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| 02:19.49 | oneforall | hi whats the baet to use for the logitech wireless kb/mouse MK700/710 |
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| 02:31.09 | ArmOrAttAk | any easy way to stop this wanton them from changing the font colors on webpages? |
| 02:31.18 | ArmOrAttAk | theme |
| 02:33.24 | ArmOrAttAk | it's a really nice theme but that's a dealbreaker |
| 02:34.17 | ArmOrAttAk | hm maybe its the browser itself |
| 02:35.00 | ArmOrAttAk | woohoo |
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| 03:52.57 | JZA | hi how can I configure KDE menu from Kconfig? |
| 03:53.15 | JZA | default applications |
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| 05:05.07 | JZA | hi any dev here? |
| 05:05.19 | JZA | I have some issues with an app and DBus |
| 05:05.25 | JZA | I put a post here http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=108280 |
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| 05:53.25 | oquidave2 | hello...my kde4.9 just crashed again!! |
| 05:55.21 | oquidave2 | it shows a blank screen on startup in one of the user accounts |
| 05:55.46 | oquidave2 | i've tried to delete the .kde folder many times, but that does not solve the problme |
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| 06:21.43 | oquidave2 | my kde just crashed and shows a blank screen...on startup |
| 06:21.50 | oquidave2 | here's the traceback....http://pastebin.com/EfcjWynR |
| 06:22.29 | oquidave2 | This has happened for the second time now...what is the problem and what can i do thanks |
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| 09:30.27 | frankko | Can i disable the transparency of the plasma panel? |
| 09:31.26 | DaZ | you can. |
| 09:31.34 | frankko | how do i do it? |
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| 09:32.29 | DaZ | either you edit your theme svg files, switch to a theme without transparencies, create custom theme with part of said theme through systemsettings or disable effects at all :v |
| 09:33.44 | frankko | the last one seems like the easiest.. |
| 09:34.36 | frankko | thank you |
| 09:34.46 | frankko | worked like a charm |
| 09:37.01 | DaZ | but it's pretty bad one :v |
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| 09:53.32 | frankko | i only disabled the transperancy effect though |
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| 10:13.14 | frankko | might you know how to make magnet links open with ktorrent? |
| 10:13.49 | DaZ | depends on the browser. |
| 10:13.56 | frankko | firefox |
| 10:14.11 | DaZ | i don't use it |
| 10:14.27 | DaZ | but google up something about assiging app to a protocol :v |
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| 10:17.52 | frankko | i found it |
| 10:17.55 | frankko | now it works |
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| 10:24.17 | rindolf | frankko: excellent. |
| 10:25.42 | frankko | time for a reboot. |
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| 10:27.36 | Taoki | Anyone know if it's possible to apply the blur desktop effect to transparent widgets? Since they don't seem to be blurring |
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| 10:28.55 | Taoki | I use kwin effects, and the taskbar does blur for example |
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| 12:11.01 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 12:20.13 | rindolf | BluesKaj: hi, sup? |
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| 12:22.21 | BluesKaj | hey rindolf , not much . just found out that my znc acct is down due to tech glitches |
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| 12:23.23 | frankko | Is there a way to permanently mount a cifs to a mountpoint? like through fstab or through some kde magic that i have missed? |
| 12:23.23 | rindolf | BluesKaj: ah. |
| 12:23.32 | rindolf | frankko: use fstab for that. |
| 12:23.56 | rindolf | frankko: and yes - there is a way to do that. |
| 12:24.19 | frankko | rindolf: Is there a wiki on how to write proper syntax? |
| 12:25.02 | frankko | i have never mounted a cifs through fstab before. |
| 12:27.20 | frankko | i found one, but it is for ubuntu... hope it works for debian as well. |
| 12:27.21 | frankko | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently |
| 12:28.44 | BluesKaj | frankko, it should work for debian if it works for ubuntu , the syntaxes are the same |
| 12:29.17 | BluesKaj | aamof it should work for most linux OSs |
| 12:29.23 | frankko | darn i can not install smbfs =( unmet dependencies that seems to be unresolvable |
| 12:30.35 | BluesKaj | frankko, does dolphin see the partition/drive in "places"? |
| 12:31.24 | frankko | i have not used dolphin since 4.1 i think. I always used konqueror, but i will check |
| 12:33.14 | BluesKaj | konq should show it as well |
| 12:33.31 | frankko | i can browse the cifs perfectly |
| 12:33.47 | frankko | in both |
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| 13:34.31 | ashwin | i am unable to open images in gwenview. i am getting this error |
| 13:34.33 | ashwin | Loading ‘11ne.jpg’ failed |
| 13:34.34 | ashwin | Could not open file /home/ashwin/Pictures/11ne.jpg |
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| 13:38.18 | Inkane | ashwin: you've checked that /home/ashwin/Pictures/11ne.jpg really is a valid jpg? |
| 13:38.29 | Inkane | and that you have permissions to open the file? |
| 13:39.04 | mth | can someone help me diagnose a problem that happens from time to time? all new KDE processes hang at startup when trying to open a socket "/tmp/fam-mth-" |
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| 13:39.51 | mth | there is no file at that location |
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| 13:41.57 | Inkane | mth: fam-mth indicates some problem with the file alteration monitor, so it might be inotify related |
| 13:43.29 | remus | I love this yakuake. Used to play all those quake games and this is like getting an old friend back |
| 13:43.29 | mth | is there some kind of daemon supposed to be running to service those requests? |
| 13:43.50 | Inkane | mth: hm, there is famd |
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| 13:44.24 | Inkane | mth: which distribution are you using? which version of KDE? |
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| 13:45.02 | mth | openSUSE 12.2, KDE 4.9.2 from the factory repo |
| 13:45.34 | Inkane | hm, sorry, it's a bit hard to debug that with so few info |
| 13:45.57 | Inkane | I'd suggest you look into your ~/.xsession-errors log |
| 13:45.58 | mth | I have the same problem; I don't even have enough info to submit a proper bug report |
| 13:46.01 | Inkane | when it happens next time |
| 13:46.17 | mth | the system is in the broken situation right now |
| 13:46.31 | Inkane | mth: can you switch to a tty? |
| 13:46.42 | Inkane | e.g. ctrl+alt+f1 ? |
| 13:46.53 | mth | everything works except new processes, I've got plenty of Konsole instances open |
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| 13:47.33 | Inkane | well, like I'd said, you'd checking the error logs |
| 13:47.40 | Inkane | the may contain further information |
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| 13:48.37 | mth | I'm looking at ~/.xsession-errors now, but nothing looks relevant (mostly errors from akonadi) |
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| 13:51.11 | Inkane | mth: another thing, you could check if a package related to fam is installed |
| 13:51.17 | Inkane | and check who needs this package |
| 13:52.02 | mth | the daemon is not installed, libfam0-gamin and libgio-fam are |
| 13:52.42 | Inkane | gamin? |
| 13:52.47 | Inkane | that's a bit strange |
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| 13:53.03 | Inkane | KDE should be using inotify, and should need neither gamin nor fam |
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| 13:53.33 | Inkane | hm, libgio indicates something from gnome still needs it |
| 13:53.56 | mth | I've upgraded this system over the years, it's possible the package selection includes things that are obsolete now |
| 13:55.19 | mth | asking the package manager to remove those packages marks only one additional dependency (gamin-devel) for removal, so it seems the packages are obsolete indeed |
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| 13:55.54 | Inkane | try removing them, they might cause funny conflicts |
| 13:56.07 | Inkane | when inotify is also there |
| 13:56.42 | mth | hmm, removing them causes libfam0 to be installed, so there is a dependency somewhere |
| 13:57.59 | mth | "zypper ps" now shows many KDE processes, including kdeinit4, using the library that was just replaced |
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| 13:58.33 | mth | yep, new processes launch fine now :) |
| 13:58.51 | mth | thanks! |
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| 14:00.04 | Inkane | you're welcome |
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| 14:05.58 | mth | by the way, the libfam0 package description says that the dam daemon is useful for monitoring changes over NFS; maybe that's a use case not handled by inotify? |
| 14:06.05 | mth | *fam daemon |
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| 14:17.45 | rdieter | mth: http://inotify.aiken.cz/?section=inotify&page=faq&lang=en inotify FAQ implies nfs is indeed supported, but it sparse on detail. |
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| 14:30.00 | vbgunz_ | how do I go about changing the wallpaper from command line? |
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| 14:42.50 | rdieter | vbgunz_: I don't believe you can yet, but I believe someone is currently working on that problem |
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| 14:43.04 | vbgunz_ | I'm finding some stuff using dbus |
| 14:43.15 | vbgunz_ | I'll let you know how it works out |
| 14:44.25 | rdieter | http://blog.zx2c4.com/699 outlines the fun that is currently required |
| 14:45.30 | rdieter | vbgunz_: slightly easier, see aaron's comment, http://blog.zx2c4.com/699#comment-6127 |
| 14:45.33 | vbgunz_ | yeah, I was just looking at that but kept running into problems, so then I found this and at least it exits as if something happened but the wallpaper doesn't change, http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KSetWallpaper?content=146734 |
| 14:45.41 | ashwin | http://paste.kde.org/567566/ |
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| 14:46.03 | vbgunz_ | oh |
| 14:46.41 | vbgunz_ | rdieter: one quick question, what is normal default “Image” plugin |
| 14:46.50 | vbgunz_ | I'll google but it doesn't ring a bell |
| 14:46.58 | rdieter | vbgunz_: ie, just set your background to an image |
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| 14:47.28 | vbgunz_ | rdieter: if that's the case, I tried it too and the image never updated, it was a jpg |
| 14:47.33 | vbgunz_ | hmm, I'll try again |
| 14:47.38 | rdieter | right click desktop->default desktop settings->wallpaper (Image) |
| 14:48.19 | rdieter | if change notification is working (ie, inotify and friends), modifying the wallpaper referenced there should change on the fly |
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| 14:50.59 | vbgunz_ | I believe I have a fully functional and working desktop, I don't believe I have any problems. copying a new image over the one selected doesn't change anything, it seems stuck. I do have wallpaper = image in "folder view settings" |
| 14:51.26 | vbgunz_ | oh |
| 14:51.48 | shumski_ | rdieter: do you know who should be poked about this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=211472 |
| 14:52.00 | vbgunz_ | hmm, I unlocked the widgets in that dialog and "desktop" became available, the image did change so let me try again |
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| 14:55.49 | BluesKaj | vbgunz_, in system settings >workspace behavior, check/enable different widgets for each desktop |
| 14:56.05 | vbgunz_ | no go, from "folder view" to "desktop view", no cp of one image over the currently displayed image on the desktop causes the desktop wallpaper to change |
| 14:56.16 | vbgunz_ | ok, one moment |
| 14:56.23 | rdieter | shumski_: first I'll see if I can reproduce, then consider triaging to dolphin |
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| 14:56.33 | BluesKaj | system settings >workspace behavior>virtual desktops , vbgunz_ |
| 14:57.28 | shumski_ | rdieter: it's easy to reproduce, (comment 29). also, it's either KDirLister not doing what it's supposed to do, or it's not implemented correctly in dolphin |
| 14:57.32 | vbgunz_ | BluesKaj: it was unchecked, I'll try cp'ing anothe image of the wallpaper again? I'm going for it |
| 14:58.49 | BluesKaj | vbgunz_, i have 8different VDs all with different wallpapers |
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| 15:01.13 | rdieter | shumski_: bug confirmed (though for me, only changes after step 3 went unnoticed) |
| 15:01.44 | vbgunz_ | hmm, maybe I'm misunderstood, I only have 1 desktop and I would like to change the desktop wallpaper from the terminal. I have what I feel is a good reason for it and it's function over style. |
| 15:02.04 | shumski_ | rdieter: then, if you refresh, further changes will be visible |
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| 15:02.10 | rdieter | shumski_: yep |
| 15:02.50 | shumski_ | rdieter: with this, it works fine: http://bugsfiles.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=74449 |
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| 15:05.17 | rdieter | shumski_: of course, that just implements the the reload everytime |
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| 15:06.52 | shumski_ | rdieter: yes, but then, the bug is in kdirlister cache . cause the bug is reproducible with open/save dialog |
| 15:06.56 | BluesKaj | cb400f, ok what is your good reason ? :) |
| 15:07.11 | BluesKaj | oops vbgunz_rather |
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| 15:07.43 | vbgunz_ | not sure what's happening but I can't change the wallpaper from the terminal, cp isn't working though the image is truly being copied over the wallpaper |
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| 15:09.43 | rdieter | shumski_: so, probably the current kio triage component is correct |
| 15:10.02 | rdieter | that's where kdirlister lives |
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| 15:10.33 | shumski_ | rdieter: yup. anyway, i just thought you'll know who should be poked about it (since we have an easy way to reproduce) :-) |
| 15:11.18 | rdieter | shumski_: dfaure is the (primary) man, he's already assigned to it |
| 15:12.31 | shumski_ | rdieter: ok, tnx :-) |
| 15:12.54 | rdieter | so either wait, dig in and debug/fix the code yourself, bribe dfaure, or invent a cloning machine (so we can have at least 3-4 dfaure's around) |
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| 15:18.34 | shumski_ | rdieter: bribe it is then ;-) |
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| 15:59.58 | JoeSomebody | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.46 | JoeSomebody | in my last distro pclinuxos it was ok, in mageia 2 it is not, it is 10 times wider |
| 16:00.53 | dell2012 | OS: fedora17 beefy miracle: how can i resize swap and extended partitions in my sda using commands in console |
| 16:00.56 | dell2012 | ? |
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| 16:02.03 | DaZ | this is a desktop environment channel |
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| 16:02.20 | DaZ | what sick thought led you to asking that here :c |
| 16:02.35 | dell2012 | ok where do i go to get these answers;) |
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| 16:03.07 | dell2012 | no sick thought - just a coincidence |
| 16:03.08 | DaZ | amy distribution channel would be fine imo :v |
| 16:03.14 | dell2012 | ;) |
| 16:03.22 | dell2012 | but which one - i dont know any names |
| 16:03.28 | dell2012 | and servers |
| 16:03.37 | DaZ | some get annoyed that you don't share their linux belief though |
| 16:03.41 | DaZ | everything's on freenode. |
| 16:03.53 | dell2012 | in #fedora i gotta register and doing all those steps seems like a hazzle;) |
| 16:04.01 | DaZ | #fedora, #ubuntu |
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| 16:04.34 | dell2012 | ok trying ubuntu |
| 16:04.35 | dell2012 | :) |
| 16:04.38 | dell2012 | thnx |
| 16:05.18 | dell2012 | Daz: No sick thought behind it:9 |
| 16:05.23 | DaZ | sure. |
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| 16:05.56 | Jucato | er |
| 16:06.12 | Jucato | dell2012: #fedora for Fedora questions. don't as in #ubuntu |
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| 16:06.41 | DaZ | Jucato: resizing partitions is identical on every distro :v |
| 16:06.44 | dell2012 | what sick thought led you to believe there was a sick thought behind me getting here to get answers:) |
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| 16:07.15 | DaZ | you can always try #linux :v |
| 16:07.25 | Jucato | DaZ: sure. but he already said he was using fedora. why let him ask in ubuntu? |
| 16:07.38 | Jucato | (for which he can get scolded) |
| 16:07.41 | JoeSomebody | folder view widget on panel should be ONLY as wide as other stuff , right? |
| 16:07.41 | dell2012 | jucato: ya but its actually a partition question so i could ask in ubuntu though |
| 16:07.51 | DaZ | Jucato: because there's 400 people on fedora channel |
| 16:07.53 | dell2012 | Daz ok Thanks |
| 16:07.57 | DaZ | whereas on ubuntu one it's 1600 :v |
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| 16:08.20 | DaZ | just don't tell them you're running fedora |
| 16:08.22 | DaZ | trololo |
| 16:08.30 | dell2012 | hehe |
| 16:08.42 | JoeSomebody | who is the person/place to ask about this if not here? |
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| 16:15.28 | dell2012 | DaZ: you been to ##linux before? |
| 16:15.37 | dell2012 | i cant send to channel after i joined them |
| 16:17.00 | dell2012 | I see you in linux now actually |
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| 16:24.59 | JoeSomebody | i guess it seems insignificant to you but that widget gives me one-click popup access to /mnt and other nice places from my panel, but i dont want it wasting all my panel area |
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| 16:25.31 | JoeSomebody | seems like a new kde problem, hope not |
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| 16:28.45 | d95 | Over a year ago, I talked to people in #opensuse-kde about a KDE 'shortcut' bug. It was acknowledged, identified as a KDE problem, & I was told to take it to KDE. I did. After several months of back and forth I was eventually told that it's a Qt issue, to take it there. I did. |
| 16:28.48 | d95 | 7 months later, it's still broken, and Qt devs are blaming it on KDE "garbage" telling me to "write test cases" and "set breakpoints". Could somebody, ANYbody, that cares the slightest bit about accessibility/usability in KDE possibly help @ https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-24304 ? |
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| 16:41.38 | klebezettel | hmm, obviously this bug is not assigned |
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| 16:43.23 | JoeSomebody | i added myself to these groups = cdrom, disk, and usb, is that correct? |
| 16:43.33 | JoeSomebody | oops wrong window |
| 16:44.29 | d95 | klebezettel: right. i'd asked for that to happen. i was ignored. |
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| 16:48.03 | Torch | d95: i don't think there's currently much you can do do speed up matters for this |
| 16:48.27 | Torch | d95: unless you want to fix the bug yourself, which of course would be fantastic |
| 16:50.41 | d95 | Torch: Yes it would. Im not a dev, and had a hard enough time figuring out what "lineedit" was to do the tests I was asked to do. |
| 16:50.58 | klebezettel | d95: maybe there is just the right person missing at the moment since some trolls left after nokia |
| 16:52.39 | d95 | klebezettel: Possible. I have one goal -- get this fixed for my friend. Im doing my best, and everything that;s been reasonably asked of me. For about a year. Which is why Im here asking for any help. |
| 16:53.16 | Torch | d95: that's very honourable of you but unless you fix the bug yourself i think you've exhausted your opportunities |
| 16:53.33 | Torch | d95: well you could always _pay_ someone to fix it ;-) |
| 16:53.42 | Inkane | d95: you could also try to ask at kde-devel for them to provide a testcase |
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| 16:54.52 | d95 | Torch: at least you're honest, thanks. I've already paid for a fix -- I'd bought my friend a Mac to not have these problems -- but he still wants, and tries, to use & participate in FOSS projects. I'll let him know. |
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| 16:59.02 | klebezettel | d95: I've one hour left right know, I've no idea about the code there, but I try to help; please stay for some minutes, just want to make sure I understand the problem before you go |
| 17:00.26 | d95 | klebezettel: Thank you |
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| 17:01.48 | klebezettel | d95: the bug happens with Qt 4.8.0, did you test it with the latest 4.8 release? 4.8.3 it is I think |
| 17:03.21 | d95 | Yes, as reported in a later comment: kde4-config -v; Qt: 4.8.3; KDE Development Platform: 4.9.2 "release 511"; kde4-config: 1.0 |
| 17:04.07 | d95 | It's been an issue since at least 4.7.4 |
| 17:05.18 | klebezettel | eh uh...I need to install kde, mom |
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| 17:06.46 | d95 | klebezettel: @ the bug, 'they' say you don't have to -- just to "Write a small test-case that doesn't require KDE." |
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| 17:09.12 | klebezettel | d95: but the input comes from kde right? because you have configured it like that; a small test-case is only possible if I know what kde 'types' there...then I could take just what kde types there and put it into the lineedit to trigger the same problem...but for this I need to find out what kde puts into that lineedit |
| 17:10.29 | d95 | klebezettel: Makes sense to me. *I* don't understand how to test a problem in KDE without KDE. THey're the ones making the suggestion ... |
| 17:10.29 | d95 | "If you start your bug report with "Go to the KDE control-panel, add shortcut ... " most developers will stop reading there." |
| 17:11.11 | klebezettel | d95: yes, that's just because not every qt developer uses kde ;) |
| 17:11.40 | Torch | quit the contrary |
| 17:11.43 | Torch | quite, even |
| 17:12.44 | klebezettel | d95: can you be more precise about """create a new Input Action -> SystemWide -> "test" """? I have that dialog open, titled "Configure Input Actions settings" and there are some groups or sth. like that, e.g. KMenuEdit, Arora, Preset Actions, Konqueror Gestures...where do I create the input action? |
| 17:13.13 | klebezettel | ah context menu, New -> Global shortcut -> Send Keyboard Input?! |
| 17:14.23 | klebezettel | ahh, crazy stuff |
| 17:14.32 | klebezettel | I didn't even know kde can do this |
| 17:14.40 | klebezettel | entering something for the user :D |
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| 17:22.20 | d95 | klebezettel: Opps, sorry. Didn't see you ... |
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| 17:22.21 | d95 | ConfigureDesktop->Shortcuts & Gestures -> Custom Shortcuts -> SystemWide -> (right click) -> New -> Global Shortcut -> Send Keyboard Input |
| 17:23.16 | klebezettel | d95: hmm, apparently the dialog changed in the kde version but I think I got it...I can apply the chord and its entered correct in an editor |
| 17:23.39 | d95 | klebezettel: But *not* in the *PASSWORD* dialog, right? |
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| 17:27.45 | klebezettel | d95: a quick test shows that it actually works as expected, but I created some test gui application with a lineedit and set the echo mode to password (should be the same as in the qt example you've used)...but let me build that with the qt examples...then I know for sure |
| 17:30.47 | klebezettel | I'm using KDE Development Platform: 4.8.5 (4.8.5) |
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| 17:31.03 | klebezettel | ok I have to wait until the qt is build with the example...can take a while :/ |
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| 17:32.52 | klebezettel | d95: btw, I assume this shortcut is used to enter a password? :) |
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| 17:33.44 | d95 | klebezettel: Yes, it is. Long, complicated ones. |
| 17:36.46 | klebezettel | d95: if you have a kde 4.8.5 somewhere reachable, please try it also with it |
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| 17:41.10 | klebezettel | d95: ah, it even exist for you on KDE Development Platform: 4.9.2 "release 511" |
| 17:41.12 | klebezettel | ok ok.. |
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| 17:47.50 | orated | Hello! Which command is executed for locking screen? The default command and where is the config file stored? |
| 17:48.47 | klebezettel | d95: no, I'm not able to reproduce the issue; I've also tried it with the python example; I get everything correct for Mode: Normal and Mode: Password (NINE circles!) and Mode: PasswordEchoOnEdit |
| 17:49.46 | klebezettel | d95: personally, I don't think it's a qt issue since sth. like this would really strike and get attention |
| 17:50.04 | klebezettel | d95: maybe your linux distribution patched your qt or kde and introduced that bug... |
| 17:51.03 | klebezettel | d95: I suggest to try it on another distribution |
| 17:51.34 | klebezettel | here it works with Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS |
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| 17:52.16 | klebezettel | d95: take also a look into your distributions bug tracker |
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| 17:54.23 | d95 | klebezettel: Ok, good to know. So what now? I'm able to reproduce this on every KDE install (on this distro) I've tried. I've spoken -- at length -- to the Opensuse KDE devs. They were VERY clear that this is upstream. |
| 17:54.42 | Torch | d95: how did you talk to opensuse devs |
| 17:55.05 | klebezettel | hmm...so you can reproduce it with a naked QLineEdit...that shows that the problem is likely in Qt if you assume that kde just 'types' the characters - it shouldn't play a role where it is typed. But for my Qt it works...so your qt is somehow different |
| 17:55.07 | d95 | d95: By IRC, by mailing list, and -- it's been awhile -- very possibly a bug report. |
| 17:55.17 | d95 | er Torch |
| 17:55.21 | DaZ | orated: you can try qdbus org.kde.screensaver /ScreenSaver Lock |
| 17:55.28 | DaZ | as for config file, wat? |
| 17:56.26 | klebezettel | d95: what you _can_ do to prove it's in 'vanilla' qt: get qt sources and build it...then start the example from the build qt and try again |
| 17:56.31 | d95 | klebezettel: That again makes sense to _me_. It's the Qt devs calling KDE's ouptut "garbage" ... "ind out what kind of non-printable garbage KDE is sending " |
| 17:56.56 | d95 | How do I *build* Qt? |
| 17:57.08 | d95 | I'm a user not a developer |
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| 17:58.16 | klebezettel | d95: ideally you just need to enter some commands described at http://qt-project.org/wiki/Building_Qt_5_from_Git - this will build Qt5 which will get soon released - if the bug is reproducible with this version, it will probably get more attention |
| 17:58.55 | klebezettel | d95: but unfortunately there are not explicit instructions for opensuse :/ |
| 17:59.07 | klebezettel | (like installing the right dependencies to build qt...) |
| 17:59.27 | orated | DaZ: Yes, I know the command - qdbus org.kde.krunner /ScreenSaver org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver.Lock && xset dpms force off. I'd like to replace the default action/command or the command in the default config file with my own |
| 18:00.20 | DaZ | uhm |
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| 18:00.57 | DaZ | now i get it, unfortunately don't know the answer :c |
| 18:00.59 | d95 | klebezettel: You're asking a dog to sing Opera -- It's just not in my skillset. If the only way this gets fixed is for me to act like a developer, then I know what I have to do. |
| 18:01.13 | orated | DaZ: There must be some file where trigger, activity, action such code is stored. Default action. |
| 18:01.21 | d95 | Thanks klebezettel and Torch for the honesty though. And the help. |
| 18:01.25 | orated | Or maybe config file for power profiles? |
| 18:01.33 | Torch | d95: i just wrote some test code and i can't reproduce either |
| 18:01.46 | Torch | d95: so it does work correctly for me in a plain qt app under qt 4.8.2 |
| 18:01.53 | Torch | d95: also ubuntu |
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| 18:02.25 | d95 | Torch: Ok, then. I certainly can't argue with what you're seeing in front of _you_. So, checkmate for me. |
| 18:02.48 | Torch | d95: no one is saying you do not encounter the bug |
| 18:02.59 | Torch | d95: it's just a lot harder to fix it if no one can reproduce |
| 18:03.12 | d95 | Torch: I know -- not suggesting that. Only that I"ve exceeded *my* ability to do anything about it. |
| 18:03.50 | d95 | Sorry if I'm frustrated. I've done everything that's been asked of me that I'm able -- dogging this for a year. |
| 18:04.21 | Torch | d95: don't worry about it, you're coming across very professional |
| 18:04.43 | d95 | Torch: You're not seeing my hand gestures ;-) |
| 18:04.52 | Torch | heh |
| 18:05.43 | klebezettel | d95: I could setup an opensuse environment and investigate with that...but I don't know when I will get to it (timewise) |
| 18:06.33 | d95 | The one thing that really gets my goat is that I talked a lot in irc (kde &/or qt channels) a long time ago with some fella that was "the accessibility guy". I got instructions, and an assurance that he'd look at it. Never did. Never reponded to any follow up. I made the mistake of telling my friend -- "We're getting this fixed for you!" Now I feel like an ass. |
| 18:06.44 | klebezettel | d95: but it's not a problem for me to try it again with Qt5 on monday |
| 18:07.35 | d95 | klebezettel: Again, thanks. This *seems* so simple, but it involves so many pieces I geuss it's not. |
| 18:08.24 | Torch | d95: i can only imagine the code KDE have in place to insert keystrokes behind the back of Qt.... is has to be a hell of a hack, so no surprise it's breaking in special cases |
| 18:09.03 | d95 | Bottom line _here_, when you don't have hands, this gets to be a pretty big deal ... |
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| 18:09.46 | klebezettel | I would be very angry if it turns out that this is a opensuse thingy... |
| 18:11.31 | klebezettel | d95: what about opensuse 12.2? seems to be released |
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| 18:11.36 | d95 | klebezettel: I couldn't prove one way or the other ... All I remember is that "wstephenson" was the guy I'd talked with repeatedly about this, and he said -- in irc and in email -- go upstream. |
| 18:11.55 | d95 | Happens with 12.1 & 12.2. consistently. |
| 18:12.34 | kde_pepo | I can reproduce the issue. What's interesting is that when I use "a:b:c:Shift+1:x" (which means "abc!x" in regular mode) appears as "a!x" in password mode. |
| 18:12.50 | klebezettel | so it's the '!'? |
| 18:13.02 | klebezettel | kde_pepo: qt, kde, distro version? |
| 18:13.10 | d95 | kde_pepo: you can? which cinbination ov versions? |
| 18:13.18 | d95 | oops. combination of versions |
| 18:13.20 | kde_pepo | kde master, compiled yesterday :) |
| 18:13.25 | kde_pepo | Qt 4.8.3 |
| 18:14.08 | kde_pepo | let me add more checks, I think Qt can signal you on every textChanged() |
| 18:14.11 | klebezettel | kde_pepo: so qlineedit doesn't get what it should from kde? |
| 18:14.20 | klebezettel | kde_pepo: yes it can, I've done that |
| 18:15.39 | kde_pepo | When using edit.setEchoMode(QLineEdit::Password); it works correctly (albeit showing the password, of course) |
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| 18:15.55 | kde_pepo | sorry, I mean edit.setEchoMode(QLineEdit::PasswordEchoOnEdit); |
| 18:17.24 | klebezettel | so either qlineedit works weird in password mode or kde sends not the right thing when it sends it to a qlineedit in password mode... |
| 18:17.25 | kde_pepo | let me check qt sources |
| 18:17.42 | kde_pepo | I only have Qt 5 sources, though, but I hope they aren't changed too much |
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| 18:17.55 | klebezettel | don't bet on that ;) |
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| 18:22.34 | d95 | kde_pepo: Im having trouble following any of this, but -- why do you see it and others dont? |
| 18:23.08 | kde_pepo | No idea, maybe others cannot follow your steps to reproduce ;) |
| 18:23.26 | d95 | sorry |
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| 18:24.38 | kde_pepo | d95, do you remember it working in an older version? |
| 18:25.25 | d95 | kde_pepo: Yes it did, back in the opensuse 11.x series. maybe pre-kde4 -- can't remember. |
| 18:25.37 | d95 | but 100% certain it did. |
| 18:26.07 | kde_pepo | To me, it looks like a bug introduced with passwordMaskDelay. Appearently, Qt uses a timer for automatically hiding the input after a while for each pressed letter. When you press multiple letters at once, it cannot cope and replaces only first of them |
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| 18:26.50 | kde_pepo | d95, which Qt widget style are you using? Oxygen? |
| 18:27.27 | d95 | kde_pepo: you mean in kde settings? |
| 18:28.29 | kde_pepo | anyway, I can also reproduce with Oxygen |
| 18:28.34 | d95 | kde_pepo: qtconfig -> gui style -> oxygen |
| 18:28.55 | kde_pepo | Too bad I no longer use Qt compiled from source ... |
| 18:29.31 | kde_pepo | but hm, let me check Qt 5. |
| 18:31.26 | kde_pepo | It works with Qt 5 :( |
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| 18:39.56 | kde_pepo | d95, are you on Ubuntu? |
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| 18:41.51 | klebezettel | kde_pepo: it's opensuse |
| 18:42.55 | d95 | kde_pepo: klebezettel is correct -- it's Opensuse 12.2/64 w/ KDE |
| 18:43.53 | kde_pepo | I am still pretty sure it's caused by the delayed masking |
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| 18:46.32 | wyfrn | how to programmatically toggle krunner? the dbus interface just provides a display / query method |
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| 18:49.13 | leon211 | when i open amarok or kontact the application opens a tray icon. is there a way to close to tray using a keyboard shortcut instead of the window close button? |
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| 18:50.13 | graft | hey, anyone else have this issue with not being able to launch applications using Enter from kickoff? |
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| 18:50.28 | graft | in favorites |
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| 18:54.00 | cb400f | leon211: ctrl+q .. assuming the app has focus |
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| 18:54.25 | DaZ | graft: yup |
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| 18:54.46 | DaZ | although it works when you type in the name :c |
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| 18:55.35 | leon211 | cb400f: that kills it |
| 18:55.58 | cb400f | leon211: ah, alt+f4 then |
| 18:56.04 | cb400f | misread |
| 18:57.06 | leon211 | cb400f: thanks that works. very handy |
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| 19:05.25 | klebezettel | kde_pepo: so please provide your insight at https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-24304 |
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| 19:08.38 | dysoco | Hey, I just downloaded the Desktop theme Caledonia, and extracted the Tarball in /usr/share/apps/desktoptheme but I don't see it in the Desktop Settings... is that the correct Path for a system-wide installation ? |
| 19:09.44 | jerware | how can I associate a keyboard shortcut with starting an application, say a konsole session? |
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| 19:11.32 | bbeck | dysoco: I believe on Kubuntu that path should be: /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/ |
| 19:11.39 | dysoco | I'm running Debian |
| 19:11.46 | dysoco | but thanks, I'll try that path |
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| 19:13.49 | dysoco | bbeck, seems like yes, brb |
| 19:13.51 | dysoco | thanks |
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| 19:15.30 | kde_pepo | done |
| 19:16.10 | jerware | system settings > shortcuts and gestures |
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| 19:20.37 | danieltree | how can I create a calendar in Kontact that can store events localy? |
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| 19:22.01 | d95 | kde_pepo: Is there anything additional you need from me ? |
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| 19:22.50 | diegoviola | hi |
| 19:22.52 | kde_pepo | well, you already proved patience, now you need luck. |
| 19:23.18 | diegoviola | how to view pts/tty (similar to what i see in ps aux) in system monitor? |
| 19:23.40 | diegoviola | oh nvm, i found it |
| 19:23.41 | diegoviola | right click ;) |
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| 19:23.56 | diegoviola | i wasn't aware there was a right click there |
| 19:24.54 | kde_pepo | d95, what I _can_ do is work around the Qt bug in KDE, maybe by introducing a configurable delay |
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| 20:01.27 | frankko | good morning comrades |
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| 20:01.40 | Sho_ | hi frankko |
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| 20:10.41 | ompaul | does that work as ... welcome to the kool kommune? |
| 20:12.40 | frankko | hehe |
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| 20:24.27 | d95 | d95: "luck". I've never won a thing, so I'm SOL, eh? ;-) Could I trouble you if/when you have a chance to add some actionable "dev speak/proof" on this to the bug? At least, then that would be solved. If there's a reasonable workaround (in the form of a patch or something?) I'd be able to point the Opensuse pacakagers at it i suppose. |
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| 20:42.04 | *** topic/#kde is KDE SC 4.9.2 is out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 |
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| 20:48.45 | d95 | kde_pepo: Thanks for the comments @bug! |
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| 21:27.49 | JoeSomebody | when i add a folder view widget to my panel it is 10 times wider than i want it, how can i make it no wider than other icons on my panel? in my last distro pclinuxos it was ok, in mageia 2 it is not, it is 10 times wider |
| 21:28.06 | JoeSomebody | i am running a newer kde |
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| 21:30.26 | qu-bit | does dolphin have the capacity to thumbnail .kra files? |
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| 21:52.11 | kde_pepo | qu-bit, install Krita |
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| 22:14.27 | wyfrn | how to programmatically toggle krunner? the dbus interface just provides a display / query method |
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| 22:27.18 | Sho_ | wyfrn: cheap trick would be keyboard shortcut via cdotool |
| 22:27.34 | Sho_ | *xdotool |
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| 23:08.02 | Dreadtower | Hello all |
| 23:08.57 | Dreadtower | I need a real-time shared web page |
| 23:09.04 | Dreadtower | Is this a whiteboard? |
| 23:09.25 | Dreadtower | Anyway, anyone know of one? |
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| 23:32.37 | crypticmofo | hi all i need some help |
| 23:32.45 | Sho_ | hi crypticmofo |
| 23:32.50 | crypticmofo | im trying to download a kde app and im trying to install the src but im having issues |
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| 23:33.12 | crypticmofo | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=9941 |
| 23:33.49 | Sho_ | crypticmofo: that's for KDE 3 ... |
| 23:33.53 | crypticmofo | oh |
| 23:34.20 | Sho_ | i think there is a keyboard led widget in kdeplasma-addons |
| 23:34.24 | crypticmofo | hmm |
| 23:34.48 | crypticmofo | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/?content=136203 ? |
| 23:35.11 | Sho_ | or that yeah |
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