| 00:00.02 | tpo | I guess that factoid "akonadi is just a cache" is not true |
| 00:00.07 | FLHerne | s/menu/submenu |
| 00:00.14 | michealPW | And now when I highlight an image, it shows "Width: 64" and "Height: 64" in the preview pane under the image preview. Is that what you mean, CR0W? |
| 00:00.28 | FLHerne | tpo: No, it's definitely not ;-) |
| 00:00.31 | CR0W | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:01.01 | FLHerne | That doesn't seem sensible, seeing as it clearly knows the size already :P |
| 00:01.03 | CR0W | FLHerne seem like either a bug or a bad joke. |
| 00:01.27 | michealPW | Oh I guess that would make sense cr0w. Vista's kinda the same, nothing that has anything to do with searching file contents (Including previews) seems to work once you disable the indexing services :| |
| 00:01.37 | michealPW | Nepomuk is just like their Index service, isn't it? |
| 00:01.42 | CR0W | FLHerne shows, but on that panel. The question is why can't it show under the icon, since we know it has the info. |
| 00:01.59 | vHanda | CR0W: could you elaborate? |
| 00:02.00 | vHanda | I'm not sure I understoof |
| 00:02.04 | vHanda | *understood |
| 00:02.14 | FLHerne | Perhaps it can look up the size when you select a single image, but it would be inefficient to find the size for every image each time you opened a directory |
| 00:02.31 | CR0W | vHanda in dolphin, theres an option to show image's wxh under the name right? (additional info) |
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| 00:02.42 | vHanda | yup |
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| 00:02.49 | FLHerne | IIRC, that menu toggles attributes shown under *every* file in the directory, rather than just the selected one |
| 00:03.03 | michealPW | CR0W: It could just be showing you what Nepomuk already index? It could be gray to show you that Nepomuk's not available to get anymore width/heights from new, unindexed files? I'm just guessing btw I'm not an expert |
| 00:03.07 | CR0W | vHanda the problem is this only works for files indexed with nepomuk. But dolphin knows the width and height of images since it shows those information in the details tab (f11) |
| 00:03.20 | vHanda | right, but it can't really search for it. |
| 00:03.36 | vHanda | hence it is greyed out |
| 00:03.43 | CR0W | FLHerne the size of an image is written in a header, it takes minimal time to read those data |
| 00:03.47 | michealPW | When I enable that option it makes Dolphin scroll really sluggish. |
| 00:03.49 | michealPW | Weird |
| 00:04.05 | CR0W | FLHerne what you said would be logical in case of e.g. md5 sums. |
| 00:04.21 | vHanda | When you click on the image width, it'll show you all the images with that width |
| 00:04.35 | vHanda | ALL = All that are indexed, not just that directory |
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| 00:05.20 | CR0W | cool, I would be happy just with the data under the icon, it's more comfortable than having to go thorugh them and watch the info tab |
| 00:05.21 | FLHerne | On a completely different note, has anyone tried to get Plasma Active working on a Pandora? Does it work? |
| 00:05.41 | KingMucus | Just one last piece of question: Do I need gtk+ installed in order to use klash as a browser plugin? |
| 00:05.56 | KingMucus | I'm unable to use klash as a plugin in any way. I'm using gentoo btw. |
| 00:06.15 | CR0W | I guess I'll report it to kde devs or something, if they'll say that;s intended, I'll patch it to do it my way. |
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| 00:06.39 | CR0W | Damn, just when I started to like it. |
| 00:07.08 | vHanda | CR0W: it'll be very hard to get it under the icon |
| 00:07.17 | vHanda | lets just say the code is very fucked up |
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| 00:07.47 | vHanda | CR0W: why not just enable Nepomuk? |
| 00:08.02 | CR0W | vHanda I don't need nepomuk's services. |
| 00:08.25 | vHanda | hmm, alright. Feel free to try and patch it up |
| 00:08.31 | vHanda | But it is going to be very very hard |
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| 00:08.37 | CR0W | I will. I hope... |
| 00:08.42 | vHanda | I know the code pretty weel |
| 00:08.42 | vHanda | *well |
| 00:08.54 | CR0W | Great things are aways hard I guess. |
| 00:09.10 | vHanda | The reason it is hard is that - that info is gotten when select that file. |
| 00:09.21 | vHanda | The strigi indexers are run on the file, and the information is extracted |
| 00:09.33 | vHanda | all of this needs to be done in a separate process cause strigi crashes a lot |
| 00:09.44 | vHanda | and dolphin then receives it, and displays it on the sidebar |
| 00:09.59 | vHanda | the momemt you select any other file, it discards the previous info |
| 00:10.03 | CR0W | vHanda I guess I'll just find the portion of the code which draws the filesize and duplicate it and modify to display image size and add a new option to the menu. |
| 00:10.09 | vHanda | ( There is no caching as well ) |
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| 00:10.26 | CR0W | vHanda but look |
| 00:11.04 | CR0W | vHanda so dolphin runs a thread which gets the size of the file, is that right? |
| 00:11.22 | CR0W | and than it obtains the size, draws it and caches untill I switch dir at least. |
| 00:11.36 | vHanda | uhm, 2 different things |
| 00:11.43 | vHanda | 1 Information Panel |
| 00:11.51 | vHanda | 2. Dolphin info which it shows under the file |
| 00:11.57 | CR0W | i won't even touch the panel. |
| 00:12.07 | CR0W | I understand. |
| 00:12.20 | vHanda | in order to get the image size in (2) |
| 00:12.36 | vHanda | you'll have to somehow get the image size, that involves reading the contents of the file |
| 00:12.41 | vHanda | which is very expensive |
| 00:13.19 | CR0W | vHanda I just think: just as dolphin obtains the filesize and displays it, I'll duplicate the code but modify so that it reads the filr header and obtains the image size, or empty string if it's not possible. Right? |
| 00:13.34 | vHanda | sure. |
| 00:13.56 | vHanda | That'll work. The difficult part is "reads the file header and obtains the image size" |
| 00:14.09 | CR0W | vHanda it's not very expensive, you need to read the first block of the file, know the offset, convert int to string. |
| 00:15.22 | CR0W | vHanda if you look in the additional details menu, you have there also "type" |
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| 00:15.35 | vHanda | isn't that the mimetype? :P |
| 00:15.40 | CR0W | vHanda and to get the type of an image you need to read first few bytes |
| 00:15.59 | vHanda | well, not exactly. Mimetype is done in two stages. |
| 00:16.01 | CR0W | vHanda um yeah and you need to read some magic number, right? |
| 00:16.03 | vHanda | stage 1 - by file name |
| 00:16.09 | vHanda | stage 2 - look at the contents |
| 00:16.27 | CR0W | um why would someone obtain by filename, lol |
| 00:16.38 | CR0W | kinda something ms would do |
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| 00:17.05 | vHanda | maybe I'm wrong. I haven't looked at the mimetype detection code for a long time |
| 00:17.16 | CR0W | vHanda youre right, it said an image is a text file cause it's *.txt... |
| 00:17.32 | CR0W | vHanda you're right, it's done naively. |
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| 00:18.49 | CR0W | vHanda actually, doesn't even stat require to read the inode so one page from the hdd/memory? |
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| 00:19.12 | vHanda | yup |
| 00:19.31 | vHanda | but that inode information counts as metadata of the file, and it is grouped together |
| 00:19.41 | CR0W | so it already reads 1 page at least, so 1 more shoudln't hurt I think. |
| 00:19.42 | vHanda | reading the actual data of the file would involve seeking |
| 00:20.01 | vHanda | I can't say |
| 00:20.09 | CR0W | vHanda no, most image formats contain the data I need in the first page. |
| 00:20.52 | vHanda | I agree. I can't say if it "won't hurt" cause afaik (I could be wrong) the metadata of a number of files is on the same hard disk sector |
| 00:21.00 | vHanda | so reading it is fast |
| 00:21.19 | vHanda | where as the data of each file can be on a different portion |
| 00:21.24 | vHanda | and that would require seeking |
| 00:21.28 | vHanda | anyway, this is all conjecture |
| 00:21.34 | vHanda | implement it, then lets see |
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| 00:22.30 | CR0W | Yeah, I guess that's the right way. |
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| 00:24.16 | tpo | so text-copy pasting from akonadiconsole into the *.cal file actually resurrected my calendar |
| 00:24.29 | tpo | thanks for all who pointed me to it! |
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| 09:44.28 | Dark_light | I've got an odd issue, I install the kfaenza icons then tried out the monochrome one but went back to faenza, now the weather widget on the panel uses a monochrome icon no matter what |
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| 10:18.30 | Aknot | oh its installed by default, whats the hotkey for it |
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| 10:22.11 | Bysmyyr | alt+f2? |
| 10:22.43 | Bysmyyr | I not sure if it is krunner... |
| 10:23.10 | Bysmyyr | but I thinks it is |
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| 10:23.41 | Aknot | got it |
| 10:24.30 | Aknot | nice program |
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| 11:25.58 | tetris4 | hello everyone..I noticed in dolphin you can tag documents, audio files and pictures |
| 11:26.10 | tetris4 | is that available for videos also? |
| 11:26.37 | tetris4 | if yes, what package could I be missing? |
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| 11:52.54 | [drd] | Hey, i'm using konqueror on a gnome 3 environment and i'd like it to store passwords, but when i check the option to save them it never does. I have looked over the internet and found that: http://www.konqueror.org/faq/#HowdoItellKonquerortoforgetallthecachedloginsandpasswords but from what i understand from everything i read there, it needs ksudo to be able to store the passwords, right? |
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| 11:54.01 | [drd] | Also the above links mention ftp passwords storage but i want to store fish and smb passwords. Also note that kdewallet is not launched at any time when i require konqueror to store the login/passwords, although it launches when i start kopete... |
| 11:54.07 | [drd] | Thanks in advance for your help |
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| 11:56.04 | flolo_new | is it now possible (with KDE 4.9) to put an image as background spanning multiple monitors? |
| 11:58.30 | Bysmyyr | I think no, split yöur image gimp and but them to right place |
| 12:00.16 | flolo_new | but then they are "out of sync" |
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| 12:10.40 | Aknot | Whats the name of the widget which shows the time left when moving files etc |
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| 12:16.59 | BluesKaj | Hey all |
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| 12:24.55 | gits1225 | I hope KDE won't go this route: https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/ |
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| 12:28.26 | Sterk | hi will there be any difference in boot-time for kde 4.10.*? kde still slow downs boot-time a lot compare to other DE;s out there. |
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| 12:34.29 | Sterk | any one? |
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| 12:40.12 | Eddi|zuHause | it's too early in the morning for that :) |
| 12:40.41 | [drd] | fake |
| 12:40.51 | [drd] | it's almost 2 in the afternoon! :p |
| 12:41.07 | Eddi|zuHause | yes. that's not a contradiction :) |
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| 12:55.46 | Sterk | so no kde dev that can answer my question? |
| 12:55.55 | Sterk | kde have negative effect on the boot-time |
| 12:56.59 | Sterk | I like kde a lot, but the boot-time is really bad, does not matter if using upstart, systemd or sysvinit. kde DE have really bad effect on boot-time. |
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| 12:58.23 | Sterk | when will dolphin folder animation come back? it was there for one point release in 4.7.* and then went away... |
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| 12:59.47 | Sho_ | Sterk: with "boot time" you mean before or after login? |
| 13:00.12 | Sterk | Sho_: after login |
| 13:00.28 | Sterk | it takes to much time to reach to the desktop |
| 13:00.32 | Sho_ | Sterk: then the choice of init system is indeed of no consequence |
| 13:00.39 | Sterk | Sho_: I have automatic login. |
| 13:01.03 | Sho_ | Sterk: what folder animation? |
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| 13:01.36 | Sterk | Sho_: from grub to desktop it takes around 1:30 sec and thats a lot of time. even if I have disabled som service from running in systemd. |
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| 13:02.52 | Sterk | Sho_: when you change size on dolphin the folder change animation. it was there for 4.7.* I think no it is gone... it was cool animation... |
| 13:02.54 | Sho_ | Sterk: I don't think there is much concrete happening right now in terms of work on KDE startup speed, although there have been some discussions of replacing the venerable startkde script with a binary solution written originally for Plasma Active, and there was an Intel guy looking into writing systemd unit files |
| 13:03.56 | Sho_ | Sterk: Changing size is animated here ... maybe you have set the effects level to Low in the style options in System Settings |
| 13:04.05 | Sterk | Sho_: okey. with other words kde will still have negative effect on boot-time... |
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| 13:04.35 | Sho_ | yeah well, I guess you won't g et your money back |
| 13:04.38 | Sterk | Sho_: I do can you explain which option? |
| 13:05.35 | Sterk | Sho_: I thought there were work with kwin to improve it more for 4.10 so it would not effect boot time so much. |
| 13:05.40 | Sterk | but I can be wrong |
| 13:05.49 | Sterk | wanted to doubble check with you guys |
| 13:06.01 | Sho_ | kwin has no significant effect on login speed |
| 13:06.36 | Sterk | Sho_: are you sure? |
| 13:06.49 | Sho_ | Improving login speed mostly requires replacing startkde with something that parallelizes better (above I told you about two things that might materialize there), and just charting what takes the most time and seeing if it can be optimized |
| 13:06.52 | Sho_ | Sterk: re option, http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-odx963 |
| 13:07.18 | Sho_ | and yes, I'm sure |
| 13:07.51 | Sterk | Sho_: :) anyway kde is really good DE, but I think I will accept KDE is boot-time enemy... only thing that can make boot-time good for kde is ssd I think.. |
| 13:08.00 | Sho_ | Of course every little bit h elps, and yes, kwin startup was optimized a bit recently, but it's not really a big chunk of the overall login time |
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| 13:09.16 | Sho_ | Sterk: well, I'm sure we'll get around to looking at startup speed again at some point |
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| 13:09.39 | Sterk | Sho_: I have same setting... when I look to my setting and the picture.. |
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| 13:10.16 | Sho_ | Sterk: dunno then, when i drag the size slider in the status bar i get animated transitions |
| 13:10.45 | Sterk | Sho_: I will try to explain. |
| 13:11.54 | Eddi|zuHause | i have a theory: your problem with boot time is that you boot too often :p |
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| 13:12.27 | Eddi|zuHause | is now done trolling |
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| 13:14.33 | Sterk | Sho_: it is icon animation in dolphin. |
| 13:14.54 | Sterk | when you change size on dolphin before it also changes folder/icon-size |
| 13:15.56 | Sho_ | define " when you change size on dolphin" |
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| 13:17.34 | Sterk | Sho_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3nSF4y1DdE |
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| 13:18.59 | Sho_ | yeah, i that seems to no longer be done now |
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| 13:19.46 | Sterk | Sho_: yeah thats the bug I tried to explain. :) |
| 13:19.57 | Sho_ | I don't see why it's a bug |
| 13:20.20 | Sterk | Sho_: okey then it is fet. that have been removed. |
| 13:20.31 | Sterk | is it possible to add it back and if so how? |
| 13:20.35 | Sho_ | Probably for a reason, e.g. negative feedback or something |
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| 13:23.48 | Sho_ | Sterk: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289238 |
| 13:24.31 | Sterk | Sho_: thx anyway.. I hope kde will improve.. you guys are doing a great work.. keep up the good work.. plz show some love for the negative effect of boot-time.. otherwise loving it.. :) |
| 13:24.57 | Sho_ | Sterk: as you can read there, the animation was deliberately simplified because users didn't like it |
| 13:25.45 | Sterk | Sho_: okey.. bad because I liked it... |
| 13:25.54 | Sterk | it was good for me with a laptop |
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| 13:26.11 | Sho_ | Sterk: sometimes you can't make everyone happy all the time sadly :) |
| 13:26.24 | Sterk | not only because of the bling bling but it was useful for smal screens |
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| 13:27.05 | Sho_ | prefers the list view mode personally |
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| 13:28.29 | Sterk | Sho_: anyway I need to log out.. thx for your time |
| 13:28.36 | Sho_ | you're welcome! |
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| 14:49.59 | Aknot | How can i mount an .iso? |
| 14:50.07 | Aknot | is there gui program install by default? |
| 14:50.36 | Phr33d0m | there was a GUI (Girls Use It) for mounting ISOs in kde-look.org somewhere |
| 14:51.29 | Inkane | Aknot: or just do mount -o loop disk1.iso /path/where/it/should/be/mounted |
| 14:51.41 | Inkane | where disk1.iso is the iso |
| 14:51.53 | Aknot | I dont know where i have to mount it |
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| 14:52.25 | Inkane | well, you have to decide |
| 14:52.38 | Inkane | probably somewhere where your user can accsess the data |
| 14:52.41 | hateball | if you just need to access the files on the iso, you can open it with Ark |
| 14:52.45 | Inkane | aka a subdirectory of ~ |
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| 16:02.06 | sKeiths | in my system tray panel, the icons for xchat and gmail have gotten corrupted. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/31887256/notificationbar.png any idea how to reset. more corruption. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/31887256/systray.png |
| 16:04.59 | rindolf | sKeiths: is it OK after you restart KDE? |
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| 16:05.17 | sKeiths | how do i kde restart? |
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| 16:07.03 | sKeiths | found out how. back in a min |
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| 16:08.44 | sKeiths | kde restart does nothing. .... k@debian:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart Stopping K Display Manager: kdm...done ( not running (/var/run/kdm.pid not found)). |
| 16:15.26 | sKeiths | when i quit plasma desktop and restarted it, aside from the panels being in the wrong places, both gmail and xchat icons are missing from that bar. |
| 16:16.32 | Walex | sKeiths: KDM is not KDE... |
| 16:16.49 | Walex | sKeiths: and KLDE is not a process that you can "restart". |
| 16:18.36 | sKeiths | is klde a typo? i can't find info on it |
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| 16:21.30 | Walex | sKeiths: KDE is not a process. |
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| 16:22.16 | Walex | sKeiths: KDE is mostly a set of libraries, plus some processes, like the panel |
| 16:22.50 | sKeiths | next time it corrupts i'll try deleteing and restoring the panel and see if that helps |
| 16:23.10 | Walex | sKeiths: KDM is a graphical login manager, written using some of the KDE libraries |
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| 16:23.54 | sKeiths | walex: I dont use graphical login managers |
| 16:24.01 | Walex | sKeiths: yes restarting the panel is one idea. More precisely you should restart 'plasma' of which the panel is an accessory. |
| 16:24.54 | Walex | sKeiths: the "K Display Manager" is a login manager... (actually as it says an X Display Manager, but mostly it handles graphical login). |
| 16:25.26 | sKeiths | that explains why it was not running :) |
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| 16:25.48 | Walex | sKeiths: one of the weaknesses of KDE is that it does not do enough saving-to-disk of configurations, so if there is an abrupt shutdown configuration files can get corrupted. |
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| 16:52.28 | Dark_light | How do I disable indexing on a folder (kde 4.8.5) ? |
| 16:53.03 | Dark_light | oh nevermind found it already :P |
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| 17:59.18 | sacredchao | I would like to increase the font size of the digial clock in my taskbar but cannot find how |
| 17:59.38 | sacredchao | I checked in the digital clock settings and also main systemsettings |
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| 18:09.29 | SpookyD | Would this http://i.imgur.com/QCPuR.png and http://i.imgur.com/rnwbm.png this be a plasma theme bug or just a plasma bug? |
| 18:09.36 | SpookyD | Distro: Debian Wheezy |
| 18:09.40 | SpookyD | KDE: 4.8 |
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| 18:10.58 | SpookyD | or would I be better of asking in #plasma |
| 18:11.06 | SpookyD | off* |
| 18:11.38 | SpookyD | oh yeah the theme is caledonia |
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| 18:40.45 | rzs19 | hello, is there a mirror containing the actual version of kde 4 for debian stable? |
| 18:44.11 | cb400f | you should ask in a debian channel |
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| 18:45.59 | rzs19 | thx i will do that. |
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| 19:26.24 | sibok | hi, i've just installed kde through meta packages and when kde is loading the splash screen does not show up so i supposed i missed to install some package, does any one knows which package could i missed? |
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| 19:30.43 | rdieter | sibok: ask your distro |
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| 19:39.39 | sibok | rdieter: as long as package names are generic i thought i could get help here, thanks anyway :) |
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| 20:01.02 | Aknot | What fonts look best on kde? |
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| 20:07.01 | DaZ | Aknot: i'm using aller and consolas on infinality patched freetype |
| 20:08.01 | almoxarife | Aknot: qtcurve along with gtk-curve work for me |
| 20:09.28 | Aknot | I dont see aller and consolas on my fonts |
| 20:10.01 | Phr33d0m | I use Sans Serif 9 |
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| 20:12.09 | Aknot | wow, sans serif looks so much better than ubuntu font |
| 20:12.16 | DaZ | Aknot: that means you have to install it :v |
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| 21:01.14 | Aknot | Damn youtube/flash still has shitty fonts, they wont change along the rest of system |
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| 21:02.20 | kde_pepo | Sans Serif is not a font. |
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| 21:23.13 | Aknot | but i changed font in opera but youtube/flash wont still change |
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| 22:04.28 | erase_ | how do i configure skype in telepathy? |
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| 22:16.32 | harlequix | erase_: Skype is not supported by telepathy... yet. However, kopete offers a wrapper for skype |
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| 23:11.29 | RichardLynch | I've somehow managed to make KDE unusably slooooow. Here is the Xorg.0.log http://6112northwolcott.com/Xorg.0.log Sometimes it is slow during that 5-fade start up with disk->settings...K. Other times if gets threough that, but slow is the word. |
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| 23:18.00 | RichardLynch | Seems to be dying out in the nepomonk mixer module. And the printer goes down with it. It even complains about the hardware not being there sometimes. |
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| 23:23.14 | RichardLynch | Is there a KDE log somewhere? |
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| 23:24.13 | Phr33d0m | somewhere |
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| 23:45.12 | PovAddict | hi people |
| 23:45.35 | PovAddict | the plasmoid-adding panel says I have System Monitor running |
| 23:45.41 | PovAddict | but I don't see it on my desktop |
| 23:45.44 | PovAddict | I suspect it fell off-screen |
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| 23:47.18 | PovAddict | how do I get it back, or delete it? |
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| 23:48.40 | DaZ | PovAddict: there should be x icon, or something around it in the plasmoid panel |
| 23:48.56 | PovAddict | on the 'add panel' thing? |
| 23:48.59 | DaZ | some themes break it :v |
| 23:49.09 | DaZ | add widgets thing. |
| 23:49.25 | PovAddict | there isn't |
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| 23:52.20 | DaZ | uhm, it seems something has changed :v |
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| 23:53.05 | PovAddict | I can't use the bar next to the plasmoid |
| 23:53.09 | PovAddict | because the plasmoid isn't visible :P |
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| 23:55.04 | PovAddict | I used the ugly workaround, I killed plasma-desktop and restarted it |
| 23:55.13 | PovAddict | and sure enough the plasmoid popped into the screen corner |
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