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01:00.13Zero_Angellainlives do you play D2 on fullscreen mode?
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01:00.45lainlivesno
01:00.48lainliveswindow mode
01:00.51Zero_AngelI think fullscreen mode has the potential to ignore the alt-drag mouse/kb combo
01:00.54lainlivesit does
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01:00.58lainlivesbut i like window mode
01:01.08lainliveswine fullscreen res change breaks stuff
01:01.12Zero_AngelYou are running D2 through wine right?
01:01.14Zero_Angelyeah
01:01.17lainlivesIE 1/4 of the picture is on the monitor
01:01.41Zero_Angelanother thing you can try is to go into winecfg and disable having your window manager decorate the windows
01:01.42lainlivesfor RA2 i have to do an emulated desktop same res as my monitor lol
01:01.55Zero_Angelthis might be a workaround that works
01:01.57lainlivesZero_Angel: it dont help, for some reason wine cant properly change resolutions
01:01.57peaceblasterMay seem like a stupid question, but is the windows key supposed to open the menu thing? If so, KDE doesn't recognize the windows key...
01:02.14DaZit wont be :v
01:02.26Zero_Angellainlives, I know and its really annoying
01:02.28lainlivesby default its part of no shortcuts isnt it
01:02.36DaZpeaceblaster: it's not supposed to, but there's plasmoid or something to make it do that, iirc
01:02.41lainlivesZero_Angel: meh i dont play too many games in wine so it dont bother me
01:02.59lainlivesmost games i play have a window mode anyway
01:03.26DaZpeaceblaster: ksuperkey
01:03.43lainlivesRA2 does, but it dont work unless the pixel depth is 16bits
01:04.02peaceblasterok, thanks
01:05.15Zero_Angelpeaceblaster, ALT+F1 tends to be the key combo used by most window managers for bringing up its main menu, similar to using Win/Super for Windows distros
01:05.53peaceblasteralright, yeah this is my first time running KDE and I'm used to the windows key doing its thing in gnome
01:05.56lainlivesctrl + backspace is my most used combination xD
01:06.03lainlivesctrl +shift + backspace*
01:06.59Zero_AngelI forget which distro had CTRL+ALT+Backspace, Backspace as the key combo to reset the X server. But that was the best one IMO.
01:07.00peaceblasterso where in this sea of menus do I go to make the windows key open "kickoff application launcher"?
01:07.12lainlivesZero_Angel:  fedora, but i changed mine to shift :P
01:07.20peaceblasterI'm in Slackware, and saw that in the docs somewhere
01:07.22DaZpeaceblaster: you don't.
01:07.35peaceblasterahh, ok
01:07.37peaceblastergotcha
01:07.53DaZeven ksuperkey emulates alt+f1  :v
01:08.06lainlivesjust map keyboard shortcut to application launcher widget
01:08.11DaZthat's just the way hotkeys are implemented.
01:08.13lainliveswhen you press it, it shall open :s
01:08.17peaceblasterOH I just click the top left corner to do that
01:08.24peaceblastersorry, n00b alert lol
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01:08.53Zero_Angelone of the things I don't like about KDE is how it tries to use the CTRL+F# as global keys for various plasma things
01:08.59peaceblasteralso, should icons for installed software be set automatically?
01:09.15Zero_AngelCTRL should never be used for an OS default global, OS globals should go to SUPER only
01:09.26lainlivespretty much
01:09.27DaZpeaceblaster: what do you mean exactly? :v
01:09.47DaZmeh, i'm fine with ctrl shortcuts
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01:10.26DaZworst one was kopete status toggle, which was ctrl+shift+w
01:10.41peaceblasterwell I used rpm2tgz to make myself a chrome install for Slackware, and the only way I can launch is via terminal =/
01:10.42DaZdunno, if it still is :v
01:10.55Zero_Angelyeah, ctrl is fine if you don't have any apps that use ctrl+F# hotkeys
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01:11.09Zero_Angelotherwise the plasma hotkeys override the app hotkeys
01:11.18lainlivesi basically remapped everything on my system by now though
01:11.34DaZpeaceblaster: why not chromium? >:
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01:15.21Zero_AngelYeah, I tend to remap SUPER+R to KRunner. Old Windows habits, you know.
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01:22.03lainlives:( i wish i had virtual desktop per monitor
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01:42.08ozone89hello!
01:42.37ozone89i'm running 4.9.2, and i couldn't get rid of an entry into the "recent" tab in the K menu
01:42.49ozone89it has unknown glyphs
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02:13.51gobostonehow the heck can there not be a way to undo highlighting in okular, am I missing somethin
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02:30.09ozone89solved
02:30.12ozone89'nite
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03:10.02virtualdor is it?
03:10.55qu-bitit could still be :\
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05:07.07brian__does anyone know why I can't register with kdetalk
05:07.23brian__I tried registering with both through kopete and teleapathy
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08:20.08ovidiu-florinhello world
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08:20.22ovidiu-florinhow does KDE perform with touchscreen?
08:20.54thiagoacceptably
08:22.01Sho_ovidiu-florin: Depends on which Workspace you use ... Plasma Desktop is mouse-oriented but tries to make everything vital available via single-click or drag so it works quite OK via touch; Plasma Netbook is even more touchscreen-designed and Plasma Active is for tablets anyway
08:23.58ovidiu-florinhow can I test them out? I don't have the touch screen device yet, but I would love to take a look at the interface.
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08:27.52Sho_ovidiu-florin: Most distro KDE live CDs ship Plasma Desktop and Plasma Netbook, and for Plasma Active you could download an image from their website ... and then try it all in VMs
08:28.11Sho_ovidiu-florin: VM won't give you OpenGL compositing, but for a glance it's OK
08:28.45ovidiu-florinSho_: ok, thank's, I'll give it a go
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08:29.04Sho_ovidiu-florin: enjoy
08:29.20jtirkovalgreetz channel
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08:31.14lipkabHi everyone.
08:31.25lipkabI'm about to report a bug related to energy management but I'm not sure which is the proper component.
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08:31.42lipkabCould someone help me?
08:31.53thiagopowerdevil
08:32.04lipkabThanks.
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08:33.01jtirkovalsomeone please explain this to me: kde-full Version: 5:76~pre1ubuntu3 (as it appears in my software manager)
08:33.46jtirkovalthis is "version" i upgraded to yesterday from manager
08:34.10jtirkovalbut i thought kde was only up to 4.something
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08:36.10ovidiu-florinjtirkoval: yes, kde 4.10 is the latest
08:36.51Sho_jtirkoval: This is really a question for your distro, not for us ... anyway, for historic reasons Debian distros all have these off-by-one numbers for KDE packages
08:37.58ovidiu-florinjtirkoval: if you use kubuntu, maybe ask on #kubuntu
08:38.14jtirkovalmint
08:38.41jtirkovalwhich, yes, i think is kubuntu
08:38.42Sho_actually the latest is 4.9.5 btw
08:38.45Sho_4.10 is at RC3
08:38.49Sho_final in February
08:39.08Sho_jtirkoval: yeah and Kubuntu in turn is a Debian derivative
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08:41.01jtirkovalwell, before i go, allow me to say: long live the best damned de on the planet! K!
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08:41.38ovidiu-florinif I change the workspace to Netbook, is this for all users of just for this one?
08:41.49Sho_just for that one
08:41.56ovidiu-florinok, thank's
08:41.57Sho_jtirkoval: :)
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08:56.40ovidiu-florinin the netbook workspace can I pun one window on half of a screen and annother on the other one?
08:56.51ovidiu-florinby window I mean application
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09:22.12jtheuerwhere do i have to put my company cert so kmail can find it as a persons root certificate?
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09:23.55ovidiu-florinjtheuer: kmail can accept unknown certificates
09:24.20ovidiu-florinit asks about it when it sees it
09:25.10ovidiu-florinI configured my imap acount and on first run it asked me about the certificate, and I sayd allways accept
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09:26.37jtheuerovidiu-florin: do you talk about people certs or server certs?
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09:27.25Sho_jtheuer: in kleopatra maybe?
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09:39.45jtheuerSho_: at least I could add the cert. have to find out how to make kmail find it... thanks
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10:09.21TomyLaptophow do i stop dolphin from littering my folders with ".directory" files
10:10.05TomyLaptopnm found it
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10:47.32Guest99270Hi, I need to figure out a way to work arround the KIO bug where /'s are turned into something else then inserted into filenames
10:49.34Guest99270It took me a long time to figure out how to deal with it from a bash prompt... and I just ran into another concequence of this bug, where create folder in Dolphin doesn't let me create the folder I want to create.
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11:05.27TorchGuest99270: do you have a bug number for this bug?
11:05.55Guest99270I think when I filed a bug in KIO, it was marked invalid because it was considered a "feature"
11:06.07Guest99270It has been this way for about a year
11:06.36Guest99270and I am saddened that it is still in place in the latest Kubuntu beta PPA / kde 4.9.98
11:07.44TorchGuest99270: yes, but the report might have more details on what is actually happening, so it could still be helpful to have a look.
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11:08.19Guest99270Torch, Ok I have one similar already up
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11:08.40Guest99270https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309192
11:08.43AknotHow can i make krunner to also search for files?
11:09.23Guest99270http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.kfm/13363
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11:09.55Aknoton my other hdd i mean
11:10.36Guest99270Aknot, I want to embed krunner directly in a panel, and It would be cool to search for files
11:12.13TorchGuest99270: afaik it's a unix limitation... any character is allowed in a file name but the slash.
11:12.29TorchGuest99270: the suggested workaround to replcae the slash by something that _looks like a slash_ seems weird to me.
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11:12.54Guest99270Torch, Yes, it doesn't work first of all..  http://www  does not work if replaced by divide signs
11:12.55TorchGuest99270: but anyway.... there's a bug and it's not clear if it's valid or not. what's your question? ;-)
11:12.57Aknotguest99270 i can find folders but only if they are on my primary drive, i have 2 drives
11:13.31TorchGuest99270: of course it does not work ;-)
11:13.34Guest99270Aknot,  There is a search program that you can update... akondai or something like that
11:13.57Guest99270Aknot, you should be able to configure it to search more devices.
11:14.14TorchAknot: system settings -> desktop search -> desktop query -> file indexing
11:14.23Guest99270Aknot,  I disable that program immediately on install because I am using such an old system
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11:15.32Guest99270Torch: So, I guess I found a way to recompile it, but I don't have time to do this for every update of KDE.
11:15.32Guest99270I guess I do have KDE installed on.. over 4 computers, so it might be worth my time, but really it is a horrible bug
11:15.47Aknotis my other hdd considered removable device?
11:16.22Guest99270Aknot:   Does it show up under media, or is it mounted somehwere else?   (answer is probably yes)
11:16.59Aknothow can i check
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11:17.36_43r0HI everybody, i'm using archlinux and kde4.9.5 after last update kdm isn't able to load any wm or fm nor kde-plasma nor enlightenmen while i'm able to load both with startkde or enlightenment_start in .xinitrc can anyone give me suggestions?
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11:19.11ScaryBlackGuyhi
11:19.21ScaryBlackGuyexcuse me, whats the best kde based distro out there?
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11:21.52ScaryBlackGuyanyone?
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11:27.56Guest99270ScaryBlackGuy: I use Kubuntu
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11:29.13Guest99270Aknot: When you get files off of it, what is the path?  /media/24224242/YourFiles/  or /usr/var/YourFiles
11:30.12Guest99270Torch: So I guess there is not a configuration file option to turn this off :(
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11:32.23ScaryBlackGuyGuest99270, what about opensuse?
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11:33.27Guest99270Guest50542: While opensuse has a really cool online customization system, Kubuntu works with UCk the Ubuntu Customization Kit,  so I remaster my disk with my profile, the way I like and can support for all users
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11:33.53Guest99270Guest50542: Also, Kubuntu has a good installer for USB drives, as my computer does not have a cd-rom
11:34.25Guest99270Guest50542: I can run a customized Kubuntu off of a USB stick, and install that onto the system
11:35.24ScaryBlackGuyi see
11:35.25Guest99270Guest50542: I am also partial to debian, and the apt package system.. but now Suse had repositories too,
11:35.29ScaryBlackGuyi just plan on running it in vmware
11:36.09Guest99270ScaryBlackGuy: LinuxMint I believe has a KDE version, it typically has the codecs and stuff working.
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11:36.41Guest99270ScaryBlackGuy: I have to add the mediabuntu repositories to be able to play all the videos and such when I run kubuntu
11:37.17ScaryBlackGuykubuntu will probably be less hassel than opensuse to run in vmware play?
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11:38.54Guest99270ScaryBlackGuy: They should bothwork..  I ran it in virtualbox, and it worked fine
11:39.19ScaryBlackGuyGuest99270, which is more refined?
11:39.40Guest99270If you already have Suse,  try it...   There is not much reason not to try both
11:41.22Aknotguest99270 its on /media/
11:41.25Guest99270Guest50542: I haven't used openSuse for a while...  Yast is nice..  I want more people to use Kubuntu so it gets more investment
11:41.49Guest99270Aknot: so it is probably thought of as removable.  Did you go to the settings that Torch suggested?
11:42.12Aknotyes i checked it, but then nepomuk does its thing and my computer is slow for hours
11:42.54Aknotill probably first move all the files off that hdd, then reformat it as ext4 as its ntfs currently
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11:46.06Aknotbtw how do i format it to ext4?
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11:46.40Janusz1Aknot: mkfs.ext4?
11:47.25Aknotjanusz1 what about with gui?
11:47.49Janusz1you are using linux and you can't do it in console?
11:47.56Janusz1you can use gparted
11:49.34Aknotok
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12:37.18fomalyo, im looking for a place to ask about a plasma widget, but the kde-look channel seems to be dead. what do?
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13:07.10icemakerzhow get video call with kde telepaty, im alrearedy install farstream and all telepaty plugin but im still cannot send file, video call, audio call from my yahoo or google account
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13:13.43BluesKajHi all
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13:18.12TaokiDamn. I hate it when I find a good plasmoid, but can't use it because I can't resize it too low
13:18.22TaokiWhy must so many plasmoids be limited to such large sizes x_x
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13:20.16AristideHi !
13:20.21AristideDo you know Nepomuk ?
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13:20.46AristideBecause when I check folder for indexing, and return in this setting, all folders are unchecked
13:20.57AristideAnd Nepomuk don't index files ><
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13:48.33cjaewhat is the kde setting that prevents windows from opening on the wrong screen again? I think the setting has moved or is called something new with a kde update
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13:49.10cjaesomething about treat screens as independent
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14:13.16wakeupHello. İ uphraded my kde to 4.9.8 rc2 but noe i see transparent menus and these make texts unreadable
14:13.29wakeupİs it a kubuntu 12.10 issue or kde
14:13.42wakeupCan u check the video that i recorded
14:13.44wakeuphttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1108813/+attachment/3505639/+files/transparent_bug.webm
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14:16.20wakeupSorry for spelling mistakes. İ am currently using my mobilr to write
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14:17.24Phr33d0mwakeup probably something in the kde theme not right
14:17.39Phr33d0mwakeup btw, just out of curiousity, what software are you using for recording?
14:20.05wakeupPhr33d0m: thanks.how can i fix it? Do u have any ideas?
14:20.28wakeupPhr33d0m: im using kazam. İt is very nice :)
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14:20.40Phr33d0mtry switching to a non-aurorae theme
14:20.55Phr33d0mah yeah, so they made progress with that project, nice
14:21.47Phr33d0manyways, you can search through KDE's bug tracker and see if other people have the same issue
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14:29.42_43r0Hi everybody, I'm using archlinux and kde 4.9.5. After inserting my login in kdm window on boot the screen goes black for an instant and i'm able to see some boot messages and then i have again the kdm window. I can't manage to start nor enlightenment nor kde from login manager. Everything works if I use startkde or enlightenment_start. Any idea?
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14:35.46wakeupPhr33d0m: thanks. O will
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14:35.51wakeupSorry
14:36.00wakeupİ will try to change theme
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14:36.18wakeupI already reported a bug regarding to this
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15:06.25wakeupPhr33d0m: but will it be fixed do u think? Or will aura themes be disabled
15:06.47Phr33d0mif it's a bug inside KDE it will probably be fixed
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15:11.06wakeup12Phr33d0m: thanks
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15:23.38_43r0no one can help me?
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15:29.39DarylXianIs there an integrated rsync plugin/functionality for Dolphin available?  Ideally, in an open split-view of two dirs, a clickable icon to 'sync' the 2 dirs' contents.
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15:32.17lainlivesi have an unmovable widget on my desktop that also has no option to remove it
15:32.32lainlivesit happened last night when parts of KDE were updated but not otehr parts in the official respository
15:32.50lainlivescauseed KDE to not load right, was fixed this morning though
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15:37.48lainlivesoh well i feel stupid
15:38.03lainliveslocking and then unlocking gave me the option to remove the pager
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16:31.37JoeSomebody"Move partition ‘/dev/sdg1’ to the right by 0.97 MiB and shrink it from 1.82 TiB to 1.43 TiB" i did not ask to move to the right
16:31.52JoeSomebodyit just goes  and does it on its own? WTF?
16:32.05JoeSomebodykde partition manager , nice going
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16:34.04TorchJoeSomebody: it was not properly aligned, so it has to be aligned now
16:34.30TorchJoeSomebody: or you accidentally moved it when resizing it ;-)
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16:37.58JoeSomebodyit was an ntfs 2tb drive that i want to shrink
16:38.04JoeSomebodyso why that?
16:38.15JoeSomebodyi am adding 400gb on the end for ext4
16:38.53JoeSomebodyoperation 2% complete
16:39.06JoeSomebodythis is hopeless it going to kill my data
16:39.06TorchJoeSomebody: yes, that will indeed take a while now
16:39.25TorchJoeSomebody: there's nothing that can be done about it
16:39.29JoeSomebodymy f17 system reboots every day
16:39.41JoeSomebodywhiel i am sleeping
16:39.48JoeSomebodyso its hopeless
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16:40.05TorchJoeSomebody: you're automatically rebooting a desktop during the night per cron job?
16:40.05JoeSomebodymafia owns my box or something
16:40.22JoeSomebodyno man it happens on its own
16:40.26JoeSomebodyim fracked or hacked
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16:40.36TorchJoeSomebody: aha
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16:40.51TorchJoeSomebody: problem is, you cannot interrupt the move job
16:40.57JoeSomebodyi know
16:40.58TorchJoeSomebody: because it cannot easily be rolled back
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16:42.09TorchJoeSomebody: time to find out where the reboots come from, then. and quickly, it appears ;-)
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16:44.18JoeSomebodyxorg i think
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16:44.28JoeSomebodyback later
16:44.33TorchJoeSomebody: good luck
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19:14.41TaokiThanks KDE devs for the "Qt graphics system" added in 4.9 for Desktop Effects. Setting it to Raster instead of Native causes all effects to work a lot faster than they did, and performance with desktop compositing is a lot better now!
19:14.53TaokiThought to let everyone know it was a very useful feature :P
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19:15.01TaokiI recently upgraded from 4.8.5 to 4.9.5
19:15.31Janusz1Taoki: it was in previous versions
19:15.44TaokiReally? It didn't show for me in 4.8.5
19:15.53TaokiOnly after upgrading to 4.9.5
19:16.07TaokiPretty sure I looked in the same menu before and it wasn't there
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19:16.57Janusz1I had raster, opengl, native since I started using kde Taoki
19:17.18Taokiinteresting. Wonder why it didn't show for me
19:17.40Janusz1what distro are you using?
19:17.49TaokiOpenGL and XRender is a separate list. Native and Raster are under that
19:17.52TaokiopenSUSE 12.2
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19:50.46kseiseIs there  a way to float widgets in Plasma Desktop?  I am looking to keep digiclock above my windows
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20:21.04rdieterkseise: by 'stay visible' , you mean not the notification applet's default behavior of only showing onscreen for a brief while, then hiding?
20:21.36rdieter(you can show them afterward by clicking on the notification widget)
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21:37.42invariantHow do I temporarily disable the screensaver?
21:38.06invariantI don't want to go in all kinds of menus to set and unset this all the time.
21:38.51rdieterkcmshell4 screensaver
21:39.07rdieter^^ make a shortcut for that, then you're down to 2 clicks
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21:40.53rdieter(well, 3 clicks, last to click "OK")
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21:42.44wgoslingIs there a decent KDE diff viewer?
21:43.53bangertwgosling: kompare ?
21:44.14bangertsvn diff | kompare -o -
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21:45.04wgoslingKompare demands I put the text into files.
21:45.32wgoslingWhat I want to do is have something that I can use to highlight the differences in unittest output.
21:46.02wgoslingMeld works ok, but has poor font/background contrast when using the Obsidian Coast KDE color scheme.
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21:49.19bangertwgosling: as i already said - use the "-o -" switch to diff stdin
21:50.01bangertinvariant: check out the org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver dbus interface
21:50.58bangertinvariant: there is a Inhibit() method, which presumably prevents the screensaver from becoming active...
21:51.21bangertinvariant: just dont forget to UnInhibit() ;-)
21:52.12bangertwgosling: what is it that meld can do that kompore can't
21:52.16invariantbangert, can't every videoplayer just do this?
21:52.38invariantbangert, or detect when a long video is being played such that people don't have to become computer expert to use this?
21:52.49bangertinvariant: yes - "they are supposed to" ;-) file a bug
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21:53.34bangertinvariant: which video player is this?
21:53.47invariantbangert, vlc
21:54.52wgoslingbangert: When you open Meld, you it will prompt you to open file, but you don't have to open files. When you launch Kompare, you have to tell it two text files to open. I just want to copy & paste text into it.
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21:56.07bangertinvariant: vlc already implements a dbus interface itself, so the developers apparently know how to use it. should be simple for them to implement it, but thats easy to say
21:56.24wgoslingbangert: so with meld, I can just dismiss the prompt, and it gives me two blank files which I can paste into.
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21:57.49bangertwgosling: i see.
22:00.38bangertinvariant: http://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/2730 - looks like it should work...
22:03.45bangertinvariant: check out the xdg-screensaver commandline tool
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23:09.10FrozenthiaHi, can someone help me with something?
23:11.03wgoslingFrozenthia: Don't ask to ask. Just ask.
23:12.14FrozenthiaI have installed several Linux distributions on my brother's computer hoping to use KDE. On every single one, it has conflicts with the GeForce GTX 580. I'm just wondering why that's the case. I've done it on Arch and Kubuntu.
23:12.56lainlivesmy cousin has such  card i beelieve
23:12.59lainliveshe has no issues
23:13.01wgoslingConflicts how?
23:13.47FrozenthiaEither nouveau drivers freeze everything, or newer drivers either don't boot, freeze from time to time, and so forth.
23:14.14FrozenthiaShould I get a different graphics card? Does anyone recommend a different type?
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23:15.41wgoslingThat seems odd. Do other DE's work?
23:16.50FrozenthiaI've only tested XFCE. I tried Archbang which comes with Openbox. Neither of them freeze.
23:17.44wgoslingHmm. Neither of those use any 3D/compositing stuff...
23:18.20FrozenthiaIndeed, turning off desktop effects with the F12 shortcut gets me in KDE.
23:18.48wgoslingAs in, that will cause a crash?
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23:20.24FrozenthiaWell, it seems like nouveau is default on here. Upon the logos fading in, it freezes. I can get past this with either alt+shift+F12, or alt+ctrl+12 and then closing out of the black screen that comes up.
23:20.52FrozenthiaWhen I was on Arch, installing new Nvidia drivers fixed the freeze, but caused everything to be extremely small, and still led to occasional freezes.
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23:21.34FrozenthiaOn Kubuntu, it leads to some new error and won't even boot. Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
23:21.41FrozenthiaI'm on Kubuntu at the moment.
23:23.51wgoslingI can't say I know how to help you. You might have luck on a distro-spcefic channel.
23:28.29wgoslingBest bet would be to ask on #ubuntu why you can't reboot after installing the Official driver.
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23:36.23mangdoodWhenever the wallet service is opened for the first time in KDE, you're asked for the password for the wallet, yes?
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23:56.01wgoslingYah. You should get a wizard asking to create and wallet, which will suggest you add a password to your wallet
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