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00:38.50qu-bitcould anyone offer me advice on how to speed up krunner responses? since upgrading to 4.9.x it's been slow.
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02:19.02frankkowhat am i missing if i get theese errors?: "CMake Error at akonadi_resource/CMakeLists.txt:41 (kcfg_generate_dbus_interface):" and "Unknown CMake command "kcfg_generate_dbus_interface"."
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04:06.39darwinwhen I start another session in console, it logs me in generically, rather than with a shell that can show I am using my username and that has my environment (i.e. for example it looks like 'bash-4.2$' rather than 'user@host.')
04:06.46darwinI mean, in konsole
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04:44.41OxDeadC0dedarwin: echo $PS1
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04:46.06OxDeadC0deI get \[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ . doing PS1="all_that" gives me the standard prompt. changing PS1 changes my prompt. Check ~/.bashrc
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05:16.37darwinOxDeadC0de, it is not just the prompt
05:17.07darwinyou have to do something like 'su - user' or do something else so it logs in with the full environment '/etc/profile' or whatever
05:17.17darwinand I do not know where to do what you are describing
05:18.16OxDeadC0deIn the terminal is where you type it. But I do recall having that problem in the past, on another computer. I don't know if I ever solved it.
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06:04.19junkDawgiewill Konqueror as a file manager eventually be phased out? it keeps losing features everytime i upgrade
06:04.37destrudo_dolphin is the way of the future
06:04.48destrudo_(They pay me to say this)
06:04.50junkDawgienot really an answer
06:04.54junkDawgielol
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06:05.05junkDawgieunderstood, politically correct
06:07.17junkDawgiei sometimes wonder if any developers actually USE this stuff, konqueror has been very useful to me managing multiple machines
06:07.42junkDawgiewhat do i know, i don't even own a smartphone
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06:13.16DaZdunno, i've never used konqueror since dolphin has been introduced :v
06:13.34destrudoDo they pay you to say that too?
06:13.45DaZunfortunately no >:
06:13.56DaZgotta do something about this.
06:13.58destrudoScap
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07:21.41bleomycinis smb built into dolphin just slow? seems to tap out around 25MB/s?
07:27.05bleomycinhrmm seems to be, mounting it manually taps out 113MB/s...lame
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11:49.58invariantI have a widget which I moved  from screen to another, but it's not drawn on the other screen. How can I get my widget back  on the first screen?
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11:51.44invariantOr perhaps the widget crashed?
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11:54.03invariantIt can be easily reproduced by creating an analog clock widget and moving it over the side of the screen.
11:54.24emilsedghwidgets do not crash.
11:54.24invariantIt's as if it is /dev/null outside of my screen.
11:54.30emilsedghif they crash, whole plasma crashes.
11:54.52invariantemilsedgh, what does happen then?
11:55.11emilsedghi dont have multiple screens, i dont know :)
11:55.40invariantemilsedgh, is there a command to relayout the widgets?
11:56.08kdepepoanalog clock is fixed in 4.9.4.
11:56.54invariantkdepepo, what do you mean?
11:57.08invariantkdepepo, this is a widget independent problem.
11:57.30kdepepooh, okey. In 4.9.3 the analog clock sometimes refuses to render.
11:59.17invariantIs there no way to list all the widgets on the command line?
11:59.37invariantOr display them in any other way?
11:59.53invariantBecause effectively I now have a memory leak.
12:00.20emilsedghall plasmoids or all running plasmoids?
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12:00.35emilsedghplasmoidviewer -la lists all known plasmoids.
12:01.14invariantemilsedgh, everything which I have added.
12:01.28invariantemilsedgh, wasn't that clear from context?
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12:01.47invariantemilsedgh, the context is that I have a widget with some information that I want back.
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12:02.06invariantemilsedgh, however that widget is not visible because it has been dragged outside of the visible region.
12:02.08emilsedghlook at your ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletrc
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12:02.50emilsedgh~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
12:03.10emilsedghall plasmoids on your desktop are stored in that file. with all their settings.
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12:04.21invariantemilsedgh, so, I first need to logout, then edit that file and the restart kde?
12:04.54emilsedghif you have some information you want to retrieve, before doing anything, backup that file
12:05.17emilsedghbut no need to restart, just `kquitapp plasma-desktop` then  edit the file and run plasma-desktop again.
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12:06.58invariantemilsedgh, thanks, but another thing broke now.
12:07.07invariantemilsedgh, which I know is solved after logging back in.
12:07.43emilsedghlet me know if there's any other way i can help
12:08.12invariantemilsedgh, implement moving a widget between screens :)
12:08.24emilsedghhehe
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13:28.52BluesKajHowdy all
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13:36.04TaokiHello. When I used to be in Windows, I had that click sound whenever I was opening a new folder and exploring. Is there any way to get something similar in Dolphin? I don't see a notification event in Desktop Settings - Notifications for clicking items
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14:10.09rdieterTaoki: i don't think dolphin supports that (playing sound on file/folder open)
14:10.19Taokiah, ok. No biggie then
14:10.31TaokiJust kinda used to like that and wanted to have it in KDE too :P
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14:14.33BluesKajfinds those sounds annoying :P
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14:48.42AndrzejLwas there any solution to this? obex-data-serve[3734]: segfault at 17 ip b738e456 sp bfbd8094 error 4 in libc-2.13.so[b7314000+161000]
14:49.10AndrzejLI am trying to send file to my N73 and it breaks the bluetooth connection
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14:54.22rdieterAndrzejL: that looks like a problem with obex-data-server (and not particularly a kde-specific issue)
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14:55.06AndrzejLpossibly - thank You
14:55.10rdieterin short, I'd recommend reporting that to your distro
14:55.40AndrzejLhehe I wish... they banned my @$$
14:55.42AndrzejL:)
14:55.57AndrzejLfor being a loyal friend
14:56.08AndrzejLand for not having tolerance to BS...
14:56.19AndrzejL5 years I wasted with them ;D
14:57.19AndrzejLI am running pclinuxos 2012 here with kde 4.9.2 but the same thing happens to debian testing with kde 4.8.3
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15:03.25aliquisAny idea for why my digikam show no images and showfoto no plugins/filters using 2.9.0-151.1 x86_64 on openSUSE 12.2 using openSUSE-12.2-KDE49 repository?
15:04.05rdieterAndrzejL: may be worth contacting obex-data-server upstream directly, http://wiki.muiline.com/obex-data-server#bugs
15:04.06aliquisI've found posts on the Internet with other people having the same problem with earlier versions of opensuse.
15:04.25rdieteraliquis: i'd suggest asking your distro first
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15:05.00aliquisrdieter: doing that to but only on irc so far and no reply there :)
15:05.16abextahow do I get shadows drawn around windows when i use dekorator as a decoration?
15:05.24rdieteraliquis: I can confirm that it's not a general problem (digikam-2.9 + kde-4.9.x works fine for me)
15:06.52rdieterabexta: it's a feature of the window decoration (for better or worse), i'm only aware of that being supported by oxygen
15:06.55aliquisrdieter: k. It seem weird, some people suggested changing data base manager but that seem kinda weird, others to reboot (I actually tried that :D) and yet others to make sure som additional packages was installed (like libpng and libtiff) but to begin with it's regular jpegs so. They have upper case filenames but yeah.. That's not likely to affect anything =P
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15:29.25danhariboI've installed kdevelop-valgrind-git
15:29.38danharibobut there's no plugin or anything showing up in kdevelop 4.4
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16:42.49cjaeis there something wrong with kio-slave in kde 4.8.5? I am experiencing terrbile local network tranfers. I also have nautilus installed and it reports to be transfering much faster
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16:45.23altermannare there any plans in cleaning up KDE? It seems so bloated
16:46.10norttiI think there is something called trinity desktop
16:46.16altermannit's got some many applications that install by default like blogging clients and feed readers
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16:46.39altermann2 file managers
16:46.53aliquisBut then again trinity desktop is supposed to be worked on by people who shouldn't touch it in the first place
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16:47.12aliquisAnd I suppose KDE 4.x is "bloated" in features not in junk code.
16:47.28aliquisSo if you want those features and have the hardware for it run it.
16:47.32aliquisIf don't well.. don't.
16:48.03aliquisPersonally I run Razor-Qt at the moment. I would run KDE if I had more than 4 but preferably 8 or 16 GB of RAM.
16:48.03altermannaliquis, but most have dependencies i assume
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16:48.27altermanni have 16gb of ram
16:48.31aliquisdependencies on what? On the futures?
16:48.35aliquisok, so why do you care?
16:48.43cjaeexactly
16:48.48aliquisDoes it matter if KDE use up 2 GB of them?
16:48.51aliquis4?
16:49.14aliquiseven if your browser use up 8 GB you still got 4 GB left for.. well.. I don't know. File caching? :D
16:49.22cjaeI have eight and only with VM can I ever fill more than 2-3
16:49.39norttiI have 64MB :P
16:50.07aliquisnortti: "screen is a perfectly viable desktop environment!"
16:50.18norttialiquis: yes
16:50.19cjaethe mice in my wall have 128 :-)
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16:50.35norttialiquis: I normaly don't run x11
16:51.04norttialiquis: links2 and mplayer work perfectly well in framebuffer, by the way
16:51.15aliquisThe sad thing is of course that irssi own konversation, mutt own kmail, centericq own ktp/telepathy, .. .;)
16:51.34Sho_can think of a fair number of things Konversation does better than irssi
16:51.55aliquisSho_: Maybe I'm missing out since most I need is text ;)
16:52.01norttilinks2 doesn't own konqueror, though
16:52.03Xeno_here system + kde with all the bells and whistles takes about 650-700MB of RAM, usual working setup (kontact, amarok/bangarang, rekonq, firefox, few tabs in  konsole)  stays at 1.1 - 1.3 GB
16:52.12aliquisAlso I guess I should had mentioned the Qt IRC client I doesn't use rather than the one I do use =P
16:52.30aliquisaltermann: anyway, KDE 4 try to do a lot of smart things, like indexing your e-mail and files and what not
16:52.34aliquisaltermann: and that use up resources.
16:52.45Sho_aliquis: Yeah. Try not to write too much text however, because irssi is incapable of splitting it up into multiple PRIVMSG protocol primitives below the server limit, and it won't notify you so unless someone tells you you'll never know your line got cut off on the recipient side
16:52.59Xeno_usualyy it's Inkscape that eats my ram, this and virtualbox :D
16:53.06Sho_aliquis: Of course there's a Perl script add-on to fix this, but oh wait it's not variable-width encoding aware so it will miscalculate and screw up on Utf-8
16:53.10aliquisaltermann: If you use that functionality that's nice. And well. Just accept it. If you don't want or your machine can't handle it then it's not that great but then why are you running it in the first place? =P
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16:53.51altermanni guess it's made for people who want to have a fully operational desktop to begin with
16:53.51altermannyet, there are so many programs installed you don't know where to begin with
16:53.51altermannwhat happens if i uninstall Konqueror?
16:53.51altermanni already have Firefox and Chrome
16:53.51altermanni don't see the use of K
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16:54.09aliquisThere's more or less no programs installed if you don't want to =P
16:54.17aliquisI installed suse with kde base and added programs on top of that
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16:54.26aliquisso unintall konqueror
16:54.28aliquisnothing happens
16:54.41aliquisyour problem is with the distribution and the package selection, not with kde =P
16:54.57altermannhmm
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16:55.58annmaaltermann: is your KDE slow?
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16:56.28aliquisI think I made a KDE base DVD here and installed that: http://susestudio.com/  And then added the programs I wanted on top of that rather than install some full KDE desktop with lots of stuff added on and try to remove things from that. I guess both approaches work, opensuse got zypper remove --clean-dep so... like zypper remove --clean-dep konqueror
16:56.58aliquisapt-get and yum got similar commands I think
16:57.25aliquisBut then again having konqueror installed but not running it won't use up much resources more than disk space anyway
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16:59.16cjaeif you have the system for it...its is very handy to have different/same applications installed, troubleshooting...boredom...other ppls preference etc
17:00.13altermannannma, not really, i find it that is has too many things installed by default
17:00.13altermanni'm wondering if there's a way to group erase the games for example rather than going through them one by one
17:00.15aliquisGuess it may be confusing / disturbing with lots of options in the menues though. Even more so when programs are called by names rather than what they do (but I don't like when they are renamed to what they do either.)
17:00.28aliquisBut then again there's ctrl-f2 or something such for typing and launching whatever you want.
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17:00.55annmaaltermann: this is a question for your distribution
17:01.01cjaethinks a 16GB ram system would be sporting a 20GB hdd unless of course it was a ssd with / on it
17:01.05annmausually games are not installed by default
17:01.10aliquisaltermann: I think the best would be to write down a list of the programs you actually want. Then installed something clean and bring in only the things you like yourself.
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17:02.01aliquis(which depending on distribution will be more or less of a bitch but my suggestion is of course to pick a distribution where it's not :D)
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18:22.52suboneNot sure how to word this... In kdiff3 how do i change the change boundary? For example, in B I have a new method and in C I have a different new method, but they are in the same place. So, instead of having 1 change block in B and one in C I have like 7 blocks in each that are trying to clobber one another. How can I change the boundary so that it is just one change block in B and one in C so I can select both B and C without them being intertwined?
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18:26.15suboneI can simply copy and paste each method into the output manually, but my understanding is this functionality exists and I'd like to know how it would work and how to initiate it.
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18:37.55tiduxhow do I disable the login sound in KDE through config files?
18:38.09tiduxI'd do it through the GUI but that particular part of systemsettings is missing in Debian Wheezy at the moment
18:38.19tiduxI'm filing a bug report, but in the meantime, I just want to disable the login sound
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18:45.05rdietertidux: this should do it: kwriteconfig --file kde.notifyrc --group 'Event/startkde' --key=Action ""
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20:03.57frankkohow do i set up my second monitor in kde?
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20:05.06frankkoi am rather in a hurry, and i a trying to get my projector to work before the attendees arrive
20:05.17frankkosorry for pressuring
20:05.51Inkanefrankko: go to systemsettings -> montior
20:06.02Inkanethere you can set it up
20:06.58frankkoif i search for monitor in systemsettings i come up with only gray icons
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20:08.00Inkanefrankko: hm, first entry in the hardware section?
20:08.33emilsedghfrankko: run this: kcmshell4 display
20:08.46emilsedghalthough, if you're on nvidia, i suggest you to try nvidia-settings.
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20:10.18frankkohttp://pastebin.com/4JheW3g8
20:10.23frankkomy errors
20:10.32frankkoi am using intel
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20:10.59emilsedghoh well, you dont have that installed
20:11.07emilsedghim not sure what it needs, whats your distro?
20:11.35emilsedghfrankko: how about krandrtray ?
20:12.04frankkoi will try that
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20:12.38emilsedghif you dont have it, install it.
20:12.43frankkoas for the pastebin result i thied: apt-file search kcm_display.desktop... No package had that file in it.
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20:13.52frankkoi do not have krandr on my system, and it seem not to be available
20:16.00Arrghxrandr is the lower-level command
20:16.23frankkothat i have
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20:16.50ArrghDoes display mirroring work already?
20:17.11frankkoi hs
20:17.31frankkoyes
20:18.08ArrghIf you don't absolutely need to have separate displays (e.g. your speaker notes are printed out) I'd advise not trying to get dual monitors working on a tight deadline. :)
20:18.57ArrghThere are a lot of distro- and adapter-specific things you need to use, and you risk destabilizing your system
20:19.01frankkoah ok.. but when i used debian squeeze i just altered the xorg.conf and got it working in notime
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20:20.51ArrghYeah, sometimes it's easy, but dual monitors in Linux can often be an iceberg
20:20.58frankkono such file in ubuntu  and all my commands and my old xorg does not work
20:21.52frankkoluckily i have os/2 installed so i can dualboot, but running a linux presentation on os/2 seems a bit silly
20:22.06Arrghheh
20:23.42ArrghTry installing arandr, it's a graphical frontend to XRandR
20:23.57ArrghAnd possibly i810switch
20:24.13frankkowill kde be ported to the latest os/2? QT is allready working and most of the SC is aswell. But the OS/2 desktop is ugly as dirt
20:24.33ArrghThat is a deeply silly question. :)
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20:26.20frankkoi know
20:26.47frankkobut os2 seems to have benefits to it that currently linux does not have
20:28.31frankkoand os/2 sure lacks hundreds if not thousands of things that linux have
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20:29.20votickHey, anyone know if there is an irc chat for PAIR development?
20:29.28frankkoi prefer using linux, but my employer still uses os/2 for their automated bank machines and i have to test against it
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22:38.17dtcrshrhello, my kde is black. I tryed to add "oxygen" theme, but it only changed the start bar, and the top of the program menu list -
22:38.29dtcrshrhttp://imagebin.org/237737
22:38.46dtcrshri have a theme manager, but cant find where to change the windows to a more clearer background
22:39.31FLHernedtcrshr: Have you changed 'colours' under Application Appearance?
22:39.54FLHerneThat itself is under Common Appearance/behaviour
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22:41.06dtcrshrhm.. cant find this menu
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22:42.26FLHerneIf you open the 'System Settings' application, click on 'Common Appearance and Behaviour' and then 'Application Appearance', it should be there
22:44.50dtcrshrwell. i cant find this on system settings, im using portuguese version, under kxstudio
22:44.55dtcrshrill search for the translation
22:45.13dtcrshrcant i call this via terminal?
22:45.22dtcrshrjust to be sure if the theming tool is really installed
22:48.22FLHernesystemsettings, surely?
22:48.39dtcrshryes!
22:49.48FLHerneSo...does that exist? Does it just not have that panel for some reason?
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22:50.09FLHerneWhat KDE version does kxstudio have?
22:50.33dtcrshri mispelled the translation
22:51.12FLHerneOh. Language barrier :-/
22:51.25dtcrshrnow im scavenging for the windows tinting
22:51.58dtcrshroh yes, thank you FLHerne
22:52.02dtcrshrim with oxygen cold
22:52.09dtcrshrdo you suggest any lice clear theme for kde?
22:53.11FLHernedtcrshr: I quite like Krita-bright
22:53.25FLHerneActually, most of the Krita schemes are quite good
22:54.20dtcrshroh thanks, ill have a look
22:54.27FLHerneTeasun is nice, but not very clear always
22:55.04FLHerneIf you just want pure contrast, Zion and Zion-reversed
22:56.28dtcrshrthanks
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23:14.43junkDawgiekde 4.6.....i seem to have lost system notification sounds and knotify4 crashes and must be restarted, audio/video files work fine any suggestions for a remedy?
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23:28.25FLHernejunkDawgie: The simple solution might just be to use a newer version - there've been a lot of bugfixes since 4.6 ;-)
23:30.52junkDawgiestrange you should mention that..... i was using 4.6 with no problems, upgraded to 4.8 which i didn't like (specifically changes in Konqueror), restored my backup (including .kde4 directory) and now i get crashing
23:31.06junkDawgiethanks for the response, FLHerne
23:31.44FLHernejunkDawgie: Might not be a very useful one :P
23:32.28junkDawgie:)
23:32.28FLHerneOddly enough, I seem to remembey knotify crashing for me at 4.6ish too
23:32.59FLHerne4.9 seems to finally have everything nailed :-)
23:33.03junkDawgiesystemsettings/Multimedia/Phonon crashes too
23:33.14FLHerneremembers how appalling 4.0 was :P
23:33.38junkDawgieno you have that wrong..... i used 4.Ouch
23:33.43FLHerneWhen I had that, it crashed if I tried to add more than one of the same widget :-/
23:34.05FLHerneHopefully 5.0 will be better :-)
23:34.28junkDawgiealways the optimist, huh?
23:35.36FLHerneYeah
23:35.46FLHerneI should probably sleep now, though :P
23:35.56FLHerneGetting on for midnight...
23:35.58junkDawgieagain, my thanks
23:36.02junkDawgiesleep well
23:36.26FLHerne'night :-)
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