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| 00:55.47 | fa2k | 4.10 really does look better in terms of not locking up, but the jury is still out |
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| 00:56.28 | fa2k | is it intentional that my screens appear much more "unified" in 4.10?, i.e. the taskbar extends over both screens and windows get opened in the middle |
| 00:56.42 | fa2k | maybe it's just my X config that's different |
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| 01:25.37 | roasted | hello friends |
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| 01:34.58 | int_ua | Can someone try this? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314640 |
| 01:36.38 | roasted | I'm trying to get my hot corners working in KDE 4.10 on Ubuntu 12.04. I can do things like show desktop, but if I choose show all windows, nothing happens at all. Desktop effects ARE enabled and the nvidia driver is installed. Running dual screen as well. |
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| 01:40.48 | skribblezatcha | i was wondering if anyone could answer a question for me. mint 14kde has the most recent version of kde installed, correct? |
| 01:41.20 | int_ua | <skribblezatcha>: is it 4.10.00? |
| 01:41.47 | int_ua | <roasted>: works fine with one monitor |
| 01:41.59 | int_ua | nvidia too |
| 01:42.20 | skribblezatcha | hmm..i'm not sure int_ua..let me check man. do you know where i would look for that by chance? |
| 01:42.41 | int_ua | Any application's Help |
| 01:42.51 | int_ua | <skribblezatcha>: ^ |
| 01:43.08 | int_ua | Help -> About KDE |
| 01:43.21 | skribblezatcha | thanks man..let me check.:) |
| 01:43.57 | skribblezatcha | 4.9.4 |
| 01:43.57 | int_ua | <roasted>, Can you confirm these: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=308340 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314640 please :) |
| 01:44.23 | skribblezatcha | so it needs to be updated huh? |
| 01:44.34 | int_ua | <skribblezatcha>: yeah :) |
| 01:45.09 | skribblezatcha | ok cool. hmm. in terminal..how would i go about doing that..if you dont mind me asking int_ua? |
| 01:45.53 | int_ua | <skribblezatcha> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 01:46.15 | int_ua | That will work if Mint already have 4.10 in repos |
| 01:46.54 | skribblezatcha | let me try repo first then to see. |
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| 01:48.01 | skribblezatcha | i dont see it. |
| 01:48.44 | int_ua | <skribblezatcha> Well, I'm not a Mint user. Using Kubuntu Backports PPA. |
| 01:49.09 | int_ua | not sure if Mint can do PPA, I hope so |
| 01:49.32 | skribblezatcha | i am a new user to linux so i am not sure what you are talking about int_ua. |
| 01:49.52 | skribblezatcha | if i wanted to go and get the new kde for mint. how would i do that? |
| 01:50.23 | int_ua | <skribblezatcha> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports |
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| 01:50.55 | int_ua | <skribblezatcha> But it's for Ubuntu. Not sure if it'll work on Mint. |
| 01:51.36 | int_ua | <skribblezatcha> Do at _your_ own risk. |
| 01:54.08 | skribblezatcha | ok..it has said that i am about to add the following ppa to my system.. |
| 01:54.33 | skribblezatcha | sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports |
| 01:54.33 | skribblezatcha | You are about to add the following PPA to your system: |
| 01:54.34 | skribblezatcha | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.34 | skribblezatcha | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.35 | skribblezatcha | Press [ENTER] to continue or ctrl-c to cancel adding it |
| 01:54.35 | skribblezatcha | gpg: keyring `/tmp/tmplzo48_/secring.gpg' created |
| 01:54.36 | skribblezatcha | gpg: keyring `/tmp/tmplzo48_/pubring.gpg' created |
| 01:54.36 | skribblezatcha | gpg: requesting key 8AC93F7A from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com |
| 01:54.37 | skribblezatcha | gpg: /tmp/tmplzo48_/trustdb.gpg: trustdb created |
| 01:54.37 | skribblezatcha | gpg: key 8AC93F7A: public key "Launchpad Kubuntu Updates" imported |
| 01:54.38 | skribblezatcha | gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found |
| 01:54.38 | skribblezatcha | gpg: Total number processed: 1 |
| 01:54.39 | skribblezatcha | gpg: imported: 1 (RSA: 1) |
| 01:54.39 | skribblezatcha | OK |
| 01:54.47 | skribblezatcha | i didnt mean to spam the room..sorry for that. |
| 01:54.52 | skribblezatcha | i didnt know what else to do. |
| 01:55.06 | skribblezatcha | after OK..then what int_ua? |
| 01:55.23 | skribblezatcha | does that mean that its in repo now? |
| 01:55.54 | int_ua | yeah, now update+upgrade again |
| 01:56.18 | int_ua | <skribblezatcha> Next time use some pastebin-like service ;) |
| 01:56.30 | skribblezatcha | ok cool..thanks. |
| 01:57.32 | int_ua | <skribblezatcha>: If you'll get 4.10 please try confirming bugs I've posted earlier. I'll really appreciate that :) |
| 01:59.10 | skribblezatcha | this doesnt replace that repo with mine right? |
| 01:59.42 | skribblezatcha | will do int_ua..thanks. |
| 02:00.27 | int_ua | <skribblezatcha> it doesn't replace repo, but the added repo will contain new versions of packages that _will_ replace old ones upon upgrading |
| 02:00.49 | skribblezatcha | beautiful..thanks man. |
| 02:01.24 | lainlives | i wish 4.10 was available in the Fedora repos |
| 02:04.50 | int_ua | <lainlives> you mean "... already"? :) |
| 02:07.01 | skribblezatcha | cool. i guess that its going through the process now. so where are these bugs that you have posted int_ua..if you dont mind me asking? |
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| 02:08.12 | int_ua | <skribblezatcha> but only after successful upgrade: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314640 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=308340 |
| 02:08.42 | int_ua | where is infobot? |
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| 02:11.57 | skribblezatcha | int_ua: its gone to processing triggers for menu..and then went back to my name again. does that mean that its done..or requires another command? |
| 02:13.28 | FlameReaper-PC | skribblezatcha: Log out and then log back in. |
| 02:13.51 | skribblezatcha | are you sure FlameReaper-PC? |
| 02:13.56 | FlameReaper-PC | Yes |
| 02:13.59 | int_ua | <skribblezatcha> yes |
| 02:14.04 | skribblezatcha | ok cool. brb man. |
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| 02:17.46 | FlameReaper-PC | Oh by the way int_ua, there's something which bothers me about the lockscreen and LightDM-KDE |
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| 02:19.37 | skribblezatcha | ok cool..it actually upgraded to 4.10.:) |
| 02:19.47 | int_ua | <FlameReaper-PC> ? |
| 02:20.08 | skribblezatcha | now some updates are installing. i noticed that my battery meter applet isnt there yet..it says unable to show it. |
| 02:20.21 | skribblezatcha | or unable to load, sorry. |
| 02:20.27 | FlameReaper-PC | int_ua: When you use a background image with a resolution that is not native to the display in use, the image scaling does not follow what you would expect from a downscaled large image in order to fit with the display. |
| 02:20.50 | FlameReaper-PC | It appears somewhat jagged/ |
| 02:20.50 | int_ua | <skribblezatcha> didn't upgraded my notebook yet, desktop here with no battery |
| 02:20.53 | FlameReaper-PC | *jagged. |
| 02:21.18 | skribblezatcha | lol..int_ua.. |
| 02:21.34 | skribblezatcha | who knows man..i'll see what can be done about it as time goes i guess. |
| 02:22.10 | int_ua | <FlameReaper-PC> didn't have images for wallpapers for a long time :P But I'll try. Can you send me link you your wp? |
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| 02:23.16 | FlameReaper-PC | int_ua: Um, what's your display resolution? At any rate I'd suppose testing a 1920x1080 sized wallpaper against a 1366x768 screen to see what I meant. |
| 02:23.48 | FlameReaper-PC | Not that I couldn't simply downscale that manually, but I'm just too lazy :P |
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| 02:24.34 | int_ua | FlameReaper-PC, 1280x1024 |
| 02:24.42 | FlameReaper-PC | Ah |
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| 02:25.08 | FlameReaper-PC | Let's see if there is a suitable image with the correct aspect ratio... or probably not |
| 02:25.17 | skribblezatcha | going to restart after some updates. brb. |
| 02:26.45 | int_ua | FlameReaper-PC, so, should I wait? |
| 02:27.16 | FlameReaper-PC | int_ua: My connection is running a bit cranky at the moment, so excuse me |
| 02:27.34 | FlameReaper-PC | I found one, but I'm trying to get it back to you |
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| 02:30.11 | FlameReaper-PC | int_ua: http://ompldr.org/vaGU1aQ/chair-wallpaper-2560x2048.jpg << This should easily be twice your monitor's resolution |
| 02:30.19 | int_ua | FlameReaper-PC, maybe just a screenshot to show what you mean? |
| 02:30.24 | FlameReaper-PC | Ah |
| 02:30.46 | FlameReaper-PC | ... Can I use Ksnapshot to capture an image of LightDM and/or the lockscreen? |
| 02:30.51 | FlameReaper-PC | Never tried that though |
| 02:31.28 | int_ua | oh, I've forgot that you are talking about lightdm |
| 02:31.49 | FlameReaper-PC | OK, I got the lockscreen |
| 02:31.59 | FlameReaper-PC | Time to try that on LightDM |
| 02:32.37 | int_ua | FlameReaper-PC, isn't it the same as on desktop? |
| 02:32.58 | FlameReaper-PC | int_ua: What do you mean? |
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| 02:33.26 | int_ua | FlameReaper-PC, don't you have this problem on desktop? |
| 02:33.32 | FlameReaper-PC | Err no |
| 02:33.36 | FlameReaper-PC | I am using it on my laptop |
| 02:34.06 | FlameReaper-PC | Apparently the new lockscreen image's too dark to demonstrate what I'm trying to mean.. |
| 02:34.57 | int_ua | FlameReaper-PC, use ksnapshot with a timer - it'll work |
| 02:35.16 | FlameReaper-PC | int_ua: For LightDM? |
| 02:35.25 | FlameReaper-PC | I got it working for the lockscreen though. |
| 02:35.54 | FlameReaper-PC | Okay, so apparently KSnapshot does not capture LightDM's. |
| 02:36.08 | int_ua | FlameReaper-PC, oh, it appears only for lightdm? |
| 02:36.10 | FlameReaper-PC | ... and I forgot to save the screenshot of the lockscreen... |
| 02:36.18 | FlameReaper-PC | int_ua: No, it's for both. |
| 02:36.21 | FlameReaper-PC | I noticed it on both |
| 02:36.44 | int_ua | FlameReaper-PC, so we don't really need a lightdm screenshot |
| 02:36.58 | FlameReaper-PC | I guess |
| 02:37.08 | int_ua | another bug: can't type in file selection dialog in Screen Lock settings |
| 02:37.25 | int_ua | FlameReaper-PC, your chair looks ok in my case |
| 02:37.30 | FlameReaper-PC | I just hope you would be able to notice from such a dark background image... |
| 02:37.36 | FlameReaper-PC | Really? |
| 02:37.38 | FlameReaper-PC | Hmm... |
| 02:38.10 | int_ua | FlameReaper-PC, I guess we really need a screenshot with comparison |
| 02:38.42 | FlameReaper-PC | Hold on |
| 02:38.49 | FlameReaper-PC | I'm trying to get it |
| 02:39.22 | FlameReaper-PC | Do you know where KDE stores its default wallpaper images? |
| 02:39.53 | FlameReaper-PC | Oh found it. |
| 02:43.35 | FlameReaper | int_ua: http://i.imgur.com/sepvZ8S.jpg Screenshot of lockscreen. |
| 02:43.57 | FlameReaper | http://i.imgur.com/LPQvw2A.jpg Original. |
| 02:44.10 | FlameReaper | http://i.imgur.com/p0NOETJ.png << Expected downscale. |
| 02:44.38 | int_ua | FlameReaper-PC, is that you? |
| 02:44.44 | FlameReaper-PC | int_ua: Yes. |
| 02:44.46 | int_ua | ok |
| 02:45.02 | FlameReaper-PC | To compare: On the visible parts, namedly the lines with shadows |
| 02:45.16 | FlameReaper-PC | the screenshot's have jagged edges. |
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| 02:45.28 | FlameReaper-PC | On the downscaled original, it appears smooth as it should've been |
| 02:45.52 | FlameReaper-PC | This jaggedness also applies to LightDM |
| 02:46.04 | int_ua | yeah, really, I've even noticed it. I just thought it was the image that was broken |
| 02:46.14 | int_ua | FlameReaper, will you file a bug? |
| 02:46.18 | int_ua | I'll confirm it |
| 02:46.26 | FlameReaper-PC | Will do, hold on. |
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| 02:47.28 | int_ua | and another one from me: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314642 |
| 02:48.36 | FlameReaper-PC | ^ Ah, I noticed that as well when fiddling around with the lockscreen. |
| 02:49.15 | int_ua | wait |
| 02:49.33 | int_ua | FlameReaper, I've just returned the image and it's no longer broken |
| 02:49.47 | int_ua | FlameReaper, can you try changing to another image and back? |
| 02:50.15 | FlameReaper-PC | How so? |
| 02:50.58 | int_ua | FlameReaper, I think it used some pre-cached image that was generated on the system that built the package |
| 02:51.17 | int_ua | FlameReaper, was it fixed? |
| 02:51.26 | FlameReaper-PC | No |
| 02:51.48 | FlameReaper-PC | At any rate, I'm filing a bug on LightDM |
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| 02:52.05 | FlameReaper-PC | when I'm using examples from the lockscreen... |
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| 02:55.03 | FlameReaper-PC | All right, managed to acquire a method of getting LightDM screenshots. |
| 02:55.16 | int_ua | FlameReaper, http://i.imgur.com/T4NRMol.png |
| 02:56.03 | FlameReaper-PC | Looks pretty fine on yours, even though it's almost double your screen size, and not the correct aspect ratio to boot |
| 02:56.29 | FlameReaper-PC | I suppose this might be quite a specific problem on some screens |
| 02:56.56 | int_ua | FlameReaper, I still think it was broken first |
| 02:57.09 | int_ua | let me reinstall kde lightdm greeter |
| 02:57.19 | int_ua | AFK for 10 minutes |
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| 03:01.17 | FlameReaper-PC | int_ua: All right, got the three shots in place now |
| 03:01.37 | FlameReaper | http://i.imgur.com/mzATxZE.jpg << What is displayed on LightDM |
| 03:01.53 | FlameReaper | http://i.imgur.com/mjxZ1YK.jpg << Expected background image appearance after rescaling |
| 03:02.00 | FlameReaper | http://i.imgur.com/Xuocm1n.jpg << Originals |
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| 09:39.41 | backjlack | I'm still having problems with dbus with kde 4.10. :( |
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| 09:55.22 | ArchangelSe7en | are there major changes between KDE 4.9.5 and KDE 10 ? |
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| 09:56.44 | ArchangelSe7en | KDE 4.10* |
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| 10:08.29 | yerodin | Gentoo, KDE-4.10.0 not running cause of bug 311751. Is there any way to get this pc running again? some workaround or maybe even better already any solution= |
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| 10:11.31 | padde | yerodin: try the plasma-workspace from kde overlay |
| 10:11.45 | padde | yerodin: it works here, but after a few minutes it makes plasma-desktop use 100% cpu |
| 10:12.24 | yerodin | padde: Doesn't sound good either ;) |
| 10:12.41 | padde | yerodin: yeah, but at least it works ;) just needs a bit more power :P |
| 10:12.56 | yerodin | padde: You're right :] |
| 10:13.22 | padde | yerodin: I'm pretty sure they will fix it in the next hours, a segfaulting desktop shell is a bit of a showstopper |
| 10:14.07 | yerodin | padde: Indeed. I was about to show my desktop to some friends yesterday after I have done the update in the morning. |
| 10:14.12 | padde | yerodin: https://bugs.gentoo.org/450818?id=450818 |
| 10:14.20 | yerodin | padde: It was hard to explain why that GREAT desktop wasn't working. |
| 10:14.58 | yerodin | padde: Will take a look. |
| 10:15.11 | yerodin | god bless my android ^^ |
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| 10:16.05 | padde | such things happen in free software :P |
| 10:17.20 | yerodin | padde: I still love it. Now my cpu runs at 100%, but kde RUNS :D |
| 10:17.22 | yerodin | padde: ty! ^^ |
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| 10:26.11 | delt0r | Is it possible to use a different activity at the same time on different monitors? |
| 10:26.41 | delt0r | google foo is not giving me a lot of hope here |
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| 10:29.39 | Verge | delt0r: I think it is |
| 10:30.00 | Verge | It's under workspace settings in system settings or something |
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| 10:36.06 | remus | in 4.10 task bar entries for minimized windows are light gray which makes them difficult to read for me. is there a way to change that? |
| 10:37.37 | delt0r | Verge: thx |
| 10:37.43 | delt0r | looks into it |
| 10:39.11 | delt0r | dam i broke it |
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| 10:55.29 | bitlord | how can I test if my system is capable of handling transparency (panel, kicker menu ...?) |
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| 11:00.11 | Verge | Running it? |
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| 11:04.21 | bitlord | Verge, I have two systems, different hw. configuration, on one system it works fine, on other, no transparency (no errors, ...) (Is there any other method to test this?) |
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| 11:05.14 | Verge | Well |
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| 11:05.33 | Verge | It might be the compatibility checker decided you can't run it for whatever the reason |
| 11:05.44 | Verge | I've had that many times |
| 11:05.53 | Verge | After that it can't be made to change its mind |
| 11:06.02 | Verge | I always have to edit the configs by hand |
| 11:06.13 | Verge | I think it's in .kwinrc |
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| 11:06.47 | Verge | .kde4/share/config/kwinrc |
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| 11:10.03 | bitlord | don't know what to change, this is the kwinrc from the problematic box https://paste.lugons.org/raw/3918/ |
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| 11:10.50 | Verge | Quite simplified that is |
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| 11:11.26 | Verge | OpenGLIsUnsafe=false means your problems probably ain't due to compatibility checker |
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| 11:12.20 | Verge | Maybe you have just disabled compositing in KDE? |
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| 11:13.34 | bitlord | no, other effects work fine, just missing panel transparency, kicker ... :S (It is enabled by default, I tried turning it on/off with a kb shortcut Alt+Shift+F12 |
| 11:14.02 | bitlord | same, default effects are enabled on both machines |
| 11:15.29 | Verge | So far I've used KDE on cards manufactured by three different companies using five different set of drivers and had not problems like that |
| 11:15.40 | BluesKaj | Hey all |
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| 11:17.11 | bitlord | Verge, working machine has ati radeon card with free drivers, non-working one has intel (also free drivers, most of the software components are "latest" mesa, kernel, xorg-drivers ... ) |
| 11:17.27 | Verge | Is it a nettop? |
| 11:17.35 | Verge | netbook |
| 11:17.37 | Verge | what are they |
| 11:17.38 | bitlord | no, it's a laptop |
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| 11:18.18 | bitlord | machine with intel is a laptop (lenovo sl510), other machine is a desktop (custom, no model ...) |
| 11:18.42 | Verge | But the translucency is clearly missing due to a bug and not because the theme just doesn't have it? |
| 11:19.13 | bitlord | I use default theme, and tried other themes, same thing |
| 11:19.35 | Verge | And you have restarted the system? |
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| 11:20.18 | bitlord | yes/no, what requires a restart? |
| 11:21.05 | Verge | I've sometimes had the theme lose translucency and it comes back after a restarth |
| 11:21.06 | bitlord | after installing everything yes, but after theme changes, no |
| 11:21.06 | Verge | -h |
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| 11:50.25 | apus | hi, can somebody tell me how to get antialiasing working for the blackboard widget? using wacom tablet |
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| 12:11.31 | remus | bitlord: one thing maybe worth a try is to disable blurring effect and see if transparency then works |
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| 12:30.23 | invariant | Is there something like mysql-workbench that works under KDE? |
| 12:30.45 | invariant | I know that only the worst of application don't work under all DEs. You don't need to tell me that. |
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| 13:10.15 | __ra__ | How to make Kate output a tab? |
| 13:10.24 | __ra__ | I'm coding a program in Python. |
| 13:10.32 | __ra__ | Output a literal TAB. |
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| 13:11.32 | __ra__ | Got that working. |
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| 13:45.02 | piesko | hi, i've read mtp support should be out of the box on kde 4.10. Which packages should be installed in order to have it workin? |
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| 13:49.58 | rdieter | piesko: all the usual stuff, plus kio_mtp |
| 13:50.53 | rdieter | or kio-mtp, depending on what your distro calls it |
| 13:51.09 | rdieter | this thing, https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/base/kio-mtp |
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| 13:53.45 | piesko | rdieter: thx! |
| 13:54.12 | freeedrich| | so.. if it's "out of the box" - why is it still located at playground? |
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| 13:55.06 | piesko | freeedrich|: i suppose cause kde is modular, you still can decide which pieces to install. The important matter is th unnecessity to install fuse, gvfs or other non-integrated things |
| 13:55.26 | rdieter | freeedrich|: good question :-/ (ideally, kio-mtp would be moved to standard kde-runtime) |
| 13:55.28 | piesko | or better, non-native :P |
| 13:56.33 | piesko | btw, it's working so fine :) |
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| 14:06.00 | delt0r | still can't work out how to have an activity per monitor ... i don't think it can be done... :( |
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| 14:14.27 | rdieter | piesko: interesting idea though |
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| 15:17.41 | miebster_atwork | In the KDE launcher one of my shortcuts has this as the command "/opt/pycharm-2.7/bin/pycharm.sh" %f |
| 15:17.48 | miebster_atwork | what is the %f for? and why is the rest of it in quotes? |
| 15:18.27 | svuorela | %f is file. and quotes because the path could maybe have contained spaces |
| 15:18.38 | delt0r | miebster_atwork: the quotes are probably from some generation script or something... so that spaces etc will work |
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| 15:19.47 | miebster_atwork | The %f still doens't make sense, if I click it from the kde menu, what would it be? |
| 15:20.21 | delt0r | miebster_atwork: its when you "Drag drop" or double click on a file that is associated with the app |
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| 15:30.31 | AndrzejL | guys I am getting "Unable to read socket" with Gadu gadu protocol - not sure if it's pidgin / kde4.10.0 upgrade or gadu gadu servers |
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| 15:36.55 | AndrzejL | http://pastebin.com/gZZybRtc |
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| 15:36.57 | AndrzejL | that's the debug window bit that's showing up when it happens |
| 15:37.00 | AndrzejL | no errors in konsole |
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| 15:38.21 | rdieter | AndrzejL: pidgin != kde, i'd suggest asking in #pidgin |
| 15:38.59 | AndrzejL | rdieter: as I have mentioned not sure if it's pidgin / kde4.10.0 upgrade or gadu gadu servers |
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| 15:39.11 | AndrzejL | it only started today after upgrade to kde 4.10 |
| 15:39.24 | AndrzejL | I am on #pidgin asking the very same question |
| 15:39.24 | rdieter | AndrzejL: kde has nothing to do with pidgin (and vice-versa), in general |
| 15:39.39 | rdieter | ok |
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| 15:45.08 | AndrzejL | but possibly you're right - 104 connection reset by peer sounds like gadu gadu server error to me... |
| 15:45.11 | AndrzejL | oh well |
| 15:45.13 | AndrzejL | thanks |
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| 16:26.43 | Thunderchild | bleh, 4.10 is a disaster |
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| 16:27.06 | Thunderchild | sorry to burst in like this, but I had to tell someone :) |
| 16:27.15 | Thunderchild | and let off steam |
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| 16:30.20 | BluesKaj | Thunderchild, hmm , seems fine here , so far |
| 16:30.20 | rdieter | Thunderchild: can you make in constructive? how so? maybe we can help |
| 16:30.43 | Thunderchild | well being on Gentoo I'm bitten by the bug that makes plasma crash when the systray applet is loaded |
| 16:30.58 | rdieter | Thunderchild: "the bug"? documented where? |
| 16:30.59 | Thunderchild | -> either no systray or no KDE |
| 16:31.25 | Thunderchild | I wanted to report it and Dr. Konqi brought me to reports a month old which revealted that it's a Qt bug |
| 16:31.26 | rdieter | could be gentoo specific, but hard to say without details |
| 16:31.33 | rdieter | Thunderchild: bug #? |
| 16:31.43 | Thunderchild | hm... have to look... |
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| 16:32.47 | rdieter | i've been testing/using since 4.9.97, not a single plasma crash that I can remember |
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| 16:35.24 | FLHerne | Hi. |
| 16:35.36 | FLHerne | Just upgraded to 4.10, and found the new QML Comic Strip widget is a bit different. Anyone know where the 'show icons only' and 'resize to fit strip' options have wandered off to? |
| 16:35.49 | Thunderchild | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311751 |
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| 16:36.19 | Thunderchild | anyway, while the new plasma Air theme is a bit cleaner, I'll have to join the chorus that the task applet is nigh unusable for minimised entries |
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| 16:36.52 | Thunderchild | due to the dimmed font, it's nigh unreadable now. |
| 16:37.17 | Thunderchild | Then I tried the new semantic stuff. But the new file indexed got stuck in a crash loop. |
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| 16:37.22 | Thunderchild | indexed=indexer |
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| 16:38.01 | rdieter | Thunderchild: indeed looks like a issue exposed largely on gentoo |
| 16:38.22 | Thunderchild | and only on x64. My x86 system (same general setup) is unaffected |
| 16:38.30 | Thunderchild | but it's only a netbook and not my main system |
| 16:38.36 | Thunderchild | so it doesn't help me much |
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| 16:43.40 | FLHerne | After a bit more looking, whoever rewrote the comics widget seems to have dumped about half the settings, including a few that make it unusable in the way I wish to :-( |
| 16:44.03 | FLHerne | Is it possible to install the 'standard' widgets from 4.9 in 4.10? |
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| 16:44.31 | FLHerne | Also, is it worth filing a moany bug-report, or would that just be silly? :P |
| 16:45.04 | Thunderchild | hm.. I deleted ~/.kde4/share/apps/nepomuk, reset it to not index any folders, and the file indexer still crashes. |
| 16:45.37 | delt0r | FLHerne: bug reports are useful when constructive. Moany is not required |
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| 16:49.39 | FLHerne | delt0r: Is a "I was using that feature, now I can't use this widget the way I like" report moany? Not sure :-/ |
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| 16:50.00 | Thunderchild | removal of features could either be a regression or Gnome 3 ^^ |
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| 16:50.07 | koniiiik | Is it somehow possible to disable the screen brightness OSD? |
| 16:50.14 | delt0r | FLHerne: no... "i can no longer do X" is a perfectly acceptable bug report |
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| 16:51.17 | FLHerne | delt0r: Ok then. I'll probably file one then. In the meantime, do you know if there's a way to use the one from =<4.9 in 4.10? |
| 16:51.28 | delt0r | Sorry... |
| 16:51.32 | delt0r | never done that.. |
| 16:51.44 | delt0r | I would guess that the answer is generally no |
| 16:51.49 | delt0r | but YMMV |
| 16:52.09 | delt0r | as in some won't use new features and should work fine. |
| 16:52.13 | delt0r | at least from source |
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| 16:52.16 | koniiiik | It was awesome when it didn't work up until a few versions of KDE ago, however, after upgrading to 4.9.5, the damn OSD started to work properly and it's just annoying when it shows up every now and then while reading an article or watching a movie. |
| 16:52.39 | koniiiik | I mean, I can see the screen goes dim, I don't need an OSD to show it explicitly. |
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| 16:53.15 | FLHerne | delt0r: Mmm. Thanks :-/ |
| 16:54.05 | Thunderchild | so I never used semantic features before. I reset and enabled it, the indexer ran through ~/doc and I opened one of the files. But it doesn't show up in dolphin's Today item. |
| 16:54.10 | Thunderchild | how does that work exactly? |
| 16:54.33 | Thunderchild | I does show a list of files for the different file type filters. |
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| 16:58.36 | miebster_atwork | I've asked 4 times in the past and so far no one has been able to get this to work but it should be really easy |
| 16:58.45 | miebster_atwork | I have an app I run from the terminal /opt/some/app |
| 16:58.51 | miebster_atwork | I want a shortcut that runs it |
| 16:59.07 | Thunderchild | where do you want it? |
| 16:59.10 | miebster_atwork | Problem is, whenever I try to make one in the KDE menu, it launche the app, but doesn't source my env variables |
| 16:59.19 | Thunderchild | ah. |
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| 17:00.10 | Thunderchild | hm... I have no idea... do you mean the stuff that, in bash, is done by source /etc/profile? |
| 17:00.33 | miebster_atwork | .bashrc |
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| 17:01.18 | Thunderchild | what if you wrap that into a two-line script which first sources, then starts your application, and put that script into your launcher item |
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| 17:01.54 | miebster_atwork | well, because people keep telling me that KDE sources .profile |
| 17:01.59 | miebster_atwork | and my .profile is this http://bpaste.net/show/mMslzFOMANF8cIZ9WQsN/ |
| 17:02.03 | miebster_atwork | which sources my .bashrc |
| 17:02.39 | Thunderchild | did you try it without the if block? |
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| 17:02.42 | Thunderchild | that checks for bash |
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| 17:05.17 | miebster_atwork | hmm |
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| 17:29.54 | Tanktalus | is there a #channel for kmail/kdepim? |
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| 17:30.40 | T-Sourcemaker | is there any performance difference when using the external mysql server feature in akonadi (same system) |
| 17:31.01 | T-Sourcemaker | normal mysql vs. embedded mysql |
| 17:31.07 | Tanktalus | Are you using mysql for anything else already? |
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| 17:33.51 | T-Sourcemaker | Tanktalus: I'm using the default configuration |
| 17:33.59 | T-Sourcemaker | no external database |
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| 17:34.16 | T-Sourcemaker | no... but i would like to .... amarok/digikakm |
| 17:34.18 | Tanktalus | sure, but is there any reason for using a global mysql? For example, I'm using amarok which uses mysql as well. |
| 17:35.03 | Tanktalus | In theory, using a single copy of mysql on the system (instead of a bunch of embedded copies) would make better use of resources. On the other hand, it's harder to set up. |
| 17:35.32 | Tanktalus | Which is the whole point of embedded mysql ;) |
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| 17:36.29 | Tanktalus | I have a few mysql db's running on my system as well as a few SQLite db's and a half-dozen DB2 databases ... so keeping the number of independent processes down can be advantageous to my memory requirements ;) |
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| 17:37.01 | Tanktalus | I'm hoping someone knows if there's a channel for kdepim/kmail ;) |
| 17:37.15 | T-Sourcemaker | Tanktalus: why does not kde use on database for all? :-) |
| 17:37.53 | Tanktalus | amarok isn't part of the "core" KDE distribution, it's developed outside of that, so I'm sure there's a bit of a silo approach here. |
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| 17:39.22 | T-Sourcemaker | Tanktalus: okay |
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| 17:40.26 | Tanktalus | It'd be nice if KDE apps could share the same embedded mysql ... but I have no idea how feasible that is. The "embedded" mysql could just be loading the mysql libraries into the current process and using them, in which case there's no way to "share" it (it already is as shared as it can get). |
| 17:40.48 | VaterGarp | While it's nice to see a proper appmenu integration in KDE 4.10, the external menubar starts glowing WAY too early |
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| 17:41.18 | VaterGarp | And it doesn't have any background making it rather uncomfortable to read |
| 17:41.26 | VaterGarp | Is there a way to configure this? |
| 17:42.09 | VaterGarp | It starts glowing when my mouse is at about 50% of my screens height |
| 17:42.18 | Mamarok | Tanktalus: have a look at #kontact |
| 17:42.24 | Tanktalus | Mamarok: thanks |
| 17:42.41 | VaterGarp | Which means I almost always have this blue thing glancing at me and constantly changing size when I change applications making it even more disturbing |
| 17:43.51 | VaterGarp | Why doesn't it use the same style as Plasma's control panels? That was alright |
| 17:44.14 | Tanktalus | What's an "external menubar"? |
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| 17:46.10 | Mamarok | VaterGarp: I was also wondering, what do you mean by external menu bar? |
| 17:46.34 | VaterGarp | The menubar is displayed not inside the application but in a bar which is only displayed once you move your mouse to the top of the screen |
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| 17:47.23 | VaterGarp | See http://beinghacked.blogspot.de/2013/02/how-to-enable-new-kde-410-appmenu-title.html |
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| 17:48.19 | Mamarok | ah, OK, didn't enable that |
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| 17:48.54 | VaterGarp | I really like it and have been using it for a while using a plasmoid that I could just place inside a standard Plasma control panel |
| 17:49.11 | VaterGarp | But now the package for that is marked as deprecated or so |
| 17:49.37 | VaterGarp | So I'd rather have KDE's setup be a bit more reasonable |
| 17:50.01 | VaterGarp | I don't know why the glowing style wheel was reinvented here |
| 17:50.06 | Mamarok | min only glows when I am on it |
| 17:50.12 | Mamarok | mine* |
| 17:50.23 | Mamarok | just enabled it, and it behaves as it should |
| 17:50.41 | VaterGarp | At what distance does it start to glow? |
| 17:50.45 | VaterGarp | Ca.? |
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| 17:50.57 | Mamarok | well, when I hover over it, else it doesn't glow |
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| 17:51.18 | VaterGarp | There's no small, blue bar? |
| 17:51.27 | Mamarok | nope |
| 17:51.34 | VaterGarp | Now that's strange |
| 17:51.37 | VaterGarp | Does it have a background? |
| 17:51.43 | VaterGarp | Or is the background fully transparent? |
| 17:51.59 | Mamarok | but mabye it depends on the app, neither konvi nor Chrome do glow other than on hover |
| 17:52.22 | Mamarok | no, my background is not transparent |
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| 17:52.28 | VaterGarp | No, the app shouldn't have anything to do with that |
| 17:53.03 | Mamarok | maybe try with a clean config folder? |
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| 17:54.13 | VaterGarp | Hm |
| 17:54.39 | VaterGarp | That would be the traditional KDE way of solving update problems… |
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| 17:54.59 | VaterGarp | I'm not even sure what config files I'd have to delete |
| 17:55.05 | Mamarok | I always start a major upgrade by erasing the configs |
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| 17:56.00 | VaterGarp | No way, I don't want to start configuring everything all over again |
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| 17:59.53 | BluesKaj | no menubar with mouse-over the titlebar here , that setting took away my menubar completely now |
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| 18:02.33 | VaterGarp | What do you mean, mouse-over the titlebar? |
| 18:02.41 | VaterGarp | It should be at the top of the screen |
| 18:04.10 | Kakadu | Hey. I've heard that many plasma widgets are being ported to QML right now. Where can I get status report about porting plasma-applet-networkmanager? |
| 18:04.53 | BluesKaj | there's also the the 'Titlebar button" , that's whatI meant, VaterGarp , the top of the screen menubar works , but I don't care for it |
| 18:05.28 | VaterGarp | Ah, but it only shows after clicking on it, not hovering, right? |
| 18:05.45 | BluesKaj | it doesn't show at all here |
| 18:06.04 | BluesKaj | I prefer the in application settin g anyway |
| 18:06.30 | VaterGarp | Hm, bummer :) |
| 18:06.50 | VaterGarp | That new preview scrollbar in Kate is pure genius |
| 18:06.58 | VaterGarp | Whoever had that idea: nice! |
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| 18:08.06 | VaterGarp | The nofitier plasmoid looks a lot better as wellll |
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| 18:09.22 | roasted | Is there any way to make the super key the key that opens kmenu? My Unity side has me hooked. If I can get that on KDE I would be in a much happier place. |
| 18:09.50 | thiago | roasted: yes, but you need to change your X settings first |
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| 18:10.03 | thiago | roasted: you need to remap that key to a different keycode, like F13 |
| 18:10.05 | VaterGarp | No standard way in KDE itself, I think, I once read a blogpost about why it isn't/cannot be made default that easliy |
| 18:10.18 | thiago | then you can't use it as Super |
| 18:11.18 | roasted | hmm, perhaps it's not really worth it. I don't want it to get fussy or conflict with anything else. |
| 18:11.27 | thiago | the official shortcut is Alt+F1 |
| 18:11.31 | thiago | has been since 1997 |
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| 18:11.49 | roasted | maybe I should just put it to be like, super + z |
| 18:11.55 | VaterGarp | Maybe there's another key you don't need |
| 18:11.55 | roasted | should be an easy enough habit to pick up |
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| 18:12.17 | roasted | I am downright baffled with 4.10. |
| 18:12.37 | roasted | Don't get me wrong, I always had a soft spot for KDE from 4.4 on up. but dang 4.10 is impressive. |
| 18:12.48 | roasted | 4.10 just might sink me in as a full time user |
| 18:13.05 | VaterGarp | What is it that changed? |
| 18:13.05 | Sho_ | roasted: I share your feeling, I think it was our best release cycle in years |
| 18:13.13 | Sho_ | A lot of stuff just came together for this one |
| 18:14.39 | roasted | I'm just very impressed with the speed and how clean everything feels. I'm also not having things crash like it did last I used KDE. |
| 18:14.58 | roasted | I gained a substantial amount of speed with KDE 4.10 over Unity, and quite honestly, I love Unity and find it very responsive. |
| 18:15.31 | roasted | I click a PDF and it's just open. Instantly. Right there, that PDF is then open. Things like that I took notice of. |
| 18:15.48 | VaterGarp | I guess it's time for a new set configs then |
| 18:15.54 | Sho_ | There's a lot of performance work in 4.10 on various stuff -- Nepomuk has made especially impressive gains |
| 18:16.49 | Sho_ | As for the PDFs, Okular has finally gotten tiled rendering support, so you can actually zoom beyond 800% now :) That was locked before because it was rasterizing entire pages instead of just what's visible in the viewport, so the memory usage was idiotic |
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| 18:17.15 | Tanktalus | yeah, some stuff is improved, but kmail filtering doesn't entirely work for me anymore :P |
| 18:17.38 | VaterGarp | It hasn't been working for me for quite some releases now |
| 18:17.58 | Tanktalus | it worked in 4.9.5/akonadi 1.8.1, but not 4.10.1/1.9.0 |
| 18:17.59 | VaterGarp | It will filter when I manually tell it to do so, so there's nothing wrong with the filters |
| 18:18.01 | Sho_ | 4.10 is actually the release I've finally been able to switch to KMail now, too :) It's IMAP performance wasn't acceptable f or me before, but since the recent PIM sprint and the IMAP rework it just flies |
| 18:18.05 | Sho_ | I do server-side filtering, tho |
| 18:18.23 | VaterGarp | And most emails will get filtered |
| 18:18.29 | VaterGarp | But some won't, no pattern there |
| 18:18.34 | Tanktalus | Of course, then there was the plasma-desktop crash on start :) |
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| 18:18.50 | Tanktalus | VaterGarp: yeah, my spam-to-trash filter worked. Every time. Even when it wasn't a match :( |
| 18:19.01 | Sho_ | Tanktalus: Oops, not a good first impression indeed :) |
| 18:19.26 | Tanktalus | Sho_: yeah, had to get a fix for qt-core for that, which the Qt guys don't want to apply. :( |
| 18:19.39 | VaterGarp | Tanktalus: I like my plasma-desktop crashes on shutdown, I much prefer that |
| 18:19.48 | Sho_ | Tanktalus: Sounds interesting, got a qt bug number? |
| 18:19.49 | Tanktalus | I haven't shut down yet :) |
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| 18:20.03 | Sho_ | hasn't had Plasma crashes since the beta, fwiw :) |
| 18:20.20 | Sho_ | And the Pastebin plasmoid no longer locks up the desktop randomly as it did in 4.7-4.9 ;) |
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| 18:20.35 | Tanktalus | Sho_: https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-29082 |
| 18:21.17 | Sho_ | Tanktalus: thanks |
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| 18:21.24 | VaterGarp | I had them with 4.9, maybe it got fixed, but it appeared only recently, so I don't think it's the code itself |
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| 18:23.34 | VaterGarp | Hey, another bug got fixed: when moving the mouse over to another monitor and right-clicking, the first click never worked |
| 18:23.36 | VaterGarp | Now it does |
| 18:24.00 | VaterGarp | I got so used to it, it feels like something's missing :'( |
| 18:24.03 | Tanktalus | I never noticed that bug before :) |
| 18:24.09 | VaterGarp | It feels like a bug now |
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| 18:24.45 | Tanktalus | The buttons in the notification tray don't work either :( But right now I'm most concerned with filtering. |
| 18:26.21 | VaterGarp | You'll get used to that too, don't worry |
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| 18:27.57 | Tanktalus | Not with the number of mailing lists I get :-( |
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| 18:30.52 | VaterGarp | Time to think about your unhealthy need for communication then |
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| 18:36.41 | BluesKaj | VaterGarp, perhaps you could take a lesson or 2 in communication with others :) |
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| 19:12.27 | miebster_atwork | Okay I really would like some help with this, it should be really easy, I have a shell script http://www.bpaste.net/show/mhJN3bNnFUPktXVfBt0S/ It works from the terminal |
| 19:12.34 | miebster_atwork | it doens't work when I launch it from KDE menu |
| 19:12.52 | miebster_atwork | the echo prints a blank line, so its not even line 3 thats a problem, why when launched from KDE menu does the .myenv not source? |
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| 19:18.50 | james147 | miebster_atwork: add #!/bin/bash to the top of the file and use $HOME rather then ~ |
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| 19:23.15 | ank3but | http://www.imagebanana.com/view/m47xkbqg/wrong.png After Update from 4.9 to 4.10; Before everything rendered okay. |
| 19:23.29 | ank3but | Also Affects KDE Menü |
| 19:23.30 | miebster_atwork | james147: we almost came to the same conclusion in ##linux, but it didn't work |
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| 19:24.42 | ank3but | Any idea how can i fix this? |
| 19:25.18 | ChrJim | ank3but: had the same issue, but it went away on its own :S. I think it did when I disabled and re-enabled desktop effects. |
| 19:25.49 | ank3but | ChrJim: No it wont here :( |
| 19:25.56 | ank3but | ChrJim: Really the same? |
| 19:26.17 | ChrJim | ank3but: exactly the same. |
| 19:26.20 | Zaister | Any idea why my KDE 4.10 Kate wouldn't load the hlselection plugin? |
| 19:26.26 | ank3but | I removed the .kde4 directory. Hmmm. |
| 19:26.36 | ank3but | But doesnt work. |
| 19:26.50 | ChrJim | ank3but: I tried that too, no change. As I said, it went away on its own |
| 19:27.11 | ChrJim | Zaister: see bug #314530. |
| 19:27.20 | ank3but | After re-login? |
| 19:27.23 | Zaister | ah, thanks |
| 19:27.33 | rdieter | ank3but: rm -fv "`kde4-config --path cache`/"*.kcache |
| 19:27.50 | rdieter | ank3but: (ie, force refresh of existing plasma pixmap caches) |
| 19:27.57 | rdieter | and restart plasma/session |
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| 19:28.18 | ank3but | rdieter: If this work....!!! |
| 19:28.19 | ank3but | :) |
| 19:28.32 | skribblezatcha | whats up peoples. |
| 19:28.37 | ank3but | rdieter: How to restart plasma session? |
| 19:28.53 | ChrJim | and there's a logical explanation, thanks rdieter. |
| 19:29.30 | ank3but | rdieter: Relogin. |
| 19:29.34 | ank3but | later... |
| 19:29.39 | rdieter | ank3but: logout/login . :) |
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| 19:32.03 | nieDaZ | kquitapp plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop? :v |
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| 19:33.02 | ank3but | rdieter: Hello, not everything is fixed: |
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| 19:33.48 | ank3but | rdieter: ChrJim: http://www.imagebanana.com/view/upuba28i/wrong1.png |
| 19:34.09 | ank3but | Plasmoids have ugly border. |
| 19:35.17 | rdieter | ank3but: closer :-/ |
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| 19:36.30 | ank3but | Please, i love KDE, help me! |
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| 19:39.01 | ank3but | Is this the original look of KDE panel, in my screenshot for 4.10? |
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| 19:40.21 | Zaister | Another 4.10 Kate issue: when first opening the terminal widget, Kate does not switch the path to the directory of the current file, and will not even switch when changing to a different file in the same directory. Only when you load a file from a different directory, it will resume to work as it should. Is that a known issue? |
| 19:40.39 | rdieter | ank3but: another thing to try, switch plasma themes away from air, and back. |
| 19:40.39 | ChrJim | ank3but: no, yours is way too transparent. |
| 19:41.24 | rdieter | ah, ChrJim comment tickles a memory of someone reporting that their transparency values got bumped to 100% |
| 19:41.46 | rdieter | looks for where that setting is (oxygen-settings ?) |
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| 19:43.35 | ChrJim | System Settings -> Workspace Appearance -> Desktop Theme -> Details |
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| 19:45.30 | rdieter | finds nothing. :-/ |
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| 19:46.42 | ChrJim | hm, true. That's not it. |
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| 19:47.37 | skribblezatcha | rdieter: system settings, workspace appearance. |
| 19:47.40 | Aristide | Hi ! |
| 19:48.10 | Aristide | I have a problem with Notify. Notify don't appear in tooltip, but in a rectangle >< |
| 19:48.23 | skribblezatcha | if you are talking about the application appearance: system settings, application appearance. |
| 19:48.40 | rdieter | i don't see anything there mentioning transparency |
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| 19:49.18 | skribblezatcha | o ok..i see what you are talking about now..one sec rdieter. |
| 19:49.40 | rdieter | Aristide: do you have a notifier widget active? |
| 19:49.49 | Aristide | Yes rdieter |
| 19:49.56 | skribblezatcha | system settings, desktop effects. |
| 19:50.01 | Aristide | Notification Widget is on my Desktop |
| 19:50.23 | skribblezatcha | tell me when you are there rdieter. |
| 19:50.39 | rdieter | skribblezatcha: ok |
| 19:50.41 | rdieter | now what? |
| 19:51.05 | ank3but | I do "rm -fv "`kde4-config --path cache`/"*" instead of "rm -fv "`kde4-config --path cache`/"*.kcache" the result is: http://www.imagebanana.com/view/ypysv2zh/wrong.png Now Transparancy is not present |
| 19:51.06 | rdieter | ah, translucency effect? |
| 19:51.09 | skribblezatcha | ok..now go down til you see "transparency"..and then click on the wrench..tell me when you are there. |
| 19:51.47 | ChrJim | Zaister: I can confirm this behavior. I don't think it's reported. |
| 19:51.48 | skribblezatcha | translucency..sorry. |
| 19:52.03 | rdieter | ank3but: so, something else in there eh? |
| 19:52.11 | rdieter | besides just .kcache to blame |
| 19:52.38 | ank3but | rdieter: Iam confused. |
| 19:52.42 | skribblezatcha | do you see it rdieter? |
| 19:52.47 | rdieter | skribblezatcha: yes, thanks |
| 19:52.56 | skribblezatcha | ok cool..you are very welcome. |
| 19:52.57 | Zaister | ChrJim: should I submit a bug report? |
| 19:53.01 | rdieter | ank3but: so you deleted everything in there (*), not just *.kcache |
| 19:53.46 | ank3but | I know. But KDE must generate, fresh default files?! So it must work perfectly, trnsparent too?! |
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| 19:53.56 | ank3but | Why not... |
| 19:54.22 | messerting | Hi, I'm looking for some okay hardware that I can throw plasma active on. Any experiences? I'd like to have something that actually works, but don't mind fiddling a bit initially. |
| 19:54.27 | ChrJim | Zaister: I'm looking through kate's git logs, trying to figure out if it's a kate issue or a konsolepart issue. |
| 19:54.29 | Aristide | Nothing solution for fix my problem ? :( |
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| 19:54.45 | Zaister | ChrJim: ah ok, I'll hold then, thanks |
| 19:54.52 | ank3but | rdieter: So how to real FIX this? |
| 19:54.53 | ank3but | :( |
| 19:55.43 | ChrJim | ank3but: tried disabling and re-enabling effects again? |
| 19:56.09 | ank3but | ChrJim: yes, no change. |
| 19:56.19 | ank3but | Un-transparent. |
| 19:56.34 | ank3but | 21:53 -!- joelw [~joel@CPE001b63f4251d-CM0012254317a0.cpe.net.cable.rogers |
| 19:56.39 | ank3but | http://www.imagebanana.com/view/ypysv2zh/wrong.png |
| 19:57.27 | rdieter | ank3but: not sure... yet. |
| 19:57.49 | ank3but | Iam lost, i have no idea how can i solve this :( |
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| 19:58.42 | rdieter | ank3but: this = what now? the broken plasma elements issue is fixed, isn't it? |
| 19:59.12 | ank3but | Its fixed. But look at this: http://www.imagebanana.com/code/ypysv2zh/wrong.png NO tranparency on the menu and panel. Damn. |
| 19:59.17 | ank3but | - Damn |
| 19:59.32 | rdieter | ok, separate issue. check the desktop effects translucency effect |
| 19:59.41 | rdieter | (and/or possibly blur effect as well) |
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| 20:01.08 | ank3but | rdieter: Blur is not supported on my Hardware. |
| 20:01.51 | ank3but | rdieter: I disabled everytime. But in KDE 4.9 its not affect on the tranparency, and before i do your given command the transparency is given. |
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| 20:04.13 | roasted | Question - I'm messing with the KDE panel. I want the clock in the right side, but everything in the panel defaults to be left justified. Why is this? I want the icons, notification area, clock, etc to favor the right side. |
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| 20:04.37 | cardio | Hello ! I have just installed KDE SC 4.10 on OpenSuse and I must say, you done a very good job ! I can feel much faster responsiveness and it works quite well in other aspects too. Thank you very much :) |
| 20:05.04 | Aristide | Hi again, I repeat my Question : I don't have notifications in tooltip... A ugly rectangle appear >< |
| 20:05.38 | cb400f | using the default plasma theme? |
| 20:05.50 | cb400f | tried with desktop effects off? |
| 20:05.55 | Aristide | cb400f: Me ? |
| 20:05.57 | cb400f | yes |
| 20:06.09 | ChrJim | Zaister: I think it's a regression caused by the fix of bug #303346. See commit ac0e8b. |
| 20:06.17 | Aristide | chronos: I try again |
| 20:06.32 | chronos | sry? |
| 20:06.34 | Aristide | Desktop effect are disable, but problem is again here |
| 20:06.41 | Aristide | chronos: Sorry tab fail x) |
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| 20:07.44 | Aristide | Same problem cb400f |
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| 20:10.50 | chronos | Aristide: np :) |
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| 20:13.54 | ank3but | http://www.imagebanana.com/view/ypysv2zh/wrong.png Please, how can i fix it. |
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| 20:14.44 | ank3but | i delete all kde related stuff. loged in, in a fresh session, nothing works. The transparenty is lost. |
| 20:15.04 | ank3but | Can you say me the paths who kde stores config files? |
| 20:15.16 | rdieter | ank3but: ~/.kde/share/config |
| 20:15.19 | cardio | http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/Configuration_Files |
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| 20:16.08 | Zaister | ChrJim: yes that seems quite possible |
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| 20:16.38 | ank3but | rdieter: There is no such file or directory, you mean .kde_4_ |
| 20:17.00 | cb400f | depends on your distro |
| 20:17.30 | cardio | ank3but, http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/KDE_Filesystem_Hierarchy#Location_of_the_Directory_Trees |
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| 20:17.48 | rdieter | ank3but: output of this then, kde4-config --path config |
| 20:17.54 | ChrJim | Zaister: I'm trying to come up with a patch. Doesn't look too complicated. |
| 20:17.56 | rdieter | ~/.kde is default, but some distros change it |
| 20:17.56 | apt | ...but /.kde is already something else... |
| 20:18.21 | ank3but | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.25 | ank3but | is this a good idea? |
| 20:19.10 | cb400f | nope |
| 20:19.21 | Zaister | ChrJim: should I submit? |
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| 20:19.50 | ank3but | before i do this: rm -fv "`kde4-config --path cache`/"*, Tranparancy was working.... |
| 20:20.29 | ank3but | but not the borders of plasmoids or dialogs. |
| 20:20.47 | ank3but | now borders works but not transparancy. |
| 20:21.02 | ChrJim | Zaister: sure. If can provide a patch, I'll reference your bug report. |
| 20:21.21 | Zaister | ok |
| 20:21.35 | roasted | cb400f: was that direced at me? |
| 20:22.16 | Zaister | The bug form doesn't offer Kate's current version for selectiion, by the way. |
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| 20:23.36 | Zaister | ChrJim: Bug #314710 |
| 20:24.00 | rdieter | ank3but: restart your session again? |
| 20:24.39 | ChrJim | Zaister: nice job. |
| 20:24.47 | ank3but | rdieter: I dont changed something. |
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| 20:24.59 | Zaister | ChrJim: you're welcome :) |
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| 20:25.20 | roasted | This panel is raging me. |
| 20:25.32 | ank3but | in the last re-login i removed .kde4 and /var/tmp/*kdestuff* |
| 20:25.35 | roasted | Why does it default to the left. Why do I not have the option to change that. |
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| 20:27.23 | rdieter | roasted: you can move the panel almost anywhere you want |
| 20:27.34 | roasted | rdieter: I got that. |
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| 20:27.39 | rdieter | (doesn't default to left either, fwiw) |
| 20:27.46 | Qwc | hey m8ts, what could be the problem when my window decorators are gone in kde 4.10 ? |
| 20:27.53 | roasted | rdieter: but I want the contents of the panel to default to the right. They're currently defaulting to the left. |
| 20:28.08 | roasted | rdieter: right now everything is crammed to the left, with a chunk of open space on the right. I want them right justified. |
| 20:28.24 | rdieter | roasted: oh, not the panel itself, but the alignment of the items in task manager eh? |
| 20:28.38 | roasted | It's not just the task manager. It's the notification area, the clock, etc. |
| 20:29.01 | ank3but | KDE is big, i dont know how to beginn to debug to my problem... |
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| 20:29.13 | roasted | The only way I can align them to the right is to add a spacer, which is obvious that a spacer exists, so it's kind of a facepalm. |
| 20:29.21 | rdieter | ank3but: did you check the translucence desktop effect settings ? |
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| 20:29.55 | Qwc | ah okay, some 3d problem o.O |
| 20:29.59 | ank3but | rdieter: Yes, enabled and normal. |
| 20:30.32 | roasted | rdieter: here's my goal. This is a screenshot of my desktop slightly modified - http://ompldr.org/vaGVldw/snapshot8.png |
| 20:30.32 | rdieter | ank3but: ok, we mentioned blur before, pretty sure that one is required for panel transluceny |
| 20:30.40 | roasted | rdieter: take note of the clock in the upper right. |
| 20:30.57 | roasted | rdieter: see how skype and clementine are open? If I open more things, it shoves the clock off of the screen to the right. |
| 20:31.08 | ank3but | rdieter: NO! in 4.9 AND 4.10 without blur i have transparancy. |
| 20:31.12 | rdieter | meh, I think there's bigger things to worry about than that |
| 20:31.25 | roasted | rdieter: since things are left justified, they seem to "expand" to the right accordingly. What I want instead is to have things go from right to left, not left to right. |
| 20:31.28 | ank3but | i removed that stuff in /var/tmp |
| 20:31.34 | ank3but | now no transparaenty. |
| 20:32.01 | rdieter | ank3but: my experience is otherwise, but ymmv. on my boxes that support blur, I get transparent panel. on boxes that don't support blur, no transparent panel |
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| 20:32.50 | ank3but | rdieter: Belive me i have/had |
| 20:33.49 | rdieter | ank3but: ok, nevermind, just tried disabling blur effect, and my panel stayed transparent. go figure. :-/ |
| 20:34.25 | ank3but | rdieter: Okay i enabled the slim glow theme |
| 20:34.34 | cb400f | yep.. for a transparent panel you need compositing support, desktop effects enabled.. and a transparent plasma theme |
| 20:34.41 | rdieter | and disabling translucncy made no difference either |
| 20:34.42 | ank3but | now its tranparancy on it own. |
| 20:34.54 | ank3but | But the default theme is not tranparanet, |
| 20:35.05 | rdieter | ank3but: I've been using default air theme (which does support transparency) |
| 20:35.23 | ank3but | Normaly yes. |
| 20:35.23 | ank3but | :_( |
| 20:35.25 | ank3but | I give up. |
| 20:35.39 | cb400f | have you restarted plasma this year? |
| 20:35.49 | ank3but | 1000 x |
| 20:35.52 | cb400f | sometimes when you switch plasma theme a lot things go weird |
| 20:36.00 | roasted | ;/ |
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| 20:36.07 | cb400f | (until restart) |
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| 20:36.56 | ank3but | the plasmoid themes, wich package name? |
| 20:37.23 | ank3but | forget it |
| 20:37.25 | ank3but | ... |
| 20:37.29 | ank3but | my pc is to old. |
| 20:37.34 | ank3but | anno 2004 |
| 20:37.37 | ank3but | :< |
| 20:38.15 | Wizard | ank3but: To old for what? |
| 20:38.20 | roasted | is there any way to make a panel spacer 100% transparent? |
| 20:38.48 | roasted | the spacer looks ridiculous with having it shaded in with two bars at the end |
| 20:38.52 | ank3but | Wizard: Nothing. |
| 20:38.53 | ank3but | :( |
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| 20:39.21 | lainlives | roasted: themeing maybe? |
| 20:39.28 | messerting | No one with experiences with Plasma Active on some consumer available hardware? |
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| 20:39.39 | roasted | lainlives: stays same/similar no matter what I choose |
| 20:40.06 | lainlives | also, is there a KDE themeing guide |
| 20:40.58 | Qwc | argh, normal desktop mode and here and there flickering, and black panels .. HELL whats going on here? when i turn effects on all window decorations are gone and my desktop is f*** up... (kde 4.10) nvidia 313.18-2 ... some hints anyone? |
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| 20:41.52 | roasted | so nobody knows how to right justify the items in a taskbar? |
| 20:41.57 | lainlives | Qwc: do the FOSS drivers do it? |
| 20:42.10 | lainlives | roasted: hmm thats a good question actually |
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| 20:42.22 | roasted | It's raging me like you cannot believe. |
| 20:42.26 | lainlives | i have no issue since i have a task manager between the left and right on both my monitors |
| 20:42.35 | lainlives | but id like to know that as well for future reference |
| 20:42.37 | Qwc | for playing tf2 ... i dont know, I'ld keep the nvidia drivers if possible ... :/ |
| 20:42.40 | roasted | I'm surrounded by advanced customization that works beautifully yet I have one of the most ridiculous show stopping items here. |
| 20:42.45 | ank3but | Good old 4.9 :< |
| 20:43.21 | Qwc | would have to build a new xorg.conf >.< |
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| 20:43.28 | Qwc | for foss drivers |
| 20:43.47 | lainlives | Qwc: because for some reason that sounsd like a driver issue |
| 20:44.00 | roasted | it almost looks like the widgets are dependent upon the task manager existing in order to align properly |
| 20:44.08 | roasted | which, I do n't want the task manager, because I have that in another panel on the left |
| 20:44.10 | Qwc | damn it |
| 20:44.11 | lainlives | roasted: inorite |
| 20:44.41 | roasted | either right align or a 100% transparent spacer, and we'd be in a winning position here. |
| 20:44.59 | Qwc | i'll try to reinstall nvidia maybe something's just f**ked up |
| 20:45.14 | lainlives | roasted: how about make panel small then justify the panel itself to the right? unless there is no option to make tiny panels anymore like older KDE |
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| 20:45.35 | roasted | lainlives: the panel is justified to the right. making it small makes no difference. |
| 20:46.05 | roasted | right justifying the panel isn't what I want |
| 20:46.10 | roasted | I want to right justify the widgets in the panel |
| 20:46.14 | roasted | but that seems to be asking for too much |
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| 20:46.24 | lainlives | well i meant of making the panel smaller to be 'just the right size' was possible |
| 20:46.45 | lainlives | i agree lack of widget justify is annoying |
| 20:46.49 | roasted | lainlives: I can do that, but then if I open more apps that have notification icons, like clementine, skype, etc., they eventually fill up and push the clock off of the screen where I can'tview it. |
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| 20:47.11 | roasted | lainlives: but if I could have it right justified, the clock could be perma-planted, and then it just builds off to the left (center of the screen) which is fine. |
| 20:47.40 | lainlives | bugreport/feature request i suppose |
| 20:47.48 | roasted | lainlives: check this screenshot : http://ompldr.org/vaGVldw/snapshot8.png |
| 20:48.01 | ank3but | There is no alternative to KDE, just Gnome(dont work while not supported trough my graphic card) |
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| 20:48.14 | roasted | lainlives: see how the smaller panel on the right is lined up perfectly |
| 20:48.26 | roasted | lainlives: if I open more apps that have notification bar icons, the clock disappears to the right |
| 20:48.37 | roasted | lainlives: I'd rather it to the opposite - push to the left, to the center of the screen |
| 20:48.44 | roasted | lainlives: that big bar by the way is on auto hide. |
| 20:48.50 | ank3but | good by |
| 20:48.51 | ank3but | e |
| 20:48.53 | lainlives | roasted: yea i completely understand what you mean |
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| 20:48.59 | roasted | although I think I just might be left justifying it to be more like unity. |
| 20:49.10 | roasted | I absolutely freakin love Unity, but KDE just feels... solid. faster, customizable, etc. |
| 20:49.15 | roasted | combining the two might be a win for what I'm after. |
| 20:49.52 | lainlives | i LOVE KDE but like all software it has its shortcommings |
| 20:49.53 | roasted | problem is I can't have the two panels touching or they'll overlap. Like the top panel will overlap the launcher on the left unity-esque panel. |
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| 20:50.01 | lainlives | also BBL sorry i couldnt help your issue roasted |
| 20:50.09 | roasted | maybe the best bet is to downsize the left panel since its on autohide anyway |
| 20:50.14 | roasted | and just keep the top panel 100% of the space |
| 20:50.19 | lainlives | if i could have i would have done everything in my power to do as such :) |
| 20:50.26 | lainlives | but now i must get my kid sister from school |
| 20:50.27 | roasted | but wait, that doesn't matter, because I would need to use a spacer to justify it to the right and the spacer looks ridiculous |
| 20:50.31 | roasted | farewell |
| 20:50.41 | roasted | I'm just going to senselessly babble until someone in here catches on with an idea :D |
| 20:51.04 | lainlives | roasted: do as such :) worked for features/bugs ice complained about |
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| 20:56.54 | roasted | here friends. look at my lolable spacer in my panel - http://ompldr.org/vaGVnYw/snapshot10.png |
| 20:57.00 | roasted | WHAT IS THAT |
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| 20:59.37 | roasted | so, it seems as if I suck |
| 20:59.44 | roasted | logging out and back in made it fully transparent <_< |
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| 21:01.09 | Wizard | :D |
| 21:01.19 | roasted | I wonder if the auto hide sensitivity is adjustable... |
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| 21:10.41 | Qwc | lainlives, a reset of the .kde4 dir did the thing ;) |
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| 21:12.50 | mparodi | Hey guys |
| 21:12.56 | mparodi | KDE is not saving my settings |
| 21:13.10 | mparodi | every time the system boots I have to change the resolution of my second monitor, for example |
| 21:13.58 | messerting | mparodi: You might want to try 'kscreen' |
| 21:14.34 | messerting | It is a new (unstable?) replacement of the krandr monitor manager (or whatever it is called) |
| 21:14.54 | mparodi | is it a known problem? |
| 21:15.55 | Verge | There's that "save default configuration" button in display settings |
| 21:16.15 | messerting | mparodi: don't know, but I had a problem with the standard monitor config tool, that when I use two monitors, and disable the internal monitor of my laptop, it is impossible to get a image if I boot my laptop with no external monitors attached.. |
| 21:16.55 | messerting | (had to delete krandrrc in ~/.kde/... to get my internal monitor back) |
| 21:16.59 | mparodi | I cna't find any "kscreen" in my repos |
| 21:17.05 | mparodi | is it the name? |
| 21:17.17 | Verge | It was released two days ago |
| 21:17.24 | Verge | So you could have to wait a few months |
| 21:17.29 | mparodi | what version of debian are you? |
| 21:17.33 | mparodi | lol |
| 21:17.42 | mparodi | I'm in testing |
| 21:17.51 | mparodi | err, I assumed you are in debian, but don't know |
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| 21:19.24 | messerting | mparodi: On one of my laptops I have kscreen-0.0.71-3.fc17.x86_64, but I haven't found and .deb yet |
| 21:20.16 | messerting | (that laptop is rpm based, Fedora 17) |
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| 21:25.01 | mparodi | I just found I can fix that editing xorg.conf |
| 21:25.32 | mparodi | do you think I will work if I add a "screen" section so I have separate screens in both monitors? |
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| 21:37.06 | ChrJim | nevermind, I found what resets it. |
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| 22:07.09 | Dyrvere | 4.10 is working great here. How's the mileage for you other people? |
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| 22:42.55 | immotus | wonders if the Nepomuk could live in his OwnCloud server |
| 22:43.12 | vHanda | discussions are going on |
| 22:43.19 | vHanda | there are lot of things to consider |
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| 23:11.05 | lainlives | i kinda wish F17's repos would get KDE 4.10 but i get the feeling they wont get it for another 3 months or so |
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| 23:11.48 | Wizard | lainlives: chakra-project.org |
| 23:12.18 | Wizard | Sorry for advertisment, but personally I find Chakra the best KDE distro. |
| 23:13.25 | lainlives | im liking my currently reliable desktop |
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| 23:15.29 | Wizard | Cool |
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