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| 00:12.29 | tuxhat | wow kde is so much like windows 7 |
| 00:12.35 | tuxhat | good job |
| 00:12.36 | nixiepixel | heloo allll |
| 00:12.37 | tuxhat | :) |
| 00:12.51 | tuxhat | and kde works just like windows 7 |
| 00:12.53 | tuxhat | VERY SLOW |
| 00:12.59 | nixiepixel | i am a ex windows user i feel so happy when i use kde |
| 00:13.09 | nixiepixel | kde is even slower than windows i like slow pc |
| 00:13.17 | tuxhat | kde plasma blast me to outter space |
| 00:13.31 | nixiepixel | i like sluggish pcs |
| 00:13.36 | tuxhat | i like the windows like start menu |
| 00:13.43 | tuxhat | its like still being on windows eh |
| 00:13.45 | nixiepixel | did u try lanceloot |
| 00:13.53 | nixiepixel | its sexy |
| 00:13.56 | tuxhat | oh yeah thats even more like windows |
| 00:13.59 | tuxhat | lulz |
| 00:13.59 | nixiepixel | yea |
| 00:14.01 | rindolf | tuxhat: KDE 4 is not very slow for me. |
| 00:14.11 | tuxhat | u must have a very super computer eh |
| 00:14.15 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:14.21 | nixiepixel | ahaha |
| 00:14.21 | tuxhat | i am not rich u see |
| 00:14.31 | tuxhat | kde is so bloated |
| 00:14.38 | tuxhat | it uses like 4 gb of ram |
| 00:14.39 | rindolf | tuxhat: I've ran it on a Pentium 4 2.4GHz machine. |
| 00:14.39 | tuxhat | why ? |
| 00:14.48 | rindolf | tuxhat: less than 4 GB of RAM. |
| 00:14.53 | nixiepixel | gnome is so simple but i cannot adjust to gnome |
| 00:14.56 | tuxhat | ok but more than 2gb right ? |
| 00:15.02 | nixiepixel | i am windows user i like kde |
| 00:15.07 | rindolf | Currently my machine is using 1.6 GB of RAM and it's x86-64. |
| 00:15.13 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:15.14 | tuxhat | 1.6 gb |
| 00:15.16 | tuxhat | wow thats alot |
| 00:15.22 | tuxhat | i am using awesome |
| 00:15.27 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:15.31 | nixiepixel | ahaha |
| 00:15.35 | tuxhat | its using like 800mb |
| 00:15.38 | rindolf | Well, Firefox is consuming a lot of RAM. |
| 00:15.42 | tuxhat | but i got alot of shit open eh |
| 00:15.47 | nixiepixel | firefox really pisses me off |
| 00:15.54 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:15.55 | tuxhat | i use internet explorer |
| 00:15.58 | tuxhat | in wine |
| 00:16.02 | nixiepixel | cool |
| 00:16.11 | tuxhat | to get the real feel of windows in kde |
| 00:16.12 | nixiepixel | ie 10 is gonna b e awesome |
| 00:16.13 | tuxhat | ooo yeah |
| 00:16.15 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:16.24 | nixiepixel | u can use ie 9 |
| 00:16.30 | nixiepixel | it is quite good |
| 00:16.33 | tuxhat | i install that lauchpad thingy kde has |
| 00:16.36 | nixiepixel | but a bit slow in wine |
| 00:16.39 | tuxhat | it feels like iam using a macos |
| 00:16.53 | rindolf | Now it's 1,126 after I shut down Firefox. |
| 00:16.54 | tuxhat | whats it call |
| 00:17.01 | nixiepixel | immm |
| 00:17.02 | tuxhat | firefox gots a memory leakage |
| 00:17.06 | tuxhat | i use opera |
| 00:17.16 | nixiepixel | google chrome? |
| 00:17.18 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:17.23 | tuxhat | google chrome is good |
| 00:17.27 | tuxhat | but with my microsoft cam |
| 00:17.30 | tuxhat | it has a bug |
| 00:17.35 | tuxhat | that flickers the light off and on |
| 00:17.38 | nixiepixel | aww |
| 00:17.51 | tuxhat | and when i try to do a screencast |
| 00:17.58 | tuxhat | with google chrome open it fails |
| 00:18.11 | tuxhat | because i use my camera and mic on the device |
| 00:18.12 | nixiepixel | bad eh |
| 00:18.16 | nixiepixel | google is shit |
| 00:18.19 | tuxhat | and google chrome is using buggy codes |
| 00:18.26 | tuxhat | and firefox uses alot of chromium code |
| 00:18.30 | tuxhat | and i hate firefox |
| 00:18.31 | tuxhat | it sucks |
| 00:18.44 | tuxhat | opera is actually good |
| 00:18.45 | nixiepixel | rindolf which ditro do u use |
| 00:18.52 | tuxhat | i use kubuntu |
| 00:18.56 | nixiepixel | i too |
| 00:19.01 | rindolf | nixiepixel: Mageia Linux 3. |
| 00:19.04 | tuxhat | right on |
| 00:19.07 | nixiepixel | waht is that |
| 00:19.12 | tuxhat | ubuntu is the next windows os |
| 00:19.13 | nixiepixel | ohh mandriva |
| 00:19.15 | tuxhat | \m/ |
| 00:19.34 | tuxhat | mandriva has mac os features |
| 00:19.42 | tuxhat | its like a win/mac linux distro |
| 00:19.43 | nixiepixel | how do u pronounce mageia rindolf lulz |
| 00:19.57 | rindolf | nixiepixel: Mah-ggéh-ya |
| 00:20.04 | nixiepixel | hgehe |
| 00:20.06 | tuxhat | i remember mandriva took like 6 cd rom to install it |
| 00:20.12 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:20.16 | tuxhat | i hated the system |
| 00:20.22 | nixiepixel | it is a fork of mandrake i think |
| 00:20.23 | tuxhat | it was very bloated like slackware |
| 00:20.34 | tuxhat | and opensuse |
| 00:20.37 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:20.39 | tuxhat | fucking gay ass distro |
| 00:20.43 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:20.45 | tuxhat | nothing beats kubuntu |
| 00:20.52 | nixiepixel | yaa |
| 00:20.55 | tuxhat | they are gonna be better than windows and might replace it |
| 00:20.57 | tuxhat | who knows |
| 00:21.01 | nixiepixel | yep |
| 00:21.02 | tuxhat | lulz |
| 00:21.07 | tuxhat | with kde |
| 00:21.14 | nixiepixel | yea |
| 00:21.17 | tuxhat | k desktop lulz |
| 00:21.20 | nixiepixel | kde is so aweome |
| 00:21.21 | tuxhat | kdesu |
| 00:21.23 | tuxhat | lulz |
| 00:21.26 | nixiepixel | haha |
| 00:21.27 | tuxhat | dolphin what a gay name |
| 00:21.40 | nixiepixel | use konqueror |
| 00:21.42 | nixiepixel | i |
| 00:21.44 | tuxhat | kmenu should call start menu |
| 00:21.46 | tuxhat | samething |
| 00:21.49 | nixiepixel | i never liked dolphin |
| 00:21.56 | tuxhat | dolphin lulz |
| 00:22.03 | tuxhat | why doesn't it mount my device |
| 00:22.05 | tuxhat | lulz |
| 00:22.08 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:22.21 | tuxhat | and the blue rox like folders |
| 00:22.23 | tuxhat | so lame |
| 00:22.29 | nixiepixel | kde has 336 irc gnome 90 lulz |
| 00:22.37 | tuxhat | can kde be any more orginal ? |
| 00:22.37 | nixiepixel | kde beating hell outta gnome |
| 00:22.40 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:22.46 | tuxhat | they copied windows |
| 00:22.49 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:22.50 | tuxhat | and now rox |
| 00:22.54 | tuxhat | what is next |
| 00:23.00 | nixiepixel | haha |
| 00:23.01 | tuxhat | oh yeah they copied launchpad too |
| 00:23.04 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:23.14 | Jucato | ... |
| 00:23.23 | nixiepixel | kde is the best |
| 00:23.24 | tuxhat | check out the ms gadgets eh |
| 00:23.26 | tuxhat | right on |
| 00:23.30 | nixiepixel | thing ever happened to linux |
| 00:23.35 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:23.43 | tuxhat | it gots notes like vista gates |
| 00:23.44 | nixiepixel | u can use kde in windows if u want |
| 00:23.50 | tuxhat | and that analog clock so orginal man |
| 00:23.51 | nixiepixel | i use it it is cool |
| 00:24.03 | tuxhat | i know lulz |
| 00:24.07 | nixiepixel | microsoft copied kde i htink |
| 00:24.15 | tuxhat | u see how fucking ubuntu tries to be like windows |
| 00:24.20 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:24.36 | tuxhat | should eh linux distro be more like unix ? |
| 00:24.36 | nixiepixel | canonical stop funding kubuntu beacause of kde |
| 00:24.40 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:24.57 | tuxhat | and linux mint are jealous of ubuntu |
| 00:25.01 | tuxhat | but they use their base |
| 00:25.02 | nixiepixel | people really make fun of kde |
| 00:25.03 | tuxhat | interesting |
| 00:25.12 | tuxhat | all these developers are fucking faggotz |
| 00:25.13 | Jucato | this channel is for user support for KDE, not for lulz or offtopic chatter. if you wish to continue your conversation, you can either do it in PM or in #kde-chat |
| 00:25.15 | nixiepixel | kde is so bloated man |
| 00:25.23 | nixiepixel | i use lubuntu it uses 45 mb |
| 00:25.24 | Jucato | tuxhat: watch your language |
| 00:25.26 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:25.31 | tuxhat | fuck u faggot |
| 00:25.34 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:25.36 | nixiepixel | ahaha |
| 00:25.39 | tuxhat | suck a cock |
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| 00:25.42 | nixiepixel | ahaha |
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| 00:25.48 | nixiepixel | ahaha |
| 00:25.55 | nixiepixel | man |
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| 00:26.00 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:26.04 | tuxhat | suck a cock ban me |
| 00:26.07 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:26.08 | tuxhat | pussy |
| 00:26.11 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:26.18 | tuxhat | fucking pussy like bill gates uh |
| 00:26.22 | nixiepixel | lol |
| 00:26.33 | tuxhat | go hide behind ur macintosh |
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| 00:26.35 | rindolf | nixiepixel: what's so funny? |
| 00:26.41 | nixiepixel | his language lol |
| 00:26.47 | Santiclause | uh |
| 00:27.07 | nixiepixel | he must be a gnome user |
| 00:27.10 | Santiclause | that banmask just showed up to me as *!*@*... |
| 00:27.23 | Jucato | er |
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| 00:27.49 | Jucato | files a bug report |
| 00:28.16 | nixiepixel | nepomuk is unnecesaary i disable it every time |
| 00:28.44 | nixiepixel | honestly kde runs better in windows 7 than in kubuntu |
| 00:28.50 | nixiepixel | ;) |
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| 00:40.07 | Santiclause | So, anybody know how to toggle the Kickoff application launcher window? I tried to do it by simulating a keypress for a global hotkey (I set the hotkey to F13, and used xdotool key F13 to simulate the keypress), but that didn't work. |
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| 00:42.32 | Jucato | Santiclause: right-click on the application launcher icon -> Application Launcher Settings -> Keyboard Shortcut? |
| 00:43.03 | Jucato | (although I don't have an F13 key setting with xdotool so I can't check that. I tried with Alt+F1) |
| 00:43.04 | Santiclause | Huh? |
| 00:43.12 | Santiclause | It has a shortcut |
| 00:43.14 | Santiclause | the shortcut is set |
| 00:43.27 | Santiclause | what I'm trying to do is toggle kickoff from within a script |
| 00:43.39 | Jucato | ah |
| 00:43.40 | Santiclause | and simulating a shortcut key was just the only solution I could find |
| 00:43.51 | Santiclause | (and it doesn't even work properly :() |
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| 04:22.31 | Kalidarn | when i ssh into something i just see "Enter passphrase for key" on the terminal, isn't kwallet supposed to manage that? |
| 04:22.56 | Kalidarn | and pop up with something like kdesudo or pinentry-qt4 |
| 04:23.09 | Sho_ | if you have kdesshaskpass installed and set up yeah |
| 04:23.18 | Kalidarn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.27 | Kalidarn | (trying to solve a filezilla bug) |
| 04:23.57 | Kalidarn | basically when you use SSH_AUTH and ssh-agent it will only work if that dialog in ubuntu (unity) comes up that asks for the password |
| 04:24.21 | Kalidarn | and with macosx you have to establish a ssh terminal session, i suspect the key isn't being delivered :) |
| 04:29.15 | Kalidarn | Sho_: i wonder if i have to restart KDE after installing ksshaskpass |
| 04:30.12 | Sho_ | Kalidarn: you definitely have to restart it to use ssh-agent since the desktop session has to be a child process of the agent |
| 04:30.19 | Sho_ | if you're not using the agent yet, .. |
| 04:30.23 | Kalidarn | yup and that solved my issue :) |
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| 04:36.14 | Kalidarn | Sho_: is there a particular method to get ksshaskpass to start on boot |
| 04:36.27 | Kalidarn | was having a look at: http://www.unicom.com/blog/entry/612 and wondered if that's really the right way |
| 04:38.01 | Sho_ | Kalidarn: honestly i don't know, i haven't used it yet |
| 04:38.17 | Sho_ | Kalidarn: my ssh usage is mostly limited to the terminal so i don't mind typing "ssh-add" there once |
| 04:39.12 | Kalidarn | ah |
| 04:39.23 | Kalidarn | so is mine mostly :) |
| 04:39.56 | Kalidarn | seems like an easy enough method, ill put in a bug report with my distributor |
| 04:45.18 | Kalidarn | hmm Sho_ maybe they didn't include it because of this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=254198 |
| 04:45.27 | Kalidarn | https://bugs.launchpad.net/kde-runtime/+bug/874199 |
| 04:45.36 | Kalidarn | probably would have caused more problems to include it than not to |
| 04:46.03 | Sho_ | sounds annoying |
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| 07:52.59 | nickyc | How do I install 4.9.2 on Ubuntu? |
| 07:53.55 | Kalidarn | ni1s: wait a few days for it to be added to the PPA |
| 07:54.16 | Kalidarn | you'll see something like: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-plasma-workspaces-applications-and-platform-491 |
| 07:54.17 | tsimpson | 4.9.2 isn't even released yet |
| 07:54.24 | Kalidarn | that too |
| 07:54.24 | nickyc | Kalidarn: why isn't there some continous build integration? |
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| 07:54.38 | Kalidarn | because 4.9.2 isn't even released yet |
| 07:54.46 | Kalidarn | from kde.org so obviously packages aren't going to exist |
| 07:54.48 | nickyc | Or: how do I install something which will become 4.9.2? |
| 07:54.55 | Kalidarn | then you want trunk |
| 07:55.03 | Kalidarn | and for that you have to compile it from source probably |
| 07:55.17 | Kalidarn | 4.9.2 will be very similar to 4.9.1 anyway just a few bugfixes |
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| 07:55.29 | nickyc | Kalidarn: are you saying that every KDE developer has to compile everything from scratch all the time? |
| 07:55.44 | nickyc | It's a miracle that you make any progress at all in that case. |
| 07:55.44 | Kalidarn | they don't necessarily all use ubuntu. |
| 07:55.57 | tsimpson | they don't have to compile from scratch, they just rebuild |
| 07:55.58 | Kalidarn | and welcome to open source |
| 07:56.05 | Kalidarn | you have to compile shit when changes are made to the code |
| 07:56.06 | Sho_ | nickyc: no, our build system supports incremental building |
| 07:56.25 | Sho_ | nickyc: i.e. it will only rebuild what it needs to when code files change |
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| 07:56.35 | nickyc | Sho_: which system would that be? |
| 07:56.41 | nickyc | Sho_: because cmake does not. |
| 07:56.42 | Kalidarn | what tsimpson said, usually kde developers have particular areas they work on anyway so they only recompile the stuff that relates to what they are doing |
| 07:56.47 | Sho_ | nickyc: combine that with something like ccache, and it's a tiny amount of time |
| 07:56.55 | Sho_ | nickyc: cmake |
| 07:57.10 | nickyc | cmake is not incremental, but whatever. |
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| 07:57.27 | Sho_ | it is, but i can tell you're one of the people who know everything better ;) |
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| 07:57.40 | Sho_ | and i don't waste my time on those, so EOD from my end |
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| 07:58.22 | nickyc | Sho_: do you have your setup documented anywhere? |
| 07:58.39 | nickyc | With benchmarks to show how long it takes to change a single line and do a recompilation? |
| 07:59.15 | nickyc | An example of such a benchmark would be recompiling kwin to change the meaning of left and right in it. |
| 07:59.39 | tsimpson | it depends on the line you change |
| 08:00.12 | nickyc | tsimpson: what about just adding a std::cout << "Hello"; line? |
| 08:00.16 | tsimpson | if it only effects one object file, then it's a quick rebuild and relink. if it's a change in a header that's used all over the place, then you must rebuild more |
| 08:00.34 | nickyc | tsimpson: define quick, because doing that in Firefox takes 20 minutes. |
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| 08:01.06 | thiago | nickyc: rebuilding a random Qt library, it will usually take 2 seconds + the time requied for linking |
| 08:01.34 | Sho_ | nickyc: My setup is pretty basic - source dirs, build dirs, a prefix to install to and a bunch of bash functions to ease navigation. I use kdesrc-build to manage the daily update-and-build-it-all, and otherwise for more targeted stuff just jump into the right build dir and run make install, or let KDevelop do it if I'm in there |
| 08:01.37 | nickyc | Do you also have incremental linking support? |
| 08:01.47 | thiago | no |
| 08:01.54 | Sho_ | nickyc: I currently don't use ccache, but if I did that'd just wrap g++ and so be transparent to the build system |
| 08:01.55 | thiago | $ touch tools/qstring.cpp&& make |
| 08:02.00 | thiago | [...] |
| 08:02.00 | thiago | Build succeeded, took 0:06.372s (total run time 0:06.481s), 58.0% CPU usage |
| 08:02.22 | thiago | nickyc: incremental linking is a feature of the linker. If the linker supports it, it will do it. |
| 08:02.35 | nickyc | thiago: you have to tell it to use it lots of cases. |
| 08:02.57 | Sho_ | nickyc: How long an incremental rebuild takes for something like kwin depends mostly on whether the mtime of headers changed. If you just change one .cpp file it will only recompile that .cpp file; if a .h changed that is included by half the world, well, then it will rebuild half the world |
| 08:03.34 | nickyc | Why don't you switch to a language which has an actual module system? |
| 08:03.42 | nickyc | (such that you don't have the include hell problem) |
| 08:03.45 | Sho_ | nickyc: cmake supports a magic "make install/fast" that skips the dependency checking and can be used judicuously when you know better (i.e. "yes the mtime changed but no relevantcontents") |
| 08:03.53 | Sho_ | nickyc: but i rarely use that myself |
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| 08:04.16 | thiago | that just installs the files, without rebuilding them |
| 08:04.29 | nickyc | I.e., why is KDE a single language system? |
| 08:04.35 | thiago | nickyc: because it isn't |
| 08:05.02 | Sho_ | we also have a 'unsercmake' script in kdesdk/scripts that tries to improve on the bhavior of install/fast, but i don't know if anyone actually uses that |
| 08:05.24 | nickyc | thiago: it isn't? |
| 08:05.28 | thiago | nickyc: it isn't |
| 08:05.43 | Kalidarn | nickyc: you know google could answer a lot of your questions |
| 08:05.48 | nickyc | I will just run sloccount then. |
| 08:05.49 | Sho_ | has written a fair number of KDE apps in Python |
| 08:05.56 | nickyc | Sure, applications. |
| 08:06.00 | nickyc | But not the core libraries. |
| 08:06.12 | nickyc | I know there are bindings to tons of languages. |
| 08:06.26 | thiago | well, the libraries need to be standardised so they can be used by everyone |
| 08:06.32 | thiago | binding 1 language to many is a hard enough task |
| 08:06.47 | thiago | binding N to M would be extremely difficult |
| 08:07.04 | Sho_ | We don't technically have a _policy_ against non-C++ libraries however, I guess it just never made technical sense, nor did people want to do it |
| 08:07.07 | thiago | more importantly, one core library would need to use bindings to access another library if they were in incompatible languages |
| 08:07.11 | Marquel | morning, and my question again: audiocd-kioslave does not provide ogg/vorbis transcoding though necessary libraries are in place and linking shows no errors. any hints on this? |
| 08:07.14 | Kalidarn | just because you can do something doesn't mean it's a good idea nickyc |
| 08:07.27 | thiago | Marquel: probably because the headers aren't present |
| 08:07.31 | Kalidarn | most projects have certain design constraints to make them operable on by multiple people |
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| 08:08.17 | nickyc | Sho_: so if someone would port a core C++ library to some other language with similar performance and the same interface for third party code but ostensibly better code, that would get accepted? |
| 08:08.33 | nickyc | Or would that not be 'portable enough'? |
| 08:08.35 | Marquel | thiago: what can i do against that? |
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| 08:08.38 | thiago | nickyc: to be honest, it would be unlikely |
| 08:08.41 | thiago | Marquel: install them |
| 08:08.48 | Marquel | thiago: which? ;) |
| 08:08.54 | thiago | Marquel: the vorbis headers |
| 08:09.13 | Sho_ | nickyc: maybe not, because it would still leave open the issue of whether you're the only one able to maintain it because nobody else has expertise in the language, and that is a very low bus number |
| 08:09.17 | nickyc | You already have an ARM device working, right? Does it actually work? |
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| 08:09.26 | thiago | nickyc: it works |
| 08:09.33 | Sho_ | nickyc: but generally speaking, if there were only upsides and people were comfortable with the maintenance side, sure, why not? |
| 08:09.48 | nickyc | thiago: that is, can some grandma use it and not see a segmentation fault? |
| 08:09.57 | Marquel | thiago: headers are there. as well as the kioslave's libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis.so (which was meant by "libraries are in place") |
| 08:10.07 | thiago | Marquel: then I don't know |
| 08:10.08 | Sho_ | nickyc: ARM works reliably, no issues there |
| 08:10.19 | nickyc | Nice. |
| 08:10.49 | Sho_ | nickyc: keep in mind that the basis of our stack (Qt) has been on ARM and generally been ISA-portable for many, many years, and kdelibs doesn't contain a whole lot of low-level code |
| 08:10.50 | thiago | as for the device itself, anyone making a device sold to grandma would do their own hardening and release testing |
| 08:11.09 | Sho_ | nickyc: there were some minor fixes to do here and there, but overall it wasn't much |
| 08:11.20 | nickyc | thiago: that's not my experience with technology ;) |
| 08:11.22 | Sho_ | and app-level code basically wasn't affected |
| 08:11.31 | thiago | nickyc: it is mine |
| 08:11.42 | thiago | nickyc: I've seen a device mature once. It took months to fix all bugs. |
| 08:11.51 | thiago | or most, anyway |
| 08:12.22 | thiago | there aren't many brands that survive a "can't make calls if you hold it the wrong way" type of bugs |
| 08:12.29 | nickyc | In my computer, my harddisk had the wrong firmware (would magically delete all data on a random day), my graphics drivers crashed every week, and my motherboard also had a recall. |
| 08:12.49 | nickyc | And my other harddisk (SSD) had a similar problem. |
| 08:13.04 | nickyc | 3 of those are software problems. |
| 08:13.14 | thiago | indeed |
| 08:13.35 | nickyc | I think the only stuff which doesn't have these issues is enterprise hardware which is generally older and well tested. |
| 08:13.52 | thiago | that might be |
| 08:14.11 | Marquel | thiago: interestingly libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis.so does not link against libvorbis.... |
| 08:15.05 | Sho_ | nickyc: anyway, the bottom line is that the kde community likes c++ but isn't religious about it, many of us enjoy using other languages |
| 08:15.20 | thiago | right |
| 08:15.39 | thiago | the core libraries are all in C++ today and are likely to remain that way for maintenance and logistic reasons |
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| 08:15.51 | Sho_ | yup, i would agree |
| 08:16.01 | Kalidarn | you'll find the same on any platform though, macosx they're objective c |
| 08:16.08 | Kalidarn | and windows libraries are mostly c++ |
| 08:16.23 | Sho_ | actually apple sometimes offers both objc and c++ apis to the same thing |
| 08:16.24 | thiago | hmmm... they're actually C down the lowest level, on both |
| 08:16.28 | Sho_ | and then neglects the c++ one ;) |
| 08:16.38 | Kalidarn | Sho_: hah too true |
| 08:16.55 | thiago | the Carbon libraries were C API, until it got deprecated |
| 08:17.01 | thiago | the CoreFoundation libraries still have a C API |
| 08:17.20 | thiago | I don't know how they're implemented behind the scenes, but I'm guessing it's actually C for the most part |
| 08:17.30 | Kalidarn | and microsoft do similar things |
| 08:17.34 | thiago | the Mac OS X kernel, libc and all the low-level libs are C, of course |
| 08:17.51 | Kalidarn | C is suitable in places where C++ is not and vice versa. |
| 08:17.55 | thiago | on Windows, the kernel and all the low- and middle-level libs are C |
| 08:18.11 | thiago | C++ only shows up at the MFC and UI layers |
| 08:18.50 | Kalidarn | which is likely where it makes most sense to use an OO language |
| 08:18.55 | thiago | yes |
| 08:19.10 | thiago | Windows suffers from not having a standard compiler that dictates a C++ ABI |
| 08:19.25 | Kalidarn | but oh my god why don't they use some java and python too! and some fortran libraries because they can? |
| 08:19.45 | Kalidarn | i think i'll get on the phone to microsoft and complain about it |
| 08:20.21 | Sho_ | actually if you count plasma we have some javascript core libs now ;) |
| 08:20.38 | Kalidarn | heh |
| 08:20.59 | Kalidarn | though that's because a lot of plasmoids are pulling stuff from the internet |
| 08:21.09 | Kalidarn | its also cross platform with dock applets |
| 08:21.25 | Kalidarn | i read somewhere a while back it was possible to use certain dock applets in plasma? |
| 08:21.39 | nickyc | Can plasmoids do arbitrary code execution? |
| 08:21.40 | Kalidarn | (not the ones that obviously depend on macosx libraries) |
| 08:22.07 | Sho_ | nickyc: essentially the simple answer is "yes" |
| 08:22.55 | nickyc | Sho_: if that's the case, why isn't there some big warning on interfaces which allow to install from third parties? |
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| 08:23.33 | Marquel | thiago: i am not sure if this is related here, but though the buildsystems tells the compiler to link against libvorbis.so, libvorbis is not listed in ldd output of libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis.so. |
| 08:23.43 | Kalidarn | I've always wondered if there was something like this for KDE http://www.timescroller.com/Widget.html |
| 08:23.49 | thiago | Marquel: I'm not sure it's relevant |
| 08:24.01 | thiago | Marquel: it might be that it runs oggenc instead of linking to the libs |
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| 08:24.24 | thiago | Marquel: it does link here... |
| 08:24.26 | nickyc | Do you actually use plasmoids, btw? I have the impression that they are mostly a gimmick. |
| 08:24.32 | Kalidarn | it doesn't use any objective c, only javascript |
| 08:24.48 | Sho_ | nickyc: keep in mind that everything in the shell is a "a plasmoid" |
| 08:24.51 | Marquel | thiago: so libogg and libvorbis are listed in your ldd-output? |
| 08:25.00 | Sho_ | nickyc: the panel, the taskbar on it, the menu, the clock, the systray, the desktop itself |
| 08:25.31 | Kalidarn | user interfaces are gimmicks they will go away some day. |
| 08:26.31 | nickyc | Sho_: ok, well, I meant things like the black board. |
| 08:27.20 | Sho_ | nickyc: I only use a couple on the desktop surface, a monitor for my softraid which is pretty useful, two folder views and a notepad |
| 08:27.39 | Sho_ | nickyc: but my panel has quite a few i use very regularly, e.g. the pastebin one and the kdevelop session chooser |
| 08:28.06 | Kalidarn | is bouncy ball useful? it should be removed! |
| 08:28.24 | nickyc | Is there any way to use okular to print documents automatically? |
| 08:28.38 | Kalidarn | define automatically |
| 08:28.50 | nickyc | So, for i in *.pdf; do <some command> $i; done |
| 08:29.23 | Sho_ | nickyc: anyway, the point i was driving at is that the fact that the desktop surface lets you add "gimmicks" to it is just one way of expression in what is a very modular framework, and if we one day decide we don't want that or want to do something wildly different entirely, the very modular framework is still flexible enough to be reused for those other expressions - the netbook UI and the tablet UI we did show that |
| 08:29.48 | Sho_ | nickyc: so it's not like we did plasma because we wanted gimmicks on the desktop, but because we wanted that very modular framework |
| 08:30.22 | Kalidarn | i just discovered that if i double click on bouncy ball it jumps around my screen |
| 08:30.25 | Kalidarn | that's useful |
| 08:30.33 | nickyc | Sho_: I think what I am saying is that it would be better to not include black board and some others unless someone can make the case that it's really useful. |
| 08:31.10 | Sho_ | nickyc: we actually did try to keep the set of default bundled plasmoids very small, but early on we also needed to write a couple of things to prove the libraries |
| 08:31.21 | Sho_ | nickyc: note that the blackboard _is_ in the "kdeplasma-addons" module |
| 08:31.27 | Sho_ | kde-workspace _does_ ship with a very small set |
| 08:31.30 | Kalidarn | Sho_: ill get mad at you if you take my bouncy ball away! |
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| 08:31.48 | Sho_ | Kalidarn: i was party to a discussion recently that put the future of bouncy ball in doubt |
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| 08:31.59 | Sho_ | i suggest you grab your pitchfork now |
| 08:32.21 | Kalidarn | will do brb |
| 08:32.28 | Sho_ | :) |
| 08:33.42 | nickyc | Kalidarn: any idea on the printing queston? |
| 08:33.45 | Kalidarn | i might make a "ball of wool" plasmoid and demand that KDE distribute it |
| 08:34.01 | Kalidarn | nickyc: i'd say you'd be able to do it with imagemagick and piping it to something |
| 08:34.11 | Kalidarn | i can't say i've tried, i'd google it if i wanted to know how |
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| 08:34.25 | Sho_ | it might be possible to script okular via d-bus to open new d ocuments and rpint them |
| 08:34.39 | Sho_ | alas, even though i'm a semi-regular okular contributor i don't know since i never ever print |
| 08:34.49 | nickyc | Kalidarn: okular can undo the DRM, which is something I need. |
| 08:35.13 | Kalidarn | if there's DRM are you sure you should be undoing it? :) |
| 08:35.20 | Kalidarn | anyway i have to go now |
| 08:35.27 | nickyc | If I had some magic way to convert a DRM'ed file into a normal file, then I could use lpr. |
| 08:35.50 | Sho_ | pdftk may be able to strip the drm flags |
| 08:36.07 | nickyc | Just because someone tries to hinder me in achieving my goals, doesn't mean I cannot try to achieve my goals still. |
| 08:36.50 | Sho_ | and fwiw, yes, okular has enough d-bus to open a document and trigger the print dialog |
| 08:37.01 | Sho_ | the start of the print could be done via xdotool to the dialog |
| 08:37.09 | Sho_ | hacky as shit, burt |
| 08:37.13 | Sho_ | *but you can wire it up |
| 08:37.32 | nickyc | Sho_: there is an open bug for okular, because there isn't suck an interface. |
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| 08:37.52 | Sho_ | i just looked at it via qdbusviewer myself tho |
| 08:39.22 | Sho_ | there's an openDocument that takes a path string, and a way to trigger the print action |
| 08:39.52 | nickyc | Sho_: what way to trigger the print action? |
| 08:40.09 | nickyc | The openDocument things do work, yes. |
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| 08:40.22 | Sho_ | sec, let me type it out |
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| 08:41.39 | Sho_ | nickyc: qdbus org.kde.okular-<pid> /okular/okular__Shell/actions/file_print trigger |
| 08:42.00 | nickyc | Thanks, I will try that. |
| 08:42.22 | Sho_ | nickyc: thing is that will only get you the print dialog, you still need to press the button |
| 08:42.34 | nickyc | Sho_: and is that possible? |
| 08:42.49 | Sho_ | for that i recommend using xdotool or a mix of wmctrl and xdotool to get the winid of the dialog by its title and then send alt+p to it |
| 08:43.10 | Sho_ | (the keyboard accelerator of the print button) |
| 08:43.10 | nickyc | Sho_: ah, yes, I had never considered alt-p. |
| 08:43.34 | Sho_ | well xdotool could also do a mouse click at window-relative coordinates |
| 08:43.46 | Sho_ | which feels tempting in a shiny hack sort of way |
| 08:43.48 | Sho_ | ;) |
| 08:43.49 | nickyc | Sho_: yeah, but that will break really fast. |
| 08:43.54 | Sho_ | yep |
| 08:44.08 | nickyc | Alt-p is something which would be placed in a configuration file. |
| 08:44.08 | Sho_ | then again alt+p might equally easily |
| 08:44.18 | nickyc | (and perhaps even be generated from KDE source code) |
| 08:44.23 | nickyc | The proper fix would be an API. |
| 08:44.24 | Sho_ | since it might not be alt+p depending on translation |
| 08:44.31 | nickyc | That is a dbus interface. |
| 08:44.45 | Sho_ | aye, but then you'll concede that okular is a gui app and not really a pdf scripting environment |
| 08:44.56 | Sho_ | i mean it's defensible that it doesn't have that interface atm ;) |
| 08:45.05 | nickyc | Sho_: I would like a pdf scripting environment, but there isn't one., |
| 08:45.18 | Sho_ | there is pdftk |
| 08:45.33 | nickyc | Sho_: If I search for remove DRM pdftk I get garbage. |
| 08:45.47 | nickyc | pdftk was easily found, of course. |
| 08:46.02 | Sho_ | i'll admit i don't _know_ if it can do that since i don't have to manipulate pdfs myself |
| 08:46.16 | Sho_ | pdftk was just the one i was dimly aware of and felt it would fall into its ballpark |
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| 08:48.00 | mah454 | why login sound have dely in KDE ? |
| 08:48.09 | Marquel | *sigh* okay, seems a problem with the buildsystem and my libvorbis. thanks for your time. |
| 08:48.10 | mah454 | why login sound have delay in KDE ? |
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| 08:49.24 | Sho_ | sorry, clicking "Apply Settings" in the UI of my router made it reconnect for completely nonsensical reasons |
| 08:49.35 | Sho_ | last i got: [10:46] <Sho_> i'll admit i don't _know_ if it can do that since i don't have to manipulate pdfs myself [10:46] <Sho_> pdftk was just the one i was dimly aware of and felt it would fall into its ballpark |
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| 08:50.49 | mah454 | after some secound (10 or 20 S) i can hear KDE Login Sound ! |
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| 08:52.11 | Sho_ | mah454: it wanted to make sure you were really logged in! |
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| 08:53.17 | qw[Russian] | help me please |
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| 08:54.25 | qw[Russian] | This setting can be configured in the file "httpd-xampp.conf". |
| 08:54.55 | qw[Russian] | i see this message after install xampp |
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| 08:59.42 | mah454 | Sho_: yes , i success logged in to KDE |
| 08:59.54 | mah454 | but login sound have delay ! |
| 08:59.56 | mah454 | why ? |
| 09:00.01 | mah454 | How can fix this problem ? |
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| 14:59.19 | nickyc | Sho_: the qdbus call which you suggested doesn't return. Do you have any idea as to why not? |
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| 15:01.04 | bjackman | Hi, I've been having a problem with my plasma panel. It often becomes apparently unresponsive, although this unresponsiveness usually turns out to be just slowness (I get a response after ~30 seconds). This goes for both clicking on icons and the icons responding to changes made (e.g. the pager reflecting that I have switched desktops using the keyboard). I can't find anyone with the same problem online, but I'm experiencing it on two different, 100% |
| 15:01.05 | bjackman | separate machines, running different versions of KDE and different versions of Fedora. Could anyone suggest where I should go? Submit a bug report? |
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| 15:01.31 | bjackman | ps. besides adding quick-launch icons for Amarok, Firefox and Dolphin my panel is exactly as in the default Fedora KDE spin install |
| 15:01.41 | bjackman | (version 17) |
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| 15:03.28 | Sho_ | nickyc: nope, sorry |
| 15:03.47 | Sho_ | nickyc: i could probably find out, but i'm at work right now |
| 15:03.52 | Sho_ | maybe another time |
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| 15:27.48 | bjackman | to my previous question regarding plasma panel, I've got an answer from rdieter in #fedora-kde, it's a known bug caused by the Blur effect with NVidia drivers (inc. nouveau). Just in case you were interested! |
| 15:28.49 | rdieter | bjackman: did you confirm that enabling DE but with blur effect off, it's happier? |
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| 15:30.00 | rdieter | it may only be nouveau, my comments about nvidia's driver was unrelated to blur |
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| 15:38.35 | bjackman | rdieter: yeap, the problem appears to be solved. Thank you. I've posted it on fedoraforums.org as well, just in the hope that anyone else with the problem will come across it on Google |
| 15:38.52 | rdieter | bjackman: cool, thanks |
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| 15:53.12 | erjk | Hi. SOmebody knows how to install OSS4 on KDE? I did that and it plays alright when I use VLC or osstest, but no sounds in KDE. No audio devices in Phonon. |
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| 15:53.27 | ozzzy | what's OSS4 |
| 15:54.56 | erjk | Sound driver |
| 15:55.46 | erjk | I've read it';s better than ALSA. And I had problems with ALSA that I was trying to fix |
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| 16:01.57 | rdieter | erjk: so phonon uses "backends", the 2 best, and supported ones right now include gstreamer and vlc. |
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| 16:02.38 | rdieter | erjk: the idea is to get the backend (be that gstreamer or vlc) to talk to OSS4, |
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| 16:03.48 | erjk | rdieter, AS far as I know I can only use VLC. WHen I tried to install phonon-backend-gstreamer aptitude wanted to remove oss4-base, beucase alsa-base is in it's dependecies. SO I have phonon-backend-vlc. |
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| 16:04.16 | erjk | rdieter, Do you know how to configure vlc backend? |
| 16:04.19 | rdieter | ok. the the vlc application itself work? |
| 16:04.23 | rdieter | does the ... |
| 16:04.44 | rdieter | if works, then phonon-vlc likely will too |
| 16:04.45 | erjk | I configured it manually and it does. It plays audio alright. |
| 16:05.15 | erjk | But I have phonon-backend-vlc and still phonon doesn't see any audio devices. |
| 16:05.42 | erjk | I have just read that I should remove pulseaudio, and so I removed pulseaudio-base. Maybe that will help. |
| 16:06.16 | rdieter | maybe, usually you want PA these days, but maybe oss4 and pa don't work together |
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| 16:11.29 | erjk | rdieter, After pulseaudio removal, I restarted my PC and now I have sound, but it's breaking the whole time (it plays for 1/10 of a second, then it pause for a while, plays, pauses...). |
| 16:12.15 | erjk | rdieter, In Phonon now I have 3 devices: Default, Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero sample (capture), PulseAudio Sound Server |
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| 16:12.58 | skreech__ | Anyone knows how to pull links from a page with kget? |
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| 16:29.05 | Justice | how do i disable kpart for few sites? |
| 16:29.13 | Justice | it fails sometimes verry hard to do its stuff |
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| 16:32.53 | Daskreech | Justice: where? |
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| 16:35.13 | Justice | Daskreech, there is a site called Dotlan that have svg maps of a game |
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| 16:35.25 | Justice | issue is the svg rendering from kpart is messing it upp way way |
| 16:35.37 | Daskreech | what's rendering it? |
| 16:35.40 | Daskreech | Gwenview? |
| 16:35.47 | Justice | and I cannot find a way to use just the browser. |
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| 16:35.53 | Justice | no idea how can i find out what uses it |
| 16:35.56 | Daskreech | That's with rekonq? |
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| 16:36.03 | Justice | chromium |
| 16:36.17 | Daskreech | chromium doesn't use kparts |
| 16:36.22 | Daskreech | URL? |
| 16:36.45 | Justice | http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Delve/K-6K16 |
| 16:36.50 | Justice | for example that one |
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| 16:38.12 | Daskreech | Works here |
| 16:38.20 | Justice | Daskreech, all with system names etc? |
| 16:38.28 | Daskreech | seems so |
| 16:38.40 | Justice | for me i just get the drawings but no text at all |
| 16:38.51 | Daskreech | what version of chromium? |
| 16:39.08 | Daskreech | 18.0.1025 here |
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| 16:39.34 | Justice | Daskreech, this is how it looks for me https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2137335/error.png |
| 16:39.49 | Justice | Version 21.0.1180.89 |
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| 16:40.53 | Daskreech | Erk |
| 16:40.56 | Daskreech | Try rekonq? |
| 16:41.01 | Daskreech | it works in both here |
| 16:41.27 | Justice | i dont have even rekonq installed. |
| 16:41.40 | Justice | isnt there a way to block kparts for a site or just disable it when it ask? |
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| 16:42.22 | Justice | because it asks me what part i want to use since i have not chosen a default one, but if i press cancel it will just use svg plugin and fail. |
| 16:42.41 | Justice | only solution i see is just to remove kpart ;/ |
| 16:42.50 | Daskreech | Weird. I guess someone put in Kparts in Chromium |
| 16:43.04 | Daskreech | Justice: Can You try pull down the svg and see what opens it? Should be gwenview |
| 16:43.16 | Daskreech | Or click open in program |
| 16:43.18 | Justice | pinta opens when i use the open in program |
| 16:43.28 | Justice | but i have gwenview installed aswell |
| 16:43.38 | Justice | thing is pinta opens the svg correclty |
| 16:44.12 | Justice | but the map thing is something i really want only in browser since it's allot easyer than have svgs full of 50.000 star systems :3 |
| 16:44.15 | Daskreech | Right but that's not your problem |
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| 16:44.50 | Daskreech | I know but if it's opening in a kpart (which it shouldn't be) and the kpart can't handle svgs (Which it should) then that needs to be fixed |
| 16:44.59 | Justice | my problem is that i want the browser to handle that part atm not kpart =) |
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| 16:45.56 | Daskreech | Justice: well far as I know Chromium isn't supposed to be using kparts so not sure. Ask in #chromium ? |
| 16:47.10 | Justice | Daskreech, its a kpartsplugin |
| 16:47.32 | Daskreech | Justice: disable that then |
| 16:47.32 | Justice | Kpartsplugin "This plugin uses KDE's KParts to embed file viewers into non-KDE browsers" |
| 16:48.29 | Justice | i could just remove it and return but the thing is i like how it works on other stuff :/ |
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| 16:49.16 | Daskreech | ha ha :) |
| 16:50.10 | Daskreech | Well I'd say speak with #chromium and see where that leads you if it's being handled by a kpart and it's not being handled correctly then point it to something that works properly |
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| 16:50.39 | Justice | hm |
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| 16:51.44 | Daskreech | I'd look in the default applications to see what is handling svg and try open the svg in that to see if that's the rendering you get |
| 16:52.02 | Justice | hm true |
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| 16:52.55 | Justice | hm its pinta as default |
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| 16:53.20 | Daskreech | Pinta is dotnet isn't it? |
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| 16:53.26 | Justice | yea |
| 16:53.35 | Daskreech | what's the first KDE application? |
| 16:53.54 | Justice | changed default now to kde |
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| 16:53.59 | Justice | gwenview |
| 16:54.58 | Justice | hm same issue |
| 16:55.05 | Daskreech | ok try open the svg itself in gwenview and see if that opens it correctly |
| 16:55.07 | Justice | seems like the best way is just to disable svg in kparts |
| 16:55.16 | Daskreech | in standalone gwenview? |
| 16:55.32 | Justice | oh seems like gwenview cannot open svgs |
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| 16:57.31 | Justice | am i missing something for it? |
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| 16:57.59 | Justice | kolourpaint also got issues (kde aswell ) |
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| 16:59.23 | Daskreech | hmm let me try |
| 16:59.49 | Justice | there we go just disable svgs for kparts so now it renders it on the browser. |
| 17:00.02 | Justice | but that gwenview and other kde applications got issues with svgs is weird |
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| 17:00.28 | Justice | Pinta and Gimp opend it without any issues. |
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| 17:02.33 | Daskreech | Yep. It's screwed up there |
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| 17:02.59 | Daskreech | Not sure how you'd disable the kpart just for svg. never tried that before |
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| 17:03.13 | Daskreech | I'll submit the svg to gwenview for a bug |
| 17:03.59 | Justice | ok cool |
| 17:04.08 | Justice | um i got a kpartsplugin in the repo |
| 17:04.25 | Justice | launches a config window for everything it should handle, i just disabled svg in that. |
| 17:05.39 | Justice | Daskreech, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2137335/kpart.png |
| 17:06.10 | Daskreech | :-D |
| 17:06.18 | Daskreech | Does that work now? |
| 17:06.40 | Justice | yeah restarted browser now the browser itself is handling the svg thing |
| 17:07.10 | Justice | and showing it corectly |
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| 17:08.05 | Justice | these maps are huge in the game so downloading them or using an application is probably not the best choice :P |
| 17:10.21 | Justice | i love kwin options on windows. |
| 17:10.29 | Justice | keep below is freaking golden |
| 17:10.42 | Justice | or fullscreen option |
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| 17:16.28 | skreech_ | Justice: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307331 |
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| 17:20.35 | Justice | oh you got two accounts here |
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| 17:24.21 | Justice | skreech_, the same issue is on archliunx aswell. |
| 17:24.52 | Daskreech | Justice: If you like you can add that as a comment to the bug report |
| 17:25.18 | Daskreech | GreenEmber: transmission handles magnet links? |
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| 17:26.17 | GreenEmber | Daskreech: yes. it used to just fine when i ran ubuntu 10.04 |
| 17:26.23 | GreenEmber | but i havent been able to get it workign on kde |
| 17:26.29 | Daskreech | hmm ok |
| 17:27.01 | GreenEmber | any ideas? |
| 17:27.21 | GreenEmber | im awaiting a reply from #chromium |
| 17:28.59 | funfool | any ideas why desktop effects complain I need opengl to work? is been like this for months and now playing with it, is same on two funtoo and a gentoo using nvidia binary drivers, opengl is set, kernel matches, nothing wrong with opengl, only kde complains... |
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| 17:30.22 | Daskreech | what video card? |
| 17:30.30 | Daskreech | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:31.10 | funfool | I have a 8400 on this box and a 9400 on the other |
| 17:31.34 | funfool | thanks for tip on kwin |
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| 17:32.27 | Daskreech | GreenEmber: http://askubuntu.com/questions/44849/how-to-configure-chrome-to-open-magnet-urls-with-deluge |
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| 17:34.05 | Peace- | letme say that krunner is not easy to use |
| 17:34.20 | Peace- | i lost time searching how to search videos with krunner |
| 17:34.27 | Peace- | until i have read a blog |
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| 17:34.37 | Peace- | videos mystuff |
| 17:34.43 | Peace- | and not youtube mystuff |
| 17:34.46 | Peace- | -.....- |
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| 17:38.37 | Daskreech | Peace-: agreed. I thought it would be easy to have a doc standard that gives a format for the search string to use |
| 17:38.57 | joancreus | hmm i'm developing a utility which will create an executable out of html+css+javascript & c++ javascript interfaces using qt's qwebview. (one file, everything included inside it). right now (well, not yet, but soon) it creates a qt application. would it be interesting for kde to use kdeapplication instead of qt, thus allowing to create hybrid-html5 applications for kde? or does kde prefer... |
| 17:38.59 | joancreus | ...c++-only stuff? |
| 17:39.00 | Daskreech | Granted I know most of them but still it's not obvious even if you know where to look |
| 17:39.08 | Daskreech | (without grepping the source code) |
| 17:39.23 | Peace- | Daskreech: well you need to do wiki stuff SPACE |
| 17:39.32 | Peace- | Because withoutspace |
| 17:39.38 | Peace- | you can't get it |
| 17:39.42 | Peace- | this is not good |
| 17:40.01 | Daskreech | joancreus: I would say that it would accept it fine but #kde-devel might be a better spot to inquire on that |
| 17:40.19 | joancreus | oh, didn't know there was a dev channel |
| 17:40.20 | joancreus | ok |
| 17:41.35 | Daskreech | Peace-: sounds like a bug. |
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| 17:42.21 | Peace- | Daskreech: are you able to search with google ? |
| 17:42.25 | Peace- | Daskreech: wtf i can't |
| 17:42.29 | Peace- | gg: stuff |
| 17:42.31 | Peace- | doesn't work here |
| 17:43.04 | GreenEmber | ugh |
| 17:43.09 | GreenEmber | the taskbar is frozen |
| 17:43.17 | GreenEmber | so now i cant logout |
| 17:43.25 | Peace- | GreenEmber: alt f2 |
| 17:43.30 | GreenEmber | nothing |
| 17:43.47 | Peace- | GreenEmber: have you some docs you need to save ? |
| 17:43.55 | Peace- | or you could do thsi |
| 17:44.09 | GreenEmber | not really no |
| 17:44.24 | Peace- | crtl alt f9 => login via terminal => then run pkill plasma-* |
| 17:44.37 | Peace- | GreenEmber: not sure btw |
| 17:44.38 | GreenEmber | im already in a terminal cant i just run it from there? |
| 17:44.50 | Peace- | GreenEmber: if you are int he terminal do this |
| 17:45.13 | Peace- | pkill plasma-* ; plasma-desktop |
| 17:45.27 | Daskreech | GreenEmber: kquitapp plasma-desktop |
| 17:45.33 | Peace- | i love kill |
| 17:45.35 | Peace- | lol |
| 17:45.41 | GreenEmber | DIE DIE DIE |
| 17:45.49 | Daskreech | Peace-: try kquitapp that's a little more graceful :) |
| 17:46.09 | Peace- | no no quit is not nice kill is better :P |
| 17:46.23 | GreenEmber | quit doesnt work |
| 17:46.28 | Daskreech | kill |
| 17:46.29 | GreenEmber | kill made it die but its still frozen up |
| 17:46.38 | GreenEmber | when it came back |
| 17:46.39 | Peace- | pkill -9 |
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| 17:47.15 | Peace- | pkill -9 plasma-* ; pkill kwin ; kwin --replace ; plasma-desktop |
| 17:47.23 | Peace- | pkill -9 plasma-* ; pkill -9 kwin ; kwin --replace ; plasma-desktop |
| 17:47.42 | Peace- | killall * |
| 17:47.54 | GreenEmber | whats it doing? |
| 17:48.03 | Peace- | pkill -9 plasma-* ; pkill -9 kwin ; kwin --replace ; plasma-desktop thsi ? |
| 17:48.07 | GreenEmber | it printed out a bunch of graphics card info |
| 17:48.08 | GreenEmber | yeah |
| 17:48.14 | GreenEmber | and then it stopped |
| 17:48.22 | Peace- | kill plasma and kwin and restart them |
| 17:48.34 | GreenEmber | i think im just gonna restart the machine |
| 17:48.39 | Peace- | lol |
| 17:48.43 | GreenEmber | it said it needed a reboot for updates anyhow... |
| 17:48.58 | GreenEmber | it may be a windows solution but it works nicely :P |
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| 17:55.29 | Daskreech | Yeah sounds like kubuntu :) |
| 17:56.16 | funfool | Daskreech, :0 |
| 17:58.13 | Peace- | Daskreech: i use kubuntu ... but i don't reboot :) |
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| 18:02.35 | Daskreech | Peace-: Yes me either but Ubuntu scripts will prompt to update anytime a core lib like libc or the kernel gets updated |
| 18:03.25 | funfool | kernel update is good to reboot ;) |
| 18:04.10 | Moviuro | funfool: the only reason to reboot :) |
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| 18:05.27 | funfool | Daskreech, I am pounding on #gentoo-kde also .... wondering why opengl is not working .... just weird |
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| 18:06.09 | Daskreech | Yeah which is why it prompts. It's easy to reboot for lots of other stuff as well plus it clears RAM blah blah so rather than doing 10 different instructions for different things it just goes oh this things was updated. You should probably reboot |
| 18:06.29 | Daskreech | funfool: #kwin is kwiet? |
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| 18:08.52 | funfool | Sometimes it easier to tell someone to reboot after switching video drivers on them, then to tell them the steps to unload the modules, reload the modules restart x ... just reboot :) |
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| 18:29.02 | testname1234543 | helloworld |
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| 18:29.33 | adrelanos | Hi, how can I create a desktop icon with a script? |
| 18:29.49 | lordievader | testname1234543: Serial.println("Hello World"); |
| 18:29.51 | adrelanos | Is the xdg-desktop-icon supported with KDE? |
| 18:30.20 | lordievader | adrelanos: What do you mean exactly? A desktop icon that executes a script? |
| 18:30.35 | Peace- | adrelanos: you can add yes with javascripts |
| 18:30.41 | adrelanos | Yes. |
| 18:30.51 | Peace- | ah ok |
| 18:30.59 | adrelanos | lordievader: I want to create a desktop icon within a shell script. |
| 18:31.09 | Peace- | adrelanos: open dolphin |
| 18:31.14 | adrelanos | #!/bin/bash .... xdg-desktop-icon... |
| 18:31.32 | lordievader | adrelanos: Ah hmm, I thought the other way around. |
| 18:31.36 | adrelanos | With dolphin it's easy. But I want to script it. |
| 18:31.46 | Peace- | adrelanos: so... |
| 18:32.05 | Peace- | adrelanos: a icon it's a .desktop file |
| 18:32.15 | Peace- | adrelanos: so create the alucher with dolphin |
| 18:32.25 | Peace- | then when you have created you can open it with kate |
| 18:32.28 | Peace- | and then ... |
| 18:32.47 | Peace- | do echo "stuff you can see with kate " > file.desktop |
| 18:33.03 | adrelanos | I see. I try that again... |
| 18:33.19 | adrelanos | But the freedesktop.org standard is not inside kde? |
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| 18:35.42 | adrelanos | Peace-: I just tried it again.... Went to /home/user/.local/share/applications... There are a few icon files. |
| 18:35.46 | adrelanos | Copied one of them. |
| 18:35.58 | adrelanos | icon1.desktop copied to icon2.desktop |
| 18:36.04 | adrelanos | When I click on icon2.desktop it works. |
| 18:36.11 | adrelanos | But I don't see it on the desktop |
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| 18:36.59 | Peace- | adrelanos: because you are using plasma in the new way |
| 18:37.05 | Peace- | adrelanos: right cligk on the desktop |
| 18:37.08 | Peace- | adrelanos: desktop settings |
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| 18:37.55 | Peace- | adrelanos: layout => set like folderview |
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| 18:38.56 | Peace- | adrelanos: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/09/24/plasma-desktopSl7747.png |
| 18:39.00 | adrelanos | Is there no other way? |
| 18:39.29 | Peace- | adrelanos: you can add a folderview widget to your desktop |
| 18:39.30 | adrelanos | I mean, I am going to redistribute an application. |
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| 18:39.39 | adrelanos | And just want to create an icon on desktop. |
| 18:39.54 | Peace- | adrelanos: users can add to the desktop a folderview |
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| 18:40.05 | Peace- | adrelanos: and set liek folder desktop |
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| 18:40.25 | Peace- | so they will see the desktop file you have created ... in tht location user.local application |
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| 18:41.41 | Peace- | adrelanos: plasma was designed to be clean i mean the destkop |
| 18:41.52 | Peace- | adrelanos: users can switch to the folderview mode |
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| 18:41.54 | Peace- | if they like |
| 18:42.01 | adrelanos | ok |
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| 18:42.19 | Peace- | adrelanos: there is a way... btw |
| 18:42.19 | adrelanos | So I should perhaps create a start menu entry instead. |
| 18:42.26 | Peace- | adrelanos: yes... |
| 18:42.41 | Peace- | adrelanos: but this way means edit the plasma init file |
| 18:42.49 | Peace- | adrelanos: and it's not... easy |
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| 18:43.38 | Peace- | adrelanos: but maybe you can ask to plasma mail list |
| 18:44.11 | adrelanos | Yes, I may try this. I am on lists as well... |
| 18:44.12 | adrelanos | Is the xdg-desktop-menu tool supported by kde? |
| 18:44.27 | Peace- | adrelanos: i am not sure |
| 18:44.36 | Peace- | adrelanos: but it should |
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| 18:45.37 | adrelanos | I try... |
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| 19:10.11 | adrelanos | Peace-: the xdg-desktop-menu tool works, but I can't create a new category. |
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| 19:21.07 | rdieter | adrelanos: if you mean .desktop Categories= tag, those are predefined, you can't create your own, see http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html |
| 19:21.51 | rdieter | well, you *can* create your own, provided you use a X- prefix |
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| 19:28.48 | Marquel | thiago: wrt. audiocd-kio - which version of libvorbis are you using? |
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| 19:29.37 | Moviuro | hi all ! |
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| 19:31.25 | adrelanos | rdieter: Categories=X-mycat ? |
| 19:31.52 | rdieter | adrelanos: right |
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| 19:35.04 | Moviuro | I'm having some problems with m laptops, both running archlinux + KDE : when lid is closed, the system does not go to sleep, although it is written in the energy settings. Plus, it seems (if KDE is responsible for this) that the sector un/ plug is not detected. |
| 19:35.30 | Moviuro | (last KDE: 4.9.1) |
| 19:36.11 | thiago | Marquel: 1.3.3 |
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| 19:38.07 | Marquel | thiago: so am i. what i figured so far is that the vorbis.so sources do have a #ifdef HAVE_VORBIS - which is not set here. thus i do no longer wonder why it doesn't work - the code is compiled to nul. |
| 19:39.27 | adrelanos | rdieter: I tried that, but no new category is created. |
| 19:39.30 | Marquel | thiago: question is now - why? _flac.so does have the same switch, but its CMakeLists actually sets the necessary -D option. _vorbis.so CMakeLists.txt does not. |
| 19:39.45 | Marquel | (not same switch, similar switch) |
| 19:40.04 | rdieter | adrelanos: I think you may be making an assumption that self-defined categories map to different menus? |
| 19:40.42 | rdieter | DE's are free to map these categories to menu entries as they see fit |
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| 19:41.28 | rdieter | adrelanos: in particular, you can't decide "I want a menu folder called 'Foo'", if that's what you're looking for. |
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| 19:42.24 | rdieter | adrelanos: best practice is to find the registerred category (or 2) that match your app |
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| 19:42.57 | Marquel | thiago: does your pkg-config --cflags vorbis set such a flag or is it possible to come from somewhere else in kdemultimedia? |
| 19:43.29 | meznak | I'm stuck using Windows at work, but would really like some of kwin's window management tools (mostly 'present windows'). The KDE for Windows installer doesn't seem to include this feature. Is there a kwin for Win7 that I'm not seeing? |
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| 19:46.03 | rdieter | adrelanos: I take it back a little, I guess it is possible to create your own menus too, but that gets more complicated, further reading if you're interested, http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html |
| 19:46.33 | thiago | Marquel: no flag |
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| 19:48.02 | Marquel | thiago: which distro do you use (and which version of audiocd-kio)? |
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| 19:49.56 | adrelanos | i see |
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| 19:55.31 | thiago | Marquel: fedora 17, kio_audiocd compiled from sources |
| 19:55.44 | thiago | Marquel: straight off the KDE repositories, not from a release |
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| 19:57.16 | Marquel | thiago: head revision? would you mind looking for HAVE_VORBIS in your kio_audiocd sources? |
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| 19:58.21 | thiago | Marquel: audiocd-kio was compiled from v4.8.95-5-gb57bd8c |
| 19:58.41 | thiago | there are a bunch of HAVE_VORBIS in the sources |
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| 19:59.21 | Marquel | thiago: do you have a "add_definitions( "-DHAVE_VORBIS" )" in plugins/vorbis/CMakeLists.txt? |
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| 20:09.39 | Marquel | thiago: nvm. looked into it myself and found no difference... |
| 20:11.25 | Marquel | hrmpf. |
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| 20:12.32 | thiago | Marquel: no |
| 20:14.48 | Marquel | thiago: that is _very_ strange. |
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| 20:15.59 | Marquel | thiago: now i wonder where that flag comes from in your case and why it is missing in mine. |
| 20:16.29 | thiago | Marquel: can you give me the output of nm -D --defined in your audiocd_encoder_vorbis.so ? |
| 20:17.09 | thiago | wait |
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| 20:18.23 | thiago | Marquel: mine links to the vorbis libs, but it doesn't look like the plugin contains any code |
| 20:18.26 | thiago | so it's a red herring |
| 20:18.30 | thiago | it probably doesn't work |
| 20:19.14 | Marquel | thiago: mind trying? |
| 20:19.54 | Marquel | (maybe my compiler was wise enough to figure the uselessness of linking to libvorbis.so and that's why libvorbis doesn't show up in ldd) |
| 20:20.09 | thiago | trying what? |
| 20:20.23 | Marquel | thiago: try if your vorbis plugin actually works |
| 20:20.50 | thiago | Marquel: I can't. I don't have any audio CDs to try with. |
| 20:21.06 | Marquel | thiago: does it show up in your system settings? |
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| 20:21.41 | adrelanos | Where are the start menu entries stored? |
| 20:21.45 | thiago | does what show up? |
| 20:22.17 | thiago | adrelanos: $XDG_DATA_DIRS/share/applications:$XDG_DATA_HOME/share/applications |
| 20:22.28 | Marquel | thiago: does systemsettings->hardware->multimedia->audio cds show a tab for vorbis configuration? |
| 20:23.55 | thiago | Marquel: no tab for vorbis |
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| 20:24.09 | thiago | the Audio CD config is there, but nothing for vorbis |
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| 20:25.12 | Marquel | thiago: so you are suffering from the same problem... |
| 20:25.58 | thiago | yes |
| 20:26.04 | thiago | looks like the ioslave simply doesn't work |
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| 20:27.03 | Marquel | thiago: considering there's actually absolutely no code to execute in the ioslave's _vorbis.so, i'm not the least surprised... ;) |
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| 20:29.42 | Marquel | thiago: my approach would be to add - similar to the _flac.so - a line 'add_definitions( -DHAVE_VORBIS )' to the vorbis plugin's CMakeLists.txt |
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| 20:33.10 | Marquel | thiago: i'd file a bug report with it - would you agree to that? |
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| 20:35.25 | somekool | hello |
| 20:35.46 | somekool | I'm having trouble with all movie players to follow phonon settings |
| 20:36.34 | somekool | kaffeine, kmplayer, dragon, vlc, etc. I was using onboard stereo, I've been able to switch to hdmi once. but I can't switch back. standard kde sound output goes back to onboard audio now |
| 20:36.44 | somekool | this is very troublesome |
| 20:36.44 | thiago | Marquel: yes |
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| 20:56.56 | BluesKaj | somekool, do you have pavucontrol and pulseaudio installed ? |
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| 20:59.33 | oopepe | Hi, is it possible to define the height of the k-menu? Im using kde 4.9.1. |
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| 21:02.41 | Marquel | thiago: guess what: compiling audiocd-kio with -DHAVE_VORBIS and the _vorbis.so is indeed linked against libvorbis... |
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| 21:02.51 | Marquel | thiago: _and_ there's the ogg vorbis setup now :) |
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| 21:09.11 | Marquel | thiago: on a side-note to all of this: it seems the code itself is quite old and was copied from times when autotools were the build system of choice. obviously someone removed that add_definitions() from the CMakeLists.txt but neglected to also perform the necessary removal of #ifdef's from the sources... (which would probably be the better fix than to re-add the add_definitions() command...) |
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| 21:18.33 | pdkl | in general whats some polished kde distros? |
| 21:18.40 | pdkl | opensuse, kubuntu, and ? |
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| 21:18.54 | hein | i'm happy with fedora's offering myself |
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| 21:19.52 | hein | they're not commonly seen as a "kde distro", but they do have a kde cd and their kde team is experienced and competent |
| 21:19.56 | Phr33d0m | but that way you lose all the fun of making it uup to your taste |
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| 21:21.24 | pdkl | just want to find something good for my laptop |
| 21:22.29 | hein | i have fedora on my old ibook and on my tablet pc |
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| 21:22.42 | hein | (and on my desktop and on my home server) |
| 21:22.48 | hein | before i was on gentoo for seven years |
| 21:22.49 | pdkl | i have a newer laptop |
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| 21:24.07 | pdkl | wouldnt hurt to see if the live distro works? |
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| 21:24.37 | hein | pdkl: yeah, the fedora kde cd is actually combined live + installer |
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| 21:48.33 | Taoki | Hi. I need a little help with something. I'm trying to configure some screensaver to use for the lock screen. But apparently, all of them keep crashing my system |
| 21:48.57 | Taoki | When I move the mouse to see the unlock Window, it starts glitching, and I can't even unlock the system. Anyone know why this happens? |
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| 21:52.44 | Taoki | uh, great moment for a netsplit... I'll post again |
| 21:52.46 | Taoki | Hi. I need a little help with something. I'm trying to configure some screensaver to use for the lock screen. But apparently, all of them keep crashing my system |
| 21:52.47 | Taoki | When I move the mouse to see the unlock Window, it starts glitching, and I can't even unlock the system. Anyone know why this happens? |
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| 21:53.56 | Taoki | At least a failsafe command to cut the screensaver while in the lock screen so I can see the unlock window |
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| 22:03.30 | mark06 | this page says KDE was moving from KHTML to WebKit in 2007, https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/WebKit |
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| 22:05.49 | mark06 | Konqueror page in wikipedia says " Especially the WebKitPart that uses the KHTML-derived WebKit engine has seen a lot of support in the KDE 4 series" |
| 22:05.57 | mark4 | can anyone here splane to me why dragonplayer cannot play ANY video files at all where as mplayer2 can? |
| 22:05.59 | mark06 | can someon clarify |
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| 22:06.40 | mark4 | all i get is a solid white window with a gray area at the bottom |
| 22:06.44 | mark4 | no video, no audio |
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