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02:05.45marmulakhey buddies
02:07.33ZorroTwaves
02:08.23freislot_RU_ruZorroT: hello my american friend =)
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02:09.45ZorroTwas just reading about a russian family who lived through wwii in siberia without knowing it had happened.
02:09.55ZorroTwaves to freislot
02:10.57binaryhatwhat pkg is desktop effects part of?
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02:12.37DaZworkspace.
02:14.09binaryhatkde-workspace?
02:15.05binaryhator kdebase-workspace
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02:15.26freislot_RU_rumy kde eat 536mb of 3gb without opened apps, is this normal?
02:16.40ZorroTyup
02:17.21ZorroTplasma applets and so on will consume memory, too
02:17.24freislot_RU_ruone russian user from linux.org.ru says that this is not normal ) stupid guy
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02:17.37ZorroTdepends on the configuration
02:17.47ZorroTyou could certainly streamline it
02:18.23ZorroTfreislot: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=97880
02:19.21freislot_RU_ruthx
02:19.54ZorroTis your internet service still expensive?
02:23.20freislot_RU_ruof course
02:23.25freislot_RU_ru=)
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02:24.13freislot_RU_ruas soon as in our region start new satelite in space internet will expensive
02:24.31ZorroTbe more expensive or less expensive?
02:24.58freislot_RU_ruless
02:25.35freislot_RU_rui read topic that you give, and think i need stop nepomuk
02:25.54freislot_RU_rubut i not sure really i need this
02:25.57ZorroTmeasure the memory, then disable it, wait a moment, and measure the memory again...
02:25.58DaZyou do.
02:26.20ZorroTi disabled it for reasons of speed, and am glad i did.
02:26.38freislot_RU_ruhow turn it off?
02:26.39freislot_RU_ru))
02:27.15ZorroTakonadictl stop && sleep 30s && qdbus org.kde.NepomukServer /nepomukserver quit
02:27.30ZorroTthat stops both nepomuk and akonadi
02:27.57DaZit'll start again though :
02:28.28ZorroTjust to measure and see how it impacts memory / speed, you'd not necessarily want to completely kill it the first time around, ja?
02:28.28ZorroT\
02:29.26freislot_RU_rui do this command memory usage down to 407 mb
02:29.32DaZi can't think of any reason why someone would want to leave it.
02:29.33freislot_RU_ruit was 530
02:29.49DaZthe mysql session is probably still there :v
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02:34.56freislotmy wifi router kick me )))
02:35.14freislotbut akonadi and nepomuk dont start again  should they start after 30 second after i do command akonadictl stop && sleep 30s && qdbus org.kde.NepomukServer /nepomukserver quit?
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02:36.54DaZfreislot: they shouldn't it stops nepomuk 30 seconds after akonadi, not starts it :v
02:37.01DaZakonadi starts automatically when something needs it.
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02:37.10freislotunderstand
02:37.46freislotafter reboot should i use thos command again?
02:37.51freislotthis*
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02:38.50DaZno, you can disable nepomuk in systemsettings->desktop search
02:39.01DaZas for akonadi, dunnolol, i just chmod the binaries :v
02:39.50freislot_RU-ruok
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02:41.11freislot_RU-ruhow disable all desktop effects? my notebook very warm i use open drivers for my videocard (its ati radeon mobility 4300)
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02:41.56freislot_RU-rui can fry eggs on my notebook )))
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02:45.44ZorroToh no.
02:45.55ZorroTis the fan working well?
02:45.59DaZat least you won't freeze :v
02:46.13ZorroT:-)
02:46.52dk0reffing, pacman.. -Syu! -Syu!
02:49.00freislot_RU-rufan work well
02:49.20freislot_RU-rui clean all parts in my notebook
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02:56.30robertzaccouranyone else having Kdenlive crash when you click render?
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03:11.39robertzaccourKdenlive crashes whenever I click render. Is this a known bug?
03:11.46robertzaccouranyone else having Kdenlive crash when you click render?
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07:13.02drhouse123hi! kde 4.10 still rc3 or it's already stable ?
07:13.51drhouse123i'm waiting it in gentoo
07:15.20sungamidrhouse123: the sources are available on ftp.kde.org. So if you've got the ebuilds, you should be able to build 4.10 already.
07:15.48drhouse123sungami: yes, ok :)
07:15.58drhouse123sungami: thanks
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08:04.14jMCgHey there o/~
08:04.55jMCgI'm trying to onfigure korganizer to use a remote caldav/ics resource and failing, unfortunately, it's not being very verbose on the errors.
08:04.58jMCghttp://i.imgur.com/f9jeTBM.png
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08:40.38takis_GRhello. who can tell me the required groups for a normal user in kde??
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08:47.32takis_GRhello. who can tell me the required groups for a normal user in kde??
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09:19.35takis_GRhello. who can tell me the required groups for a normal user in kde??
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09:44.34prootyhello. i have an applet that uses KStatusNotifierItem of PyKDE4. in arch linux with versions as such (Qt - 4.8.4, KDE Development Platform - 4.9.5) taken from kde4-config -v, it works.
09:45.25prootyhowever, in kubuntu 12.10 with versions (Qt - 4.8.3, KDE Development Platform - 4.9.98), it's not working. could anyone point me to how i can debug it?
09:45.49prootyhere's an example of the code: http://pastebin.com/Ayc9MZYh.
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09:57.44ZDroidHi!
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09:58.09ZDroidKDE 4.10 are now final or not?
09:59.13osinclair_ZDroid: final it is  check kde.org
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10:02.18drhouse123kwin crashes is often on my netbook with igma 3150, may be switching it to xrender solve it?
10:02.18ZDroidok
10:02.22ZDroidi checked
10:02.31ZDroid:)
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10:30.31rindolfHi all.
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10:30.49rindolfDoes anyone have an annoying KDE bug that I can try to reproduce?
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10:36.34_basic6here's what looks like a bug to me: in rekonq i set the start page ("when starting rekonq") to "open home page" which is google - but it still opens the fav page instead. i've also set it to open my home page when opening a new tab - this works.
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10:38.10vityaGuys, I have feature request: what about restore previous kde version after upgrading? I mean now I have kde 4.9.2. I want upgrade it to 4.10 soon, But if something will wrong or I just want to get back kde 4.9.2 - how can I do it?
10:38.20vityaIs it bad mind ?
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11:36.39KwpolskaCongrats on the new release!  Now, http://kde.org/announcements/4.10/plasma.php shows Plasma with a nice theme.  Is it a completely new theme?
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11:39.19jMCgI just discovered a "bug"
11:39.36Kwpolskaalso, the channel topic is outdated.
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12:35.56backjlackHello.
12:37.38backjlackI've been having problems with KDE 4.8.5/4.8.x and KDE 4.9.5 on Kubuntu 12.04. I've tried a few things already to try to find out why krunner isn't running (yes, ALT+F2 doesn't show the launch prompt) and why dbus related problems don't let me shutdown / sleep / log off.
12:38.17backjlackThe problem was temporarily fixed by removing the .kde folder from my home directory, then it came back.
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12:38.55backjlackI used to get these problems only from time to time, but now it looks like it's permanent. I haven't touched system config files and I've checked that dbus is running.
12:39.24Kwpolskabackjlack: KDE programs shit a lot of debug messages on the stderr.
12:39.30backjlackI've also checked whether some other packages related to kde and dbus are installed. dbus is also running.
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12:41.38ovidiu-florinhello world, I'm trying to copy an event in kontact calendar. How do I do that?
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12:43.13backjlackKwpolska: Yes, I've noticed that. However, figuring out what's fatal and what's not is difficult.
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12:44.58backjlackI can also reproduce the exact same problem on another system with Kubuntu 12.04.
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12:46.00backjlackI didn't touch any system configuration files outside of system settings on either of the two machines.
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13:23.33matipI still couldn't find how
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13:31.25BluesKajHey all
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13:32.31nyuszika7hKDE 4.10? nice
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13:34.53KwpolskaWhere are the appmenu settings for 4.10?
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13:41.43aboudreaultcan I disable totally that damn akonadi and all its process/app ?
13:42.10cb400fsure.. if you don't use any apps that require akonadi
13:42.34cb400fhttp://mschlander.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/disable-akonadi-in-kde-sc-4-7/
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13:42.46aboudreaultcb400f, everytime I open my computer... I got those processes eating 100% of my ram and 4 out of 8 of my cpus
13:42.55aboudreaultcb400f, thanks, will take a look at this
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13:43.50cb400fI don't think akonadi will go berserk unless you load it with data, so you're prolly using it for something... heavily too
13:44.18aboudreaultI'm awayre of anything I would use it for.
13:44.24aboudreault*not aware*
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13:49.52aboudreaultlooks like it was already disabled....... I disabled Nepomuk feeder search, which is one of the process that was totally leaking
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13:50.05aboudreaultwill see on the next reboot. In a month or so ;)
13:50.18cb400fnepomuk != akonadi
13:50.44cb400fakonadi = pim framework (kmail, korganizer etc. data)
13:50.47aboudreaultcb400f, yeah, not sure what they are in fact.
13:50.55cb400fnepomuk = desktop search/semantic desktop
13:51.04aboudreaultok, and nepomuk uses akonadi?
13:51.29cb400fnah, akonadi uses nepomuk for certain things (searching mails, contacts)
13:51.51cb400fbut lots of other stuff uses nepomuk.. e.g. dolphin, digikam, banagarang
13:52.09aboudreaultI see.
13:52.49cb400fgenerally nepomuk doesn't cause problems if you disable the indexer in my experience
13:53.05vHandathe indexer has improved a LOT in 4.10
13:53.14vHandaI don't think it should give any problems any more
13:53.18cb400fbut with the indexer activated it can cause problems, depening on the amount and type of data you have it indexing
13:55.13cb400fvHanda: I heard some rumours about a crash (a Qt bug?) of the indexer with 4.10
13:55.30vHandayeah. There is one
13:55.37vHandaI still haven't managed to figure it out.
13:56.00vHandaIt seems as though the file indexer process is running out of file descriptors. Weirdly enough, we only index 1 file at a time
13:56.03vHandaso I don't get it
13:57.25mr0wlAppMenu is awesome!
13:57.37mr0wlforces my GTK apps to look awesome too
14:00.03cb400fvHanda: anyways, the problem isn't usually the indexer itself, it's usually virtuoso running amuck when the indexer feeds it with too much stuff :-/
14:00.27vHandais currently optimizing that code only
14:00.37cb400fmaybe the indexer caused that of course.. I wouldn't know the details
14:00.53vHandano. The Nepomuk data model is just way too complex (read powerful)
14:00.58vHandaso pushing data is a little slow
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14:01.28vHandaI'm currently simplifying it for 4.11. We need the performance, and the added flexibility which the old model provided
14:01.37vHandahasn't even been used by anyone
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14:03.36cb400fif we could just avoid virtuoso going crazy using 100% cpu indefinitely, and have a more "full-featured" desktop search UI the world would be beautiful :-)
14:04.07vHandaright now ,during file indexing, virtuoso takes about 30-50% of one cpu
14:04.22vHandait manages to index about 10-20 files per second, which is decent
14:04.37vHandamight even index more on a production system
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14:35.24KwpolskaKDE 4.10 is thinking I have a floppy drive, which isn’t true.  How to fix that?
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14:36.42cb400fwhere do you see it?  ... and why is it even a problem?
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14:37.27Kwpolskacb400f: at boot in the “removable devices” applet, also in the places pane.
14:37.59cb400fhm.. in the places pane you could just hide it with a right click
14:38.20cb400fthe device notifier is weird... and you have no idea which device is being misinterpreted?
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14:38.37ovidiu-florinI got my KDE 4.10 yeeeeee https://plus.google.com/107178397249608926118/posts/jDzhxACKfGF
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14:39.12cb400fthough I doubt the issue is limited to kde... should think kde gets all this information from udisks
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14:47.07shevydoes kde suite have its own video player based on qt?
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14:47.33shevy(also same question with audio player ... or audio AND video player together)
14:47.43shevyI only know of amarok but I think that will play only audio
14:48.05cb400fkde sc comes with dragon player ... there are a bunch of others.. bangarang, kaffeine, kplayer, kmplayer
14:48.09cb400ffor video
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14:48.22shevyhmm
14:48.28cb400fthe kde sc audio player is juk.. of course there's also amarok
14:48.46igor012Hi,
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14:49.06MichaelP4.10 is supose to be released today right ?
14:49.12cb400f.. and a whole bunch of other nice Qt (non-kde) audio and video players exist... smplayer, umplayer, vlc, qmmp, tomahawk...
14:49.39igor012Is there a way to create a skeleton for any user logging into Kde for the first time ?
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14:50.22cb400figor012: editing the stuff in /etc/kde4/share/config/ I think
14:50.40cb400fmight be just /etc/kde/share.. on your system
14:51.06igor012cb400f: nothing in /etc/skel ?
14:51.56cb400fnot that I know of... but I only ever deal with single user systems
14:52.10igor012ok thanks i'll check
14:52.17cb400fso not an expert on the subject by any means
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14:56.44kalibHello guys. Just got an iphone 4s. Is there any app for kde that can connect to it and send music, photos, etc?
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14:58.05Crendgrimkalib: did you try Amarok?
14:58.45kalibReally? I have amarok in here.
14:58.48kalibLet me check it.
14:58.53kalibthanks
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15:06.24prootyhello. i have an applet that uses KStatusNotifierItem of PyKDE4. in arch linux with versions as such (Qt - 4.8.4, KDE Development Platform - 4.9.5) taken from kde4-config -v, it works.
15:06.29prootyhowever, in kubuntu 12.10 with versions (Qt - 4.8.3, KDE Development Platform - 4.9.98), it's not working. could anyone point me to how i can debug it?
15:06.33prootyhere's an example of the code: http://pastebin.com/Ayc9MZYh.
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15:19.48MirrakorIs there a special kdepim channel?
15:19.55cb400f#kontact
15:20.04beischerand for nepomuk? :)
15:20.05Mirrakorthank you
15:20.51cb400fdunno about nepomuk.. but if so it's prolly #nepomuk
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15:21.14cb400funless that channel is reserved by some czech dudes celebrating jan nepomucky
15:21.21beischerah ok
15:21.29beischerwell seems not to be a dedicated channel
15:21.43cb400fmaybe vHanda knows ;-)
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15:21.57beischerdoes anyone know how I can force the nepomuk fileindexer to rescan my home dir completely?
15:22.03beischerI tried
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15:22.17cb400f(re)moving the db would prolly do the trick ;-)
15:22.22beischerqdbus org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukfileindexer /nepomukfileindexer indexFolder $HOME 1 1
15:22.31beischeryes I did that
15:22.36beischerand now it just indexed about 15 files
15:22.40beischerwhile it 70.000 before
15:22.43beischer*had
15:22.50beischerand now it's idle and doing nothing.
15:22.53beischerthis is with 4.10 btw
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15:23.48cb400fis the system idle? .. maybe the indexer is waiting for the system to idle before it does its thing
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15:27.25KentrelIt used to take a screenshot, then show the image in the program, even if Shutter wasn't running
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16:21.56plotrany ideas how to start it or at least how to extract meaningful error out of it?
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16:29.35mparodido you know if it's possible to have the very same panel in two monitors? any way to clone/copy&paste it?
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16:31.20vyrgozunqkhello guys
16:31.38vyrgozunqki just want to congratulate you for the amazing 4.10 release ! It's amazing !
16:31.57mparodido you know if it's possible to have the very same panel in two monitors? any way to clone/copy&paste it?
16:32.24vyrgozunqkmparodi: i think you can create a second panel, and clone all the widgets
16:32.39mparodihow do you clone them?
16:32.42mparodiI couldn't find
16:32.56vyrgozunqkwell just make a new panel on the second monitor
16:32.58vyrgozunqkand add the desired widgets
16:33.15mparodithey're icons
16:33.32mparodiI would like to have something like a dock in both monitors
16:33.44vyrgozunqkyou mean the tray area ?
16:33.58mparodinop, a dock with apps to launch
16:34.13vyrgozunqkwell make a new panel and drag'n'drop desired apps
16:34.32vyrgozunqki think this would do the job
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16:42.06Crendgrimhi guys. Is there a way to make notifications auto-disappear after a while?
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16:42.33Crendgrimas it is right now, they just accumulate over time
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16:42.43Ivanabonjour
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16:42.55vyrgozunqkIvana: bonjourno
16:43.05vyrgozunqkздрасти
16:43.07vyrgozunqk:D
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16:49.46plotrvyrgozunqk:  привет :)
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16:50.27vyrgozunqkplotr: привет и на теб
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16:55.54WarKhello
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16:56.18WarKI have a question :)
16:56.37WarKwhich version of qt should I use with kde 4.10?
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16:58.46WarKis 4.8.3 ok or should I get 5?
17:01.24beischerhey, qt 4.8.3 is fine (even though there is also 4.8.4)
17:01.30beischerkde 4.10 won't work with qt5
17:01.41beischerthe development to port to qt5 is still ongoing
17:01.54beischer(as far as I know, I'm not a KDE developer)
17:02.02wskyso what qt5 will mean to kde4?
17:02.06Sho_That's correct
17:02.22Sho_We most likely won't release anything using Qt 5 before at least Qt 5.1
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17:02.56Sho_And yep, the latest version of Qt 4 is 4.8.4
17:03.03WarKbeischer:  I see, thanx
17:03.45Sho_wsky: Mostly a much-improved QML (the new UI system that debuted in Qt 4 that we're slowly porting much of the workspace too) and generally improved performance across the library
17:04.09wskycool.
17:04.16Sho_wsky: QML has gotten ported to a new graphics stack that is OpenGL-based, and the various QML lego blocks you get with Qt have become much more useful
17:04.37Sho_wsky: And then you have various performance and efficiency improvements in the core parts of Qt, etc.
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17:05.25Sho_wsky: But unlike Qt 3->4 the generational change this time is _mostly_ source-compatible so we don't have to do massive rewriting like last time :)
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17:05.51wskyok. good to know.
17:06.32Sho_wsky: That's why we're doing a much more incremental approach were we're already porting stuff to the Qt4 version of QML now with every new 4.x release, and development of the 5 libs has been going on in parallel for a while, and at some point we can just jump over to those libs and so to Qt 5 without much of a shakeup
17:06.34vyrgozunqkguys i just saw a rendering problem when KDE is set to "Native" rendering instead of raster... animations get lot slower and laggy
17:06.45vyrgozunqkthis is with latest fglrx
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17:07.46Sho_vyrgozunqk: Native means using XRender and fglrx has a notoriously shitty XRender accel implementation
17:07.51Sho_I'd recommend sticking to raster
17:08.16vyrgozunqkSho_: i see thank you
17:09.23VaterGarpTo whoever made the screenshots for the 4.10 release: thank you
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17:10.00vyrgozunqkSho_: if i set compositing type to Xrender instead of OpenGL, should i get some FPS boost in games, since the composition of the desktop wont rely on the graphics card ?
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17:10.10VaterGarpNo fifteen plasmoids including the notorious Notes plasmoid anymore
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17:11.37Sho_vyrgozunqk: Maybe, although the overhead isn't that huge, so unless you actually have a FPS problem I'd say don't bother. Also, if you play the games fullscreen, kwin's window/app rules settings allow you to auto-suspend compositing entirely while a particular app/window is running and to auto-resume it when it's gone again, that way you could cut compositing out entirely
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17:13.18vyrgozunqkSho_: i see then, thank you again. : ) - and yes the performance lacks everywhere, compared to windows... a 5 year old game like Killing Floor, who has native linux client is barely playable on low settings, compared to all maxed out on windows
17:13.24vyrgozunqkthats why i'm asking
17:13.30Sho_VaterGarp: Yeah they're pretty nice this time ... especially since the ones for 4.9 and 4.8 both had rendering bugs on the panel which was a tad embarassing ;)
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17:14.34Sho_vyrgozunqk: I recently bought a new PC, and one of the fun parts of that is that now I can game more without rebooting ... before I had games that would run correctly on Wine but were too slow vs. Windows, now the box has enough power that the Wine overhead doesn't matter :) Skyrim on Wine in 1920x1200 with Ultra High and hi-res texture pack runs smooth as butter ..
17:14.41Sho_now i just need to find time to play it!
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17:15.52vyrgozunqkSho_: :D i don't have 1500$ for that powerfull laptop
17:16.02vyrgozunqkand my laptop is mid-ranged
17:16.24Sho_vyrgozunqk: well my laptop is from 2004 and was slow when ibought it :)
17:16.28Sho_so i know that well ;)
17:16.38vyrgozunqkyeah :/
17:16.40Sho_and my old desktop was six years old too, it was time for an upgrade
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17:17.56vyrgozunqkyeah ... the overall performance difference between linux/windows feels more strong when you have old PC
17:18.37Sho_vyrgozunqk: well, the nvidia performance is similar between linux and windows, but wine simply is slower than windows since it has to translate d3d to opengl
17:19.19vyrgozunqkmy gpu is not one of tha fastest - radeon 6470M 1GB, but is fairly new and on win i can play most of the games , on linux ... feels like a 5 year old card... by my calculations is almost 40% slower
17:19.38vyrgozunqkwell i'm not talking about wine... i'm talking about native apps
17:20.08vyrgozunqklike Killing Floor, counter-strike 1.6 beta for linux, Team Fortress(source based).. Doom 3 and etc.
17:20.29WarKmy gpu is annoying me. It's an nvidia but something is wrong. I don't know if it's a bug in the proprietary blob or my hardware is faulty but the blob is just unusable for me. Good thing that nouveau works nicely for me :)
17:20.52WarKonly I can't really play games on nouveau
17:20.58vyrgozunqkWarK: nouveau is not working for you, it just renders your desktop :D
17:21.06WarKright
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17:21.12vyrgozunqkif you have a new nvidia, you probably have verry little 3D support
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17:21.34WarKbut it does it without crashing, something that the proprietary blob can't do
17:21.40vyrgozunqk:D
17:21.46vyrgozunqkwhat is your gpu?
17:21.49WarKwobbly windows work, that's the important thign :)
17:21.54vyrgozunqkhaha
17:21.57WarKgeforce 9500gt
17:21.59makismwhy in 4.10 the pager shows the icons only when the panel has a large height? :-(
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17:22.07vyrgozunqkstrange it works fine on my sister pc
17:22.09makismis there a way to override this behavior?
17:22.11vyrgozunqkshe has same gpi
17:22.13vyrgozunqkgpu*
17:22.47WarKvyrgozunqk:  it stopped working at 285.05.09 of the driver
17:23.00WarKI even tried installing Fedora but it fails as well.
17:23.08vyrgozunqkhmm maybe it's swapped to the legacy driver section
17:23.26WarKso it's either a hardware fault or a piculiar bug in the blob that gets triggered on my gpu
17:23.51Sho_vyrgozunqk: radeon for linux gaming just doesn't work very well sadly because the drivers all suck
17:23.58WarKI tried a few versions of the driver but they all are broken
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17:25.39vyrgozunqkSho_: well nvidia still doesnt have optimus support too, thanks to those pesky kernel devs :D
17:25.47vyrgozunqkand their GPL madness
17:26.30vyrgozunqkradeon hybrid switching too still has some problems thanks to them... so we should all thank them : )
17:27.09WarKit is annoying. I have a laptop with an Intel gpu and it works nice.
17:27.18WarKI think my next cpu/gpu will be intell
17:27.20WarKintel
17:27.32vyrgozunqkWarK: my laptop is with hybrid gpu - intel/amd :)
17:27.39WarKdamn
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17:27.55WarKI guess you got the shortest straw :)
17:28.10WarKI've never had ati/amd gpu
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17:30.28vyrgozunqkWarK: :D
17:30.40vyrgozunqkwell i'm fairly satisfied with it
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17:31.04WarKon the other hand, I had a netbook with amd fusion and it seemed to work fine. I only had it for 3 days, though.
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17:31.52vyrgozunqkfell fusion is good for gaming, but lacks brute computing force
17:32.28WarKI've never done anything with computing on a gpu
17:32.35WarKand the games I play are rather old
17:33.06WarKI've managed to get Hexen working on vavoom engine and I'm in heaven (or hell :) )
17:33.08vyrgozunqkno i don't mean GPU computing, but processor computing since fusion is gpu/cpu bonded
17:33.14WarKahh
17:33.17WarKright
17:33.27ello_govnaIs it possible to not group the icons in the icon-only task manager panel?
17:33.50WarKI use my desktop CPU for compiling when a new version of kde or kernel come out :)
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17:34.13vyrgozunqkWarK: well don't do it on amd cpu :D
17:34.24WarKI do it on an AMD cpu :P
17:34.29WarKphenom x4 :D
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17:34.42vyrgozunqkwell this is different of fusion :P
17:34.44WarKI used to do it on my old atholn64 too
17:34.57vyrgozunqkhow much time does it take for the kernel ?
17:35.10WarKunder 3 minutes
17:35.26WarKalthough I have my "custom" .config
17:35.41vyrgozunqk3 min. 0.o
17:35.47WarKI think
17:35.51vyrgozunqkwhat are you compiling, 3 drivers ? :D
17:35.57WarK:)
17:36.16vyrgozunqkwhat's the speed of your phenom
17:36.18WarKwell, it works for me :)
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17:36.37WarKAMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor cpu MHz         : 3400.000
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17:36.56WarKtbh, I think I got too powerful (expensive) cpu
17:37.00vyrgozunqkand i guess you're doing 8 tasks per cycle
17:37.10WarK4
17:37.17WarKwell, make -j5
17:37.27vyrgozunqkdont you have something like HT ?
17:37.32WarKnope
17:37.40WarKI think only intel has that
17:37.43vyrgozunqki can't remember amd's name of hyper threading
17:37.56WarKI don't think there is one. It's just a quad core
17:38.10WarKmaybe in the newer, bulldozer thingy
17:38.15WarKbut I don't know about htat
17:38.32WarKI've had this phenom for 2 years now
17:39.04WarKI shoudl've got something low energy, I had athlon x2 low energy at work and it was very nice, smooth and quiet
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17:40.00vyrgozunqkWarK: you can buy laptop cpu
17:40.02vyrgozunqk: )
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17:40.25WarKnot sure. I'm talking about my desktop that has phenom. My laptop is core 2 duo
17:40.44WarKI don't compile stuff on my laptop but it works smooth for usual desktop things
17:41.11vyrgozunqkwell i had my laptop's core2 on my desktop MB and was working fine, quest and cold
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17:42.02vyrgozunqkbut yeah since your laptop is C2D and PC amd... wont happen
17:42.40WarKwell, I could try a heavier hammer… :)
17:42.49vyrgozunqkyep
17:42.51vyrgozunqk:D
17:43.46WarKseems like some of the docs is missing or have changed their location on the KDE site.
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17:45.46vyrgozunqkomfg just tryed to install counter-strike source on linux steam and it's downloading... something
17:45.51vyrgozunqkthis is big news !
17:45.56WarK:)
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17:46.19ChemBrovyrgozunqk: old news is old :P
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17:46.37WarKnot that old :)
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17:47.22vyrgozunqkChemBro: it;s not officially released !
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17:47.42ChemBrosame goes for steam for linux
17:47.48vyrgozunqki should tell omgubuntu
17:47.51shakaponkholla guyz, how do i add a network manager widget to the system tray? is it possible?
17:49.11WarKit definitely is possible
17:50.12shakaponknevermind, i found it
17:50.15shakaponkthx
17:50.19WarKwhen your widgets are "unlocked" click the funky icon at the end…
17:50.28WarKI'm faster than a speeding bullet :)
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17:51.35shakaponkWarK: :-D but i'm faster :-D thx
17:51.44WarK:)
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17:53.36wmphello, is possible to change notification window size? http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/06/plasma-desktope20905.png
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18:22.31faemirHey guys, would it be possible to export the air 4.9 theme to use in 4.10? I'm not a fan of the new one.
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18:28.01BluesKajmr0wl, rekonq and konqueror , but the first is clunky and the 2nd is depracated
18:28.21xardas008has someone of you netrunner os running and just upgraded to KDE 4.10?
18:28.47svuorelaBluesKaj: who said konqueror was deprecated?
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18:30.04BluesKajI did ...it might as well be officially ...it's worse than rekonq now
18:30.10BluesKajsvuorela,
18:30.44svuorelaBluesKaj: konqueror is not deprecated at all. please get your facts straight
18:31.12BluesKajit's unfortunate , i used to like konqueror a lot , I used as my default browser for a few yrs
18:31.30svuorelaBluesKaj: anyways, please stop spreading false information.
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18:33.54BluesKajsvuorela, uhm, maybe the ppl responsible for maintaining konqueror will take a hint and fix it , just because it isn't officially depracated doesn't change the fact that it's been negelected badly , so which one is the false impression ?
18:34.16svuorelaBluesKaj: what makes you think it is neglected?
18:34.57BluesKajbecause it breaks
18:35.37svuorelait does?
18:35.41BluesKajyes , more than rekonq
18:36.00BluesKajtry it
18:36.09BluesKajtry both
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18:36.52Brian_Hanyone know of an app that allows synchronization of KDE settings across computers?
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18:37.12Brian_Hor if there was a way to export them easily that would be nice too
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18:37.57svuorelaBluesKaj: given they in many installations nowadays uses same rendering engine, the crashes should be similar.
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18:40.26BluesKajBrian_H, I haven't used it but check out rsync
18:41.08Brian_Hdarn, was hoping for something that was designed for it, I can use rsync but then I have to figure out which config files to sync
18:41.27faemirwhy not sync your entire .kde4?
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18:41.44svuorelawatch out with doing that
18:42.21faemiryeah I wouldn't mix different kde versions or something
18:42.31faemirbut if the distro/kde is the same?
18:42.44Brian_Hyea it is I don't like running 3 different OS's :)
18:43.32svuorelathere is also a lot of local data in .kde - for example kmail saves references to stuff in the sql database living in .config
18:44.04Brian_Hthats kinda the challenge I'm having there are a lot of various things stored in various places :)
18:44.07BluesKajusing PIM Brian_H ?
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18:44.40Brian_Hdoes it sync to some cloud based solution?
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18:44.50Brian_HIm not no
18:44.53Brian_Hsorry misread that
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18:45.38faemirBrian_H: if you find the files, ln them to dropbox on both pc's and you have 'cloud-based'
18:45.59Brian_Hthinking that will have to be my solution
18:46.05Brian_Howncloud + symlinking certain files :)
18:46.14Brian_Hwas just trying to not reinvent the wheel
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18:52.04deufraiHi there. I'm running KDE 4.8.5 on the last LTS Ubuntu and I get this strange behaviour. When I have a single-window app minimized to miniature box, said window doesn't come to foreground when it's icon is clicked. Window is shown and "raised", since it's related item is blinking in the task manager, but the window is on the background
18:52.25deufraiAny pointers to solve this ?
18:53.03deufrais/it's/its/g
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18:59.42wmphello, is possible to change notification window size? http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/06/plasma-desktope20905.png
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20:10.48immotusanyone know off-hand which config file has the window look/feel settings in them?  Some of the Window look/feel themes I was using in KDE49 aren't working in KDE410 (no window decorations at all)
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20:21.09CivilHello, I've got 2 strange problems with kde 4.10 on gentoo arm (running on armv7, compiled with "-O2 -march=armv7a -mtune=cortex-a15 -mfpu=neon" on cortex a15 cpu).
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20:21.57CivilMouse clicks doesn't work in widget adding panel and on some plasmoids (powerdevil, for example). Same problem was with kde 4.9 on same distro
20:22.12Riley88hey is anyone here using intel hd 3000
20:22.17Civiland after upgrading to kde 4.10, kwin can't enable opengl (though it's compiled with egl support)
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20:22.36Riley88i could use some help with sna
20:23.00Riley88i just did a fresh arch install and got the kde-meta package enabled sna and im lagging pretty good
20:23.12Riley88and the tearfree option
20:25.59Riley88im just seing a lot of lag with sna enabled is there a way to fix screen tearing with out it
20:26.43Riley88so far ive only manage to fix it with sna enabled im on an older intel i5 2.5ghz dual core with hyper threading and 6gigs of ram
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20:31.43Riley88can anyone help
20:32.00thenameipicked_Am I able to set a keyboard command to move a window to another desktop?
20:32.25KRFthenameipicked_: there already is afaik, ctrl+alt+{left,right}
20:33.11thenameipicked_that moves me to the next desktop, not the window
20:33.33immotusthenameipicked_: Activity?
20:34.44thenameipicked_I don't use activities.   Just multiple desktops
20:35.32thenameipicked_and I would like to move the window that is currently selected to the desktop (left/right/up/down)
20:36.56immotusthenameipicked_: hit Alt-F2, type/run "Global Keyboard Shortcuts" Select KDE Component "KWin" and search for "window to screen"
20:37.02immotusthenameipicked_: maybe that will work for ya
20:37.30thenameipicked_no, I don't think so
20:37.30immotusthenameipicked_: I don't know what they mean by "screen" there.. but it might do what you want ;^)
20:37.34thenameipicked_but that's the right spot
20:37.51thenameipicked_its probably if you have dualscreen
20:37.56thenameipicked_I'll look around
20:37.57thenameipicked_thanks!
20:38.50thenameipicked_its "window one desktop left/right/etc..."
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20:52.40ak70Guys, with the latest Dolphin, how can I unmount a partition on a external harddrive WITHOUT ejecting the device?
20:52.54lainliveswhy not umount ?
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20:54.48ak70By using the command directly? not very convenient. Before 4.10, dolphin used to unmount the partition but leaving the device in the system.
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20:55.24lainlivesright click the entry in the 'places' bar
20:55.27ak70But now, when I click "Safely remove XXX" on a partition, it will eject the device
20:55.29lainlivesit has /unmount'
20:55.42lainliveswell at least for me on Fedora
20:56.27ak70ah, I am using kubuntu with KDE 4.10, so it may be a distribution specific thing.
20:57.23ak70on Kubuntu, "umount" is only for internal hard drives, for external ones, I only get "Safely remove" whose behavior has changed in 4.10
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21:23.07wyattgI want to try a pretty significant re-jiggering of my plasma workspace. Is there a way I can do this without losing my current configuration?
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21:25.28james147wyattg: back the configs up first ^^ the live in ~/.kde or ~/.kde4
21:26.01wyattgYah, I guess that would work. Thanks!
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21:28.43edgyHi, if my screen brightness slider doesn't work in kde, where shall I file a bug? kde? acpid? kernel?
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21:34.12paulfantomedgy: what is your graphic card driver?
21:34.29edgypaulfantom: nvidia
21:35.03paulfantomedgy: are you using proprietary driver or nouveau?
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21:36.31edgypaulfantom: proprietary
21:37.17paulfantomedgy: try adding this parameter: "video.brightness_switch_enabled=1" to your grub.cfg in "linux" line
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21:38.19edgypaulfantom: before I do that and reboot, I want to say I can control brightness using keyboard keys but not kde slider
21:38.40paulfantomhmm
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21:40.09paulfantomedgy: have you tried to control brightness via dbus? for example using qdbus?
21:40.12edgypaulfantom: and also editing /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness works
21:40.31edgypaulfantom: I don't know how to use qdbus, any hint?
21:40.47paulfantomedgy:in a moment
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21:44.43jeroen-I have a plasma crash during startup. I've found out that when I delete .kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc it works, but than I loose all my palsma widgets and such. How to find out whats wrong?
21:44.56jeroen-oh using kde 4.10
21:45.27paulfantomedgy: qdbus org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement /org/kde/Solid/PowerManagement org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement.setBrightness 50
21:45.56paulfantomedgy: should do the same as slider set to 50%
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21:46.28edgypaulfantom: exactly, it moves the slider to the set number but the brightness doesn't change
21:47.32paulfantomedgy: your nvidia driver is 304.xx or 310.xx? it is said that this problem is solved in 310.xx
21:48.07edgypaulfantom: mine is 313.18
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21:51.20paulfantomedgy: i'm sorry, i can't help you, i don't know how. Communication between proprietery nvidia driver and dbus is somehow broken, but i don't know where.
21:52.12edgypaulfantom: I just tried gnome-control-panel power and it works
21:52.21edgyso it's kde specific
21:52.36paulfantomprobably Solid
21:52.43_kdepepojeroen-, could be bug 312075 (if you had Paste widget installed)
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21:53.55edgypaulfantom: ok, then I will file a bug to solid
21:54.39jeroen-_kdepepo: paste widget? is this the same as klipper?
21:54.44edgypaulfantom: I have another pc on which the brightness doesn't work at all, neither from keyboard or slider ;)
21:54.52_kdepeponope
21:55.01edgypaulfantom: let me try your grub line on it
21:55.05jeroen-oh than i dont have that widget
21:55.19paulfantomedgy: on my PC it helped
21:55.30_kdepepojeroen-, anyway, try removing then readding the systray widget
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21:56.00edgypaulfantom: I just wonder how come linux gurus like greg kh claim hardware support in linux is better than windows ;)
21:56.13jeroen-_kdepepo: ok
21:57.00paulfantomedgy: nvidia doesn't support linux well enough
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21:57.24paulfantomedgy: probably:)
21:57.53paulfantomedgy: and they probably use nouveau:)
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21:58.19edgypaulfantom: why kde uses the nvidia interface for brightness? can't they set it directly using a kernel call e.g
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21:58.42rangergordhi
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21:59.04withnaleDid the changes ever come into KDE to allow for MOUSE4 and MOUSE5 to be directly bound?
21:59.14rangergordNew to KDE (except for a terrible Kubuntu adventure in 2008), and not very experienced with Linux either. What distro should I use to try out KDE 4.10?
21:59.40rangergordis it better to wait for an upcoming release?
21:59.50ChemBromaybe wait a little bit, rangergord?
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22:00.03_kdepeporangergord, wait until debian stable has 4.10
22:00.05rangergordChemBro: for what? opensuse?
22:00.07_kdepepoLOL
22:00.09CivilCan somebody help me with few strange bugs on ARM? (kde 4.10, gentoo)
22:00.10edgyrangergord: I use arch but it's not for beginners
22:00.24rangergord_kdepepo: hehe
22:00.45rangergordedgy: yeah I don't wanna hack away at a terminal to configure things
22:00.51ChemBrorangergord: just not now, maybe one week or so, the packages are still very fresh and there might be packaging bugs
22:00.57paulfantomedgy: i really don't know
22:00.58rangergord(at least not desktop things)
22:01.27ChemBroas for the distro: take the one you like
22:01.39jeroen-_kdepepo: that was it
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22:01.44jeroen-thanks!!!!!1
22:01.47edgypaulfantom: np, with your grub option kde doesn't even login ;)
22:02.04edgypaulfantom: I am willing to install noveau and try it on that laptop
22:02.20paulfantomedgy: now i'm puzzled:)
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22:03.28edgypaulfantom: and if with noveau it doesn't work, you need to hide in a good place ;)
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22:04.05paulfantomedgy: now, I think I need to build a fort ;)
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22:05.28rangergordhow large is the KDE Libraries source, if I wanted to check it out?
22:05.44rangergordI'm on a small SSD and don't wanna check out 800MB of code
22:05.58rangergord(I'm more worried about resources like icons and such taking up all the space)
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22:06.36Brian_Hwhats the best way to reset my kde user profile (settings) without loosing the application settings?
22:07.02james147Brian_H: you mean just plasma?
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22:07.36Brian_Hyea for some reason with 4.10 my battery icon doesn't work any more - and I have some weird window focus issue anyways that's been bothering me for months :p
22:07.56james147Brian_H: ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* are the files you want
22:08.04paulfantomedgy: there are also two other methods which can help to get brightness control with proprietary nvidia driver. First: add "acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor" to grub or the second one: add 'Option “RegistryDwords” “EnableBrightnessControl=1″ ' to xorg.conf in section "Device"
22:08.15james147Brian_H: ~/.kde/share/config/kwin* for kwin
22:08.34paulfantomedgy: some people it help, some it does not
22:09.07Brian_Hawesome thanks! :) I'll do that
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22:11.40Tanktalusyay, KDE SC 4.10.  Boo, no desktop.  (How Xchat got started, I don't know - though it was running when I shut down)
22:11.47_kdepeporangergord, you can view sources online :)
22:12.01TanktalusAny ideas what to look for here?
22:12.31TanktalusNo window manager by the looks of things, no launcher bar at the bottom, either.
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22:13.05_kdepeporangergord, git clone of "kdelibs" has 270 mb on my system.
22:13.24_kdepeponote that includes full history :P
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22:13.58_kdepepothe tar should be some 80 mb uncompressed
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22:16.33Tanktaluswhy is plasma not displaying anything :(
22:16.39edgypaulfantom: installed nouvea and now I couldn't boot, it stopped at "Mounted /tmp"
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22:18.14paulfantomedgy: what is in logs?
22:18.42edgypaulfantom: how can I access the logs if I can't boot into my system?
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22:18.54rferrisedgy: live cd?
22:18.59rferrismount filesystem
22:19.02rferrischeck logs
22:19.06rferrissuccess \o/
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22:19.52paulfantomedgy: or try with disabling nouveau, in grub rdblacklist=nouveau
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22:20.07edgypaulfantom: you are my man not rferris ;)
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22:22.10Tanktalus:(
22:22.49Brian_Hhmmm ok well deleted that stuff now my notification applets are in the top left hand corner of the screen :) how do I rest the whole profile w/o loosing things like quassels config?
22:23.25edgypaulfantom: still it stopped at the same line
22:24.30paulfantomedgy: hmm so try booting with "single" option added to grub
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22:24.47paulfantomedgy: you will have only command line
22:25.11paulfantomedgy: and then check logs
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22:26.37TanktalusNo one knows why plasma-desktop might be crashing, or any idea where to look for more info?
22:27.04_kdepepoTanktalus, backtrace?
22:27.26edgypaulfantom: already tried single and still same problem
22:27.46edgypaulfantom: if I have to use a CD then I will leave it for tomorrow
22:27.48Tanktalus_kdepepo: I can't get it.  drkonqi doesn't ever show up, and I can't figure out how to get it from gdb :(
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22:28.12_kdepepocan you Alt+F2 konsole
22:28.31TanktalusI have a konsole up - my hotkeys still work.
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22:28.53TanktalusThe bar at the bottom of the screen is also missing (I forget its name right now... long day)
22:28.57_kdepepofirst try "killall plasma-desktop" then "plasma-desktop"
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22:29.16Tanktaluskillall plasma-desktop
22:29.16Tanktalusplasma-desktop: no process found
22:29.44_kdepepostart it (first was just to be sure there was nothing hanging)
22:30.12TanktalusRe-running plasma-desktop gets lots of output, but nothing happens.  Let's see if I can find a way to pastebin it (if you think that'd be helpful?)
22:30.40_kdepeponothing happens, but the process terminates?
22:30.51_kdepepooutput would be useful, yes
22:31.03TanktalusI think drkonqi catches it, but I never see drkonqi - its window never properly shows up.
22:31.11edgypaulfantom: appreciate your hints. will leave this for tomorrow, thanks again
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22:31.27paulfantomedgy: I'm thinking how can it be that "single" mode doesn't work
22:31.45paulfantomedgy: np, hoped to help more
22:32.21Tanktalushttp://pastebin.ca/2311287
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22:33.14Tanktaluskonsole, amarok, kmail (kontact) are all running... just not plasma-desktop :( (so far)
22:33.28edgypaulfantom:  I really don't know but I guess nouveau is related to the kernel so it messed something up
22:34.38paulfantomedgy: but I thought that in single mode graphic card driver isn't loaded
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22:35.12edgypaulfantom: it's actuall saying: "Started Set Up Additional Binary Formats. Mounted /tmp." and stuck there
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22:36.26_kdepepookay, so it indeed crashes, to get a backtrace from gdb you have to use "gdb --args plasma-desktop --nofork"
22:36.45_kdepepoin dgb "run", wait for crash, then "bt"
22:36.48_kdepepogfb
22:36.51_kdepepoargh
22:36.53_kdepepogdb
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22:37.04edgypaulfantom: someone at #archlinux helped me by using nomodeset now it booted into cli
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22:37.11Tanktalusso, not the perl debugger, then. :P  Ok, let me try.
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22:37.36paulfantomedgy: oh, I forgot about it
22:37.41paulfantomedgy: sorry
22:38.07TanktalusProgram received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
22:38.07Tanktalus0x00007ffff5f80e9c in QDeclarativeVMEMetaObject::metaCall(QMetaObject::Call, int, void**) () from /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtDeclarative.so.4
22:38.16TanktalusThe rest will go into another paste.
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22:40.00Tanktalushttp://pastebin.ca/2311291
22:40.31_kdepepoTanktalus, that's bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311751 (Qt bug), patch is attached at the bottom
22:40.53_kdepeposee also https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-29082
22:41.06Tanktalus_kdepepo: thanks ! :)
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22:43.30TanktalusI'll see how to get this built - shouldn't be toooooo hard since I'm at least on a source distro anyway :)
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22:46.47Brian_Hok so I've deleted the ~/.kde directory and restarted kde as my user... are there any other directories that might be holding on to settings? I'm still getting a bunch of my notification applets in the upper right hand corner of the screen
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22:48.43esdanielanyone know if this channel is being archived to web and what's the link?
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22:53.43edgypaulfantom: : I reinstalled nvidia and tried the Option "RegistryDwords". there is progress now, I click on the slider and when I try to move it, it moves a very little step and I can see the brightness started to change and the slider disappears quickly ;)
22:53.46Tanktalus_kdepepo: thanks, that patch worked! :)  Well, plasma-desktop is up now anyway, I'm going to have to restart X I think :)
22:54.36_kdepepoyou compile Qt in 10 minutes?
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22:54.49_kdepeponeeds a faster machine :P
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22:55.48paulfantomedgy: I assume you can now adjust brightness via qdbus?
22:55.49Tanktalusok, new problem... :-(
22:56.01Tanktalus_kdepepo: I just recompiled core in about 7 minutes, yes.
22:56.12edgypaulfantom: yes
22:56.20_kdepepoah, QtCore only ...
22:56.30edgypaulfantom: so where the bug lies?
22:56.44TanktalusThis system is 3 years old, maybe later I'll get a faster one ;)
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22:57.00TanktalusAnyway... none of the window decorations are showing up.
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22:57.23_kdepepodoes kwin run?
22:57.56TanktalusAnd dialog boxes aren't showing up, though they DO show up in the task manager at the bottom ...
22:58.01Tanktaluspgrep says it does:
22:58.04Tanktalus14893 kwin -session 10dd61626f000128096355000000059020000_1360191268_791333
22:58.43paulfantomedgy: now I can't tell you but I'll try to reproduce it and check
22:59.04_kdepepoTanktalus, can you move windows with Alt+drag
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22:59.16Tanktalusyes, I could do that before the qtcore recompile.
22:59.26_kdepepobut not after?
22:59.34paulfantomedgy: I would still report it to Solid, but it can be sth different
22:59.35Tanktalusoh, no, I still can do it. :)
23:00.16_kdepepookey, try changing deco in "kcmshell4 kwindecoration"
23:00.41_kdepepoif they still don't show, try Alt+Shift+F12 to toggle compositing
23:00.56TanktalusThat entire kcmshell4 dialog isn't coming up :P
23:00.56edgypaulfantom: ok thanks a lot
23:01.36_kdepepodoes "systemsettings" work?
23:02.11Tanktalusyeah, systemsettings works, and Alt+Shift+F12 gets the window decorations to show up :(
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23:03.05paulfantomedgy: np, I'm glad I could help:)
23:03.13_kdepepoif you only have decos when effects are disabled, please ask in #kwin or on forum.kde.org
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23:04.17TanktalusThanks, will do.
23:04.25_kdepepomight be a GL driver issue
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23:06.18Tanktalusthey seem quieter :-)
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23:07.53_kdepepoyeah, if you want immediate response, file a kwin bug, Thomas doesn't use irc
23:08.29Tanktalus:)
23:08.43TanktalusNot quite as immediate as I'd hope ;)
23:09.40Tanktalusa couple minutes to recompile mesa and kwin with gles support and see if that helps.
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23:19.16TanktalusFound it ... translucency.  Disable that effect, and it works.  Time to open kde bug, then.  Thanks, _kdepepo
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