IRC log for #kde on 20121106

00:00.11AristideDaZ: I use Pulseaudio. Pavucontrol display « Jack Audio Sink » But I can only set volum with pavucontrol
00:00.19AristideI can't set volum with default volume
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00:00.36JZAexample, I did Ctrl-Meta Down and it show me a hisotry where I can scroll to what I want, but when I put Ctr-V it will still show me the last clipboard
00:02.26DaZAristide: you can try getting to mixer window, settings->configure channels and check if anything does what you want
00:02.44AristideDaZ: Already try, the list is empty. Wait I post a screenshot if you want
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00:03.06DaZwhy not <:
00:03.35AristideDaZ: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/06/plasma-desktopEV8261.png
00:03.42DaZi recall that last time when i accidentally switched to pulseaudio it didn't seem to work together as well
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00:04.52DaZhum, but i had at least one slider :c
00:05.06Aristide^^
00:05.18AristideDaZ: So i have found a Widget for set volume :)
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01:04.09JZAhi anyone here use klipper
01:04.13JZAI want to know how can I change my clipboard buffer, I already configured it iterate through history. However I need it to register the curent selection.
01:04.17JZAexample, I did Ctrl-Meta Down and it show me a hisotry where I can scroll to what I want, but when I put Ctr-V it will still show me the last clipboard
01:04.42JZAbut still cant get to paste the content I choose
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01:19.16JZAanyone arround
01:19.27Aluminyou have to click on it
01:20.25Aluminand just FYI, asking if anybody is around is kinda silly...if someone sees your question and wants to take the time to answer it, they will :P
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02:35.48daddytechHello, is anyone home
02:38.05ania12latnope
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03:16.19JZAhi anyone around?
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08:03.31rethus1what is the tinyest kde installation that works?
08:03.43rethus1or is there something like lightKDE?
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09:59.06cravipdoes kde has any interference with non detection of memory card by machine ??
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10:29.18AristideHum. A button for launch knetattach from « open file » can be a good idea  :Ð
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10:29.31Aristide« open file dialog* »
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10:48.41frikinzHi all. How to configure kde to allow multiple instance of the same program to run? I have mrxvt in one place and want another mrxvt in another. But it keeps on bringing me to the already opened mrxvt. So annoying..
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10:51.04frikinz(happens for any application, like impossible to open 2 konsole)
10:54.06Adapteefrikinz: hard to understand your problem. Please explain how exactly you "open" 2 konsole but fail
10:56.01frikinzalt f2, open konsole OK. go to another activity, alt f2, open konsole, it brings me to the first activity.
10:56.04frikinzAdaptee: ^
10:56.51frikinzat least I'm wondering if this is the default behaviour of kde 4.8 or if only on my host
10:57.04moofangfrikinz: doesn't happen here, alt f2 konsole > konsole window, alt f2 konsole > another konsole window
10:57.24frikinzok :(
10:57.38moofangi think this is controlled by the app though, for eg firefox has flags that let you open in new window, new instance, or existing window
10:57.49moofangso you might want to check the .desktop files of your launcher
10:58.15moofangfor eg I can change my firefox icon to launch a new window or use the existing one by changing the flags passed to firefox in the .desktop file
10:59.24frikinzmoofang: do you know which entry is this? I'd be surprised mrxvt locked this (just installed it) and I see nothing like in its .desktop file
10:59.57Adapteefrikinz: Ahh, I see. Activities. konsole currently does not work well with activities, because all konsole instances by default run in the same process
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11:00.22Jucatoactually
11:00.38Jucatofrikinz: when you press Alt+F2 and type konsole, what is the first and second options?
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11:01.34frikinzlet's say mrxvt then :) which also fails
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11:01.53Jucatomy first one is "Activate running Window on ___", the second is "Konsole Terminal". the second opens a new konsole in the right activity
11:02.30frikinzJucato: uho, I didn't see this. right, I think you found it
11:02.32JucatoI think there is no guarantee that non-KDE apps work well with Activities. not sure though. some do by default
11:03.16frikinzYep, had to use mousewheel to go down. I'd prefer it to be the default but whatever
11:03.25frikinzthanks all
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11:05.15Jucatofrikinz: just press Tab, by default that highlights whatever the second option is
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11:09.46frikinzyeah. having n rxvt already opened forces me to press n times. I don't like it but understand common people want to group their apps.
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11:37.51sacredchaoI feel dumb, but I can't find where to enable 24 hour time in KDE 3.8 ...
11:38.15sacredchaoIt's not in "Digital Clck Settings" and I can't find it in sstemsettings either
11:38.21JucatoKDE 3?
11:38.27Jucatosystem settings ->
11:38.34sacredchaooops.... *4.8
11:39.03Jucatosystem settings -> Locale -> Country/Region & Language -> Date & Time tab
11:39.44sacredchaoAhhh hH
11:39.58sacredchaoNice!
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12:06.28AristideHi
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13:08.55ring_wraithIs there any way for me to change the copy/paste dialog in dolphin?
13:09.24ring_wraithI'd like it to be more verbose.
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13:17.03Jucatowhat do you mean by "more verbose"?
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13:20.06ring_wraithJucato: right now, the default copy/paste dialog just shows number of seconds remaining
13:20.23ring_wraithI'd like for it to display other things such as current speed, etc.
13:20.55ring_wraithand also, the window that pops up isn't draggable, so I'd like to change that too.
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13:22.27Jucatoah that's more than just dolphin. that's the KDE notification system. sorry i don't have much experience playing around with it. but afaik it shows transfer speeds too in KB/s
13:23.25ring_wraithYeah, that happens if you click on the information widget in the panel
13:24.07ring_wraithSo I'm guessing that means that even if I use another file browser it's going to stay the same.
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14:19.55\MikeI've noticed that some non-KDE applications (e.g. firefox) react to pure gnome kind of keyboard short cuts, such as F10 to focus the menu bar. I don't quite get how to adjust that - does anyone know?
14:20.47\MikeI found a mention of gconf-editor - should I have to install that to get rid of that behaviour?
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14:24.04lapionhello, why does the clock not show 24hr time ?
14:24.22lapionthe cock applet in the panel that is
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14:25.35Jucatolapion: you have to set it (for all of KDE) in system settings -> Locale -> Country/Region & Language -> Date & Time tab
14:25.54lapionI have and nothing works..
14:26.03lapionkeeps on giving me 03 in stead of 15
14:26.21lapioneven though I have it set for HH:MM:SS
14:29.00Jucatolapion: sometimes it takes a restart (of the desktop, like logging out and back in) for changes to take effect. if that isn't working, I'm still not sure what's going on
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14:35.56lapionJucato, nope will not work..
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14:44.23lapionJucato, finally it worked.. I had to restart kde and set the time format again
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14:44.41hougeHi Everyone, I have a question, what is the mean of "Enable Password Less Login"? If I enable this, some users could be login my system without password?
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14:45.45lapiondepending on where you set it, it might mean that either you will login without password, or one of the other users on your system can login without password
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14:50.09hougelapion: I think this set may danger... I enable virtualbox usr group in this set,if my WIndowsXP have been hacked in my virtualbox, maybe hurt my host computer
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14:56.45lapionhouge, yes never set your vbox client without password
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14:59.42almoxarifeoh dear, not in opensuse, nevermind
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15:04.41lapionhow can I set font and letter sizes for the clock, the task manager and other ?
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15:10.36lapionFinally I get a desktop that is (allmost) fully configurable, just like the old ubuntu default.
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15:19.33lapionhow can I change the default workings of clicking in the scroll bar
15:19.58lapionright now it jumps to the mouse cursor on click, while I want page byh page jumps
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15:38.26lapionI do not like dynamic system trays, I do not want to guess where the icon appears when I expect it to be there shortly
15:38.51lapionI mean when I expect it to be activated shortly
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15:43.56lapionwhy does the system tray come with a spacer..
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15:44.33lapionI have a single system tray on screen but it has a huge white space next to it in which I cannot put any widgest
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15:47.54lapionhmm I just found a rather nasty bug
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15:49.43brainerazer<PROTECTED>
15:49.50brainerazer*it is
15:51.08lapionif you disable visibility of hardware control in the system tray kde crashes and reloads ( screen turns black for a second)
15:51.09DaZbrainerazer: did you try restarting plasma-desktop?
15:51.25brainerazerDaZ, I restarted kdm.service all the way
15:51.36DaZoh systemd, you
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15:51.57brainerazerArch. No choice here) But it is not the problem I guess)
15:52.21DaZi'm still running initscripts, and no, it's not the problem <:
15:52.34DaZstrange stuff, i'll try to reproduce.
15:52.38brainerazerHuh
15:53.04brainerazerI did Alt-f2 , then "notify-send `echo $LANG`" and it showed me en_US.UTF*
15:53.06brainerazer*UTF8
15:53.22brainerazerin Konsole - normal uk_UA.UTF8 like it should be
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15:53.32brainerazerand I have even set LANG in .bashrc
15:53.55DaZi'm not sure if plasma desktop cares about .bashrc
15:54.22DaZyou could try setting it int ~/.kde4/env/
15:54.26brainerazerIt was uk_UA even without .bashrc as I recall
15:54.39brainerazermeh, why isn't it working anyway?
15:55.01brainerazerDaZ, is it a file or a directory?
15:55.22DaZit's a directory you put file in, and make it executable :v
15:55.50DaZhttp://wklej.org/hash/893b4360580/ something like this.
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15:57.27JZAhi anyone here a klipper power user
15:58.12JZAI want to know how to use klipper on the buffer history
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15:58.55brainerazerDaZ, well it helped
15:59.18brainerazerAlthough I forgot to make it executable...
15:59.25brainerazerAnd it is working -__-
15:59.26DaZthat's good, i guess :V
15:59.50brainerazerDoes +x matter?
15:59.53DaZbrainerazer: maybe it works without that, i had some issues while trying to get it to work
15:59.59DaZif it works, apparently not :v
15:59.59lapionhow can I move the system tray on the panel ?
16:00.09brainerazerDaZ, Thank you
16:00.13DaZyw
16:00.30brainerazerlapion, press plasma button on the side and then just drag and drop
16:01.08lapionno plasma button for the system tray
16:01.32brainerazerside of a panel
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16:03.03lapionhmm allmost got it..
16:03.22DaZor rmb on the desktop and unlock widgets first :v
16:04.32brainerazerAnd also, I have another trouble
16:04.56brainerazerI installed KFaenza and set it in system settings as icon theme
16:05.14brainerazerAnd on launchers on the panel I have faenza icons
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16:05.39brainerazerBut when firefor/clementine/xchat etc actually launches, it changes it's icon back to originalk
16:05.43brainerazer*original
16:06.18lapionbrainerazer, DaZ  all widgets are unlocked, stil the system tray cannot be moved either up or down
16:07.38lapionis there any way to get a list of installed widgets/spacers to remove them one by one ?
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16:12.52brainerazerAnd one more. By any chance does anybody know if you can change brightness device for powerdevil? Because now I have to do brightness control manually
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16:13.11brainerazerAlthough I suspect my problems come from bugs in upower...
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16:14.30JZAI need some help using klipperr
16:14.35JZAklipper
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16:24.09tekzillai added a FlavorListener to the system clipboard, but no events are being generated as the clipboard contents or their dataflavour changes. what could be the reaseon ? running linux with KDE
16:24.31tekzillaoh sorry, wrong channel!
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16:27.07lapioncan anyone try the following: open system tray settings, disable "Hardware control" from Shown item Categories. you should get a black screen and afterwards the screen returns to normal however the system tray moves more to the left or right..
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16:34.22Moviurolapion: nope
16:34.34lapionwhen I put my system tray onto the desktop I get a huge window covering 60% of the desktop..
16:35.23lapionhow can I delete the system tray config file/information
16:36.35BluesKajlapion, click on the cashew on right of the panel , click and draw the "height" option down to the size you want
16:36.45Moviurolapion: well, plasma-desktop crashed after i locked widgets xD
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16:38.26lapionnope doesn't work
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16:39.17lapionwhy does every size setting encompass using the mouse why can I not set it with number somewhere..
16:40.59wooowhen I am using command cmake an error occurs "No cmake_minimum_required command is present.  A line of code such as cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 2.8)" .When I am adding this line so many other errors in CMakeList starts occuring.Whats this?
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16:42.11rdieterwooo: silly question, what version of cmake are you using?
16:42.36rdieterand what are the "so many other errors"?
16:43.18lapionThe size of the system tray cannot be changed and there is not even a spaces involved so why does it have such a huge gray space when I try to move it around ?
16:44.04wooordieter: 2.8.5,other errors like   Unknown CMake command "macro_optional_find_package".
16:45.12rdieterpretty sure that one's a kde specific one
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16:45.40rdieterwooo: #kde-devel or #cmake may be better places to ask
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16:47.32lapionokay a relogin appantly solved the unusually large system tray problem
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16:48.00cjbqhi all. I have a quick question: I am using konqueror, using sftp or fish to connect to a web server. How can I make it behave like nautilus so that if I open a txt file it does it on a mounted folder on my pc?
16:48.20lapionnow if only there I could set all icons to allwyas visible and not have to set each icon added..
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17:06.41einseenaiguys, is it safe to install Kmix from git to current KDE 4.9.2? i mean in terms of compatibility?
17:07.20rdietereinseenai: "safe" is relative, compatibility... with what?  ie, will it work?
17:07.29einseenaiyup
17:07.32rdieterprobably
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17:08.32nirjhorwhat might there be on KDE 5?
17:08.38nirjhorwhen is it coming out?
17:09.36einseenairdieter, so git Kmix is developed in coherence with the rest of KDE? or it's kinda standalone?
17:10.14rdietereinseenai: primarily, it's indeeded to be shipped with the same kde branch, that said, i believe it only depends on (frozen) kdelibs, so should be ok
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17:11.24einseenairdieter, alrighty, thanks a lot then!
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17:12.46rdietereinseenai: see also http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules  (notice it's not there yet)
17:13.59rdietereinseenai: that said, in general it's more about reorganizing the codebase, will hopefully be a far smaller change than what kde3->kde4 was.
17:14.42rdietererr, I mixed up conversations and channels
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17:15.10einseenairdieter, got it, thanks. :)
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17:29.40lapionis it possible to allow certain applications to go on top of the panels ( eg mythtv )
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17:35.28cb400fprolly not.. you can allow all applications to do it.. or set the panel to autohide... or maybe write a kwin script that makes it possible
17:35.49xdan779lapion alt+f3 -> More Actions -> keep above others
17:36.16cb400fdoes that include the panel?
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17:36.35xdan779cb400f yes it does
17:36.52cb400fyep, just tested :-)
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17:37.53lapionxdan779, the I cannot switch to a application underneath it..
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17:38.09lapionI only want it to be on top of the panels when it's active
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17:40.05xdan779using full screen instead of keep above other will behave that way
17:40.09lapionwhat's this activities thing ? is it like a quantum desktop ?
17:40.39lapionit is full screen xdan779 however it remains behind the panel(s)
17:42.24xdan779hmm I am not sure if I set a window full screen mode via alt+f3 -> More Actions it does place the application above the panel
17:42.59xdan779this is for mythtv specifically or all application
17:43.17lapionmythtv specifically
17:44.04lapionthe big problem with using above others is that I cannot call the terminal forward to kill it..
17:44.43xdan779alt+tab
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17:45.45WizardYo!
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17:46.09lapionxdan779, the terminal only comes to foreground while the alt key is depresed when released mythtv goes on top again
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17:49.12xdan779does mythtv not have a nice way of shutting down, an exit option or something, I think it may be the way myth does full screen
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17:49.53xdan779a quick google search shows you are not the only one afflicted with this, and not just kde, seems to be a problem in gnome as well
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17:51.56xdan779you can tell the panel to allow windows to go over it which will solve it, but I think you cannot see the other apps, because mythtv itself is running in full screen mode
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17:56.15lapionwith mythtv you can allways call other applications on top of it even if it is fullscreen.. just like in firefox-F11
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18:00.21xdan779very strange then as it seems to work fine that way, I unfortunalty do not have mythtv to test with though so I would have to guess it is something specific to what that application is doing
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18:10.24tullianahi all
18:11.04tullianahow it is kde 3,5 icons convert to kde4 ?
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18:47.53m3l7xcman
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18:48.00m3l7xcI've just installed kde
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18:48.18m3l7xcit's nice, but using touchpad is a hell
18:48.30Bysmyyrwhy, I think no
18:48.39m3l7xcfor many reasons
18:49.00Bysmyyrtre finger gestures are missing but all other works
18:49.12m3l7xcI've enabled 2 finger scrolling, but if I do a tiny scroll, two finger tap triggers
18:49.18Bysmyyrthree*
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18:49.32m3l7xcyeah 3 finger scrolling would be nice, but no other DE have it
18:49.57Bysmyyreggdrop is but I haven't get it work
18:49.58m3l7xcI use 2 finger tap as right click, so it's quite frustraating
18:50.08Bysmyyrsynaptiks?
18:50.24m3l7xcyeah
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18:50.33Bysmyyrin my laptop 1,2 and 3 finger cliks works well
18:51.03m3l7xcyeah but if you scroll with 2 finger a little
18:51.07m3l7xc2 finger tap will trigger too
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18:51.26Bysmyyrwhat means "little" for you
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18:52.02m3l7xcwell, few pixels, or don't move at all
18:52.08Bysmyyryeah, I tried, if you take fingers of too quickly it tas
18:52.16Bysmyyroff*
18:52.21m3l7xcthe correct behaviour should be a timeout for two finger tap
18:52.52m3l7xcif you press for, say, 500ms or more with 2 fingers, 2finger tap will not trigger
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18:53.29Bysmyyrif I but fingers to touchpad and then take them off in about second, it don't tab
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18:54.07m3l7xcmm strange
18:54.11BysmyyrI have timeout about 0,3seconds
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18:55.32m3l7xcdunno
18:55.41m3l7xcthe problem is that there is a single tap timeout config
18:55.50m3l7xcbut not a 2finger tap timeout
18:55.57BysmyyrXD
18:57.47Bysmyyrit is touchegg not eggdrop for conficurin 3finger gestures
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20:03.45simplewSho_: ping
20:03.54Sho_simplew: pong
20:04.44simplewSho_: in dolphin when using icon view shouldnt show icons image without needing to use previou?
20:05.05Sho_no, thumbnails are only loaded when preview is enabled
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20:06.11simplewSho_: but i had the idea that in past used to show icons images without needing to previou (this of course only in icon view)
20:06.26Sho_simplew: not that i know off, afaik it has always been this way
20:06.31Sho_at least in the kde 4 version
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20:19.47simplewSho_: atm who maintiang dolphin?
20:19.56Sho_simplew: Frank Reininghaus
20:19.59simplewSho_: atm whos maintaining dolphin?
20:20.07simplewonly one person?
20:20.12Sho_simplew: Yes
20:20.33simplewSho_: why the previous maintainer left?
20:20.56Sho_simplew: Lost interest or so
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20:22.10Sho_Of course Dolphin relies on a ton of libraries and shared components that have other maintainers
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20:23.12simplewSho_: wouldnt be possible to put dolphin to resize the columns separators to automaticallt adjust size with double click on the separator?
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20:23.42Sho_don't see why not
20:23.44simplewSho_: or that is some that can be only handled by franck?
20:24.02Sho_in fact, i'd say it's a bug that it doesn't work right now
20:24.05simplewfor a long time that dolphin hasnt that working
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20:25.27Sho_simplew: all KDE developer accounts have write access to all KDE sources
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20:25.46Sho_and even without a developer account, anyone can submit a patch via ReviewBoard
20:25.57simplewSho_: oh :)
20:28.23simplewSho_: it would be cool it dolphin had that working (finally)
20:28.32Sho_i agree
20:28.49Sho_unfortunately if you are aiming for that, i currently don't have the time to take that on :)
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20:32.39simplewSho_: well i would it if i knew how, but it worth to try
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20:32.56simplewSho_: i mean, with you
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20:33.37Sho_conceptually speaking you need to implement mouseDoubleClickEvent() on the header widget
20:34.42Sho_http://lxr.kde.org/source/qt/src/gui/itemviews/qheaderview.cpp#2332 and so on for inspiration
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20:35.19simplewSho_: im still only learning c
20:35.27Sho_it's C++
20:35.28Sho_:)
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20:37.37simplewSho_: yeap...
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21:22.10rindolfHi all.
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21:29.13WizardHi rindolf.
21:30.13rindolfWizard: hi.
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23:50.50Phr33d0menjoy KDE 4.9.3 guys
23:52.28abveritasPhr33d0m: you see any changes from 4.9.2?
23:53.06Phr33d0mI still haven't compiled it, but from the changelogs I see a couple of minor but useful changes
23:53.38abveritasrunning it 4 days now, not found any yet :)
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23:59.09Phr33d0mI have a very basic usage of KDE anyways, so I can't tell much about it... probably things I think are new in 4.9.3 have been there since 4.9.1 or 4.9.0 :P

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