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02:05.45 | marmulak | hey buddies |
02:07.33 | ZorroT | waves |
02:08.23 | freislot_RU_ru | ZorroT: hello my american friend =) |
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02:09.45 | ZorroT | was just reading about a russian family who lived through wwii in siberia without knowing it had happened. |
02:09.55 | ZorroT | waves to freislot |
02:10.57 | binaryhat | what pkg is desktop effects part of? |
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02:12.37 | DaZ | workspace. |
02:14.09 | binaryhat | kde-workspace? |
02:15.05 | binaryhat | or kdebase-workspace |
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02:15.26 | freislot_RU_ru | my kde eat 536mb of 3gb without opened apps, is this normal? |
02:16.40 | ZorroT | yup |
02:17.21 | ZorroT | plasma applets and so on will consume memory, too |
02:17.24 | freislot_RU_ru | one russian user from linux.org.ru says that this is not normal ) stupid guy |
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02:17.37 | ZorroT | depends on the configuration |
02:17.47 | ZorroT | you could certainly streamline it |
02:18.23 | ZorroT | freislot: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=97880 |
02:19.21 | freislot_RU_ru | thx |
02:19.54 | ZorroT | is your internet service still expensive? |
02:23.20 | freislot_RU_ru | of course |
02:23.25 | freislot_RU_ru | =) |
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02:24.13 | freislot_RU_ru | as soon as in our region start new satelite in space internet will expensive |
02:24.31 | ZorroT | be more expensive or less expensive? |
02:24.58 | freislot_RU_ru | less |
02:25.35 | freislot_RU_ru | i read topic that you give, and think i need stop nepomuk |
02:25.54 | freislot_RU_ru | but i not sure really i need this |
02:25.57 | ZorroT | measure the memory, then disable it, wait a moment, and measure the memory again... |
02:25.58 | DaZ | you do. |
02:26.20 | ZorroT | i disabled it for reasons of speed, and am glad i did. |
02:26.38 | freislot_RU_ru | how turn it off? |
02:26.39 | freislot_RU_ru | )) |
02:27.15 | ZorroT | akonadictl stop && sleep 30s && qdbus org.kde.NepomukServer /nepomukserver quit |
02:27.30 | ZorroT | that stops both nepomuk and akonadi |
02:27.57 | DaZ | it'll start again though : |
02:28.28 | ZorroT | just to measure and see how it impacts memory / speed, you'd not necessarily want to completely kill it the first time around, ja? |
02:28.28 | ZorroT | \ |
02:29.26 | freislot_RU_ru | i do this command memory usage down to 407 mb |
02:29.32 | DaZ | i can't think of any reason why someone would want to leave it. |
02:29.33 | freislot_RU_ru | it was 530 |
02:29.49 | DaZ | the mysql session is probably still there :v |
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02:34.56 | freislot | my wifi router kick me ))) |
02:35.14 | freislot | but akonadi and nepomuk dont start again should they start after 30 second after i do command akonadictl stop && sleep 30s && qdbus org.kde.NepomukServer /nepomukserver quit? |
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02:36.54 | DaZ | freislot: they shouldn't it stops nepomuk 30 seconds after akonadi, not starts it :v |
02:37.01 | DaZ | akonadi starts automatically when something needs it. |
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02:37.10 | freislot | understand |
02:37.46 | freislot | after reboot should i use thos command again? |
02:37.51 | freislot | this* |
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02:38.50 | DaZ | no, you can disable nepomuk in systemsettings->desktop search |
02:39.01 | DaZ | as for akonadi, dunnolol, i just chmod the binaries :v |
02:39.50 | freislot_RU-ru | ok |
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02:41.11 | freislot_RU-ru | how disable all desktop effects? my notebook very warm i use open drivers for my videocard (its ati radeon mobility 4300) |
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02:41.56 | freislot_RU-ru | i can fry eggs on my notebook ))) |
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02:45.44 | ZorroT | oh no. |
02:45.55 | ZorroT | is the fan working well? |
02:45.59 | DaZ | at least you won't freeze :v |
02:46.13 | ZorroT | :-) |
02:46.52 | dk0r | effing, pacman.. -Syu! -Syu! |
02:49.00 | freislot_RU-ru | fan work well |
02:49.20 | freislot_RU-ru | i clean all parts in my notebook |
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02:56.30 | robertzaccour | anyone else having Kdenlive crash when you click render? |
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03:11.46 | robertzaccour | anyone else having Kdenlive crash when you click render? |
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07:13.02 | drhouse123 | hi! kde 4.10 still rc3 or it's already stable ? |
07:13.51 | drhouse123 | i'm waiting it in gentoo |
07:15.20 | sungami | drhouse123: the sources are available on ftp.kde.org. So if you've got the ebuilds, you should be able to build 4.10 already. |
07:15.48 | drhouse123 | sungami: yes, ok :) |
07:15.58 | drhouse123 | sungami: thanks |
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08:04.14 | jMCg | Hey there o/~ |
08:04.55 | jMCg | I'm trying to onfigure korganizer to use a remote caldav/ics resource and failing, unfortunately, it's not being very verbose on the errors. |
08:04.58 | jMCg | http://i.imgur.com/f9jeTBM.png |
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08:40.38 | takis_GR | hello. who can tell me the required groups for a normal user in kde?? |
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08:47.32 | takis_GR | hello. who can tell me the required groups for a normal user in kde?? |
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09:19.35 | takis_GR | hello. who can tell me the required groups for a normal user in kde?? |
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09:44.34 | prooty | hello. i have an applet that uses KStatusNotifierItem of PyKDE4. in arch linux with versions as such (Qt - 4.8.4, KDE Development Platform - 4.9.5) taken from kde4-config -v, it works. |
09:45.25 | prooty | however, in kubuntu 12.10 with versions (Qt - 4.8.3, KDE Development Platform - 4.9.98), it's not working. could anyone point me to how i can debug it? |
09:45.49 | prooty | here's an example of the code: http://pastebin.com/Ayc9MZYh. |
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09:57.44 | ZDroid | Hi! |
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09:58.09 | ZDroid | KDE 4.10 are now final or not? |
09:59.13 | osinclair_ | ZDroid: final it is check kde.org |
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10:02.18 | drhouse123 | kwin crashes is often on my netbook with igma 3150, may be switching it to xrender solve it? |
10:02.18 | ZDroid | ok |
10:02.22 | ZDroid | i checked |
10:02.31 | ZDroid | :) |
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10:30.31 | rindolf | Hi all. |
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10:30.49 | rindolf | Does anyone have an annoying KDE bug that I can try to reproduce? |
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10:36.34 | _basic6 | here's what looks like a bug to me: in rekonq i set the start page ("when starting rekonq") to "open home page" which is google - but it still opens the fav page instead. i've also set it to open my home page when opening a new tab - this works. |
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10:38.10 | vitya | Guys, I have feature request: what about restore previous kde version after upgrading? I mean now I have kde 4.9.2. I want upgrade it to 4.10 soon, But if something will wrong or I just want to get back kde 4.9.2 - how can I do it? |
10:38.20 | vitya | Is it bad mind ? |
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11:36.39 | Kwpolska | Congrats on the new release! Now, http://kde.org/announcements/4.10/plasma.php shows Plasma with a nice theme. Is it a completely new theme? |
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11:39.19 | jMCg | I just discovered a "bug" |
11:39.36 | Kwpolska | also, the channel topic is outdated. |
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12:35.56 | backjlack | Hello. |
12:37.38 | backjlack | I've been having problems with KDE 4.8.5/4.8.x and KDE 4.9.5 on Kubuntu 12.04. I've tried a few things already to try to find out why krunner isn't running (yes, ALT+F2 doesn't show the launch prompt) and why dbus related problems don't let me shutdown / sleep / log off. |
12:38.17 | backjlack | The problem was temporarily fixed by removing the .kde folder from my home directory, then it came back. |
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12:38.55 | backjlack | I used to get these problems only from time to time, but now it looks like it's permanent. I haven't touched system config files and I've checked that dbus is running. |
12:39.24 | Kwpolska | backjlack: KDE programs shit a lot of debug messages on the stderr. |
12:39.30 | backjlack | I've also checked whether some other packages related to kde and dbus are installed. dbus is also running. |
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12:41.38 | ovidiu-florin | hello world, I'm trying to copy an event in kontact calendar. How do I do that? |
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12:43.13 | backjlack | Kwpolska: Yes, I've noticed that. However, figuring out what's fatal and what's not is difficult. |
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12:44.58 | backjlack | I can also reproduce the exact same problem on another system with Kubuntu 12.04. |
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12:46.00 | backjlack | I didn't touch any system configuration files outside of system settings on either of the two machines. |
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13:09.17 | dpecka | hello |
13:09.51 | dpecka | kde suddenly dropped all key shortcuts :( .. |
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13:22.24 | matip | hello |
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13:23.33 | matip | I still couldn't find how |
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13:31.25 | BluesKaj | Hey all |
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13:32.31 | nyuszika7h | KDE 4.10? nice |
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13:34.53 | Kwpolska | Where are the appmenu settings for 4.10? |
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13:41.43 | aboudreault | can I disable totally that damn akonadi and all its process/app ? |
13:42.10 | cb400f | sure.. if you don't use any apps that require akonadi |
13:42.34 | cb400f | http://mschlander.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/disable-akonadi-in-kde-sc-4-7/ |
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13:42.46 | aboudreault | cb400f, everytime I open my computer... I got those processes eating 100% of my ram and 4 out of 8 of my cpus |
13:42.55 | aboudreault | cb400f, thanks, will take a look at this |
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13:43.50 | cb400f | I don't think akonadi will go berserk unless you load it with data, so you're prolly using it for something... heavily too |
13:44.18 | aboudreault | I'm awayre of anything I would use it for. |
13:44.24 | aboudreault | *not aware* |
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13:49.52 | aboudreault | looks like it was already disabled....... I disabled Nepomuk feeder search, which is one of the process that was totally leaking |
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13:50.05 | aboudreault | will see on the next reboot. In a month or so ;) |
13:50.18 | cb400f | nepomuk != akonadi |
13:50.44 | cb400f | akonadi = pim framework (kmail, korganizer etc. data) |
13:50.47 | aboudreault | cb400f, yeah, not sure what they are in fact. |
13:50.55 | cb400f | nepomuk = desktop search/semantic desktop |
13:51.04 | aboudreault | ok, and nepomuk uses akonadi? |
13:51.29 | cb400f | nah, akonadi uses nepomuk for certain things (searching mails, contacts) |
13:51.51 | cb400f | but lots of other stuff uses nepomuk.. e.g. dolphin, digikam, banagarang |
13:52.09 | aboudreault | I see. |
13:52.49 | cb400f | generally nepomuk doesn't cause problems if you disable the indexer in my experience |
13:53.05 | vHanda | the indexer has improved a LOT in 4.10 |
13:53.14 | vHanda | I don't think it should give any problems any more |
13:53.18 | cb400f | but with the indexer activated it can cause problems, depening on the amount and type of data you have it indexing |
13:55.13 | cb400f | vHanda: I heard some rumours about a crash (a Qt bug?) of the indexer with 4.10 |
13:55.30 | vHanda | yeah. There is one |
13:55.37 | vHanda | I still haven't managed to figure it out. |
13:56.00 | vHanda | It seems as though the file indexer process is running out of file descriptors. Weirdly enough, we only index 1 file at a time |
13:56.03 | vHanda | so I don't get it |
13:57.25 | mr0wl | AppMenu is awesome! |
13:57.37 | mr0wl | forces my GTK apps to look awesome too |
14:00.03 | cb400f | vHanda: anyways, the problem isn't usually the indexer itself, it's usually virtuoso running amuck when the indexer feeds it with too much stuff :-/ |
14:00.27 | vHanda | is currently optimizing that code only |
14:00.37 | cb400f | maybe the indexer caused that of course.. I wouldn't know the details |
14:00.53 | vHanda | no. The Nepomuk data model is just way too complex (read powerful) |
14:00.58 | vHanda | so pushing data is a little slow |
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14:01.28 | vHanda | I'm currently simplifying it for 4.11. We need the performance, and the added flexibility which the old model provided |
14:01.37 | vHanda | hasn't even been used by anyone |
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14:03.36 | cb400f | if we could just avoid virtuoso going crazy using 100% cpu indefinitely, and have a more "full-featured" desktop search UI the world would be beautiful :-) |
14:04.07 | vHanda | right now ,during file indexing, virtuoso takes about 30-50% of one cpu |
14:04.22 | vHanda | it manages to index about 10-20 files per second, which is decent |
14:04.37 | vHanda | might even index more on a production system |
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14:35.24 | Kwpolska | KDE 4.10 is thinking I have a floppy drive, which isn’t true. How to fix that? |
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14:35.29 | Kwpolska | s/is thinking/thinks/ |
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14:36.42 | cb400f | where do you see it? ... and why is it even a problem? |
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14:37.27 | Kwpolska | cb400f: at boot in the “removable devices” applet, also in the places pane. |
14:37.59 | cb400f | hm.. in the places pane you could just hide it with a right click |
14:38.20 | cb400f | the device notifier is weird... and you have no idea which device is being misinterpreted? |
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14:38.35 | *** topic/#kde by neverendingo -> KDE SC 4.10 is out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 |
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14:38.37 | ovidiu-florin | I got my KDE 4.10 yeeeeee https://plus.google.com/107178397249608926118/posts/jDzhxACKfGF |
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14:39.12 | cb400f | though I doubt the issue is limited to kde... should think kde gets all this information from udisks |
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14:47.07 | shevy | does kde suite have its own video player based on qt? |
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14:47.33 | shevy | (also same question with audio player ... or audio AND video player together) |
14:47.43 | shevy | I only know of amarok but I think that will play only audio |
14:48.05 | cb400f | kde sc comes with dragon player ... there are a bunch of others.. bangarang, kaffeine, kplayer, kmplayer |
14:48.09 | cb400f | for video |
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14:48.22 | shevy | hmm |
14:48.28 | cb400f | the kde sc audio player is juk.. of course there's also amarok |
14:48.46 | igor012 | Hi, |
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14:49.06 | MichaelP | 4.10 is supose to be released today right ? |
14:49.12 | cb400f | .. and a whole bunch of other nice Qt (non-kde) audio and video players exist... smplayer, umplayer, vlc, qmmp, tomahawk... |
14:49.39 | igor012 | Is there a way to create a skeleton for any user logging into Kde for the first time ? |
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14:50.22 | cb400f | igor012: editing the stuff in /etc/kde4/share/config/ I think |
14:50.40 | cb400f | might be just /etc/kde/share.. on your system |
14:51.06 | igor012 | cb400f: nothing in /etc/skel ? |
14:51.56 | cb400f | not that I know of... but I only ever deal with single user systems |
14:52.10 | igor012 | ok thanks i'll check |
14:52.17 | cb400f | so not an expert on the subject by any means |
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14:56.44 | kalib | Hello guys. Just got an iphone 4s. Is there any app for kde that can connect to it and send music, photos, etc? |
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14:58.05 | Crendgrim | kalib: did you try Amarok? |
14:58.45 | kalib | Really? I have amarok in here. |
14:58.48 | kalib | Let me check it. |
14:58.53 | kalib | thanks |
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15:06.29 | prooty | however, in kubuntu 12.10 with versions (Qt - 4.8.3, KDE Development Platform - 4.9.98), it's not working. could anyone point me to how i can debug it? |
15:06.33 | prooty | here's an example of the code: http://pastebin.com/Ayc9MZYh. |
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15:19.48 | Mirrakor | Is there a special kdepim channel? |
15:19.55 | cb400f | #kontact |
15:20.04 | beischer | and for nepomuk? :) |
15:20.05 | Mirrakor | thank you |
15:20.51 | cb400f | dunno about nepomuk.. but if so it's prolly #nepomuk |
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15:21.14 | cb400f | unless that channel is reserved by some czech dudes celebrating jan nepomucky |
15:21.21 | beischer | ah ok |
15:21.29 | beischer | well seems not to be a dedicated channel |
15:21.43 | cb400f | maybe vHanda knows ;-) |
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15:21.57 | beischer | does anyone know how I can force the nepomuk fileindexer to rescan my home dir completely? |
15:22.03 | beischer | I tried |
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15:22.17 | cb400f | (re)moving the db would prolly do the trick ;-) |
15:22.22 | beischer | qdbus org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukfileindexer /nepomukfileindexer indexFolder $HOME 1 1 |
15:22.31 | beischer | yes I did that |
15:22.36 | beischer | and now it just indexed about 15 files |
15:22.40 | beischer | while it 70.000 before |
15:22.43 | beischer | *had |
15:22.50 | beischer | and now it's idle and doing nothing. |
15:22.53 | beischer | this is with 4.10 btw |
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15:23.48 | cb400f | is the system idle? .. maybe the indexer is waiting for the system to idle before it does its thing |
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15:27.25 | Kentrel | It used to take a screenshot, then show the image in the program, even if Shutter wasn't running |
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15:54.50 | rdieter | not sure what shutter is, but PrintScrn launches ksnapshot ok for me |
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16:21.31 | plotr | I've got problems running kcookiejar4 - it spits out "QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave." and dies :( |
16:21.56 | plotr | any ideas how to start it or at least how to extract meaningful error out of it? |
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16:29.35 | mparodi | do you know if it's possible to have the very same panel in two monitors? any way to clone/copy&paste it? |
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16:31.20 | vyrgozunqk | hello guys |
16:31.38 | vyrgozunqk | i just want to congratulate you for the amazing 4.10 release ! It's amazing ! |
16:31.57 | mparodi | do you know if it's possible to have the very same panel in two monitors? any way to clone/copy&paste it? |
16:32.24 | vyrgozunqk | mparodi: i think you can create a second panel, and clone all the widgets |
16:32.39 | mparodi | how do you clone them? |
16:32.42 | mparodi | I couldn't find |
16:32.56 | vyrgozunqk | well just make a new panel on the second monitor |
16:32.58 | vyrgozunqk | and add the desired widgets |
16:33.15 | mparodi | they're icons |
16:33.32 | mparodi | I would like to have something like a dock in both monitors |
16:33.44 | vyrgozunqk | you mean the tray area ? |
16:33.58 | mparodi | nop, a dock with apps to launch |
16:34.13 | vyrgozunqk | well make a new panel and drag'n'drop desired apps |
16:34.32 | vyrgozunqk | i think this would do the job |
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16:42.06 | Crendgrim | hi guys. Is there a way to make notifications auto-disappear after a while? |
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16:42.33 | Crendgrim | as it is right now, they just accumulate over time |
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16:42.43 | Ivana | bonjour |
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16:42.55 | vyrgozunqk | Ivana: bonjourno |
16:43.05 | vyrgozunqk | здрасти |
16:43.07 | vyrgozunqk | :D |
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16:49.46 | plotr | vyrgozunqk: привет :) |
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16:50.27 | vyrgozunqk | plotr: привет и на теб |
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16:55.54 | WarK | hello |
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16:56.18 | WarK | I have a question :) |
16:56.37 | WarK | which version of qt should I use with kde 4.10? |
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16:58.46 | WarK | is 4.8.3 ok or should I get 5? |
17:01.24 | beischer | hey, qt 4.8.3 is fine (even though there is also 4.8.4) |
17:01.30 | beischer | kde 4.10 won't work with qt5 |
17:01.41 | beischer | the development to port to qt5 is still ongoing |
17:01.54 | beischer | (as far as I know, I'm not a KDE developer) |
17:02.02 | wsky | so what qt5 will mean to kde4? |
17:02.06 | Sho_ | That's correct |
17:02.22 | Sho_ | We most likely won't release anything using Qt 5 before at least Qt 5.1 |
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17:02.56 | Sho_ | And yep, the latest version of Qt 4 is 4.8.4 |
17:03.03 | WarK | beischer: I see, thanx |
17:03.45 | Sho_ | wsky: Mostly a much-improved QML (the new UI system that debuted in Qt 4 that we're slowly porting much of the workspace too) and generally improved performance across the library |
17:04.09 | wsky | cool. |
17:04.16 | Sho_ | wsky: QML has gotten ported to a new graphics stack that is OpenGL-based, and the various QML lego blocks you get with Qt have become much more useful |
17:04.37 | Sho_ | wsky: And then you have various performance and efficiency improvements in the core parts of Qt, etc. |
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17:05.25 | Sho_ | wsky: But unlike Qt 3->4 the generational change this time is _mostly_ source-compatible so we don't have to do massive rewriting like last time :) |
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17:05.51 | wsky | ok. good to know. |
17:06.32 | Sho_ | wsky: That's why we're doing a much more incremental approach were we're already porting stuff to the Qt4 version of QML now with every new 4.x release, and development of the 5 libs has been going on in parallel for a while, and at some point we can just jump over to those libs and so to Qt 5 without much of a shakeup |
17:06.34 | vyrgozunqk | guys i just saw a rendering problem when KDE is set to "Native" rendering instead of raster... animations get lot slower and laggy |
17:06.45 | vyrgozunqk | this is with latest fglrx |
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17:07.46 | Sho_ | vyrgozunqk: Native means using XRender and fglrx has a notoriously shitty XRender accel implementation |
17:07.51 | Sho_ | I'd recommend sticking to raster |
17:08.16 | vyrgozunqk | Sho_: i see thank you |
17:09.23 | VaterGarp | To whoever made the screenshots for the 4.10 release: thank you |
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17:10.00 | vyrgozunqk | Sho_: if i set compositing type to Xrender instead of OpenGL, should i get some FPS boost in games, since the composition of the desktop wont rely on the graphics card ? |
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17:10.10 | VaterGarp | No fifteen plasmoids including the notorious Notes plasmoid anymore |
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17:11.37 | Sho_ | vyrgozunqk: Maybe, although the overhead isn't that huge, so unless you actually have a FPS problem I'd say don't bother. Also, if you play the games fullscreen, kwin's window/app rules settings allow you to auto-suspend compositing entirely while a particular app/window is running and to auto-resume it when it's gone again, that way you could cut compositing out entirely |
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17:13.18 | vyrgozunqk | Sho_: i see then, thank you again. : ) - and yes the performance lacks everywhere, compared to windows... a 5 year old game like Killing Floor, who has native linux client is barely playable on low settings, compared to all maxed out on windows |
17:13.24 | vyrgozunqk | thats why i'm asking |
17:13.30 | Sho_ | VaterGarp: Yeah they're pretty nice this time ... especially since the ones for 4.9 and 4.8 both had rendering bugs on the panel which was a tad embarassing ;) |
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17:14.34 | Sho_ | vyrgozunqk: I recently bought a new PC, and one of the fun parts of that is that now I can game more without rebooting ... before I had games that would run correctly on Wine but were too slow vs. Windows, now the box has enough power that the Wine overhead doesn't matter :) Skyrim on Wine in 1920x1200 with Ultra High and hi-res texture pack runs smooth as butter .. |
17:14.41 | Sho_ | now i just need to find time to play it! |
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17:15.52 | vyrgozunqk | Sho_: :D i don't have 1500$ for that powerfull laptop |
17:16.02 | vyrgozunqk | and my laptop is mid-ranged |
17:16.24 | Sho_ | vyrgozunqk: well my laptop is from 2004 and was slow when ibought it :) |
17:16.28 | Sho_ | so i know that well ;) |
17:16.38 | vyrgozunqk | yeah :/ |
17:16.40 | Sho_ | and my old desktop was six years old too, it was time for an upgrade |
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17:17.56 | vyrgozunqk | yeah ... the overall performance difference between linux/windows feels more strong when you have old PC |
17:18.37 | Sho_ | vyrgozunqk: well, the nvidia performance is similar between linux and windows, but wine simply is slower than windows since it has to translate d3d to opengl |
17:19.19 | vyrgozunqk | my gpu is not one of tha fastest - radeon 6470M 1GB, but is fairly new and on win i can play most of the games , on linux ... feels like a 5 year old card... by my calculations is almost 40% slower |
17:19.38 | vyrgozunqk | well i'm not talking about wine... i'm talking about native apps |
17:20.08 | vyrgozunqk | like Killing Floor, counter-strike 1.6 beta for linux, Team Fortress(source based).. Doom 3 and etc. |
17:20.29 | WarK | my gpu is annoying me. It's an nvidia but something is wrong. I don't know if it's a bug in the proprietary blob or my hardware is faulty but the blob is just unusable for me. Good thing that nouveau works nicely for me :) |
17:20.52 | WarK | only I can't really play games on nouveau |
17:20.58 | vyrgozunqk | WarK: nouveau is not working for you, it just renders your desktop :D |
17:21.06 | WarK | right |
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17:21.12 | vyrgozunqk | if you have a new nvidia, you probably have verry little 3D support |
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17:21.34 | WarK | but it does it without crashing, something that the proprietary blob can't do |
17:21.40 | vyrgozunqk | :D |
17:21.46 | vyrgozunqk | what is your gpu? |
17:21.49 | WarK | wobbly windows work, that's the important thign :) |
17:21.54 | vyrgozunqk | haha |
17:21.57 | WarK | geforce 9500gt |
17:21.59 | makism | why in 4.10 the pager shows the icons only when the panel has a large height? :-( |
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17:22.07 | vyrgozunqk | strange it works fine on my sister pc |
17:22.09 | makism | is there a way to override this behavior? |
17:22.11 | vyrgozunqk | she has same gpi |
17:22.13 | vyrgozunqk | gpu* |
17:22.47 | WarK | vyrgozunqk: it stopped working at 285.05.09 of the driver |
17:23.00 | WarK | I even tried installing Fedora but it fails as well. |
17:23.08 | vyrgozunqk | hmm maybe it's swapped to the legacy driver section |
17:23.26 | WarK | so it's either a hardware fault or a piculiar bug in the blob that gets triggered on my gpu |
17:23.51 | Sho_ | vyrgozunqk: radeon for linux gaming just doesn't work very well sadly because the drivers all suck |
17:23.58 | WarK | I tried a few versions of the driver but they all are broken |
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17:25.39 | vyrgozunqk | Sho_: well nvidia still doesnt have optimus support too, thanks to those pesky kernel devs :D |
17:25.47 | vyrgozunqk | and their GPL madness |
17:26.30 | vyrgozunqk | radeon hybrid switching too still has some problems thanks to them... so we should all thank them : ) |
17:27.09 | WarK | it is annoying. I have a laptop with an Intel gpu and it works nice. |
17:27.18 | WarK | I think my next cpu/gpu will be intell |
17:27.20 | WarK | intel |
17:27.32 | vyrgozunqk | WarK: my laptop is with hybrid gpu - intel/amd :) |
17:27.39 | WarK | damn |
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17:27.55 | WarK | I guess you got the shortest straw :) |
17:28.10 | WarK | I've never had ati/amd gpu |
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17:30.28 | vyrgozunqk | WarK: :D |
17:30.40 | vyrgozunqk | well i'm fairly satisfied with it |
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17:31.04 | WarK | on the other hand, I had a netbook with amd fusion and it seemed to work fine. I only had it for 3 days, though. |
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17:31.52 | vyrgozunqk | fell fusion is good for gaming, but lacks brute computing force |
17:32.28 | WarK | I've never done anything with computing on a gpu |
17:32.35 | WarK | and the games I play are rather old |
17:33.06 | WarK | I've managed to get Hexen working on vavoom engine and I'm in heaven (or hell :) ) |
17:33.08 | vyrgozunqk | no i don't mean GPU computing, but processor computing since fusion is gpu/cpu bonded |
17:33.14 | WarK | ahh |
17:33.17 | WarK | right |
17:33.27 | ello_govna | Is it possible to not group the icons in the icon-only task manager panel? |
17:33.50 | WarK | I use my desktop CPU for compiling when a new version of kde or kernel come out :) |
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17:34.13 | vyrgozunqk | WarK: well don't do it on amd cpu :D |
17:34.24 | WarK | I do it on an AMD cpu :P |
17:34.29 | WarK | phenom x4 :D |
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17:34.42 | vyrgozunqk | well this is different of fusion :P |
17:34.44 | WarK | I used to do it on my old atholn64 too |
17:34.57 | vyrgozunqk | how much time does it take for the kernel ? |
17:35.10 | WarK | under 3 minutes |
17:35.26 | WarK | although I have my "custom" .config |
17:35.41 | vyrgozunqk | 3 min. 0.o |
17:35.47 | WarK | I think |
17:35.51 | vyrgozunqk | what are you compiling, 3 drivers ? :D |
17:35.57 | WarK | :) |
17:36.16 | vyrgozunqk | what's the speed of your phenom |
17:36.18 | WarK | well, it works for me :) |
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17:36.37 | WarK | AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor cpu MHz : 3400.000 |
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17:36.56 | WarK | tbh, I think I got too powerful (expensive) cpu |
17:37.00 | vyrgozunqk | and i guess you're doing 8 tasks per cycle |
17:37.10 | WarK | 4 |
17:37.17 | WarK | well, make -j5 |
17:37.27 | vyrgozunqk | dont you have something like HT ? |
17:37.32 | WarK | nope |
17:37.40 | WarK | I think only intel has that |
17:37.43 | vyrgozunqk | i can't remember amd's name of hyper threading |
17:37.56 | WarK | I don't think there is one. It's just a quad core |
17:38.10 | WarK | maybe in the newer, bulldozer thingy |
17:38.15 | WarK | but I don't know about htat |
17:38.32 | WarK | I've had this phenom for 2 years now |
17:39.04 | WarK | I shoudl've got something low energy, I had athlon x2 low energy at work and it was very nice, smooth and quiet |
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17:40.00 | vyrgozunqk | WarK: you can buy laptop cpu |
17:40.02 | vyrgozunqk | : ) |
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17:40.25 | WarK | not sure. I'm talking about my desktop that has phenom. My laptop is core 2 duo |
17:40.44 | WarK | I don't compile stuff on my laptop but it works smooth for usual desktop things |
17:41.11 | vyrgozunqk | well i had my laptop's core2 on my desktop MB and was working fine, quest and cold |
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17:42.02 | vyrgozunqk | but yeah since your laptop is C2D and PC amd... wont happen |
17:42.40 | WarK | well, I could try a heavier hammer… :) |
17:42.49 | vyrgozunqk | yep |
17:42.51 | vyrgozunqk | :D |
17:43.46 | WarK | seems like some of the docs is missing or have changed their location on the KDE site. |
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17:45.46 | vyrgozunqk | omfg just tryed to install counter-strike source on linux steam and it's downloading... something |
17:45.51 | vyrgozunqk | this is big news ! |
17:45.56 | WarK | :) |
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17:46.19 | ChemBro | vyrgozunqk: old news is old :P |
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17:46.37 | WarK | not that old :) |
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17:47.22 | vyrgozunqk | ChemBro: it;s not officially released ! |
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17:47.42 | ChemBro | same goes for steam for linux |
17:47.48 | vyrgozunqk | i should tell omgubuntu |
17:47.51 | shakaponk | holla guyz, how do i add a network manager widget to the system tray? is it possible? |
17:49.11 | WarK | it definitely is possible |
17:50.12 | shakaponk | nevermind, i found it |
17:50.15 | shakaponk | thx |
17:50.19 | WarK | when your widgets are "unlocked" click the funky icon at the end… |
17:50.28 | WarK | I'm faster than a speeding bullet :) |
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17:51.35 | shakaponk | WarK: :-D but i'm faster :-D thx |
17:51.44 | WarK | :) |
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18:22.31 | faemir | Hey guys, would it be possible to export the air 4.9 theme to use in 4.10? I'm not a fan of the new one. |
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18:25.14 | mr0wl | what is considered a "KDE" browser? |
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18:26.43 | shevy | FIREFOX |
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18:28.01 | BluesKaj | mr0wl, rekonq and konqueror , but the first is clunky and the 2nd is depracated |
18:28.21 | xardas008 | has someone of you netrunner os running and just upgraded to KDE 4.10? |
18:28.47 | svuorela | BluesKaj: who said konqueror was deprecated? |
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18:30.04 | BluesKaj | I did ...it might as well be officially ...it's worse than rekonq now |
18:30.10 | BluesKaj | svuorela, |
18:30.44 | svuorela | BluesKaj: konqueror is not deprecated at all. please get your facts straight |
18:31.12 | BluesKaj | it's unfortunate , i used to like konqueror a lot , I used as my default browser for a few yrs |
18:31.30 | svuorela | BluesKaj: anyways, please stop spreading false information. |
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18:33.54 | BluesKaj | svuorela, uhm, maybe the ppl responsible for maintaining konqueror will take a hint and fix it , just because it isn't officially depracated doesn't change the fact that it's been negelected badly , so which one is the false impression ? |
18:34.16 | svuorela | BluesKaj: what makes you think it is neglected? |
18:34.57 | BluesKaj | because it breaks |
18:35.37 | svuorela | it does? |
18:35.41 | BluesKaj | yes , more than rekonq |
18:36.00 | BluesKaj | try it |
18:36.09 | BluesKaj | try both |
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18:36.52 | Brian_H | anyone know of an app that allows synchronization of KDE settings across computers? |
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18:37.12 | Brian_H | or if there was a way to export them easily that would be nice too |
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18:37.57 | svuorela | BluesKaj: given they in many installations nowadays uses same rendering engine, the crashes should be similar. |
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18:40.26 | BluesKaj | Brian_H, I haven't used it but check out rsync |
18:41.08 | Brian_H | darn, was hoping for something that was designed for it, I can use rsync but then I have to figure out which config files to sync |
18:41.27 | faemir | why not sync your entire .kde4? |
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18:41.44 | svuorela | watch out with doing that |
18:42.21 | faemir | yeah I wouldn't mix different kde versions or something |
18:42.31 | faemir | but if the distro/kde is the same? |
18:42.44 | Brian_H | yea it is I don't like running 3 different OS's :) |
18:43.32 | svuorela | there is also a lot of local data in .kde - for example kmail saves references to stuff in the sql database living in .config |
18:44.04 | Brian_H | thats kinda the challenge I'm having there are a lot of various things stored in various places :) |
18:44.07 | BluesKaj | using PIM Brian_H ? |
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18:44.40 | Brian_H | does it sync to some cloud based solution? |
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18:44.50 | Brian_H | Im not no |
18:44.53 | Brian_H | sorry misread that |
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18:45.38 | faemir | Brian_H: if you find the files, ln them to dropbox on both pc's and you have 'cloud-based' |
18:45.59 | Brian_H | thinking that will have to be my solution |
18:46.05 | Brian_H | owncloud + symlinking certain files :) |
18:46.14 | Brian_H | was just trying to not reinvent the wheel |
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18:52.04 | deufrai | Hi there. I'm running KDE 4.8.5 on the last LTS Ubuntu and I get this strange behaviour. When I have a single-window app minimized to miniature box, said window doesn't come to foreground when it's icon is clicked. Window is shown and "raised", since it's related item is blinking in the task manager, but the window is on the background |
18:52.25 | deufrai | Any pointers to solve this ? |
18:53.03 | deufrai | s/it's/its/g |
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18:59.42 | wmp | hello, is possible to change notification window size? http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/06/plasma-desktope20905.png |
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19:51.32 | wyattg | Can kwin lie to fullscreen flash videos and tell them they still have focus? |
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20:10.48 | immotus | anyone know off-hand which config file has the window look/feel settings in them? Some of the Window look/feel themes I was using in KDE49 aren't working in KDE410 (no window decorations at all) |
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20:21.09 | Civil | Hello, I've got 2 strange problems with kde 4.10 on gentoo arm (running on armv7, compiled with "-O2 -march=armv7a -mtune=cortex-a15 -mfpu=neon" on cortex a15 cpu). |
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20:21.57 | Civil | Mouse clicks doesn't work in widget adding panel and on some plasmoids (powerdevil, for example). Same problem was with kde 4.9 on same distro |
20:22.12 | Riley88 | hey is anyone here using intel hd 3000 |
20:22.17 | Civil | and after upgrading to kde 4.10, kwin can't enable opengl (though it's compiled with egl support) |
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20:22.36 | Riley88 | i could use some help with sna |
20:23.00 | Riley88 | i just did a fresh arch install and got the kde-meta package enabled sna and im lagging pretty good |
20:23.12 | Riley88 | and the tearfree option |
20:25.59 | Riley88 | im just seing a lot of lag with sna enabled is there a way to fix screen tearing with out it |
20:26.43 | Riley88 | so far ive only manage to fix it with sna enabled im on an older intel i5 2.5ghz dual core with hyper threading and 6gigs of ram |
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20:31.43 | Riley88 | can anyone help |
20:32.00 | thenameipicked_ | Am I able to set a keyboard command to move a window to another desktop? |
20:32.25 | KRF | thenameipicked_: there already is afaik, ctrl+alt+{left,right} |
20:33.11 | thenameipicked_ | that moves me to the next desktop, not the window |
20:33.33 | immotus | thenameipicked_: Activity? |
20:34.44 | thenameipicked_ | I don't use activities. Just multiple desktops |
20:35.32 | thenameipicked_ | and I would like to move the window that is currently selected to the desktop (left/right/up/down) |
20:36.56 | immotus | thenameipicked_: hit Alt-F2, type/run "Global Keyboard Shortcuts" Select KDE Component "KWin" and search for "window to screen" |
20:37.02 | immotus | thenameipicked_: maybe that will work for ya |
20:37.30 | thenameipicked_ | no, I don't think so |
20:37.30 | immotus | thenameipicked_: I don't know what they mean by "screen" there.. but it might do what you want ;^) |
20:37.34 | thenameipicked_ | but that's the right spot |
20:37.51 | thenameipicked_ | its probably if you have dualscreen |
20:37.56 | thenameipicked_ | I'll look around |
20:37.57 | thenameipicked_ | thanks! |
20:38.50 | thenameipicked_ | its "window one desktop left/right/etc..." |
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20:52.40 | ak70 | Guys, with the latest Dolphin, how can I unmount a partition on a external harddrive WITHOUT ejecting the device? |
20:52.54 | lainlives | why not umount ? |
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20:54.48 | ak70 | By using the command directly? not very convenient. Before 4.10, dolphin used to unmount the partition but leaving the device in the system. |
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20:55.24 | lainlives | right click the entry in the 'places' bar |
20:55.27 | ak70 | But now, when I click "Safely remove XXX" on a partition, it will eject the device |
20:55.29 | lainlives | it has /unmount' |
20:55.42 | lainlives | well at least for me on Fedora |
20:56.27 | ak70 | ah, I am using kubuntu with KDE 4.10, so it may be a distribution specific thing. |
20:57.23 | ak70 | on Kubuntu, "umount" is only for internal hard drives, for external ones, I only get "Safely remove" whose behavior has changed in 4.10 |
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21:23.07 | wyattg | I want to try a pretty significant re-jiggering of my plasma workspace. Is there a way I can do this without losing my current configuration? |
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21:25.28 | james147 | wyattg: back the configs up first ^^ the live in ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 |
21:26.01 | wyattg | Yah, I guess that would work. Thanks! |
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21:28.43 | edgy | Hi, if my screen brightness slider doesn't work in kde, where shall I file a bug? kde? acpid? kernel? |
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21:34.12 | paulfantom | edgy: what is your graphic card driver? |
21:34.29 | edgy | paulfantom: nvidia |
21:35.03 | paulfantom | edgy: are you using proprietary driver or nouveau? |
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21:36.31 | edgy | paulfantom: proprietary |
21:37.17 | paulfantom | edgy: try adding this parameter: "video.brightness_switch_enabled=1" to your grub.cfg in "linux" line |
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21:38.19 | edgy | paulfantom: before I do that and reboot, I want to say I can control brightness using keyboard keys but not kde slider |
21:38.40 | paulfantom | hmm |
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21:40.09 | paulfantom | edgy: have you tried to control brightness via dbus? for example using qdbus? |
21:40.12 | edgy | paulfantom: and also editing /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness works |
21:40.31 | edgy | paulfantom: I don't know how to use qdbus, any hint? |
21:40.47 | paulfantom | edgy:in a moment |
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21:44.43 | jeroen- | I have a plasma crash during startup. I've found out that when I delete .kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc it works, but than I loose all my palsma widgets and such. How to find out whats wrong? |
21:44.56 | jeroen- | oh using kde 4.10 |
21:45.27 | paulfantom | edgy: qdbus org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement /org/kde/Solid/PowerManagement org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement.setBrightness 50 |
21:45.56 | paulfantom | edgy: should do the same as slider set to 50% |
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21:46.28 | edgy | paulfantom: exactly, it moves the slider to the set number but the brightness doesn't change |
21:47.32 | paulfantom | edgy: your nvidia driver is 304.xx or 310.xx? it is said that this problem is solved in 310.xx |
21:48.07 | edgy | paulfantom: mine is 313.18 |
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21:51.20 | paulfantom | edgy: i'm sorry, i can't help you, i don't know how. Communication between proprietery nvidia driver and dbus is somehow broken, but i don't know where. |
21:52.12 | edgy | paulfantom: I just tried gnome-control-panel power and it works |
21:52.21 | edgy | so it's kde specific |
21:52.36 | paulfantom | probably Solid |
21:52.43 | _kdepepo | jeroen-, could be bug 312075 (if you had Paste widget installed) |
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21:53.55 | edgy | paulfantom: ok, then I will file a bug to solid |
21:54.39 | jeroen- | _kdepepo: paste widget? is this the same as klipper? |
21:54.44 | edgy | paulfantom: I have another pc on which the brightness doesn't work at all, neither from keyboard or slider ;) |
21:54.52 | _kdepepo | nope |
21:55.01 | edgy | paulfantom: let me try your grub line on it |
21:55.05 | jeroen- | oh than i dont have that widget |
21:55.19 | paulfantom | edgy: on my PC it helped |
21:55.30 | _kdepepo | jeroen-, anyway, try removing then readding the systray widget |
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21:56.00 | edgy | paulfantom: I just wonder how come linux gurus like greg kh claim hardware support in linux is better than windows ;) |
21:56.13 | jeroen- | _kdepepo: ok |
21:57.00 | paulfantom | edgy: nvidia doesn't support linux well enough |
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21:57.24 | paulfantom | edgy: probably:) |
21:57.53 | paulfantom | edgy: and they probably use nouveau:) |
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21:58.19 | edgy | paulfantom: why kde uses the nvidia interface for brightness? can't they set it directly using a kernel call e.g |
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21:58.42 | rangergord | hi |
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21:59.04 | withnale | Did the changes ever come into KDE to allow for MOUSE4 and MOUSE5 to be directly bound? |
21:59.14 | rangergord | New to KDE (except for a terrible Kubuntu adventure in 2008), and not very experienced with Linux either. What distro should I use to try out KDE 4.10? |
21:59.40 | rangergord | is it better to wait for an upcoming release? |
21:59.50 | ChemBro | maybe wait a little bit, rangergord? |
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22:00.03 | _kdepepo | rangergord, wait until debian stable has 4.10 |
22:00.05 | rangergord | ChemBro: for what? opensuse? |
22:00.07 | _kdepepo | LOL |
22:00.09 | Civil | Can somebody help me with few strange bugs on ARM? (kde 4.10, gentoo) |
22:00.10 | edgy | rangergord: I use arch but it's not for beginners |
22:00.24 | rangergord | _kdepepo: hehe |
22:00.45 | rangergord | edgy: yeah I don't wanna hack away at a terminal to configure things |
22:00.51 | ChemBro | rangergord: just not now, maybe one week or so, the packages are still very fresh and there might be packaging bugs |
22:00.57 | paulfantom | edgy: i really don't know |
22:00.58 | rangergord | (at least not desktop things) |
22:01.27 | ChemBro | as for the distro: take the one you like |
22:01.39 | jeroen- | _kdepepo: that was it |
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22:01.44 | jeroen- | thanks!!!!!1 |
22:01.47 | edgy | paulfantom: np, with your grub option kde doesn't even login ;) |
22:02.04 | edgy | paulfantom: I am willing to install noveau and try it on that laptop |
22:02.20 | paulfantom | edgy: now i'm puzzled:) |
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22:03.28 | edgy | paulfantom: and if with noveau it doesn't work, you need to hide in a good place ;) |
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22:04.05 | paulfantom | edgy: now, I think I need to build a fort ;) |
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22:05.28 | rangergord | how large is the KDE Libraries source, if I wanted to check it out? |
22:05.44 | rangergord | I'm on a small SSD and don't wanna check out 800MB of code |
22:05.58 | rangergord | (I'm more worried about resources like icons and such taking up all the space) |
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22:06.36 | Brian_H | whats the best way to reset my kde user profile (settings) without loosing the application settings? |
22:07.02 | james147 | Brian_H: you mean just plasma? |
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22:07.36 | Brian_H | yea for some reason with 4.10 my battery icon doesn't work any more - and I have some weird window focus issue anyways that's been bothering me for months :p |
22:07.56 | james147 | Brian_H: ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* are the files you want |
22:08.04 | paulfantom | edgy: there are also two other methods which can help to get brightness control with proprietary nvidia driver. First: add "acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor" to grub or the second one: add 'Option “RegistryDwords” “EnableBrightnessControl=1″ ' to xorg.conf in section "Device" |
22:08.15 | james147 | Brian_H: ~/.kde/share/config/kwin* for kwin |
22:08.34 | paulfantom | edgy: some people it help, some it does not |
22:09.07 | Brian_H | awesome thanks! :) I'll do that |
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22:11.40 | Tanktalus | yay, KDE SC 4.10. Boo, no desktop. (How Xchat got started, I don't know - though it was running when I shut down) |
22:11.47 | _kdepepo | rangergord, you can view sources online :) |
22:12.01 | Tanktalus | Any ideas what to look for here? |
22:12.31 | Tanktalus | No window manager by the looks of things, no launcher bar at the bottom, either. |
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22:13.05 | _kdepepo | rangergord, git clone of "kdelibs" has 270 mb on my system. |
22:13.24 | _kdepepo | note that includes full history :P |
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22:13.58 | _kdepepo | the tar should be some 80 mb uncompressed |
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22:16.33 | Tanktalus | why is plasma not displaying anything :( |
22:16.39 | edgy | paulfantom: installed nouvea and now I couldn't boot, it stopped at "Mounted /tmp" |
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22:18.14 | paulfantom | edgy: what is in logs? |
22:18.42 | edgy | paulfantom: how can I access the logs if I can't boot into my system? |
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22:18.54 | rferris | edgy: live cd? |
22:18.59 | rferris | mount filesystem |
22:19.02 | rferris | check logs |
22:19.06 | rferris | success \o/ |
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22:19.52 | paulfantom | edgy: or try with disabling nouveau, in grub rdblacklist=nouveau |
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22:20.07 | edgy | paulfantom: you are my man not rferris ;) |
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22:20.52 | rferris | okay.jpg |
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22:22.10 | Tanktalus | :( |
22:22.49 | Brian_H | hmmm ok well deleted that stuff now my notification applets are in the top left hand corner of the screen :) how do I rest the whole profile w/o loosing things like quassels config? |
22:23.25 | edgy | paulfantom: still it stopped at the same line |
22:24.30 | paulfantom | edgy: hmm so try booting with "single" option added to grub |
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22:24.47 | paulfantom | edgy: you will have only command line |
22:25.11 | paulfantom | edgy: and then check logs |
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22:26.37 | Tanktalus | No one knows why plasma-desktop might be crashing, or any idea where to look for more info? |
22:27.04 | _kdepepo | Tanktalus, backtrace? |
22:27.26 | edgy | paulfantom: already tried single and still same problem |
22:27.46 | edgy | paulfantom: if I have to use a CD then I will leave it for tomorrow |
22:27.48 | Tanktalus | _kdepepo: I can't get it. drkonqi doesn't ever show up, and I can't figure out how to get it from gdb :( |
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22:28.12 | _kdepepo | can you Alt+F2 konsole |
22:28.31 | Tanktalus | I have a konsole up - my hotkeys still work. |
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22:28.53 | Tanktalus | The bar at the bottom of the screen is also missing (I forget its name right now... long day) |
22:28.57 | _kdepepo | first try "killall plasma-desktop" then "plasma-desktop" |
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22:29.16 | Tanktalus | killall plasma-desktop |
22:29.16 | Tanktalus | plasma-desktop: no process found |
22:29.44 | _kdepepo | start it (first was just to be sure there was nothing hanging) |
22:30.12 | Tanktalus | Re-running plasma-desktop gets lots of output, but nothing happens. Let's see if I can find a way to pastebin it (if you think that'd be helpful?) |
22:30.40 | _kdepepo | nothing happens, but the process terminates? |
22:30.51 | _kdepepo | output would be useful, yes |
22:31.03 | Tanktalus | I think drkonqi catches it, but I never see drkonqi - its window never properly shows up. |
22:31.11 | edgy | paulfantom: appreciate your hints. will leave this for tomorrow, thanks again |
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22:31.27 | paulfantom | edgy: I'm thinking how can it be that "single" mode doesn't work |
22:31.45 | paulfantom | edgy: np, hoped to help more |
22:32.21 | Tanktalus | http://pastebin.ca/2311287 |
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22:33.14 | Tanktalus | konsole, amarok, kmail (kontact) are all running... just not plasma-desktop :( (so far) |
22:33.28 | edgy | paulfantom: I really don't know but I guess nouveau is related to the kernel so it messed something up |
22:34.38 | paulfantom | edgy: but I thought that in single mode graphic card driver isn't loaded |
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22:35.12 | edgy | paulfantom: it's actuall saying: "Started Set Up Additional Binary Formats. Mounted /tmp." and stuck there |
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22:36.26 | _kdepepo | okay, so it indeed crashes, to get a backtrace from gdb you have to use "gdb --args plasma-desktop --nofork" |
22:36.45 | _kdepepo | in dgb "run", wait for crash, then "bt" |
22:36.48 | _kdepepo | gfb |
22:36.51 | _kdepepo | argh |
22:36.53 | _kdepepo | gdb |
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22:37.04 | edgy | paulfantom: someone at #archlinux helped me by using nomodeset now it booted into cli |
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22:37.11 | Tanktalus | so, not the perl debugger, then. :P Ok, let me try. |
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22:37.36 | paulfantom | edgy: oh, I forgot about it |
22:37.41 | paulfantom | edgy: sorry |
22:38.07 | Tanktalus | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
22:38.07 | Tanktalus | 0x00007ffff5f80e9c in QDeclarativeVMEMetaObject::metaCall(QMetaObject::Call, int, void**) () from /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtDeclarative.so.4 |
22:38.16 | Tanktalus | The rest will go into another paste. |
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22:40.00 | Tanktalus | http://pastebin.ca/2311291 |
22:40.31 | _kdepepo | Tanktalus, that's bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311751 (Qt bug), patch is attached at the bottom |
22:40.53 | _kdepepo | see also https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-29082 |
22:41.06 | Tanktalus | _kdepepo: thanks ! :) |
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22:43.30 | Tanktalus | I'll see how to get this built - shouldn't be toooooo hard since I'm at least on a source distro anyway :) |
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22:46.47 | Brian_H | ok so I've deleted the ~/.kde directory and restarted kde as my user... are there any other directories that might be holding on to settings? I'm still getting a bunch of my notification applets in the upper right hand corner of the screen |
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22:48.43 | esdaniel | anyone know if this channel is being archived to web and what's the link? |
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22:53.43 | edgy | paulfantom: : I reinstalled nvidia and tried the Option "RegistryDwords". there is progress now, I click on the slider and when I try to move it, it moves a very little step and I can see the brightness started to change and the slider disappears quickly ;) |
22:53.46 | Tanktalus | _kdepepo: thanks, that patch worked! :) Well, plasma-desktop is up now anyway, I'm going to have to restart X I think :) |
22:54.36 | _kdepepo | you compile Qt in 10 minutes? |
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22:54.49 | _kdepepo | needs a faster machine :P |
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22:55.48 | paulfantom | edgy: I assume you can now adjust brightness via qdbus? |
22:55.49 | Tanktalus | ok, new problem... :-( |
22:56.01 | Tanktalus | _kdepepo: I just recompiled core in about 7 minutes, yes. |
22:56.12 | edgy | paulfantom: yes |
22:56.20 | _kdepepo | ah, QtCore only ... |
22:56.30 | edgy | paulfantom: so where the bug lies? |
22:56.44 | Tanktalus | This system is 3 years old, maybe later I'll get a faster one ;) |
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22:57.00 | Tanktalus | Anyway... none of the window decorations are showing up. |
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22:57.23 | _kdepepo | does kwin run? |
22:57.56 | Tanktalus | And dialog boxes aren't showing up, though they DO show up in the task manager at the bottom ... |
22:58.01 | Tanktalus | pgrep says it does: |
22:58.04 | Tanktalus | 14893 kwin -session 10dd61626f000128096355000000059020000_1360191268_791333 |
22:58.43 | paulfantom | edgy: now I can't tell you but I'll try to reproduce it and check |
22:59.04 | _kdepepo | Tanktalus, can you move windows with Alt+drag |
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22:59.16 | Tanktalus | yes, I could do that before the qtcore recompile. |
22:59.26 | _kdepepo | but not after? |
22:59.34 | paulfantom | edgy: I would still report it to Solid, but it can be sth different |
22:59.35 | Tanktalus | oh, no, I still can do it. :) |
23:00.16 | _kdepepo | okey, try changing deco in "kcmshell4 kwindecoration" |
23:00.41 | _kdepepo | if they still don't show, try Alt+Shift+F12 to toggle compositing |
23:00.56 | Tanktalus | That entire kcmshell4 dialog isn't coming up :P |
23:00.56 | edgy | paulfantom: ok thanks a lot |
23:01.36 | _kdepepo | does "systemsettings" work? |
23:02.11 | Tanktalus | yeah, systemsettings works, and Alt+Shift+F12 gets the window decorations to show up :( |
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23:03.05 | paulfantom | edgy: np, I'm glad I could help:) |
23:03.13 | _kdepepo | if you only have decos when effects are disabled, please ask in #kwin or on forum.kde.org |
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23:04.17 | Tanktalus | Thanks, will do. |
23:04.25 | _kdepepo | might be a GL driver issue |
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23:06.18 | Tanktalus | they seem quieter :-) |
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23:07.53 | _kdepepo | yeah, if you want immediate response, file a kwin bug, Thomas doesn't use irc |
23:08.29 | Tanktalus | :) |
23:08.43 | Tanktalus | Not quite as immediate as I'd hope ;) |
23:09.40 | Tanktalus | a couple minutes to recompile mesa and kwin with gles support and see if that helps. |
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23:19.16 | Tanktalus | Found it ... translucency. Disable that effect, and it works. Time to open kde bug, then. Thanks, _kdepepo |
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