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| 00:11.30 | AciD` | I'm not sure about 4.9.5, but dolphin struggles in 4.10 when asked to move 3000+ very small files from one dir to another (when a simple mv cmd takes 0m0.195s) |
| 00:12.01 | AciD` | and when I say struggles, I mean between 5 to 10 minutes |
| 00:12.34 | Kitzu | do you have enough memory left? |
| 00:12.54 | AciD` | :/ |
| 00:12.54 | AciD` | sucks |
| 00:13.10 | Kitzu | maybe it has to swap, if it fills up the memory during the moving process |
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| 00:15.04 | AciD` | Kitzu > that could be it I have 165 free and 1319 in buffers/cache |
| 00:15.10 | AciD` | on 5866 |
| 00:15.39 | AciD` | but then again, mv does that very quickly without much memory so why should dolphin ? |
| 00:15.45 | Kitzu | it should |
| 00:16.57 | Kitzu | i can't tell why, but i also had this problem on older systems |
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| 00:43.54 | twois10 | ever since upgrading to KDE 4.10 I've been getting a lot of this: http://paste.opensuse.org/view/raw/f617b227 kmix hanging |
| 00:44.14 | twois10 | I talked about this yesterday it seems no one else was having the same issue |
| 00:44.40 | twois10 | it sits there is use lots of cpu |
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| 00:49.45 | twois10 | when kmix crashes (freezes), my multimedia keys also stop functioning. play, >> << etc, |
| 00:50.58 | thiago | twois10: start kmix again |
| 00:51.21 | twois10 | it didnt really crash, i should have used froze |
| 00:51.41 | twois10 | but I can kill it then restart it then it is fine until it freezes again |
| 00:52.00 | twois10 | right now it is using one of my cpu core at 100% |
| 00:52.13 | chronos | Hello, how can I suggest to KDE Devs to add this kind of utility in next kde releases? https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/433/disper-displays/ |
| 00:53.22 | danharibo | chronos: have you tried Krandrtray? |
| 00:53.39 | FLHerne | chronos: Try looking up KScreen, it's supposed to do that sort of stuff eventually |
| 00:53.50 | chronos | not, but since I have a nvidia card dont know if works |
| 00:54.26 | danharibo | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5619257/krart.png |
| 00:54.28 | danharibo | ah right |
| 00:54.57 | danharibo | apparently 302 added xrandr 1.2/.3 |
| 00:56.03 | twois10 | actually, it looks like the multimedia key are now working except the volume control |
| 00:56.10 | twois10 | I wonder what is causing it |
| 00:57.29 | chronos | guys know some ppa for kscreen? |
| 00:58.53 | twois10 | Ok i think there is a memory leak somewhere |
| 00:59.09 | twois10 | while amarok was playing the audio just died |
| 01:01.16 | twois10 | hopefully someone else will experience the same issue and it can give a better explanation to get it resolved |
| 01:02.59 | chronos | danharibo, and kranrtray does not extends |
| 01:04.01 | danharibo | chronos: that would be a nice feature, Multiscreen is something KDE seems to suffer in a bit |
| 01:04.19 | chronos | ya, with disper I just do: disper -et left |
| 01:04.23 | danharibo | If I unplug the monitor whilst the laptop is in sleep, it's a chore to get a screen back. |
| 01:04.26 | chronos | or disper -et right |
| 01:04.36 | chronos | ya, it is |
| 01:04.56 | chronos | it is very better in 4.9 and 4.10 but yet... not works magically for me with nvidia card |
| 01:04.58 | danharibo | *any windows on the screen |
| 01:05.08 | chronos | MS Windows do it so well hehe |
| 01:05.28 | danharibo | Well I don't think so, xrandr works for me with intel hw |
| 01:05.44 | danharibo | and I can set different wallpapers without a $10 program |
| 01:07.19 | chronos | hm in windows 8 at least, too |
| 01:08.23 | chronos | but, what I'm saying is... I never saw in *linux* (unity, gnome or kde) it store configurations of monitors for each monitor you plug your note on |
| 01:08.37 | chronos | this would be nice to have |
| 01:09.05 | danharibo | that would be cool |
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| 01:18.50 | chronos | FLHerne: do u know if kscreen has a icon to tray? |
| 01:19.29 | FLHerne | I don't know, I don't think it's at all near to being finished yet |
| 01:19.54 | FLHerne | I suggested more as an example that the idea was being looked at than as a suggestion for what to use ;-) |
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| 01:21.23 | chronos | FLHerne: I like kscreen, will test with more monitor setups :) |
| 01:22.01 | chronos | it just works |
| 01:22.22 | FLHerne | Well, that's good :-) |
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| 01:28.12 | jmbc | hi, my kmail gmail account gets message count by 3x, inbox, all mail and important, what's the usual step to do? |
| 01:29.08 | jmbc | disabling folder new/unread report does not seem the right thing |
| 01:29.55 | jmbc | (nor that it fixes it) |
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| 01:30.20 | DaZ | hum |
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| 01:30.48 | DaZ | i think my client in opera has problems with that too :c |
| 01:33.03 | jmbc | serverside subscriptions seems interesting ? |
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| 02:30.34 | krisb | Hello, "Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Settings will be reverted to their previous values.Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Settings will be reverted to their previous values.", nv18 graphic card. Is it possible to make it work on my card? |
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| 02:36.10 | damianos | I just saw a great review on KDE 4.10 I'm really excited to try it out but am trying to decide between Kubuntu or Debian Wheezy. What's the difference between the two? I've used Debian before but it was the stable release. |
| 02:39.07 | twois10 | Not much changes from 4 |
| 02:39.18 | twois10 | Not much changes from 4.95 except I have a kmix issue |
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| 02:40.13 | twois10 | but it seems in the whole world am the only one so you should be fine |
| 02:41.12 | kristijonas | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.38 | twois10 | you didnt say what card |
| 02:42.22 | twois10 | sorry, I didnt know nv18 was actually a card |
| 02:42.50 | twois10 | the card is 10 years old? |
| 02:43.44 | kristijonas | twois10, I guess so. I managed to install non-free nvidia drivers today, so I wonderer if I can try some KDE effects. |
| 02:44.19 | twois10 | I dont know if a card released in 2002 would support many or if any of the effects |
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| 02:47.46 | kristijonas | twois10, probably you'll agree that netheir the number of age nor the release date that matters, but something else, right? How can I discover whether my car can be used with those effects or not? |
| 02:48.21 | twois10 | depends what kind of car you drive :P |
| 02:48.35 | twois10 | what drivers are you using? |
| 02:48.40 | kristijonas | card* |
| 02:49.36 | kristijonas | nvidia-legacy-96xx I guess |
| 02:51.24 | kristijonas | "grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log" returns II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"; compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0; Module class: X.Org Video Driver. |
| 02:53.20 | kristijonas | and glxinfo |grep rendering returns: direct rendering: Yes. |
| 02:54.55 | twois10 | what is the output of hwinfo --gfxcard |
| 02:56.46 | kristijonas | "bash: hwinfo: command not found.", I on Debian Squeeze. |
| 02:57.20 | twois10 | oops, sorry |
| 02:58.10 | kristijonas | twois10, it's okay, should I run some other command? |
| 02:58.13 | twois10 | the card is probably just too old to be honest |
| 02:59.00 | twois10 | I dont even think compiz was available in 2002 when this card was released |
| 02:59.29 | kristijonas | twois10, stop talking about years and dates, they don't matter. |
| 02:59.37 | twois10 | They do |
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| 03:02.57 | kristijonas | twois10, you know yourself that they dont and this is not what I am asking. The proper answer would be "Yes, you should need to do this or that", or "No, you can't do this, because your card doesn't support this or that technology, or has not enough this or that", not "I don't think, it's too old, it released in 2002". That's not a clever answer to say. |
| 03:03.34 | twois10 | what is the output of glx info? |
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| 03:04.01 | twois10 | i meant glxinfo |
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| 03:05.54 | twois10 | here is what mine looks like http://paste.opensuse.org/1ad09e84 |
| 03:06.00 | kristijonas | http://paste.debian.net/234029/ |
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| 03:13.39 | kristijonas | twois10, so what information does it give to you? |
| 03:13.42 | twois10 | kristijonas: have you looked into "nomodeset" |
| 03:15.52 | kristijonas | twois10, what is it? |
| 03:16.20 | twois10 | http://askubuntu.com/questions/207175/what-does-nomodeset-do |
| 03:18.30 | kristijonas | oh, how would it help me? |
| 03:18.54 | twois10 | I saw that as one possible solution |
| 03:19.37 | kristijonas | twois10, could you please tell me why it's not working properly now? |
| 03:19.46 | twois10 | I dont know why |
| 03:19.48 | twois10 | http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=102397 |
| 03:21.44 | twois10 | kristijonas: try the suggestion in the link above and see if it helps |
| 03:24.54 | kristijonas | twois10, grub isn't a toy to play with. Before I try it, I want to know the reason, why it doesnt work, as I think there is no way to give a working advice, without knowing what causes the problem. |
| 03:25.18 | twois10 | kristijonas: I can't help you, if you are not willing to try some things |
| 03:25.34 | twois10 | the link above looked like similar issue and they got it working at the end |
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| 03:28.12 | kristijonas | twois10, did you yourself read the information on the link carefully and are you sure about your opinion about how the situation ended up? aren't you misinterpreting it? |
| 03:28.42 | twois10 | here is the title: "[SOLVED] Desktop Effects could not be activated" |
| 03:28.48 | twois10 | yes, i read it |
| 03:29.05 | twois10 | "EDIT2: Booted 6 times, with no problems. Ooooooh yeah!" |
| 03:29.13 | twois10 | "EDIT3: It is working like a charm. No more blank screens!" |
| 03:30.10 | twois10 | Whether it will work for you I dont know, but doesnt hurt trying |
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| 03:30.48 | kristijonas | twois10, which option should I use? the one you provided or the one the thread provides? |
| 03:31.06 | twois10 | Follow the thread |
| 03:31.21 | roasted | Question - when I change an icon theme, it seems as if all folder icons change except the ones with previews on them. This happens for nearly every theme, including when I switch back to the default oxygen icon theme. Eh? |
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| 03:33.59 | kristijonas | twois10, ok, thank you. |
| 03:34.13 | twois10 | kristijonas: good luck! |
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| 04:10.32 | roasted | hello friends |
| 04:10.54 | roasted | can someone explain to me why my icon theme refuses to change for folders with previews |
| 04:11.00 | roasted | http://i.imgur.com/W60KP0W.png |
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| 04:19.16 | Abhijit | hi guys |
| 04:19.36 | roasted | hi |
| 04:19.40 | roasted | Abhijit: fix my icon issue |
| 04:19.47 | Abhijit | when i have only kde in my suse it runs very well and without heating. but if i install other DEs along side kde then everything starts hanging and computers heats up |
| 04:19.51 | Abhijit | roasted, what icon issue? |
| 04:19.55 | roasted | http://i.imgur.com/W60KP0W.png |
| 04:20.05 | roasted | folders with previews refuse to stick to the current theme |
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| 04:21.23 | Abhijit | roasted, no idea. i will need to learn about kde theming for that |
| 04:24.04 | DaZ | roasted: that's some weird caching there |
| 04:24.29 | DaZ | ie if you create new directory and put stuff in there, it'll use new icons :v |
| 04:24.35 | DaZ | at least in my experience. |
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| 04:40.40 | roasted | DaZ: yep - got it fixed |
| 04:40.51 | roasted | cd /var/tmp/kdecache-user, rm icon-cache.kcache |
| 04:41.02 | roasted | log out/back in (or do @ CTRL ALT F1 menu at login screen), win |
| 04:41.08 | DaZ | wtg. |
| 04:41.17 | roasted | <3 |
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| 04:48.48 | twois10 | which icons are those roasted? |
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| 04:51.35 | roasted | twois10: which? |
| 04:51.39 | roasted | twois10: the blue or the tan? |
| 04:51.52 | twois10 | the brown and black, which icon theme |
| 04:52.19 | roasted | twois10: the brown is one theme, the black is naother |
| 04:52.28 | roasted | twois10: I was having a problem where a mixture of both icon themes would be present |
| 04:52.37 | roasted | twois10: the tan is Revuelto |
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| 04:52.49 | roasted | twois10: the blck is Oxygen Refit Black |
| 04:52.50 | twois10 | let me check em out |
| 04:53.09 | roasted | twois10: I personally like Oxygen refit Black quite a lot. It looks decent with the Lucky Eyes color scheme. |
| 04:53.15 | twois10 | you've named so many, i was talking about this link http://i.imgur.com/W60KP0W.png |
| 04:53.17 | roasted | black on a silverish gray |
| 04:53.24 | roasted | yeah, so was I |
| 04:53.34 | roasted | black = Oxygen Refit Black, tan = Revuelto |
| 04:53.37 | twois10 | I only see black and tan |
| 04:53.41 | roasted | right |
| 04:53.46 | roasted | there's two icon themes there |
| 04:53.52 | twois10 | OK i see |
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| 04:54.03 | roasted | I was having a problem where some of one theme would show up, and others from another theme would show up |
| 04:54.14 | roasted | not all of them switched properly when I switched over |
| 04:54.21 | roasted | but it was a cache issue... taken care of now |
| 04:54.45 | roasted | anyway, must go now - check em out, good themes. |
| 04:55.03 | twois10 | thanks roasted |
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| 07:58.46 | piesko | hi. i've got a problem that it's becoming annoying. at every boot plasma has got no composition. This has never happened, bug in 4.10? |
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| 08:13.54 | arkascha | I like the new screen locker that comes with KDE-4.10. However I fail to find how I can change the wallpaper it uses. |
| 08:14.25 | arkascha | It appears independant of the desktop theme used for login which is contrary to what was written about it before it was published. |
| 08:14.36 | arkascha | Anyone knows how to change that wallpaper / background? |
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| 08:27.54 | invariant | Why does an application try to connect to /tmp/dbus-l1kcSL3z3z (this file does not exist!)? |
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| 08:34.11 | arkascha | invariant: what application? |
| 08:34.37 | invariant | arkascha, filezilla |
| 08:35.07 | invariant | arkascha, when I run kate, it crashes. |
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| 08:35.42 | invariant | arkascha, I then get the "To circumvent this problem try the following command "-hack. |
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| 08:35.58 | arkascha | invariant: what has kate to do with filezilla? |
| 08:36.01 | invariant | arkascha, I don't want to 'circumvent' the problem, I want it fixed. |
| 08:36.05 | invariant | arkascha, both use dbus. |
| 08:36.18 | arkascha | Anything in the console output? |
| 08:37.02 | invariant | arkascha, http://paste.kde.org/671102/ |
| 08:37.05 | invariant | arkascha, for kate |
| 08:37.22 | invariant | arkascha, if I restart my computer, everything is ok ... for some time. |
| 08:37.47 | invariant | arkascha, I would like to fix it once and for all. |
| 08:38.28 | invariant | arkascha, filezilla shows the socket it is connecting to, but that file doesn't even exist, as I already said. |
| 08:38.54 | arkascha | socket or file? |
| 08:38.54 | invariant | arkascha, why doesn't it just check whether the file is there first before connecting to it? |
| 08:39.02 | invariant | arkascha, those are the same things in Linux. |
| 08:39.09 | arkascha | ? |
| 08:39.17 | invariant | arkascha, a socket is a file. |
| 08:39.24 | invariant | arkascha, a file is not always a socket. |
| 08:39.40 | arkascha | ok, if you insist :-) |
| 08:40.05 | invariant | arkascha, do you know anything about dbus? |
| 08:40.24 | invariant | arkascha, I have the impression that I have to explain to you how things work, which is not useful. |
| 08:41.01 | arkascha | Not much actually. I implemented a few clients using dbus. That's all my experience. |
| 08:41.30 | invariant | If I would be doing a review of KDE (or pretty much any other system using dbus), I would give it a 3 for usability. |
| 08:41.39 | invariant | (on a scale of 10) |
| 08:41.45 | arkascha | Ok. |
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| 08:42.07 | invariant | It should document what it expects from the environment. |
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| 08:42.15 | arkascha | Sure. |
| 08:42.24 | invariant | I currently have no idea what it wants. |
| 08:42.45 | invariant | The circumvention hack does work for some applications, but I am sure there are also things for which it breaks. |
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| 08:43.22 | invariant | I don't get that nobody else has all these issues. |
| 08:43.39 | arkascha | To me this looks like something crashed beforehand: either dbus itself (and respawned) or plasma. |
| 08:43.55 | arkascha | Mihgt be intresting to out which. |
| 08:44.09 | arkascha | And no, I never saw such issues, sorry. |
| 08:44.23 | invariant | This is an env. var I have DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-l1kcSL3z3z |
| 08:44.47 | arkascha | But it apepars to be outdated, right? |
| 08:44.50 | invariant | Yes |
| 08:45.01 | invariant | But the very concept that it can be outdated shows a design flaw. |
| 08:45.11 | arkascha | Processes may never crash? |
| 08:45.32 | invariant | That would be one of the lesser problems of it, but yes, that's an example. |
| 08:46.01 | invariant | Another is that environment variables cannot be modified after they are part of the new program. |
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| 08:46.34 | invariant | So, I would say that dbus has been designed to fail. |
| 08:47.05 | invariant | I really don't get how you can go to conferences, etc., and not see this obvious design flaws. |
| 08:47.12 | invariant | these* |
| 08:47.34 | invariant | Perhaps it was never the plan to create something which worked in the first place. |
| 08:47.41 | arkascha | Sure. That is most likely because we all don't know what we are talking about. |
| 08:47.44 | arkascha | It is a shame. |
| 08:48.04 | arkascha | I suggest we drop this issue now :-) |
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| 08:48.13 | arkascha | There is little sense in ranting when you try to solve an issue. |
| 08:48.16 | arkascha | Bye :-) |
| 08:48.26 | invariant | arkascha, that doesn't solve the issue. |
| 08:48.43 | arkascha | Nope, ranting does not solve the issue, that is true. |
| 08:48.49 | arkascha | As said: bye. |
| 08:49.03 | invariant | arkascha, it would help if you would explain what reasoning there is behind this. |
| 08:49.25 | invariant | arkascha, because now you are just communicating to me that whoever created this does in fact have no idea what he/she did. |
| 08:49.51 | invariant | If in fact, there was someone who had any idea, he/she would by now have pointed out how it works. |
| 08:51.34 | invariant | I also don't get why I have //bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session running |
| 08:51.47 | invariant | Why are there two //s there? |
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| 09:03.20 | invariant | I understand the problem myself now. |
| 09:03.35 | invariant | Here is someone else who also says the design is broken: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=582839 |
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| 09:14.35 | invariant | No wonder that dbus doesn't work... |
| 09:14.53 | invariant | It has been created by a Linux support company (Red Hat, Inc/). |
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| 09:15.08 | invariant | The whole point of such companies is to make it harder to use systems. |
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| 09:15.31 | invariant | Same reason why Microsoft doesn't create perfect software. |
| 09:16.13 | invariant | It's not because they (MS) don't know how (because they do), it's just because they want to give people a reason to "upgrade". |
| 09:17.02 | invariant | The whole dbus API is broken by design too. |
| 09:17.24 | invariant | It says that you are not allowed to call some functions under some circumstances. |
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| 09:17.46 | invariant | This means that it assumes that it trust every random fool to use the API correctly, which is never going to happen. |
| 09:18.08 | invariant | The probability of failure in that model approaches one as the number of interactions goes to infinity. |
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| 09:19.12 | Sho_ | invariant: I'm not sure how useful "created by <company>" really is in FOSS, I'd be more careful with conspiracy theoriesl ike that ;) |
| 09:19.48 | invariant | Sho_, what do you mean? |
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| 09:21.57 | invariant | I am happy to understand why it doesn't work, though. Using open-source does exercise the brain, so I suppose it's good for something. |
| 09:22.36 | Sho_ | invariant: What I mean is that there's a lot of people in FOSS who may be on someone's payroll, but nonetheless do the things they do because they consider them right, not because it fits their employer's agenda, and who do posess the integrity to resist their employer's pressures to do things they don't consider right |
| 09:22.59 | invariant | Still, I don't see why one would want to integrate such a badly designed system (dbus) in something else. |
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| 09:23.22 | invariant | I can think of A) ignorance B) not enough resources C) because ignorant users demanded it. |
| 09:23.30 | Sho_ | invariant: Core FOSS people can pretty much pick their job and don't easily maneuver themselves into positions they're uncomfortable with |
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| 09:23.48 | armin | hi. is there a tool that takes track of what application in X currently has my input focus, and can map my custom keyboard shortcuts to some of the application? |
| 09:24.09 | invariant | Sho_, yeah, I am sure such people also exist. |
| 09:24.14 | Sho_ | invariant: There definitely _are_ company-driven initiatives and activities in FOSS too, but they're usually more expressed in company-_run_ projects than in the community ones |
| 09:25.29 | Sho_ | invariant: I agree that D-Bus has a fair share of conceptual and implementation flaws, but there are plenty of other models to explain that other than "it fits someone's bottom line", is all I'm saying |
| 09:25.32 | invariant | armin, I don't know about that, but some x library probably has the calls you need. xcb? |
| 09:26.22 | armin | invariant: i was looking for something ready to use tbh, but indeed we could try our own to develop something as well, yes. |
| 09:26.43 | Sho_ | invariant: And for the people who created it, they were actually coming _from_ a far worse, truly enterprise-clusterfucked technology (CORBA/Bonobo) |
| 09:26.59 | invariant | Sho_, I have used CORBA and it worked. |
| 09:27.21 | invariant | Sho_, it might not have been easy to work with, but that's a different story. |
| 09:27.25 | Sho_ | invariant: http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1142044 <- good article with a lot of truth in it imho |
| 09:27.41 | Sho_ | invariant: and you can't deny, CORBA was definitely very enterprise-driven |
| 09:27.55 | invariant | Sho_, I am not against enterprises :) |
| 09:28.14 | invariant | I just wish that people would stop reinventing the wheel. |
| 09:28.37 | invariant | I am all for rounder wheels, but most people just don't have the experience for that. |
| 09:28.53 | Sho_ | invariant: well that sentiment was definitely shared by many in KDE, considering D-Bus is arguably somewhat similar in many ways to KDE's older DCOP technology |
| 09:29.40 | Sho_ | invariant: However, the D-Bus folks had some legitimate reasons to do another because KDE didn't quite care enough about making DCOP usable by others outside the KDE stack, and we ended up adopting D-Bus to be good interoperability sports |
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| 09:30.14 | invariant | I cannot imagine that someone hasn't written a paper about system buses. |
| 09:30.42 | invariant | Someone must surely have figured out a design which doesn't depend on one process. |
| 09:31.03 | Sho_ | I find Binder pretty interesting personally |
| 09:31.25 | Sho_ | It's a clever design |
| 09:31.51 | invariant | Sho_, url/google terms? |
| 09:33.05 | Sho_ | It's the IPC/RPC system at the base of Android ... it was actualy designed/conceptualized before Android existed as a project and before they decided to use the Linux kernel, and in many ways Android as a platform was rather build around Binder in the end |
| 09:33.14 | Sho_ | There was a good article on its design motivations somewhere, hold on |
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| 09:33.44 | invariant | One recurring theme is that lots of big standards never get implemented by *anyone*. |
| 09:34.31 | Sho_ | invariant: There's https://lwn.net/Articles/466304/, but I'm not certain that's the high-level piece I had in mind ... mh |
| 09:34.57 | Sho_ | Binder originally came out of BeOS and the Cobalt work |
| 09:35.05 | invariant | Cobalt? |
| 09:35.10 | Sho_ | however, it never materialized in BeOS before that closed its doors |
| 09:36.07 | Sho_ | invariant: Cobalt was an earlier project to replace Palm OS before they scrapped it and did WebOS |
| 09:36.30 | Sho_ | invariant: Be Inc. (the BeOS) folks were bought out by Palm, so Palm got a lot of Be engineers, and a lot of those Be engineers then later ended up doing Android |
| 09:36.57 | invariant | Sho_, do you work for a Linux company? |
| 09:37.26 | invariant | Sho_, (meaning that developing KDE is a core activity for you. ) |
| 09:37.34 | Sho_ | invariant: well I'm a freelancer; I'm currently under contract to work on KDE |
| 09:37.41 | Sho_ | iow: yup |
| 09:37.59 | invariant | Sho_, so, some $MAJOR_COMPANY hires you to work on KDE? |
| 09:38.31 | invariant | Sho_, how did that work? Did you go to them or were you already known and did they come to you? |
| 09:38.38 | Sho_ | invariant: not all that major and pretty new, Blue Systems |
| 09:38.57 | Sho_ | invariant: However, that's only since last year; I've been working on KDE since ~2005 on my own time |
| 09:39.08 | Sho_ | but it's pretty nice to be able to spend more time on it now |
| 09:39.20 | Sho_ | invariant: The was-already-known thing |
| 09:39.29 | invariant | Sho_, at an actual commercial rate? |
| 09:39.57 | invariant | I don't think you live in a very expensive place to live. |
| 09:40.01 | Sho_ | invariant: Talking numbers is a bit iffy, but let's say I'm happy :) |
| 09:40.19 | Sho_ | invariant: I pay 900€ rent per month, you decide |
| 09:40.36 | Sho_ | (and that's before I paid the power bill, the phone bill and have eaten anything) |
| 09:41.10 | invariant | Sho_, did you move? |
| 09:41.17 | invariant | Sho_, or do you now just have a pool? ;) |
| 09:41.38 | Sho_ | invariant: Nope, been here quite some time ... but rent crept upwards over time |
| 09:41.59 | Sho_ | invariant: And they're projecting more increases for the summer, Berlin's getting more expensive sadly |
| 09:42.15 | invariant | Sho_, I thought you were in Mexico. |
| 09:42.32 | Sho_ | invariant: Oh, no - I haven't left Berlin since birth, home-wise |
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| 09:44.37 | Sho_ | invariant: How'd you figure Mexico? :) |
| 09:44.58 | invariant | I thought I had hear you say that, but perhaps that was someone else. |
| 09:45.07 | Sho_ | Yeah, must be |
| 09:45.16 | invariant | Or your name was something like Pablo... |
| 09:45.32 | Sho_ | nah, Eike Hein |
| 09:45.37 | Sho_ | as seen in /whois |
| 09:45.52 | invariant | I am just confusing you with someone else then. |
| 09:46.14 | Sho_ | *nod* |
| 09:46.16 | invariant | Is Blue Systems growing/is there any demand? |
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| 09:46.34 | Sho_ | well I've seen it grow since I've been there, anyway :) |
| 09:46.56 | invariant | I think companies have a need for the basics to be taken care of. |
| 09:47.21 | invariant | But most are locked into tools like Autocad. |
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| 09:48.30 | Sho_ | Ironically my parents ran a construction engineering company, but before the CAD era, so I still saw things like blueprints done by hand on drawing tables |
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| 09:48.54 | Sho_ | Used to help cutting the copies and stuffing them into envelopes sent to the clients, as a young lad :) |
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| 09:52.28 | invariant | I think legal changes are required to break such monopolies. |
| 09:52.37 | invariant | Or better reverse-engineering tools. |
| 09:53.21 | invariant | (The file formats are such that you have no way to list vertices without Autocad.) |
| 09:53.55 | invariant | I consider that criminal behaviour. |
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| 09:54.14 | invariant | Competition should be based on the UI, the performance, but not on keeping the data the user provided a secret. |
| 09:54.37 | invariant | I can only assume that the people who are in charge about these things are corrupt. |
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| 09:57.34 | invariant | https://lwn.net/Articles/466304/ only suggests that people also don't know what they are doing. |
| 09:58.18 | invariant | Perhaps they should read a bit on Erlang which has solved these problems in an elegant manner. All that needs to be done is moving it to the kernel. |
| 09:58.29 | Malsasa | What news in that LWN link? |
| 10:00.31 | invariant | It was a link that Sho_ posted before. |
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| 10:00.39 | invariant | Nothing of interest to you probably. |
| 10:01.03 | Malsasa | :) |
| 10:01.03 | Malsasa | invariant: thank you... |
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| 10:05.38 | dknight | a lot of times it happens that my system is sleeping; but once I wake it, enter my password and resume working it hibernates. I am using KDE. any ideas or suggestions? |
| 10:06.00 | Malsasa | invariant: what do you think about my brainstorm idea: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=109907? |
| 10:06.00 | Malsasa | invariant: what do you think about my brainstorm idea: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=109907 ? |
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| 10:07.33 | Malsasa | dknight: do you want to directly using your desktop withoud enter password? |
| 10:10.33 | danharibo | Does any GSoC discussion happen in here? |
| 10:11.27 | arkascha_ | Malsasa: actually I think your brainstorm idea is a good one. |
| 10:11.33 | arkascha_ | I see no reason not to implement that. |
| 10:11.54 | Sho_ | danharibo: there's a #kde-gsoc, but the topic isn't forbidden here |
| 10:11.58 | arkascha_ | But I am afraid there is no ready-to-use framework at hand like there is for action menues and the like. |
| 10:11.59 | danharibo | ah right |
| 10:12.12 | danharibo | I'll go in there, I was looking for the discussion rather than anything in particualr. |
| 10:12.49 | danharibo | There's nothing there |
| 10:12.53 | danharibo | have I been tricked |
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| 10:14.12 | dknight | no I do not want to use my desktop without entering password |
| 10:14.42 | dknight | I wake my system up, enter password, then I should be able to use it; but instead of letting me work it just hibernates |
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| 10:15.27 | Sho_ | danharibo: huh, maybe it was #kde-soc .. |
| 10:15.40 | danharibo | oh there we go |
| 10:15.42 | danharibo | thanks |
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| 10:15.59 | Sho_ | sorry |
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| 10:16.21 | danharibo | no problem |
| 10:16.47 | danharibo | I managed to run /list twice in my confusion so I have a larger problem |
| 10:17.06 | Sho_ | heh |
| 10:17.26 | Sho_ | claims Konversation as the solution :P |
| 10:17.31 | danharibo | heh |
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| 10:26.31 | k2s | i use require(["mymodule"]) to load module .. is it possible to reload it again ? something like https://github.com/jrburke/requirejs/issues/412 |
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| 10:35.13 | k2s | I found the answer, there is require.undef mentioned in documentation http://livedocs.dojotoolkit.org/loader/amd |
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| 10:39.20 | Crendgrim | hi. Is it possible to modify the opacity of the dashboard in some way? |
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| 10:39.46 | Crendgrim | using the very transparent Air theme, I can hardly read the contents of my plasmoids on the dashboard when there are any applications opened in the background |
| 10:40.16 | Crendgrim | I couldn't find anything about that (except for a few unconfirmed feature wishes from a few years ago) on the Internet... |
| 10:41.53 | Verge | You're supposed to use the blur effect... |
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| 10:42.18 | Verge | But yeah, sometimes the translucency makes stuff harder to read |
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| 10:43.33 | Crendgrim | Verge: how do I do that? |
| 10:43.53 | Crendgrim | I toggled "blur the background" in the settings of the Dashboard effect |
| 10:44.05 | Crendgrim | but that doesn't really help. |
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| 10:46.02 | Verge | oh |
| 10:46.03 | Verge | Dunno then |
| 10:46.04 | ruslanas | hello, i am using KDE 4.8.4 and kmail 1.13.7 ; and kmail is configured with pgp key; sometimes it do not signs my messages and when i came to Settings > Configure > Identities > Cryptography and i cannot see my key, then i pres change and get error message that says "Cannot allocate memory" |
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| 10:47.57 | ruslanas | when i relaunch kmail everything is ok |
| 10:48.23 | ruslanas | my memory usage during error was: Mem: 7856 7607 248 0 0 1669 |
| 10:48.34 | ruslanas | any ideas? |
| 10:49.41 | ruslanas | hello, i am using debian with KDE 4.8.4 and kmail 1.13.7 ; and kmail is configured with pgp key; sometimes it do not signs my messages and when i came to Settings > Configure > Identities > Cryptography and i cannot see my key, then i pres change and get error message that says "Cannot allocate memory" |
| 10:49.46 | ruslanas | when i relaunch kmail everything is ok |
| 10:49.54 | ruslanas | my memory usage during error was: Mem: 7856 7607 248 0 0 1669 |
| 10:50.35 | invariant | ruslanas, which output is that? |
| 10:51.04 | ruslanas | free -m |
| 10:51.49 | invariant | ruslanas, perhaps it wants to allocate more than 248 then. |
| 10:52.00 | invariant | ruslanas, that seems suspect, I will give you that. |
| 10:52.07 | invariant | ruslanas, you should run strace on it. |
| 10:52.15 | invariant | ruslanas, this will return the failing malloc. |
| 10:52.31 | invariant | ruslanas, after that, verify whether it is some huge number. |
| 10:52.49 | invariant | ruslanas, if it is really huge, file a bug or fix it yourself. |
| 10:52.58 | ruslanas | ok |
| 10:53.03 | invariant | ruslanas, when small, enable swap. |
| 10:53.24 | ruslanas | thanks for an idea. |
| 10:53.26 | invariant | ruslanas, in fact, perhaps swap wouldn't even work. |
| 10:53.36 | invariant | ruslanas, it's crypto, which usually doesn't want to use swap. |
| 10:53.55 | invariant | ruslanas, there are special memory allocation procedures to get crypto memory. |
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| 10:54.52 | ruslanas | invariant: yes i have found something about that |
| 10:54.54 | invariant | ruslanas, I am not a kmail user, so, I don't build it from source or something like that. |
| 10:55.08 | invariant | ruslanas, as such, I cannot help you with specifics. |
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| 11:20.16 | invariant | Is there any command to obtain the binary running the desktop environment? (it being plasma-desktop/gnome-session/...)? |
| 11:22.04 | arkascha | invariant: ps aux|grep plasma maybe? |
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| 11:23.05 | invariant | arkascha, that wouldn't work for an arbitrary DE. |
| 11:23.13 | invariant | arkascha, and hence does not answer the question. |
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| 11:23.30 | arkascha | That is true. Sorry, typed faster than thinking :-) |
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| 11:24.41 | Sho_ | invariant: If you're on a systemd system you can probably use systemd-loginctl to get the session root process (startkde for a KDE session) |
| 11:24.45 | arkascha | I guess you'll have to use a script iterating up your parent processes until you find the initial one. |
| 11:24.52 | Sho_ | on other distros probably via consolekit |
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| 11:28.10 | Sho_ | http://paste.kde.org/671186/41275136/ etc .. |
| 11:28.45 | invariant | pgrep dbus-launch seems to give the right pid. |
| 11:29.38 | invariant | I don't know whether gnome/unity/etc. also use that. |
| 11:29.52 | Sho_ | well, they do all start a dbus session bus |
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| 11:30.32 | Sho_ | still hasn't tried Unity |
| 11:30.52 | invariant | I use Unity on my laptop, which I don't use for any heavy use. |
| 11:30.57 | Sho_ | if your objective is to kill things, systemd-loginctl kill-session would be the clean way on a systemd system |
| 11:31.16 | Sho_ | I have KDE on my ancient 2004 laptop, it's my "test with slow-ass system" box |
| 11:31.19 | invariant | No, the objective is to get the environment of a process which always exists. |
| 11:31.35 | invariant | (one containing correct dbus information) |
| 11:31.55 | invariant | Sho_, do you know how many files KDE opens? |
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| 11:32.12 | Sho_ | not off-hand |
| 11:32.18 | Sho_ | config-dependent too of course |
| 11:32.33 | invariant | Sho_, I think Linux opened about 5000 during boot or so at some point (I don't know whether this included the DE). |
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| 11:33.09 | Sho_ | It certainly has to _stat_ a bunch during login, e.g. to do the incremental sycoca update |
| 11:33.19 | invariant | For an OS, I would say the only right amount is less than 100 and probably even just one. |
| 11:33.41 | invariant | For a HDD, that is. For a SSD, it's not so important. |
| 11:33.47 | Sho_ | well, systemd certainly lowered that number :) |
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| 12:13.58 | BluesKaj | Hey all |
| 12:15.09 | Malsasa | Hey :) |
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| 12:38.26 | ovidiu-florin | hello world |
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| 12:39.20 | ovidiu-florin | I really love KDE and I'm trying all I can to promote it, so I placed the KDE logo on my website, is that ok? http://ovidiub13.dyndns.org/ |
| 12:40.28 | Aristide | Hi ! |
| 12:40.32 | Malsasa | ovidiu-florin: woow... |
| 12:40.36 | Aristide | I don't find plasma-desktop.exe in KDE for Windows ^^' |
| 12:40.36 | Malsasa | Aristide: Hi, too... |
| 12:41.52 | Malsasa | ovidiu-florin: wow, your blog KDEish.... |
| 12:42.12 | Malsasa | ovidiu-florin: up to date, i am waiting for so long... |
| 12:42.26 | ovidiu-florin | Malsasa: what do you mean? |
| 12:43.22 | Malsasa | ovidiu-florin: your blog contains many KDE stuff... i like kde too... |
| 12:43.22 | Malsasa | ovidiu-florin: i am waiting for so long to find such blog... :) |
| 12:43.24 | Malsasa | ovidiu-florin: thank you for this... |
| 12:43.34 | Malsasa | ovidiu-florin: you are Qt developer? |
| 12:44.34 | ovidiu-florin | Malsasa: no. Just A developer that likes to program using Qt and the KDE as a desktop |
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| 12:45.06 | ovidiu-florin | Malsasa: I don't have KDE stuff on my website |
| 12:45.10 | ovidiu-florin | not yet atleast |
| 12:45.20 | Malsasa | ovidiu-florin: you have Swing experience, right? |
| 12:45.25 | ovidiu-florin | just some Qt stuff |
| 12:45.30 | Malsasa | ovidiu-florin: but KDE built from Qt... |
| 12:45.42 | ovidiu-florin | I did some work in swing... Did not like it.. |
| 12:45.43 | Malsasa | ovidiu-florin: I see KDE banner in your blog... |
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| 12:46.11 | ovidiu-florin | I want to promote KDE |
| 12:46.48 | Aristide | Hm ... |
| 12:46.56 | Aristide | I continue to search « plasma-desktop.exe » file x) |
| 12:47.37 | Malsasa | ovidiu-florin: okay, so now I interested in QtCreator. |
| 12:47.51 | Malsasa | ovidiu-florin: check your comment. |
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| 12:50.43 | ovidiu-florin | Malsasa: have you received an email about the comment reply? |
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| 12:53.58 | Taoki | Hello. I'm trying to edit / create a plasma theme to my liking, based on other free themes. I'm kinda seeing how to texture various stuff, but I'm confused about one thing: How do I make parts of the plasma theme use colors from the color scheme, like Aya does? |
| 12:54.33 | Taoki | http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/Theme Here it says you need to add a hint-apply-color-scheme element to the svg file. I'm new to Inkskape and can't tell where those elements are edited from. Anyone know? |
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| 12:58.22 | invariant | Taoki, grab existing theme, grep for the element. Add it manually after you are done with a texteditor or with a program. |
| 12:58.54 | Taoki | Oh, I understand. I thought you add the field in Inkscape. I read that svg is kinda like xml so it's a text format |
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| 12:59.07 | invariant | Taoki, svg is an xml format. |
| 12:59.20 | invariant | Taoki, xml is not a text format. |
| 12:59.27 | invariant | Taoki, xml can contain binary elements. |
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| 12:59.41 | Taoki | Good to know. Still learning this |
| 13:00.32 | invariant | Taoki, or well, it depends a bit on how you define text format. |
| 13:00.49 | invariant | Taoki, I am not an XML expert, so ignore the binary comment. |
| 13:00.54 | Taoki | Something that can be edited in a text editor without showing weird code symbols\ |
| 13:01.15 | invariant | CDATA can contain a mess. |
| 13:02.47 | invariant | Perhaps it's only limited to Unicode or something like that. You don't really need to know that to create a theme, though. |
| 13:02.57 | Taoki | yeah |
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| 13:08.52 | Taoki | invariant: It's really hard to find the correct emelent ID to put that tag in. Isn't it possible to add thathint directly in Inkskape somewhere? |
| 13:09.17 | invariant | Taoki, everything is possible. |
| 13:09.32 | invariant | Taoki, just not everything is funded :P |
| 13:09.38 | Taoki | :P |
| 13:09.49 | Taoki | Can I gind the option anywhere in the inkskape menu still? |
| 13:09.55 | invariant | Taoki, probably not. |
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| 13:10.00 | Taoki | ok |
| 13:10.05 | invariant | Taoki, why would inkscape care about themes? |
| 13:10.19 | Taoki | I thought it's an element flag that can be used for general purpose |
| 13:10.35 | invariant | Taoki, can you send me the file you are working on? |
| 13:10.38 | Taoki | Actually, in Obect Properties, it dles let you edit the "id", which is what I'm seeing is set to have that hint in the text file |
| 13:10.44 | Taoki | Not working on any file yet, getting prepared |
| 13:11.02 | invariant | Taoki, I think you have to show the XML structure. |
| 13:11.19 | invariant | Taoki, but really, just add the element manually. |
| 13:11.31 | Taoki | I will if nothing else works |
| 13:11.39 | invariant | Write a small utility to mark a file as a theme file. |
| 13:11.40 | Taoki | just hard to find the element in a text file |
| 13:12.01 | invariant | If you know an XML API, it's not hard, I think. |
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| 13:16.09 | Taoki | invariant: Another question about themes: How do I update changes in realtime as I edit the theme out? Do I need to restart plasma-desktop each time after I edit a svg file in the theme? |
| 13:16.25 | invariant | Taoki, I have zero expertise in this area. |
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| 13:16.34 | Taoki | ok. Anyone else know? |
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| 13:18.20 | esing | Hi |
| 13:19.33 | esing | Can I replace 'shutdown -h -P now' at the location systemcontrol/login screen/shutdown with an arbitary script of mine? |
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| 14:38.01 | d-fens_ | hi, how can i add a static arp entry to the arp table?ßß |
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| 14:56.08 | dknight | I am using KDE. Sometimes when I wake my system from sleep/suspend, after I enter my password and resume working suddenly it hibernates even though power level is sufficient for a couple more hours. please suggest. |
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| 15:31.07 | ovidiu-florin | I have Kmail set of for the same email account on 2 vomputers via POP3. the messages I read on one computer do not apear as read on the other one. I have to mark them as read again. Also, after restarting Kmail a few messages, alwas the same ones are again marked as unread even thougn I've marked them as read for at least 30 times. How can this be fixed? |
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| 15:33.01 | DaZ | use imap instead? :v |
| 15:33.27 | ovidiu-florin | the server does not provide IMAP |
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| 15:56.03 | dimmatwerk | so i'm having some issues after upgrading to kde sc 4.10 from 4.9.5 from 4.9.4 from 4.9.3 from 4.8.5 |
| 15:57.08 | dimmatwerk | for some reason KMail refuses to retrieve messages from my IMAP account... it connects, but doesn't do anything else |
| 15:57.52 | Malsasa | dimmatwerk: try |
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| 15:58.34 | Malsasa | dimmatwerk: resetting it, to use STARTTLS in connection security. |
| 15:58.43 | Malsasa | Oh, sorry. |
| 15:58.57 | Malsasa | I mean, setting in Gmail. Maybe it helps. |
| 15:59.20 | Malsasa | STARTTLS is used for SMTP. |
| 15:59.36 | Malsasa | And maybe you should check the mail server URL. |
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| 16:00.07 | dimmatwerk | that's actually what i've always had it set at... already tried removing the account and re-adding it, but when i do this it connects and retrieves the folders, but doesn't do anything else for the messages |
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| 16:00.56 | dimmatwerk | server address is correct... and is functional. i've tested the server with telnet, as well as installing a temporary distro just to use kmail to verify where the issue lies |
| 16:02.09 | dimmatwerk | something on my system is fscked... would like to know where to correct rather than wipe and install again |
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| 16:03.14 | dimmatwerk | i've also wiped out my home directory to give kde a fresh config for my user account, but it still does this |
| 16:04.37 | cb400f | then run 'akonadiconsole' and look for hints as to why the imap agent fails |
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| 16:05.47 | dimmatwerk | hrmm, did not know that was available... thanks |
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| 16:27.44 | Khas | Is there a way to make the task manager icons only? |
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| 16:30.41 | DaZ | there's over 9000 icon only task managers, one is included in kde. |
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| 16:35.19 | Khas | So there is. Thank you for that. Although a simpl check box would seem to be the more elegant solution :-) |
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| 18:59.12 | dknight | If I turn on handlersin lignd.conf, powerdevil should inhibit those handlers, right? |
| 18:59.29 | dknight | *logind.conf |
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| 19:11.05 | rdieter | dknight: yes, set HandleLidSwitch=ignore , for example. |
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| 19:12.25 | rdieter | dknight: re-reading what you typed, I'm not sure what you're trying to do . can you clarify? (in particular, what problem are you trying to solve?) |
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| 19:13.41 | dknight | rdieter: well what I want is logind to respond to sleep button when I am using some other DE than KDE; but when I am using KDE I would like KDE to handle stuff for me. |
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| 19:14.47 | rdieter | dknight: ok. 1. kde currently doesn't support systemd inhibitors (but will soon, 4.10.1, see https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/108407/ ) |
| 19:15.17 | rdieter | 2. with 4.10.1 it'll "just work" as you expect |
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| 19:16.09 | dknight | rdieter: well I have had instances where I wake up my system from sleep, and the system hibernates |
| 19:16.28 | rdieter | dknight: that's a related, but separate problem |
| 19:16.47 | dknight | rdieter: yes, that is of course separate |
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| 19:17.06 | dknight | rdieter: do you have any idea how I can solve that? |
| 19:17.19 | rdieter | prior to native systemd-login1 support, kde uses upower. there seems to be some race condition where upower-initiated suspends will result in double-sleep (ie, systemd inhibitors are not being respected) |
| 19:17.34 | rdieter | on fedora at least, I've been seeing that. very annoying |
| 19:17.44 | dknight | rdieter: yes |
| 19:18.10 | dknight | rdieter: my logind currently has everything commented out |
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| 19:18.51 | rdieter | dknight: a sane default, yes. :) for now, if you want to avoid lidclose double suspends, set HandleLidSwitch=ignore in logind.conf |
| 19:19.27 | rdieter | drawback is, lidclose events won't automatically trigger sleep in situations where there is no other active power management (like on kdm login screen for example) |
| 19:19.29 | dknight | rdieter: it is not the lid switch trigger but the manually sleep trigger |
| 19:20.31 | rdieter | dknight: ok, try HandleSuspendKey=ignore then, similar situation, same problem |
| 19:21.18 | rdieter | that should workaround the issue (did in my testing anyway) |
| 19:21.39 | dknight | rdieter: and with that field, I will not be able to suspend from other DEs unless they use upower, right? |
| 19:22.22 | rdieter | dknight: something like that. most DE's do support power management these days, thankfully. |
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| 19:22.50 | rdieter | (doesn't necessarily have to be upower) |
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| 19:23.25 | rdieter | in fact, any DE using upower for powermanagement will have the same double-suspend issue kde does |
| 19:23.34 | dknight | rdieter: aah |
| 19:25.18 | dknight | rdieter: so now on a logind enabled system, powerdevil should inhibit those signals and until it does that we are stuck |
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| 19:27.17 | rdieter | dknight: looks like I said wrong. 4.9.x supports inhibitors, except for the bug that upower-induced sleep seems to make the inhibitors get ignored sometimes |
| 19:27.31 | rdieter | (that's some upower/systemd bug, obviously) |
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| 19:27.51 | rdieter | 4.10.1 will support native systemd-login1 powermanagement (thereby skipping the problems related to using upower) |
| 19:28.33 | rdieter | dknight: I can double check which 4.9.X gained the inhibitor support, but my vague recollection was ~4.9.4 |
| 19:28.49 | rdieter | dknight: what distro are you using? |
| 19:29.23 | dknight | I am using Arch linux |
| 19:29.28 | rdieter | (if fedora, we had it ever since shipping f18, but it was upstreamed shortly after that) |
| 19:29.44 | rdieter | ok |
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| 19:40.03 | mr0wl | What are some good KDE applications written with Python? |
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| 19:43.11 | smokex | mr0wl: most dolphin addons |
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| 19:43.49 | mr0wl | smokex: like the services? |
| 19:43.54 | smokex | yep |
| 19:44.06 | mr0wl | oh nice |
| 19:45.46 | smokex | a lot of the system settings modules |
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| 19:56.41 | rdieter | mr0wl: kahjongg (part of kdegames) is a good example |
| 19:57.19 | rdieter | sorry, mispelled, kajongg (no h) |
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| 19:57.41 | mr0wl | great, plenty of projects to contribute to |
| 19:57.44 | mr0wl | :) |
| 19:58.44 | cb400f | there's also a note/todo app.. |
| 19:59.05 | cb400f | zanshin |
| 19:59.45 | cb400f | and lots of pyqt apps.. but that's not proper kde of course.. at least not until frameworks5 |
| 19:59.59 | rdieter | zanshin isn't python (the one on my box isn't at least) |
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| 20:00.56 | cb400f | oh, I haven't used it... just einar77_work somehow gave me that impression :-) |
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| 20:50.11 | evertheylen | Are there any kde developers on this channel? |
| 20:50.24 | cb400f | yes |
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| 20:51.00 | evertheylen | you are epic |
| 20:52.06 | evertheylen | just wanted to say that, in honor of #ilovefs |
| 20:52.31 | evertheylen | (dont mind the #) |
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| 21:11.09 | wsky | is there any way to make kde composite effects smooth? i use gf9500gt and nvidia binary drivers in debian sid |
| 21:11.21 | wsky | compiz works "fine" |
| 21:11.44 | DaZ | wsky: try without vsync |
| 21:12.01 | wsky | yes i have vsync disabled |
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| 21:13.34 | gorudonu | wsky: it should be working fine... |
| 21:13.36 | gorudonu | what kde do you have? |
| 21:13.46 | DaZ | dunnolol |
| 21:13.50 | gorudonu | ... |
| 21:13.55 | DaZ | kwriteconfig --file kwinrc --group Compositing --key MaxFPS 100 and restart kwin :v |
| 21:13.57 | gorudonu | probably 4.8 |
| 21:13.58 | wsky | 4.8.4 ,the only one in sid |
| 21:15.27 | cb400f | wsky: disable the non-smooth effects :-) |
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| 21:15.51 | wsky | :o |
| 21:15.57 | cb400f | there will always be _some_ effects which suck depending on your gfxdriver/gfxcard |
| 21:16.06 | DaZ | aside from blur nothing should be non smooth imo :v |
| 21:16.10 | cb400f | some effects suck with nvidia.. others suck with intel... |
| 21:16.23 | cb400f | just seems to be the fact of life with gfxdriver and desktop effects |
| 21:16.44 | wsky | yeah, actually i have some effects working smoother on my 10 year old intel gpu chip |
| 21:17.03 | cb400f | yep, supposedly blur and transparency are the most demanding effects |
| 21:17.23 | cb400f | but e.g. the logout effect sucks excessively for me with intel 945 |
| 21:17.44 | cb400f | always have to turn it off, or it takes half afternoon to log out |
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| 21:18.35 | wsky | hm |
| 21:18.52 | cb400f | I used to have nvidia gf6800... and other effects would suck on that system |
| 21:19.08 | wsky | btw, how's kde+effects+nvidia work on freebsd? |
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| 21:19.12 | DaZ | i have 9600 and everything is awesome. |
| 21:19.39 | wsky | i'm seriously into trying freebsd out since some time |
| 21:20.29 | cb400f | no idea |
| 21:21.10 | wsky | how's working* |
| 21:21.17 | wsky | nvm |
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| 21:45.19 | twobitsprite | Hello... I'm trying to get shift-ins to paste the selection in konsole, but I can't get it to work. I've tried setting the hotkey in the konsole key bindings, but when I push shift+ins in the config dialog, it wants to put ins+AnyModifier... if I set shift-ins in the general kde shortcuts section it just doesn't work... any ideas? |
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| 21:47.08 | twobitsprite | and of course, googling this problem just returns of a bunch of forums posts with people pedantically explaining that ctrl-shift-ins is for pasting the selection, or people recommending to enable synchronization in klipper, which is horribly broken |
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| 22:08.25 | silver_hook | Hey guys and gals, I know I sometimes whine and get angry at some bugs in KDE, but I just wanted to let you know that ever since I saw KDE for the first time I’ve been a great fan. |
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| 22:09.14 | silver_hook | …in fact, back in the 90’s it was actually KDE that got me to switch to GNU/Linux in the first place — it was just so freaking cool and tweakable! |
| 22:09.22 | silver_hook | Just wanted to share the love you know… ☺♥ ♥ |
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| 22:20.32 | silver_hook | Keep up the great work! I’m always excited to see major versions, even if there’s occasional broken eggs in the way ♥ http://fsfe.org/campaigns/ilovefs/ilovefs.html ♥ |
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| 22:24.22 | danieltree | how does the taggins works in dolphin? cause I click add tags to a file, select the coresponding tag, and all it does is duplicate that tag in that list..is this similar to emblems in nautilus? |
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| 22:45.05 | T-Sourcemaker | where is the imap maildir folder in akonadi/kmail2? |
| 22:45.20 | T-Sourcemaker | I can't see my mails in .local/share/akonadi |
| 22:46.32 | thiago | T-Sourcemaker: for an IMAP account? there is no maildir cache |
| 22:46.51 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: I have enabled disconnected imap |
| 22:47.19 | thiago | T-Sourcemaker: right. There is no maildir cache. |
| 22:47.27 | thiago | T-Sourcemaker: there is a cache, but it's not in maildir format |
| 22:48.03 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: In the kmail2 version kde 4.9xxx.... all my mails were stored in .local/share/akonadi |
| 22:48.07 | T-Sourcemaker | and now... it's not :-) |
| 22:48.12 | wsky | how to leave full sreen mode in konsole? :F |
| 22:48.20 | T-Sourcemaker | I'm just confused that the backup feature seems to sync all my mails from the mail provider again... instead of using a local cache |
| 22:48.27 | thiago | T-Sourcemaker: kmail2 does not store them like that. |
| 22:48.36 | thiago | the akonadi storage is a database |
| 22:48.47 | wsky | ok got it |
| 22:48.47 | thiago | only large emails are stored as files |
| 22:48.52 | thiago | and it's not maildir |
| 22:49.14 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: so the kmail2 backup tools is always downloading all my mails again? |
| 22:49.33 | thiago | T-Sourcemaker: no. There is a cache, but it's not maildir. |
| 22:49.51 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: then this cache is not working.... |
| 22:50.39 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: It's a intel i7 and the backup is very slow.... I just have 40 MB in 10 minutes |
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| 22:51.32 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: and my network history has a high peek... |
| 22:51.58 | thiago | it needs to download once |
| 22:52.03 | thiago | if they weren't cached, they need to be download |
| 22:52.44 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: I have configured kmail2 to use disconnected imap and I have synced all folders |
| 22:53.32 | thiago | T-Sourcemaker: what are you using to back up? |
| 22:53.55 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: the build in backup feature from kmail2 |
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| 22:54.12 | thiago | has never seen that |
| 22:54.27 | thiago | Archive? |
| 22:54.35 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: Configure automatic backups |
| 22:54.41 | thiago | ok |
| 22:54.54 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: it seems to be the same like "archive folder" in context menu |
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| 22:55.13 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: and now the "file_db_data" is increasing.... |
| 22:55.30 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: seems that the disconnected imap flag is ignored... |
| 22:55.32 | thiago | that's the cache |
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| 22:55.45 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: than disconnected imap is ignored |
| 22:56.28 | thiago | T-Sourcemaker: maybe during the backup, but it shouldn't. |
| 22:56.42 | thiago | T-Sourcemaker: I know that I can read my email that was cached for disconnected use |
| 22:57.01 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: I checked this folder before i started the backup tools |
| 22:57.18 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: in the 4.9 release this folder was very big on my system (same configuration) |
| 22:57.44 | thiago | could you read the emails in that folder when in disconnected mode? |
| 22:58.00 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: I did't try |
| 22:58.22 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: I was hoping that it is more stable in 4.10 but it isn't.... |
| 22:58.31 | thiago | is it crashing? |
| 22:59.42 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: not crashing, but still buggy |
| 22:59.50 | T-Sourcemaker | disconnected imap is not working |
| 22:59.57 | thiago | we have not concluded that |
| 23:00.05 | thiago | the only thing we know is that the backup is very slow |
| 23:00.08 | T-Sourcemaker | every time I receive a mail... the notification pop ups twice |
| 23:00.28 | thiago | it's *probably* downloading again for backing up, but that is also no indication that disconnected imap is failing |
| 23:00.35 | T-Sourcemaker | I always have to restart the nepomuk agent... because it's crashing on system start |
| 23:00.44 | thiago | I don't run nepomuk |
| 23:00.53 | thiago | just turn it off and kill all processes |
| 23:00.54 | T-Sourcemaker | I have already akonadi from a fresh install... |
| 23:01.07 | T-Sourcemaker | dropped the mysql database and all configuration files... |
| 23:01.22 | T-Sourcemaker | same issues |
| 23:01.23 | thiago | so it needs to download all the emails again |
| 23:01.30 | thiago | if you drop the DB, it needs to re-download |
| 23:01.48 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: sure... i just want to make sure... that there is no upgrade issue |
| 23:01.59 | T-Sourcemaker | using always the lastest software versions on arch linux |
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| 23:02.52 | T-Sourcemaker | same issue on my business notebook... there i tried to use kmail over davmail.... |
| 23:03.14 | T-Sourcemaker | it always syncs the complete directory again... and a small directory it does not matter... |
| 23:03.29 | T-Sourcemaker | on a archive folder with 12 GB of mails.... it is long sync process :-) |
| 23:03.35 | thiago | indeed |
| 23:03.46 | thiago | I would recommend always usnig IMAP |
| 23:03.50 | thiago | don't use anything else |
| 23:04.12 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: on my current workstation I use imap and this disconnected feature this not work |
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| 23:04.48 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: on my business notebook.... it's also imap but wrapped over davmail (Exchange-IMAP to IMAP Adapter) |
| 23:04.54 | thiago | T-Sourcemaker: did you test it by going to offline mode and reading emails? |
| 23:04.54 | T-Sourcemaker | same disconnected issue |
| 23:05.05 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: yes... I can't read my mails |
| 23:05.14 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: and the backup tool crashed |
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| 23:06.08 | T-Sourcemaker | Version 4.10 |
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| 23:07.23 | T-Sourcemaker | thiago: it's a fresh and clean home directory... so there are no old configuration or data files... |
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| 23:09.32 | perth | I'm having an issue getting multiple monitors to work correctly, running 2 video cards, Nvidia e-GeForce 8800 GT connected to the primary display, and an AMD Radeon HD 5450 connected to the secondary and tritary displays. System is running Gentoo, kernel 3.6.11, all drivers installed (correctly as far as I can tell) Current /etc/X11/xorg.conf: http://bpaste.net/show/77346/ |
| 23:09.42 | perth | The situation is as follows: All monitors come on, the primary (on the 8800) works beautifully, the other 2 come on, show incorrect backgrounds, show KDE's plasmas "Desktop" widget thingy :), the left is accessable by mouse, the right is not, I can not drag a window to the left display, and assume I can't to the right display as my mouse won't go there :) |
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| 23:12.05 | perth | I have a feeling that my problem is now with kde |
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| 23:12.23 | perth | considering what I'm seeing on my side displays |
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