yep |
| 00:37.06 | weirdtunguska | it's there |
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| 00:37.11 | rdieter | you could also put something like: echo "script ran ok" >> $HOME/script-test.log |
| 00:37.13 | weirdtunguska | kde 4.10, ubuntu 12.10 |
| 00:37.20 | rdieter | into intel.sh to verify it actually runs |
| 00:37.22 | weirdtunguska | for sure. gonna test |
| 00:38.25 | rdieter | and maybe put at the end: env >> $HOME/script-test.log |
| 00:38.32 | rdieter | do dump the value of the environment set |
| 00:38.35 | rdieter | to dump... |
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| 00:39.47 | weirdtunguska | yep, it executed, sourced ok |
| 00:39.59 | weirdtunguska | but kate still can't find ifort |
| 00:40.06 | weirdtunguska | I'm using the new build plugin |
| 00:40.55 | weirdtunguska | it uses the correct compilation line |
| 00:41.05 | weirdtunguska | but make complains that the compiler was not found |
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| 00:43.40 | weirdtunguska | should I report a bug? |
| 00:44.34 | rdieter | one more test |
| 00:44.52 | rdieter | you said the environment gets set correctly in your bash session? |
| 00:45.05 | rdieter | so, try running kate from that session, does that work |
| 00:45.07 | rdieter | ? |
| 00:45.59 | rdieter | weirdtunguska: one possibility is that new kate build plugin isn't inheriting the environment properly, ^^ test above should confirm that |
| 00:46.37 | weirdtunguska | yup, if I start Kate from the terminal it can find the variables correctly, ifort and everything. |
| 00:47.12 | rdieter | that's weird |
| 00:47.26 | weirdtunguska | I know, right? |
| 00:47.32 | weirdtunguska | so what now? |
| 00:47.49 | rdieter | not sure where the fail is |
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| 00:48.57 | weirdtunguska | can I help? |
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| 01:58.50 | shauder_desktop | Does anyone know how to get the panel to be max width everytime no matter the resolution?? I tried adding to this file, $APPDATA/plasma-desktop/init/, this code, http://paste.kde.org/682574/, but it did not work |
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| 02:02.55 | shauder_desktop | I meant file $APPDATA/plasma-desktop/init/00-Desktop-Config.js |
| 02:06.24 | shauder_desktop | Also this is for KDE on BackTrack5RC3 |
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| 02:07.35 | cmr | I've never seen the panel *not* take up max width |
| 02:08.02 | DaZ | shauder_desktop: doesn't init start only when you create a new environment? :v |
| 02:08.07 | DaZ | also what he said. |
| 02:08.38 | shauder_desktop | This is for a LiveCD |
| 02:08.45 | shauder_desktop | So it would be a new env everytime? |
| 02:08.59 | shauder_desktop | And in the backtrack5rc3 live cd by default it takes up like 50% |
| 02:09.10 | DaZ | theretically |
| 02:09.30 | DaZ | hum, then something in the backtrack config does that :v |
| 02:11.57 | shauder | OK thanks :) |
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| 02:35.16 | vincentS | i cant seem to find a theme or setting where my network from the systemtray is not transparent. it is unreadable this way i tried alt+F3 but don't find the right setting. can anyone point me where |
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| 02:36.22 | DaZ | network from the systray, wat? >: |
| 02:36.35 | DaZ | do you mean the networkmanager plasmoid |
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| 02:37.40 | vincentS | it's in the taskbar where you can select ur wifi i'm not that familiar with the naming of the apps yet |
| 02:38.08 | vincentS | one side says interfaces the other connections :D |
| 02:39.15 | Sho_ | take a screenshot |
| 02:39.34 | cmr | vincentS: you'd need to change your plasma theme to change that, afaik |
| 02:40.11 | vincentS | i tried to turn off all display stuff with shift+alt+F12 but it didn;t change it |
| 02:40.15 | DaZ | yup, screenshot would be good |
| 02:40.23 | vincentS | where to post the ss |
| 02:40.34 | Sho_ | www.wstaw.org |
| 02:42.07 | vincentS | do i want prynatwa selected :S |
| 02:42.19 | vincentS | prywatna* |
| 02:42.20 | cmr | imgur.com is as good a place as any |
| 02:42.29 | DaZ | vincentS: it just makes your url less guessable. |
| 02:42.43 | vincentS | this should be it http://wstaw.org/w/1IwR/ |
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| 02:43.04 | DaZ | and this is hard to read :v |
| 02:43.06 | DaZ | ok. |
| 02:43.36 | vincentS | well no this is the best i can get |
| 02:43.43 | DaZ | vincentS: aya doesn't have any transparencies, iirc |
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| 02:46.00 | vincentS | ok one more this is how it is from install http://wstaw.org/w/1IwS/ |
| 02:46.18 | vincentS | i mean thats really useless or maybe its just ubuntu |
| 02:46.20 | cmr | that doesn't look right at all |
| 02:46.28 | cmr | I've never seen it like that |
| 02:46.37 | DaZ | i can see what's wrong |
| 02:46.43 | vincentS | really weird it does that with many themes |
| 02:46.59 | DaZ | it's in moonspeak ;_; |
| 02:47.03 | Sho_ | try deleting ~/.kde/cache-<hostname>/*.kcache |
| 02:47.17 | vincentS | i have tried opengl and the other i cant remember |
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| 02:47.37 | vincentS | let me open terminal 1sec |
| 02:47.58 | Sho_ | you'll need to relogin after |
| 02:48.50 | vincentS | brb then |
| 02:49.09 | piezoid | hi |
| 02:49.14 | piezoid | is it posible with akonadi to synchronize events *between* calendars ? |
| 02:49.30 | Sho_ | that's above my akonadi knowledge i'm afraid .. |
| 02:49.32 | DaZ | as in on many machines? :v |
| 02:49.53 | DaZ | if so, lolnoep. |
| 02:50.17 | piezoid | I want to unify my gmail account with my owncloud instance... |
| 02:51.53 | piezoid | maybe I should give a try to opensync |
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| 02:53.53 | Sho_ | vincentS: any luck? |
| 02:53.54 | vincentS | ahh yes deleting that seems to have solved it |
| 02:54.01 | vincentS | very good |
| 02:54.01 | Sho_ | thought so, good |
| 02:54.07 | vincentS | another thing |
| 02:54.14 | Sho_ | no idea why it broke in the first place, tho |
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| 02:56.09 | vincentS | when kde launches it dicides to launch some file browser for me in my home dir but its incomplete like missing icons |
| 02:56.11 | vincentS | http://wstaw.org/w/1IwT/ |
| 02:57.03 | vincentS | no i don't need the icons fixed i just don't want it to start up it wassent running when i logged off |
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| 02:57.32 | Sho_ | vincentS: That's not even a KDE app, dunno where that is coming from |
| 02:58.16 | vincentS | i use dolphin browser for my files it does look like that |
| 02:58.32 | Sho_ | no, that is not dolphin |
| 02:58.47 | Sho_ | i think that's nautilus, gnome's file manager |
| 02:58.55 | Sho_ | vincentS: check system settings -> startup -> autostart and system settings -> startup -> session management |
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| 03:00.32 | vincentS | whats command runner ( krunner ) |
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| 03:01.32 | DaZ | vincentS: it's that alt+f2 thingie |
| 03:01.48 | vincentS | ohh |
| 03:02.07 | vincentS | i used it once now i know how to get it :) |
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| 03:17.42 | Vash63 | So, my Amarok keeps setting ~ to be the collection when I have it manually set to ~/music |
| 03:18.37 | Vash63 | Seems to happen randomly when rebooting. Restarting it a few times didn't replicate it but rebooting just now did. This is a major issue as my home dir has symlinks to networked drives and very slow HDDs.... |
| 03:26.06 | vincentS | hmm i can't seem to find anything about the start up but just logged in on another user and had the same problem with the transparancy but uses the netbook-desktop and deleting the files did not had the desired effect |
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| 04:19.45 | vincentS | Sho_, Thanks |
| 04:19.54 | vincentS | DaZ, Thanks |
| 04:19.57 | Sho_ | happy to help |
| 04:20.13 | vincentS | good night all |
| 04:20.18 | Sho_ | sleep tight |
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| 04:39.23 | Foxhoundz | Is there any way to make the window control on KDE 4+ bigger? |
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| 04:46.09 | Sho_ | Foxhoundz: do you mean the buttons? |
| 04:46.42 | Sho_ | Foxhoundz: System Settings -> Workspace appearance -> Window Decorations -> Configure Decoration -> Button size |
| 04:46.50 | Foxhoundz | yes |
| 04:48.25 | Sho_ | Foxhoundz: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/27/plasma-desktopOu1129.png is the max size |
| 04:49.08 | DaZ | who even uses those ;_; |
| 04:49.23 | Sho_ | i do |
| 04:50.23 | Foxhoundz | DaZ: What do you mean? |
| 04:51.01 | Sho_ | he's probably a fancy keyboard combo jockey |
| 04:51.04 | DaZ | dunno, i just either doubleclick the titlebar/taskbar/hit the alt+f4 to do that stuff :c |
| 04:51.05 | Sho_ | i like to click things |
| 04:51.05 | DaZ | noep |
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| 04:52.34 | Foxhoundz | sigh |
| 04:53.56 | Sho_ | Foxhoundz: why the sigh? |
| 04:54.17 | Foxhoundz | This is my first time on Linux in a few years |
| 04:54.21 | Foxhoundz | I use Windows 7 at home |
| 04:54.23 | Foxhoundz | and at work |
| 04:54.26 | Foxhoundz | it's so beautiful |
| 04:54.37 | Foxhoundz | I would switch now if I didn't get hooked on Steam |
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| 04:54.50 | Sho_ | Foxhoundz: hey, we got Steam on Linux now :-) |
| 04:56.18 | Foxhoundz | So they tell me |
| 04:56.36 | Sho_ | for a moment there i thought you were calling Win7 beautiful and wa slowly backing away |
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| 04:56.49 | Sho_ | *was |
| 04:57.39 | Foxhoundz | It is. |
| 04:58.01 | Foxhoundz | From the eyecandy standpoint, I don't think I have seen a window manager on par with KDE |
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| 05:00.13 | Sho_ | Foxhoundz: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/27/plasma-desktopAJ1129.png |
| 05:00.57 | DaZ | i'd add you on steam if i wasn't too lazy to install it ;_; |
| 05:01.14 | Sho_ | DaZ: that prolly works thru the website as well |
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| 05:06.13 | DaZ | most of the window managers look nice nowadays |
| 05:06.19 | DaZ | except the windows one, obviously :c |
| 05:08.59 | Foxhoundz | I installed a superkaramba theme |
| 05:09.04 | Foxhoundz | how do I activate it? |
| 05:09.22 | DaZ | isn't superkaramba long dead? :v |
| 05:09.39 | Foxhoundz | well.. |
| 05:09.42 | Foxhoundz | you tell me |
| 05:09.53 | DaZ | i haven't seen it since kde3. |
| 05:09.58 | Sho_ | yeah, superkaramba is kde 3 stuff |
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| 05:10.09 | Sho_ | plasma still supports it in theory, but no idea how well that works |
| 05:10.10 | Foxhoundz | So...how are themes installed now? |
| 05:10.23 | Foxhoundz | I want to change the look of the taskbar |
| 05:10.23 | Foxhoundz | or panel |
| 05:10.27 | Foxhoundz | or whatever you kids call it |
| 05:10.28 | DaZ | themes or widgets or what |
| 05:10.37 | Foxhoundz | themes, DaZ |
| 05:10.56 | Sho_ | that's got nothing to do with superkaramba really .. |
| 05:11.10 | Sho_ | Foxhoundz: system settings -> workspace appearance -> workspace theme -> get new themes |
| 05:11.25 | Sho_ | sorry, desktop theme rather |
| 05:11.34 | DaZ | hotnewstuff4 /usr/share/config/plasma-themes.knsrc |
| 05:11.37 | DaZ | trololo :v |
| 05:12.04 | Sho_ | man, back when I was young we only had ":)" and ":(" and we liked it |
| 05:12.08 | Sho_ | damn the youth and their odd emoticons |
| 05:12.13 | Sho_ | swings cane |
| 05:12.35 | Foxhoundz | Sho_: I wanted to use the theme you used in that screenshot |
| 05:12.48 | Sho_ | Foxhound: That's the default theme, Air |
| 05:13.04 | Sho_ | if it looks different for you that's probably because you're not on 4.10 yet |
| 05:13.07 | Sho_ | it got a facelift in 4.10 |
| 05:13.24 | DaZ | caledonia is pretty cool : |
| 05:13.28 | Foxhoundz | ahh |
| 05:13.36 | Foxhoundz | This is a fresh install of Linux Mint KDE 14 |
| 05:13.39 | Foxhoundz | with no updates yet |
| 05:13.43 | Foxhoundz | still configuring stuff |
| 05:14.13 | Sho_ | on fedora here with the kde team repo, fresh bits ftw |
| 05:14.32 | Foxhoundz | explains why I don't see "Workspace Theme" menu options in the workspace appearance section |
| 05:14.36 | Foxhoundz | I |
| 05:14.43 | Foxhoundz | I'll run the updates and come back |
| 05:15.44 | Sho_ | sorry, it's called Desktop Theme |
| 05:15.50 | Sho_ | i corrected myself earlier :) |
| 05:16.49 | Foxhoundz | GPG error when updating |
| 05:17.26 | Sho_ | never used Mint |
| 05:17.31 | Sho_ | well, occassionally a breath mint |
| 05:17.40 | Sho_ | and after eight is yummy .. mm |
| 05:19.36 | Foxhoundz | I might also need to change the taskbar font color and size |
| 05:19.43 | Foxhoundz | the text on the items fade into the transparent taskbar |
| 05:19.47 | Foxhoundz | makes it difficult to read |
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| 06:19.54 | lautb1ru | my kde u blog got crash when i try login to my identi.ca account, anyone can help ? |
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| 07:36.48 | MaximB | because for some reason it won't offer me vlc at the emblamed video |
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| 10:47.42 | piesko | hi. i've recently read that usually a plasma them is made by 3 subthemes, one for no-composite, one for composite and one for composite+blur |
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| 10:48.24 | piesko | since i've updated to kde 4.10 half of times i boot the environment plasma selects the composite (without blut) version of his theme |
| 10:48.33 | piesko | is there a way to fix this? |
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| 10:55.11 | od6 | hello. i just installed kde on my gentoo system. |
| 10:55.32 | od6 | what kind of program do kde users use for network management? |
| 10:55.38 | od6 | connections wifi etc. |
| 10:55.50 | od6 | under gnome i used networkmanager |
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| 10:56.43 | od6 | it seems there's a networkmanager version for kde too, but that's strange since networkmanager seems to be a gnome project |
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| 10:59.02 | tsimpson | networkmanager is a freedesktop.org thing, built on DBus |
| 10:59.40 | od6 | http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/ |
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| 11:00.01 | od6 | http://freedesktop.org/wiki/NetworkManager redirects to gnome.org |
| 11:00.44 | tsimpson | just because it started in gnome doesn't mean it's just a gnome project |
| 11:02.17 | od6 | tsimpson: so there are no gnome-dependencies if I run a kde system with networkmanager? |
| 11:03.27 | od6 | this is because i'd like to run either one or the other |
| 11:03.34 | od6 | not both on my machine |
| 11:04.04 | tsimpson | no |
| 11:04.24 | od6 | ok thank you tsimpson |
| 11:04.31 | tsimpson | unless you count glib, but you will have that anyway |
| 11:05.37 | od6 | ok i'm going to try networkmanager for kde. need to disconnect sorry |
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| 11:36.53 | dahlia | anyone know what I need to install for kde for windows to be able to change themes? I just want konversation but I need a different theme because my eyes cant see black text on white window |
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| 11:37.18 | Sho_ | those color settings are inside konversation itself |
| 11:37.36 | dahlia | for the entire application? |
| 11:38.27 | DaZ | for the text windows |
| 11:38.32 | DaZ | the rest uses windows theme :v |
| 11:38.41 | DaZ | iirc. |
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| 11:39.37 | dahlia | oh so I cant make it different then other normal windows windows? |
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| 11:41.29 | Sho_ | dahlia: you can, via the System Settings application |
| 11:42.00 | dahlia | ah ok, know what it's called in the installer? |
| 11:42.19 | Sho_ | probably in the kde-baseapps package ... or kde-workspace .. |
| 11:42.46 | dahlia | ty I tried workspace but I cant find it there, I'll try baseapps |
| 11:44.22 | DaZ | just use weechat :v |
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| 12:08.46 | dahlia | looks like I can change the fonts from the system settings dialog but the colors go back to windows colors |
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| 13:41.22 | BluesKaj | hey folks |
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| 13:50.23 | ovidiu-florin | hey BluesKaj |
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| 13:53.08 | BluesKaj | hi ovidiu-florin |
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| 14:07.18 | karansac | Hi everyone |
| 14:10.44 | karansac | My window decorations look kind of blur. Here is a screenshot of a window : http://www.nicolasdumas.com/kde.png. I'm running kde 4.10.00 on archlinux. Do you have an idea of what the problem could be please? |
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| 14:17.58 | rdieter | karansac: my first suspicion would be video driver |
| 14:18.20 | rdieter | may be worth toggling desktop effects to see if that helps any |
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| 14:19.25 | karansac | rdieter: Ok. I was affraid it would be a video driver issue. I'll have a look in this direction. Thank you |
| 14:23.24 | Hinterhuber | Hi. I'm having problems with the way konqueror/dolphin handles network files: Kioexec loads the file and saves it back - not respecting the openOffice lock files (in this case) |
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| 14:23.42 | Hinterhuber | Can I somehow map a network drive the way gnome does it? |
| 14:24.30 | Sho_ | Nope, but you could use an office suite that uses KIO, e.g. Calligra |
| 14:24.43 | Hinterhuber | Sho, that is not an option :( |
| 14:25.29 | Sho_ | there is a System Settings module to manage Samba mounts called samba mounter, iirc |
| 14:25.41 | Sho_ | I guess it depends on what network files you're interested in |
| 14:26.49 | Hinterhuber | Sho, do you know in what package this module is? It seems not to be installed by default. |
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| 14:27.40 | Hinterhuber | IAC, I would like to have a possibility for users to map certain samba shares themselves. |
| 14:28.16 | Sho_ | Hinterhuber: I don't even know what distro you use, so I'm afraid not |
| 14:29.21 | Hinterhuber | Sho, sorry: Ubuntu 12.04.2 with kubuntu-desktop |
| 14:30.18 | Hinterhuber | KDE 4.8.5 |
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| 14:38.39 | karansac | Hummm. The thing is that I'm pretty sure that I installed the proper driver |
| 14:39.30 | karansac | However, I had a look in Xorg.0.log and I noticed 3 load failures : vesa, modesetting, and fbdev. |
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| 14:51.04 | rttlesnke | Hi all. I have libjpeg8 and libjpeg-turbo8 both installed. I have to remove libjpeg-turbo8, but I cant remove it directly. I cant remove libjpeg8, as all packages in the system are dependent on that. Any suggestions? |
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| 14:58.16 | anand | Hi...Am unable to remove / change some of the widgets in Screenlocker |
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| 14:59.11 | anand | using KDE 4.10...any help will be appreciated... |
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| 15:31.47 | rdieter | rttlesnke: ask your distro |
| 15:32.45 | rdieter | generally (imho) a distro should use one or the other (libjpeg vs libjpeg-turbo), but resolving your issue is definitely distro-specific, not really relevant to kde |
| 15:36.27 | invariant | How can I run gnome-terminal without it ever crashing my system because of some RGB transparency issue when resizing a window or when creating a window? |
| 15:36.38 | invariant | I think this problem only exists in KDE. |
| 15:36.50 | invariant | I think konsole also creates this problem. |
| 15:38.04 | Sho_ | sounds like a driver bug |
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| 15:38.12 | invariant | I am also not sure how complete games can run which have much more advanced features and something as simple as a terminal emulator kills the system. |
| 15:38.44 | invariant | Sho_, the issues has existed for years. Don't you think it would have been fixed already? |
| 15:39.22 | Sho_ | invariant: Depending on the driver involved it might not have (e.g. nVidia doesn't updat the drivers for older GPUs) |
| 15:39.42 | invariant | Sho_, fglrx is updated monthly. |
| 15:39.58 | invariant | Or rather, was, but now it is about monthly. |
| 15:40.07 | Sho_ | AMD is also world-reknowned for their utter incompetence at writing drivers, however |
| 15:40.29 | Sho_ | Anyway, you could try disabling compositing |
| 15:40.53 | invariant | I don't get why they don't just hire some people which can write drivers. |
| 15:40.59 | invariant | Don't those people exist or something like that? |
| 15:41.12 | invariant | Or do they just really badly want to fail as a company? |
| 15:41.26 | invariant | If Intel has a problem, they just fix it. |
| 15:41.29 | Sho_ | invariant: Actually they did hire competent developers for a while to work on the open source drivers |
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| 15:41.48 | Sho_ | invariant: They claim to be unable to open up fglrx however because of the rights situation |
| 15:41.55 | invariant | Yeah, but those have bad power management. |
| 15:42.05 | Sho_ | And perhaps they can't attract competent talent to work on the Linux implementation of fglrx or don't care to |
| 15:42.11 | invariant | I don't quite care about the rights. |
| 15:42.12 | Sho_ | Howerver, even their Windows drivers are pretty bad |
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| 15:42.43 | invariant | First something needs to work and then we can think about writing an open-source version. |
| 15:43.06 | invariant | If however it takes too long, they will just fail as a company and someone will take over (perhaps this has already happened) |
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| 15:43.45 | invariant | However, I don't know whether it is actually AMDs fault. |
| 15:44.12 | invariant | It crashes in Xorg and then /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 |
| 15:44.21 | invariant | libpixman, etc. |
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| 15:45.00 | invariant | But an assertion fails in their driver code. |
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| 15:45.21 | Blacklite_ | what Distros offer KDE 4.10? |
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| 15:45.25 | invariant | Isn't there like a graphics card on an FPGA? :) |
| 15:45.51 | invariant | Blacklite_, see kde.org |
| 15:46.03 | Blacklite_ | I've looked all over the place |
| 15:46.10 | invariant | Blacklite_, site:kde.org opensuse kubuntu |
| 15:46.22 | invariant | Blacklite_, something like that should find it. |
| 15:46.32 | Sho_ | invariant: Well, it's why Linux users who need advanced 3D tend to buy nVidia, I guess |
| 15:47.53 | invariant | Sho_, the problem with nvidia is that the support stops before the hardware dies. |
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| 15:48.33 | Sho_ | invariant: and that their drivers are closed, but at least they are of acceptable quality for current hardware |
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| 15:49.06 | Blacklite_ | I just want to get KDE 4.10 without any hassle |
| 15:49.23 | Blacklite_ | I'm running slackware 14 if that helps |
| 15:50.00 | invariant | Blacklite_, install Kubuntu 12.04, and install the ppa for the kubuntu updates and do apt-get install kde. |
| 15:50.13 | invariant | Blacklite_, or use opensuse (never used it myself) |
| 15:50.31 | Blacklite_ | i'm behind a blocker, or else i'd have tried that. |
| 15:50.32 | invariant | Blacklite_, doesn't slackware already have it? |
| 15:50.47 | Blacklite_ | slackware-current has it. not slackware 14 |
| 15:50.50 | invariant | Blacklite_, behind a blocker? |
| 15:51.02 | Blacklite_ | I know, it's stupid. |
| 15:51.41 | invariant | Blacklite_, I have no idea what you mean by blocker in this context. |
| 15:52.04 | Blacklite_ | my internet connection blocks a lot of sites |
| 15:52.04 | invariant | Blacklite_, what is blocking you from installing slackware-current? |
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| 15:52.13 | Blacklite_ | nothing. |
| 15:52.35 | invariant | Blacklite_, are you in China or something like that? |
| 15:53.03 | invariant | Blacklite_, you can always setup encrypted connections to the outside world if you try hard enough. |
| 15:53.03 | Blacklite_ | no. but the same principle |
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| 15:53.31 | Blacklite_ | yes, but it's fuckawful annoying |
| 15:53.36 | invariant | Blacklite_, lots of companies have such firewalls, but I have never been unable to work around them. |
| 15:53.53 | Blacklite_ | I usually use a mirror |
| 15:54.06 | Blacklite_ | admins are too stupid to cover ALL the bases. |
| 15:54.17 | invariant | Blacklite_, anyway, this has nothing to do with KDE. |
| 15:54.33 | Blacklite_ | I'd like to get KDE 4.10 |
| 15:54.44 | Blacklite_ | is there a livecd or something? |
| 15:54.50 | invariant | If you need to do this for your work, why don't you just give them a call? |
| 15:55.10 | invariant | Just say that you will call the director next when it doesn't work in 30 minutes. |
| 15:55.12 | Blacklite_ | the thing is, I'm just dicking around. and it's school. |
| 15:55.20 | Blacklite_ | not work |
| 15:55.32 | invariant | So, then either learn how to work around it or stop whining. |
| 15:56.05 | Sho_ | invariant: That's going a bit too far |
| 15:56.11 | Blacklite_ | I could also wait until OpenSUSE 12.3 |
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| 15:56.33 | Blacklite_ | assuming that it will have kde4.10 |
| 15:57.40 | Sho_ | Blacklite_: There are a couple of pre-release livecds with 4.10, like the Kubuntu 13.04 Alpha 2 CD or the Chakra Benz test CD |
| 15:58.07 | Blacklite_ | 32-bit so chakra is a no-go |
| 15:58.10 | invariant | Sho_, he is asking for a pony, but doesn't want to go to the stable. |
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| 15:58.29 | Blacklite_ | i'm asking for an apple, but cannot reach the tree. |
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| 15:59.12 | invariant | Blacklite_, just forward your traffic over ssh. |
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| 15:59.29 | Blacklite_ | that's brilliant. |
| 15:59.30 | invariant | Blacklite_, if you do it over port 443 there is nothing they can do about it. |
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| 16:00.37 | invariant | All "limited" services can be converted into full internet services like that. |
| 16:00.53 | invariant | You only need one "full service" machine to make it work. |
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| 18:13.00 | Strav` | He. I'm trying out KDE 4.10 (ubuntu 12.10) on my laptop and I'm kinda worried ... whenever I plug in the vga cable, the display config manager seems to be incapable to automatically redirect my output to the screen's native resolution. If I manually specify to disable my laptop screen and set the desktop lcd to some resolution and hit: save as default, it only suffice to log out and log back in for this setting to be completely ignored |
| 18:13.01 | Strav` | (and of course, the resolution is wrong). What worries me though, is that I had that same cr*ppy behavior with KDE something like 5 years ago while gnome has been handling external displays flawlessly for a long while. Is there something fundamental I'm missing? |
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| 18:16.25 | Strav` | Btw, I've stumbled on this project: http://www.progdan.cz/2012/09/display-management-in-kde/ that seems to aim to do the right thing but I cannot find any actual implementation. Is this a conspiracy of some kind? |
| 18:17.42 | Inkane | Strav`: You might want to look for kscreen |
| 18:18.09 | Inkane | http://www.afiestas.org/kscreen-0-1-alpha-released/ |
| 18:18.48 | Strav` | alpha? |
| 18:19.01 | Inkane | Strav`: it already runs fine here |
| 18:20.06 | kaasinees | what is kscreen |
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| 18:21.13 | Strav` | I don't want to be annoying but isn't there a sustained developement effort behind KDE? (I actually thought so with those version numbers constantly increasing and yet, this kind of major bug, that's been keeping me from using KDE for years litterally ... has only been fixed by a third party plugin in alpha stage???) |
| 18:22.09 | kaasinees | Strav`: welcome to the linux world |
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| 18:23.07 | Strav` | Inkane: btw, thanks for the link! It really looks like the solution to my problem. |
| 18:23.21 | Inkane | you're welcome |
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| 18:26.42 | fathom_ | hi |
| 18:27.07 | ovidiu-florin | hello fathom_ |
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| 18:27.55 | fathom_ | I have kde 4.10 and for some reason the fingerprint manager is working (detects upek sensor and it is able to enroll), but neither kdm nor kscreensaver does anything |
| 18:28.04 | Strav` | kaasinees: there are very well organized developement efforts in the FOSS community, some that even produce quality code - this specific issue only strikes me as very odd coming from the KDE project. |
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| 18:28.15 | fathom_ | so basically the thing I can't use it is to login/open kwallet |
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| 18:31.02 | kaasinees | Strav`: i know |
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| 18:37.45 | Strav` | see ya all, and thanks again for kscreen. |
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| 18:43.05 | roasted | hello! |
| 18:43.26 | roasted | Pretty sure I just ran into a bug, but I'm not entirely sure if there's a configurable option I'm not seeing to bypass what I'm running into. |
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| 18:44.03 | Teyras | Hi, I've noticed a pretty big slowdown of the desktop grid and present windows effects after updating mesa and intel-dri on my laptop with an intel hd graphics 4000 graphics card... Is there anything I can do about it? |
| 18:44.06 | roasted | I have a KDE panel that resembles Unity on the left side. If I maximize windows, it acknowledges the panel and doesn't go above/below it. If I add a 2nd monitor on the right, works fine. If I put a 2nd monitor on the left, then windows go under the panel if they're maximized. |
| 18:44.47 | karansac | Hi everyone. I'm just coming back to share the solution I found for the problem I had earlier in the afternoon in case you are interested |
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| 18:46.12 | wyattg | roasted: that definitely sounds like a bug. |
| 18:46.31 | karansac | Parts of kde were blur, especially window decoration as on this screenshot : http://www.nicolasdumas.com/kde.png. I solved it by using Xrender as a "composing type" in desktop effects |
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| 18:47.26 | rdieter | karansac: xrender is indeed a good fallback/workaround when opengl fails or doesn't work well |
| 18:47.32 | roasted | wyattg: when I get back to my desk I'll give it another shot just to confirm I can repeat it after a reboot etc. |
| 18:47.50 | karansac | :-) |
| 18:47.52 | roasted | wyattg: it's a little disheartening, as I have 3 offices and my monitor arrangement is dictated upon my desk layout, so it varies. Meh. |
| 18:49.20 | wyattg | roasted: i can actually reproduce it too. |
| 18:49.52 | roasted | wyattg: oh wow, really? |
| 18:50.20 | roasted | When is 4.11 to be released? |
| 18:50.38 | roasted | 4.10 is gorgeous but it has enough little quirks that I find it hard to use full time. I keep going back to my Unity install. :/ |
| 18:50.40 | wyattg | August, iirc |
| 18:50.49 | roasted | well that's a bummer. |
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| 18:51.01 | roasted | but in the good name of OSS I'll report this bug when I get back to my desk :D |
| 18:51.10 | wyattg | thanks |
| 18:51.23 | rdieter | roasted: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.11_Release_Schedule |
| 18:51.36 | roasted | hearing someone else duplicate it is reassuring that it's not just my laptop being wonky |
| 18:51.56 | roasted | rdieter: nice, thanks for that |
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| 19:01.31 | Eliatrope | where has KHTML/WebKit switch gone in Konqueror 4.10? |
| 19:01.39 | Eliatrope | is it WebKit-only now? |
| 19:01.51 | Eliatrope | I don't see the option to switch anymore |
| 19:01.55 | roasted | wyattg: do you have an opinion on what category that would fall under? I'm having trouble deciding and I don't want ot create more work for devs to re-assign it |
| 19:02.35 | wyattg | I would guess kde-workspace |
| 19:03.07 | roasted | wyattg: thanks. |
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| 19:07.51 | rdieter | Eliatrope: kwebkitpart provides the webkit view, khtml should always be available |
| 19:08.30 | rdieter | Eliatrope: View->View Mode menu should be available if > 1 are installed |
| 19:08.57 | Eliatrope | rdieter, I have kwebkitpart installed, but there's no "View Mode" |
| 19:09.21 | Eliatrope | it was there before :) |
| 19:09.57 | rdieter | Eliatrope: how about in konq menu Settings->configure konqueror, General section, do you have a "Default web browser engine" listed there? |
| 19:10.50 | Eliatrope | rdieter, yes, and it's set to WebKit by default |
| 19:10.51 | Eliatrope | KHTML's also present |
| 19:10.53 | Eliatrope | thanks |
| 19:11.15 | rdieter | not sure why View->View mode isn't showing for you though... that's odd |
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| 19:12.06 | Eliatrope | it magically appeared now |
| 19:12.23 | Eliatrope | once I messed with the combobox in Settings |
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| 19:14.28 | rdieter | blames gremlins |
| 19:14.29 | Eliatrope | it has File -> "Open with Chromium" menu entry, that's funny :) |
| 19:14.34 | Eliatrope | and open with calibre, Firefox and other apps |
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| 20:13.09 | AndrzejL | can anyone recommend a good kde network games? something like battle ships - the naval game |
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| 20:36.24 | AndrzejL | bovo and kfourinline sounds like fun ;) |
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| 20:44.28 | l0ll0lll | hi all. Can konsole use normal pc buzzer to beep? I'm looking into "Configure Notifications", but don't see anything like 'emit a beep'... |
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| 20:48.34 | AndrzejL | I think You can set it up in kcc aka systemsettings |
| 20:48.47 | AndrzejL | You can choose the system bell as a notifier |
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| 20:50.59 | l0ll0lll | hmm, tried "Use system bell" in Accessibility, but it doens't seem to influence konsole |
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| 20:53.41 | AndrzejL | Hmmm then I am out of ideas |
| 20:53.43 | AndrzejL | sorry :) |
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| 21:31.54 | invariant | If I set the window height of firefox to the resolution of my screen, I miss some pixels on the bottom of my screen. When I maximize it, I don't miss such pixels. |
| 21:32.00 | invariant | Where are the missing pixels going? |
| 21:32.17 | invariant | I am using wmctrl. |
| 21:32.46 | invariant | I would expect that the window is the whole thing not that it has some extra stuff outside of it still. |
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| 21:33.56 | l0ll0lll | invariant: I guess you're setting the size of window itself, not window+decorations |
| 21:34.28 | invariant | l0ll0lll, indeed, that's the only logical Vulcan explanation. |
| 21:34.46 | invariant | l0ll0lll, however, I don't see why something like that would even exist. |
| 21:34.57 | BogdanR | Hi. I have KDE 4.10 and I am using svg wallpapers with it. |
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| 21:35.25 | invariant | l0ll0lll, how can I control what I want to control, which is essentially just getting the same behaviour as maximize, without using maximize? |
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| 21:36.48 | BogdanR | I would like to pack this wallpapers for distros but I don't know how to make KDE show the thumbnail in the Desktop Settings window |
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| 21:37.36 | l0ll0lll | invariant: xdotool might be of some use |
| 21:37.51 | invariant | l0ll0lll, isn't that just a broken version of wmctrl? |
| 21:38.03 | invariant | l0ll0lll, at least, that's how I see it. |
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| 21:38.15 | l0ll0lll | invariant: no, i think it's intended - this is the way windows and decorations are represented in x11 |
| 21:38.36 | invariant | l0ll0lll, how do I obtain the heigh of the decorations then? |
| 21:38.40 | invariant | height* |
| 21:39.22 | l0ll0lll | if you're using kwin with default settings, it'll have 25px height of title and 3px height of bottom border |
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| 21:41.31 | invariant | l0ll0lll, and if I am not using default settings? (that is, I am looking for a command/API which computes it). |
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| 21:44.05 | l0ll0lll | invariant: xprop tells _NET_FRAME_EXTENTS |
| 21:44.10 | l0ll0lll | $ xprop -id 75497663 |head -n 1 |
| 21:44.10 | l0ll0lll | _NET_FRAME_EXTENTS(CARDINAL) = 4, 4, 23, 4 |
| 21:44.22 | l0ll0lll | looks like what you need |
| 21:44.38 | invariant | l0ll0lll, thanks |
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| 21:46.42 | l0ll0lll | in fact, this command without grep should work "xprop -id $WIN_ID _NET_FRAME_EXTENTS" |
| 21:46.42 | invariant | It's even standardized! Boy oh Boy! |
| 21:47.31 | invariant | I suppose this is why Wayland is getting developed now. |
| 21:47.36 | invariant | It has become too easy to use X. |
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| 22:36.22 | shakaponk | hello guyz, i just connected a second display to my debian wheezy with kde, but it does not recognize it. do i miss something? |
| 22:37.26 | Phr33d0m | you miss a good distro |
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| 22:39.41 | shakaponk | Phr33d0m: that's not productive :-) |
| 22:41.23 | Phr33d0m | then check your Xorg.0.log and see if your screen gets detected |
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