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| 01:51.23 | diegoviola | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=306317 |
| 01:51.27 | diegoviola | anyone else having this issue? |
| 01:53.20 | diegoviola | broken opengl compositing with kde 4.9.1 and nouveau |
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| 03:54.25 | davenull | Good evening. Is this an appropriate place to ask about Amarok? |
| 03:55.26 | Sho_ | davenull: #amarok would probably be more effective given the audience bias, but here is fair game too, yes |
| 03:56.13 | davenull | Ok, I will ask there too, but the damned thing is using 100% of both cores on this desktop to add 12 folders with maybe 120 total songs. |
| 03:56.38 | davenull | And it happens pretty much every time I add my ~/Music folder. |
| 03:56.46 | Sho_ | strange ... bog-standard mp3 or ogg, or anything more obscure? |
| 03:57.54 | davenull | Pretty much all MP3 and a few FLAC files. |
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| 03:58.43 | Sho_ | davenull: i guess i'd try running it with --debug from a terminal, iirc the collection scanner dumps pretty verbose info |
| 03:58.51 | davenull | I just gave it a kill -9 and will do so. |
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| 04:02.05 | davenull | Ah. I am to blame. |
| 04:02.07 | davenull | :) |
| 04:02.37 | davenull | Apparently the Add Folder option in the Playlist menu is not what I thought it was. |
| 04:03.00 | Sho_ | heh |
| 04:03.29 | davenull | The amarokmediascanner process is still a resource hog. Dear lord. |
| 04:03.57 | davenull | Bringing a 2.6ghz Athlon dual core to its knees. |
| 04:04.19 | Sho_ | never really noticed it on my core2 duo |
| 04:04.47 | Sho_ | however my music folders are network-mounted on 100mbit ethernet so there's probably an i/o bottleneck |
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| 04:05.00 | davenull | Trus that. |
| 04:05.06 | davenull | true* |
| 04:05.29 | davenull | Hmmm. I guess I will just hang here for the hell of it now lol. |
| 04:05.29 | solifugus | Has something changed in recent versions of kde that disallow middle-mouse pasting? |
| 04:05.48 | davenull | solifugus: On Kubuntu 12.04 it works just fine for me. |
| 04:05.55 | davenull | Same on the Fedora box. |
| 04:06.03 | solifugus | in konsole.. |
| 04:06.22 | Sho_ | solifugus: that's not something KDE could change |
| 04:06.23 | solifugus | i don't think i've tried it anywhere else.. actually |
| 04:06.25 | Sho_ | so the answer is no |
| 04:06.44 | davenull | Isn't that an x11 thing? |
| 04:06.58 | solifugus | should be an x11 thing.. but not always apparently.. |
| 04:07.01 | diegoviola | anyone having compositing issues with 4.9.1? |
| 04:07.10 | Sho_ | still on .0 here |
| 04:07.20 | Sho_ | actually, i should run yum upgrade and check if .1 is out now ;) |
| 04:07.27 | solifugus | it used to not work when logged into my A2 hosting account through konsole.. |
| 04:07.45 | solifugus | now it borken in konsole on localhost... i wonder what it could be.. |
| 04:08.43 | solifugus | actually.. i think middle-click pasting is a window manager thing.. so maybe kwin |
| 04:08.55 | Sho_ | no, it's not |
| 04:09.57 | Sho_ | basically, x11 has three clipboards by default, referred to as selections in x11 parlance: PRIMARY, SECONDARY and CLIPBOARD |
| 04:10.12 | Sho_ | by convention toolkits and apps let gui actions and shortcuts operate on CLIPBOARD |
| 04:10.23 | Sho_ | and mouse selection and middleclick operate on PRIMARY |
| 04:11.03 | Sho_ | since applications usually reuse standard toolkit levels, that puts handling the middle-click and making it fetch from PRIMARY at the toolkit's door |
| 04:11.22 | Sho_ | however in the case of konsole's terminal display widget it's probably custom code inside konsole, using qt clipboard APIs |
| 04:11.27 | Sho_ | now, there's another snag |
| 04:11.41 | Sho_ | in x11, the application you copied from is responsible for handing over the data when you paste |
| 04:12.08 | Sho_ | that means that when you quit the source app before attempting to paste in the destination app, it won't work |
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| 04:12.16 | Sho_ | however, for that reason KDE ships Klipper |
| 04:12.39 | solifugus | Sho_, I think X11 is emulating the middle button instead of recognizing the real one.. |
| 04:12.41 | Sho_ | Klipper papers over this by watching for new copies, and then taking over the data so it itself becomes the new source app |
| 04:12.56 | Sho_ | so one scenario i could think of is that you recently stopped using klipper |
| 04:13.02 | solifugus | When I click right and left together, a dialog pops up asking what I want to do.. with paste as one option. |
| 04:13.03 | davenull | solifugus: Try clicking mouse 1 and two at the same time. |
| 04:13.06 | Sho_ | and now copy and paste behaves differently from what you are used to |
| 04:13.18 | davenull | He beat me. |
| 04:13.42 | solifugus | still.. it looks like kde is intercepting, though.. hence the dialog. |
| 04:15.16 | davenull | solifugus: Is it a different dialog that the normal alternate click? |
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| 04:20.58 | davenull | amarok: END__: virtual void ScannerJob::run() [DELAY Took (quite long) 1.4e+02s] |
| 04:21.06 | davenull | amarok: END__: virtual void ScannerJob::run() [DELAY Took (quite long) 1.4e+02s] |
| 04:21.51 | solifugus | davenull, ha.. it's the right-click menu.. so I guess middle click just isn't working.. |
| 04:22.03 | solifugus | i also tested in kwrite.. same.. |
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| 04:22.31 | solifugus | sad.. but whatever.. i guess i'll cope.. |
| 04:22.44 | davenull | BUgger, brb. |
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| 04:23.36 | solifugus | next linux install and i am leaving kubuntu... definitely going back to debian.... far less wierd borken things.. especially nvidia drivers.. |
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| 04:24.13 | davenull | KvIRC went wonky. |
| 04:24.27 | Sho_ | Konversation is nice ;) |
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| 04:25.03 | davenull | I have been a user of kvirc for years, I honestly feel like a retard using anything else lol. |
| 04:25.10 | davenull | Can't seem to make them work right. |
| 04:25.34 | Sho_ | I'm biased anyway (I maintain Konversation) |
| 04:25.42 | davenull | I switched to KDE from Gnome because of it. lol |
| 04:26.02 | Sho_ | for KVirc? |
| 04:26.08 | Sho_ | that's odd, it's not really a KDE app |
| 04:26.43 | davenull | Sho_: I use Konversation for every other chat task, but I am a network admin of an irc network. And it looks nicer with KDE decorations than gnome ;) |
| 04:26.49 | Sho_ | however, yay for the switch ;) |
| 04:26.52 | davenull | s/gnome/gtk/ |
| 04:28.02 | davenull | Gnome doesn't like to play nicely in a visual way with a few QT apps, while KDE makes GTK apps look wonderful. |
| 04:28.03 | Sho_ | actually gnome is correct there |
| 04:28.10 | Sho_ | since the window manager isn't part of gtk |
| 04:28.16 | davenull | Good point. |
| 04:28.49 | davenull | I think switching to Fedora also did me in. |
| 04:29.37 | Sho_ | that's what I'm using these days, too |
| 04:29.54 | davenull | My Gentoo machines never manage to get a desktop environment though... |
| 04:29.58 | davenull | lol |
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| 04:30.16 | Sho_ | heh, i was on gentoo for seven years before the switch to fedora |
| 04:30.44 | davenull | I still use it for my production servers. The shell network is running pure OG Debian mostly. |
| 04:31.30 | Sho_ | my web servers are on debian due to update lazyness |
| 04:31.38 | davenull | Exactly. |
| 04:32.47 | mosno | davenull, OG == "Original Gangster"? |
| 04:32.56 | davenull | mosno: Yep lol. |
| 04:32.59 | mosno | rofl |
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| 04:33.49 | davenull | Ubuntu server breaks some of the debian style, so I can't use it. Everything is slightly to the left. |
| 04:34.48 | davenull | So I wind up with a few rackmount servers running Gentoo, playing as KVM host to a bunch of Debian VMs. |
| 04:35.13 | Sho_ | we have a gentoo box using linux containers in production use in kde |
| 04:35.25 | davenull | And I wonder why it's been a week since I have left the house... |
| 04:35.33 | davenull | Sho_: Nice. |
| 04:35.44 | Sho_ | along with lots of debian and opensuse |
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| 04:35.52 | davenull | opensuse... |
| 04:36.04 | davenull | My first distro was SuSe. |
| 04:36.34 | mosno | S.u.S.E.* |
| 04:36.44 | davenull | mosno: Thank you :P |
| 04:36.54 | Sho_ | OG mosno |
| 04:36.59 | mosno | awww yeah |
| 04:37.00 | davenull | Those were dark days. |
| 04:37.37 | davenull | You guys are alright. My time in the Gnome channels made me want to drink paint thinner. |
| 04:38.33 | mosno | i'm waiting on an answer in #gnome |
| 04:38.39 | mosno | dead silence |
| 04:38.43 | Sho_ | davenull: heh, you're welcome |
| 04:38.49 | Sho_ | mosno: to be fair i think their main channel is on oftc? |
| 04:38.54 | mosno | yeah to be fair |
| 04:38.54 | Sho_ | or their own server, dunno |
| 04:38.59 | mosno | but i'm lazy |
| 04:39.09 | mosno | irc.gnome.org |
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| 04:39.31 | davenull | The gnome kids seem to have turned to meth in the last few years. |
| 04:39.54 | mosno | i wanna know if i can resize a snapped window |
| 04:40.12 | mosno | last time i checked (3.2) you can't |
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| 04:41.24 | Sho_ | i still haven't gotten around to trying gnome 3 |
| 04:41.40 | tertu | grandma knows best |
| 04:41.43 | tertu | so put it to rest |
| 04:42.02 | davenull | Sho_: I doubt I will. |
| 04:42.06 | Sho_ | i normally like to keep up with what the competition is up to, but i've been kind of spoiled in the VM era and can't be bothered to do the native install it needs |
| 04:42.19 | davenull | I wind up installing half the KDE quite on a gnome install as it is. |
| 04:42.22 | Sho_ | maybe once it runs reliably with llvmpipe |
| 04:42.36 | mosno | hmm, the official #gnome only has 3 more people in it than the freenode gnome |
| 04:42.49 | mosno | gnome3 in a vm kinda sucks |
| 04:43.18 | davenull | I'd rather use lxde. |
| 04:43.39 | mosno | i rather renounce all forms of computing devices and move to southeast asia |
| 04:43.45 | davenull | hahaha |
| 04:44.11 | Sho_ | well i'm under no risk of _switching_ to gnome (i'm a kde developer after all), but you know, never hurts to get exposed to other's ideas |
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| 04:45.36 | mosno | there's some things where gnome definitely beats kde |
| 04:45.53 | mosno | eg. trackpad two finger scrolling support |
| 04:46.03 | Sho_ | i've got that in kde via twofing |
| 04:46.04 | davenull | But konsole makes up for most of those. |
| 04:46.18 | Sho_ | anyway, qt5 should catch us up in all sorts of ways on the touch front :) |
| 04:46.27 | mosno | compare the KDE control panel to the GNOME control panel for touchpad |
| 04:46.28 | Sho_ | davenull: i'm partial to yakuake |
| 04:46.34 | davenull | Sho_: I use both ;) |
| 04:46.47 | mosno | not sure what twofing is but KDE should really do it OOTB |
| 04:46.48 | davenull | And I change the trigger to ctrl+` |
| 04:46.54 | mosno | not that i've tried KDE since 4.6 |
| 04:47.30 | Sho_ | davenull: I use Ctrl + the key to the left of 1 |
| 04:47.33 | davenull | Sho_: I love the monitor for silence option in konsole. |
| 04:47.41 | mosno | also the feel of the GNOME 3 status icons (volume, network) is really nice.. the way you can click one open then hover to the next one and the next one automatically opens instead of having the click again |
| 04:47.54 | davenull | Sho_: That's what I use, exactly. :) |
| 04:47.56 | Sho_ | davenull: i actually added that to yakuake recently (after addign the stuff to the konsole kpart that i needed to access it in yakuake) |
| 04:48.09 | Sho_ | davenull: ah, that key is ^/° on a german keyboard |
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| 04:48.27 | davenull | Sho_: Well hell, I so need that to be a part of yakuake proper. |
| 04:48.52 | davenull | Then I would never have to open konsole. |
| 04:48.53 | Sho_ | davenull: it's in git |
| 04:49.00 | Sho_ | i need to make a new release :) |
| 04:49.07 | davenull | Yes, yes you do. |
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| 04:51.06 | mosno | the last annoying thing about kde is that mechanism that makes GTK apps look like Qt is rather bad |
| 04:51.35 | mosno | no wait, one more annoying thing -- apps seem to crash more than their GTK counterparts |
| 04:51.38 | mosno | now i'm done :P |
| 04:51.50 | Sho_ | actually the GTK+ port of the Oxygen style engine is very likely the best and most sophisticated style engine for GTK |
| 04:52.03 | mosno | i found that it made firefox super ugly |
| 04:52.13 | mosno | i don't have the install around so i can't post screenshots unforunately |
| 04:52.17 | Sho_ | works just fine here - that said, firefox is not a gtk app |
| 04:52.28 | mosno | it maps to gtk |
| 04:52.33 | mosno | at least it used to |
| 04:52.35 | Sho_ | nope |
| 04:52.41 | mosno | i use chromium these day |
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| 04:52.48 | mosno | Sho_, what is it then? don't say XUL |
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| 04:52.54 | Sho_ | it uses its own toolkit with its own widgets, it just calls into gtk to render ui primitives into pixmaps and then blits that itself |
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| 04:53.14 | Sho_ | that makes its gtk support exceedingly poor, in particular it doesn't support all of the widget states etc |
| 04:53.19 | mosno | hmm |
| 04:53.23 | mosno | good thing i don't use it ;) |
| 04:53.32 | mosno | poor mozilla |
| 04:53.41 | mosno | i even held out for longer than most |
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| 04:54.34 | Sho_ | it's frustrating because our gtk port of oxygen is really very complete, it has feature parity with the qt version |
| 04:54.46 | Sho_ | e.g. for example it has all of the state transition animations of the qt version |
| 04:54.48 | mosno | howcome it works so nice in GNOME/Xfce? |
| 04:54.56 | mosno | ie. their themes apply |
| 04:54.58 | Sho_ | the hover and focus glows on things animate in, that sort of thing |
| 04:55.02 | Sho_ | and none of that can work in firefox |
| 04:55.20 | davenull | mosno: Actually, I don't think I have ever used konversation. I was thinking kopete. |
| 04:55.32 | mosno | davenull, huh? |
| 04:55.50 | davenull | Wrong hilight, that was to Sho_. Sorry. |
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| 04:56.04 | Sho_ | mosno: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/09/06/plasma-desktopwv1293.png for reference |
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| 04:56.38 | Sho_ | davenull: oh yeah, Kopete is an IM client, Konversation is IRC |
| 04:56.39 | mosno | looks ok.. |
| 04:56.52 | davenull | Sho_: And a davenull is a tired. |
| 04:57.02 | Sho_ | mosno: you'll notice that the window background lacks the radial and vertical gradient oxygen normally has |
| 04:57.10 | Sho_ | that's also a firefox limitation |
| 04:57.15 | Sho_ | native gtk apps have it |
| 04:57.27 | mosno | how's chromium look? |
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| 04:58.18 | Sho_ | mosno: not installed, sorry |
| 04:58.32 | mosno | Sho_, what distro are you on? |
| 04:58.39 | Sho_ | mosno: Fedora |
| 04:58.43 | Sho_ | yes, i know they have a repo |
| 04:58.53 | mosno | rawhide? |
| 04:59.04 | Sho_ | no, 17 + updates-testing |
| 04:59.18 | Sho_ | mosno: this is the same app in qt, gtk2 and gtk3: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ezze7Ar8OQ4/TaRaTjLLh5I/AAAAAAAAAkc/cU1uZDq1WxM/s1600/oxygen-gtk-demo.png |
| 04:59.27 | mosno | i'm on Arch at the moment |
| 04:59.36 | mosno | am considering installing KDE for the lulz |
| 04:59.39 | mosno | currently using Xfce |
| 04:59.42 | Sho_ | (well not really the same app since one is qt and one is gtk, but you get what i mean) |
| 05:00.07 | mosno | but i'm a longtime KDE (well, every Linux desktop -- i move around) user |
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| 05:00.19 | mosno | looks good |
| 05:01.18 | mosno | oh, and i always found gdm to be somewhat nicer from a UX perspective than kdm... perhaps that whole start-typing-to-select-username thing |
| 05:01.37 | davenull | I just wish emacs was a little less wonky in KDE. |
| 05:01.40 | mosno | eg. type m-o-s and my name gets highlighted in the username list |
| 05:01.52 | mosno | or even just m if there's no other usernames starting with m |
| 05:01.56 | mosno | afaik kdm doesn't do that |
| 05:02.00 | Sho_ | dunno |
| 05:02.07 | Sho_ | i can't say i spend a lot of time logging in |
| 05:02.10 | mosno | hehe |
| 05:02.13 | mosno | it's always a trade off for me |
| 05:02.27 | mosno | gnome does some things nice, kde others, ... and on and on |
| 05:03.27 | davenull | It sure beats OS X no matter which one I use. |
| 05:04.24 | davenull | I am off to bed for the night, thanks for the attempted assistance, and the convo. |
| 05:04.36 | Sho_ | sleep tight davenull |
| 05:04.43 | Sho_ | and try Konversation some time ;) |
| 05:05.21 | davenull | Will do. ;) I actually installed it and got it all setup. I deeply love the kvirc nick coloring though, and scripting. |
| 05:05.49 | Sho_ | what's special about its nick coloring? |
| 05:06.51 | davenull | You are green background, dark blue text. mosno is purple text black back, and I am white over red. Those will never change. |
| 05:07.14 | davenull | It uses a hash of the nick to choose the colors I believe. |
| 05:07.15 | Sho_ | konvi doesn't use bgcolor for nick coloring, but its algorithm assigns colors stably as well |
| 05:08.37 | davenull | Sho_: After 5 years in my irc channel, I know who is talking based on the nick hilight. It's a crutch, but I can be on the other side of the room and know who is talking even when I can't read it. |
| 05:08.52 | Sho_ | aye |
| 05:08.59 | davenull | It's one of those things... |
| 05:09.16 | davenull | You have a pretty client though. It seems to be quit well built. |
| 05:09.34 | Sho_ | thanks |
| 05:10.25 | davenull | Sho_: Oh, but I really do like the konsole tab :D |
| 05:11.37 | davenull | out |
| 05:11.51 | Sho_ | davenull: heh. that was added on request of some people who like to keep their MUD client with their IRC. |
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| 05:12.17 | davenull | Sho_: I like to compile kernels while I IRC, so its a win. |
| 05:12.29 | Sho_ | ;) |
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| 05:52.11 | pehden | nvm i was answered in arch thanks anyway |
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| 06:38.15 | ctx144k_ | hello all - anyone knows how to disable moving/resizing window with fill screen under kde4.8? i want only see borders while moving/resizing window |
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| 06:40.32 | Sho_ | ctx144k_: system settings -> desktp effects -> enable "resize widow", then click the wrench and uncheck "scale window" but keep "show outline" checked |
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| 07:04.56 | ctx144k_ | Sho_, thx |
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| 07:09.39 | KiwiCam | Hi. What is the purpose of Machime (hostname) function uner Window Matching? How could I make use if it? Thanks. |
| 07:10.37 | thiago | it matches the hostname that the window is coming from |
| 07:10.45 | thiago | for most windows, that's your machine's hostnam |
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| 07:14.03 | KiwiCam | So, if I was using a Virtualbox Guest in Seamless mode, would that be considered another Hostname? |
| 07:14.15 | thiago | I have no clue, I've never tried that |
| 07:14.20 | thiago | possibly |
| 07:14.33 | thiago | it's meant for remote X windows, such as when you ssh into other machines |
| 07:14.44 | KiwiCam | SSH -X? |
| 07:14.47 | thiago | yes |
| 07:14.49 | KiwiCam | X-forwarding? |
| 07:14.51 | KiwiCam | OK |
| 07:14.51 | thiago | yes |
| 07:15.09 | KiwiCam | That's good to know. |
| 07:15.19 | KiwiCam | Thank you. |
| 07:15.36 | thiago | for the Seamless mode, it really depends on how it's implemented |
| 07:16.00 | KiwiCam | I might give that a try this weekend. I can report back if you're interested. |
| 07:17.05 | KiwiCam | That function will come in very handy for me if I can get it to work with both. |
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| 09:01.29 | timahvo1 | Hi everyone using Kopete version 4.9.1-1 on archlinux and just noticed I have lost gtalk and yahoo chat accounts with no option to add them in the configure accounts menu |
| 09:01.41 | thiago | that means the plugins are missing |
| 09:02.41 | timahvo1 | thiago: don't remember ever having to add plugins for the two . How do I go about doing that ? |
| 09:03.00 | thiago | they're part of your distribution |
| 09:03.10 | thiago | somehow those plugins are either missing or can't be loaded |
| 09:04.13 | vbgunz | other than kickoff, lancelot and the classic menu, is there another promising start menu out there? |
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| 09:10.07 | vbgunz | hm, I found appmenu qml |
| 09:10.14 | vbgunz | seems a bit more promising |
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| 09:15.23 | hateball | vbgunz: What's wrong with krunner? :) |
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| 09:17.45 | vbgunz | it doesn't show me what I forgot the names of, the gems I still haven't found on the system and pressing that question mark burns a question mark right into the brain. it's cool and I use it sometimes but not what I am looking for in a start menu :( |
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| 09:20.47 | hateball | hmm ok |
| 09:21.38 | hateball | You dont actually need to know the full names of the apps tho ;p |
| 09:21.52 | hateball | But to each their own :) |
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| 09:26.23 | vbgunz | this qml appmenu is really sparking my interest. I am familiar with python but looking for how to marry the two feels like trying to decrypt a 1000 year old black art myth |
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| 09:31.11 | hateball | Arent most things computer related some form of black magic |
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| 09:37.04 | vbgunz | yeah, but this is very interesting, already installed qt-creator and playing with the tutorial |
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| 09:55.19 | doomsday | im using kde on arch linux on virtual box |
| 09:55.27 | doomsday | 3d rendering |
| 09:55.48 | doomsday | is enabled but still desktop effects could not be enabled |
| 09:55.51 | doomsday | plz help me out |
| 09:56.08 | Sho_ | vm 3d isn't very good |
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| 09:56.18 | Sho_ | try using xrender compositing instead |
| 09:56.37 | doomsday | ok @Sho_ how do i use xrender?? |
| 09:56.49 | Sho_ | in the desktop effects setting on the advanced tab |
| 09:56.53 | muep | it would also likely be just nice enough to use without effects at all |
| 09:56.54 | Sho_ | where it currently probably says opengl |
| 09:56.57 | Sho_ | switch to xrender |
| 09:58.01 | doomsday | ok how to check opengl renderer?? |
| 09:58.18 | Sho_ | that probably won't work in virtualbox |
| 09:58.59 | doomsday | @Sho_ im already using xrender |
| 09:59.02 | doomsday | suggest something else |
| 09:59.14 | doomsday | ok is it impossible in virtual box?? |
| 09:59.23 | Sho_ | sorry, no idea why xrender wouldn't work at least |
| 10:00.25 | doomsday | ok thanku for your indulgence |
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| 10:34.05 | bananacar | why is koffice.org down? |
| 10:35.09 | Jucato | bananacar: http://www.calligra.org/ |
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| 10:38.53 | mosno | can i re-enable miller columns in dolphin? |
| 10:39.56 | Jucato | miller? |
| 10:40.36 | mosno | the OS X style multi-column view |
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| 10:43.48 | Jucato | wow, didn't even notice it was gone. sorry no idea |
| 10:44.16 | mosno | yeah, i'm shocked |
| 10:44.53 | mosno | otoh, it was a bit cumbersome to use with the keyboard compared to Finder |
| 10:45.02 | Moult | mosno: when did i get removed? perhaps when they did the file viewer during dolphin 2? |
| 10:45.05 | mosno | i was mainly hoping to enable it and see if it had improved |
| 10:45.31 | mosno | Moult: no idea, last time i used KDE was in 4.6 |
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| 10:52.08 | hateball | mosno: by multi column, do you mean split view? |
| 10:52.18 | hateball | like two folders next to each other in a split window |
| 10:52.22 | mosno | hateball: no |
| 10:52.49 | hateball | has no experience with OS X |
| 10:53.36 | mosno | how do i make kde stop doing animations/effects when i alt-tab to walk through windows? i've already disabled Translucency in All Effects |
| 10:53.47 | Jucato | hateball: it means when a folder is opened, it is opened in a new column beside it. when a folder in that column is opened, a new column is created, etc. |
| 10:53.57 | hateball | Jucato: ah |
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| 10:54.01 | mosno | i'm trying to speed up the alt-tab operation but i don't want to disable compositing |
| 10:54.36 | hateball | mosno: it's under desktop effects |
| 10:54.41 | Moult | mosno: disable the window management effects in deskto peffects |
| 10:55.19 | hateball | I'm running swedish gui so not sure of the translation, "flip selection" or something |
| 10:55.31 | mosno | Moult: that doesn't do it |
| 10:55.36 | Moult | mosno: also check out "window behavior" in system settings, see the "task switcher" tab. |
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| 10:56.51 | mosno | Moult: that was it... untick "show selected window" |
| 10:57.18 | mosno | aah sanity :) |
| 10:58.14 | hateball | ah you meant that :) |
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| 10:58.28 | hateball | KDE has over 9000 options |
| 10:59.05 | mosno | basically i'm trying to NOT disable true terminal transparency :) |
| 10:59.30 | mosno | but turn most other things off because they make my system feel like Vista |
| 10:59.53 | hateball | hehe |
| 11:00.08 | mosno | even that weird delay on teh blue glow of the active window is annoying |
| 11:00.15 | mosno | the window switches but the glow lags |
| 11:00.22 | Moult | mosno: oh, you should've enabled KDE Home Premium Non-Vista X Limited Edition |
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| 11:01.05 | mosno | seems like i got the Push My Limits edition |
| 11:01.26 | hateball | the blue glow is the first thing that goes on a new install, for me |
| 11:01.31 | mosno | how do you turn that one off |
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| 11:01.39 | mosno | it looks sexy i just hate the lag |
| 11:01.57 | mosno | i wonder if it is KDE's implementation or my hardware |
| 11:02.11 | mosno | Xfce and GNOME seemed to have somewhat quicker composited effects for the most part |
| 11:02.15 | Moult | mosno: you might like to turn these off to prevent it seeming like lag |
| 11:02.19 | mosno | except for GNOME's activities window |
| 11:02.30 | hateball | mosno: window decorations -> customize your theme |
| 11:02.32 | mosno | can you make the glow instantly appear instead of fading? |
| 11:02.45 | Moult | mosno: application appearance -> applicaiton -> widget sytle -> configure -> uncheck enable animations |
| 11:03.09 | mosno | oh jesus |
| 11:03.11 | mosno | kwin crash |
| 11:03.19 | hateball | if set advanced options there's a 150ms for some things... but I dunno if that effects the glow effect |
| 11:03.22 | Jucato | also hints at Alt+F2, "oxygen-settings" |
| 11:03.27 | mosno | note my comment hours ago about kde stuff crashing more than gtk stuff |
| 11:04.00 | Moult | mosno: also window decorations -> configure decorations -> disable animations |
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| 11:04.26 | mosno | how do i disable the fade when i alt-tab? |
| 11:04.36 | mosno | not of actual windows but of the alt-tab UI popup thingy |
| 11:04.44 | mosno | it sort of fades in very quicky |
| 11:05.15 | mosno | one moment, i think i need a breather |
| 11:05.30 | mosno | starting to get panicky about my UI lol |
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| 11:08.39 | mosno | sorry :) |
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| 11:41.49 | rindolf | porton: kate ftp://.... |
| 11:42.01 | rindolf | porton: you need the FTP KIOSlave. |
| 11:42.52 | porton | rindolf: Can it be made more visual, without typing a full URL for every file to open? |
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| 12:11.52 | dp | Hi, I'm having this same problem: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=101249 unfortunately, I don't have anything in ~/.local/share/mime, and chromium is set as my default app for text/html |
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| 13:07.03 | dp | if I change my default browser to firefox, it works properly. if I change it back to chromium, it fails |
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| 13:11.47 | dp | is no one here available to help me? |
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| 13:22.33 | arokux | hi guys, after update to 4.9 a click on Open menu item in okular takes 30 to open File Dialog |
| 13:23.06 | arokux | it is the same in other kde programs like kwrite |
| 13:23.19 | arokux | s/takes 30/takes 30 seconds |
| 13:23.42 | arokux | (I'm not using kde as a desktop.) |
| 13:23.52 | arokux | how can I debug this problem |
| 13:26.28 | arokux | if I run a kde program from the terminal, everything works fine!! |
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| 13:40.44 | arokux | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305188 this bug report was relevant. kiling all kded4 solved the problem. |
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| 13:52.06 | rdieter | likely some misbehaving kded4 plugin/service |
| 13:52.38 | rdieter | unforunately, that's difficult to debug (afaik) |
| 13:53.26 | arokux | hm.. now I have another problem, probably related. kile won't start if I run it through alt+f2 (i'm using LXDE) but everything is fine when running it from the terminal. |
| 13:53.49 | arokux | other apps run fine both from alt-f2 and terminal |
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| 13:57.52 | arokux | please resend me a message if you sent one. I was offline. |
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| 14:12.32 | arokux | after reboot kile starts from alt+f2 too....... |
| 14:13.18 | mosno | can i keep my panel transparent but somewhat darker tinted? if i don't have a light wallpaper the fonts are hard to read |
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| 14:14.01 | detrate | Is there a way for me to have a desktop span dual monitors instead of having them treated as separate monitors? |
| 14:14.10 | detrate | separate desktops rather* |
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| 14:17.20 | Mamarok | detrate: It does that by default, put them side by side |
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| 14:17.39 | Mamarok | you will just not have the panel on both |
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| 14:19.12 | detrate | Mamarok: that's not the behavior I want though, I want it to stretch across both, behave as one desktop |
| 14:19.34 | detrate | There are other implications, such as setting wallpaper and the desktop grid |
| 14:19.36 | Mamarok | well, it does, it is one desktop |
| 14:19.50 | detrate | It's behaving like two separate plasma desktops |
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| 14:20.27 | Mamarok | oh well, in the use it is the same as one, I can drag stuff from one to the other |
| 14:20.44 | Mamarok | you can put the same wallpaper on both |
| 14:20.55 | dp | does anyone have information on https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=297491 ? this is a seriously annoying bug for me |
| 14:21.02 | detrate | yeah but if I want it to look like one seamless wallpaper, I have to cut it in part parts |
| 14:21.12 | detrate | and really, the bigger issue for me is the Desktop Grid behavior |
| 14:21.44 | Mamarok | hm, I don't use the Grid |
| 14:22.01 | detrate | it separates the virtual desktops by monitor |
| 14:22.20 | detrate | so if I'm looking at my windows across both monitors as 1 unit, it gets separated when I "zoom out", very confusing |
| 14:22.26 | detrate | default bind is ctrl+f8 |
| 14:22.33 | detrate | If you'd like to see what I mean |
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| 14:45.48 | mosno | it's the business :) |
| 14:46.04 | mosno | all hail userbase! |
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| 15:55.10 | alban_ | hi, what's the channel foe kde development ? |
| 15:55.37 | tsimpson | alban_: #kde-devel |
| 15:56.40 | zaccanasta | hi guys, is there a way to start a program/script from dolphin if not in the PATH? |
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| 15:57.16 | alban_ | tsimpson: thx |
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| 16:09.24 | zaccanasta | I want to create a portable version of my program and would be nice to start it from the file manager other than the terminal |
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| 16:17.17 | zaccanasta | I saw that in nautilus this is possible |
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| 16:46.54 | graft | anyone have a good recommendation for a calendar plasmoid that will do notifications/reminders? |
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| 16:47.38 | juan_carlos | Hey all. |
| 16:49.23 | juan_carlos | So a puzzling question for you all. I'm using KDE on Fedora 17. If my TERM is 256 capable, then in Fedora the LS_COLORS are set from a different file that uses the 38;0 prefix for colors |
| 16:49.36 | juan_carlos | Apparently, these seem to not work nice with konsole :( |
| 16:49.51 | juan_carlos | Any hints, or pointers to what I am doing wrong, or is this a bug? |
| 16:50.10 | graft | juan_carlos: what do you mean, 'not work nice'? |
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| 16:52.27 | juan_carlos | By that I mean it ignores the color selection and goes back to the defaults. |
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| 16:53.58 | Brian_H | I have an odd issue on kubuntu 12.04 where windows are stealing focus that didn't steal focus in the past, I've tried adjusting some of the settings to prevent that but it seems to be hit or miss. Is there a way to reset the steal settings without blowing away the profile? |
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| 16:54.58 | graft | juan_carlos: is LS_COLORS set properly? |
| 16:55.11 | juan_carlos | Well, depends on what you mean by properly :) |
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| 16:55.29 | graft | juan_carlos: i mean is it set to what you want it to be, or is the problem that LS_COLORS is wrong? |
| 16:55.44 | graft | as opposed to, LS_COLORS is correct but it still shows the wrong colors |
| 16:55.48 | juan_carlos | Right. what I mean is, if I don't use a 256 color environment, all colors are prefixed with 30;4 |
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| 16:56.12 | juan_carlos | But if I use a 256 term, so in Fedora, it reads /etc/DIRCOLORS.256color which prefixes all colors with 38;0 |
| 16:56.46 | juan_carlos | I mean, it's possible it is an ls issue, that it can't interpret those colors. But I wanted to check if it were a known konsole issue. |
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| 16:59.15 | juan_carlos | Here is an example: under 256 environment: LS_COLORS has settings like this: rs=0:di=38;5;27: |
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| 16:59.55 | juan_carlos | Under normal (non-256) it has things like rs=0:di=01;34: |
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| 17:10.41 | danharibo | hi |
| 17:10.53 | juan_carlos | Any ideas graft? |
| 17:10.57 | danharibo | is there a way to get konsole to switch terminal profiles when a certain application is started |
| 17:11.10 | danharibo | I'd like vim to use a different style |
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| 17:15.08 | graft | err... sorry, juan_carlos, no ideas |
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| 17:19.16 | detrate | is there a better way to setup my keys passphrase in KDE than this? http://aeparker.com/blog/ssh-agent-kde-wallet |
| 17:19.31 | juan_carlos | Thanks anyway graft? |
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| 17:21.02 | juan_carlos | *the ? should be a ! |
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| 19:04.27 | eamon | Are there any *good* free software alternatives to KDE? KDE has a GPL license which is not free like the BSD license. |
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| 19:05.46 | BluesKaj | eamon,. heh I've never had to pay for kde :) |
| 19:06.13 | eamon | free as in freedom |
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| 19:06.42 | muep | it is still free as in how most define free-as-in-freedom software |
| 19:07.30 | eamon | not really |
| 19:07.33 | BluesKaj | don't changes to the bsd/unix code have to be approved by their admins before distribution to the public |
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| 19:09.04 | BluesKaj | methinks there's some hair splitting going on here |
| 19:09.37 | eamon | have you read the licenses? |
| 19:11.11 | eamon | the BSD license is real freedom. the hair splitting occurs in the GPL. |
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| 19:11.51 | muep | BSD license gives a lot of freedoms which are not required for achieving "free software" but of course they are useful in some cases |
| 19:13.34 | muep | I have nothing against you insisting that the freedoms granted in GPL are insufficient for your needs |
| 19:13.58 | eamon | I hate how the GPL restricts said cases. |
| 19:14.17 | muep | it is copyright that does the restriction |
| 19:14.18 | thiago | eamon: answering just the first question: I don't know of any desktop environment or anything close to one that is licensed under BSD terms or more liberal licenses |
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| 19:14.58 | muep | GPL grants you some freedoms, which you may consider insufficient but which still are more generous than what you'd get by default |
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| 19:15.53 | thiago | copyright law does not permit copying or distribution at all, except under a license |
| 19:16.10 | thiago | the GPL grants you those rights, in exchange for some obligations |
| 19:16.40 | thiago | the BSD 3-paragraph license is the same: it has some obligations |
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| 19:18.05 | eamon | the only obligation under BSD is that credit must be given |
| 19:18.16 | thiago | sure, but it's an obligation |
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| 19:18.52 | BluesKaj | why should I resd the licences . I'm not devel or a coder or anything of the kind so , it's immaterial to me , perhapd i should care but there's not much I can do about any changes to software with or without licensing |
| 19:18.59 | thiago | anyway, if you disagree with the GPL obligations, that's your choice |
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| 19:19.21 | eamon | GPL forces every user to spread GPL like a virus |
| 19:19.23 | muep | I mostly disagreed with the "my free is more free than your free" claim |
| 19:19.36 | muep | GPL does not force me to spread any more GPL |
| 19:19.36 | lordievader | Good evening |
| 19:19.45 | BluesKaj | and really how many ppl care anyway |
| 19:20.12 | eamon | muep: i'm afraid it does |
| 19:20.52 | thiago | eamon: if you're a developer and you want to use GPL code in your program, yes. The full program must be licensed under the terms of the GPL. |
| 19:20.59 | muep | "free software" is quite well defined by both FSF and DFSG, among others. both of the aforementioned definitions consider GPL a free software license |
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| 19:21.27 | thiago | as a user, you're not forced to do anything |
| 19:21.35 | muep | it might be more constructive for you to demand a permissive free software license or a non-copyleft license |
| 19:22.00 | thiago | anyway, the point is moot. There is no BSD-licensed desktop. |
| 19:22.09 | thiago | your options are: use a GPL-licensed one or not. |
| 19:23.57 | muep | I have distributed some copies of software under GPL terms, but that was because I wanted to distribute |
| 19:24.07 | muep | not because the license somehow required me to distribute it |
| 19:24.28 | eamon | that's nice |
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| 19:26.43 | Pitfall | hi |
| 19:27.04 | Pitfall | I'm using KDE 4.8.5 but I messed up my trash |
| 19:27.15 | Pitfall | I cannot move files to my trash |
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| 19:28.05 | Pitfall | I removed the Trash directory with its content and recreated one, but that doesn't seem to help |
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| 19:28.45 | yonkeltron | will installing strigi make my searches and such go faster? |
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| 19:30.19 | lordievader | Pitfall, What error do you get exactly? |
| 19:31.27 | Pitfall | lordievader, sorry I already fixed it |
| 19:31.34 | Pitfall | It seems to be a Dolphin issue |
| 19:31.53 | Pitfall | I used konqueror to trash a file, and now Dolphin also works correctly |
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| 19:32.06 | Pitfall | Oddly enough |
| 19:32.49 | lordievader | Pitfall, Dolphin sometimes makes mistakes, I usually get the message trash full every once in a while. |
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| 19:33.27 | Pitfall | I got that message yes |
| 19:33.37 | Pitfall | and removing the trash file made it worse |
| 19:33.42 | Pitfall | but konqueror is a nice backup |
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| 19:34.24 | lordievader | Pitfall, My usual fix is renaming everything in the info folder, that usually works. |
| 19:35.07 | Pitfall | OK, I'll give that a shot next time |
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| 20:28.43 | sporkf | moin. |
| 20:28.47 | sporkf | how to remove the jelly bean? |
| 20:28.51 | sporkf | err kidney bean. |
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| 20:30.15 | lordievader | sporkf, You mean the yellow thing in the right top corner off the screen? |
| 20:35.11 | FLHerne | There are at least 3 widgets to hide that ;-) |
| 20:36.32 | FLHerne | If it is the cashew you mean, just search for that in the widget downloader :P |
| 20:36.42 | lordievader | Or you can just drag it under your task bar, that is what I have done. |
| 20:37.05 | FLHerne | lordievader: That relies on you having one ;-) |
| 20:37.24 | lordievader | FLHerne, That is, of course, very true. |
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| 20:44.49 | FLHerne | FLHerne: I'm in the situation where no casual visitors can use my computer at all without lengthy explanation :P |
| 20:45.06 | FLHerne | Perhaps KDE needs to be a bit less customisable ;-) |
| 20:46.03 | lordievader | The fact that I use Linux makes it already impossible to use for most people around me... |
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| 20:47.22 | cb400f | FLHerne: create an activity for casual guests ;-) |
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| 20:49.58 | lordievader | Panels are the same across activities, right? Or did they change that in 4.9? |
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| 21:11.36 | mr0wl | Is something wrong with the KDE website? https://techbase.kde.org/install.php?profile=standard |
| 21:11.58 | mr0wl | i keep getting the Drupal config page with SSL/HTTPS |
| 21:12.13 | lordievader | mr0wl, Same here, I guess something went wrong somewhere. |
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| 21:12.48 | mr0wl | Oh, okay. As long as someone's aware of it. |
| 21:13.19 | lordievader | mr0wl, I do hope so. |
| 21:13.47 | lordievader | But I guess some dev will see your message, you could also mention it on #kde-dev. |
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| 21:30.42 | desti_T2 | what happened to the KDE tablet? http://makeplaylive.com/ |
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| 21:43.48 | danharibo | hi |
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| 21:44.52 | danharibo | Can I set the konsole profile automatically for certain programs |
| 21:44.58 | danharibo | i.e. I want vim to use a different profile |
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| 22:44.47 | joulez | hi, i have an old kde3.x app, will i have any trouble compiling this under kde4? |
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