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00:01.32rdietergdb: my oldsish i945-based laptop works fairly well with kde-4.8+
00:02.03rdieter4.9 is even better
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00:06.20rdietergdb: looks like I did disable the blur effect tho
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00:42.13mentis__hi
00:42.33mentis__can i mount / once again but read only ?
00:42.47mentis__if so, how ?
00:44.26rdietermentis__: there's always  'mount -o remount,ro /' ... but, once a machine is booted, i'm fairly certain many services and such expect / to be writable, so things may go haywire if you do that
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00:45.14rdietermentis__: or by 'mount  again', you mean mount  it elsewhere?  if so, 'man  mount' and look for the 'bind' option
00:46.52mentis__i have to do this on running system
00:46.58mentis__root is already mounted :/
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00:47.11mentis__i want to mount it again inorder to make a backup
00:47.41mentis__one of my harddrives broke... and i need to move my system to another drive
00:47.58mentis__but cant reboot the box cuz it wont but up again
00:48.45rdietermay the force be with you
00:49.28mentis__thx...
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01:01.53phluxI don't have any video with dragonplayer...any ideas? I just sit here with audio playing perfectly and a black video
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02:05.20ercis renamed "codeine"
02:05.35erca skin for xine
02:06.46erctry another video player vlc or mplayer based
02:07.27ercI like smplayer
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02:21.14phluxyeah, I'll just do that
02:21.14phluxthanks
02:30.37ercif you launch it from a term, it may tell you why it's crapping out
02:32.32ercbut I can't remember ever getting anything out of it
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08:27.22EvilGuruWhen I log into KDE 4.9 under Gentoo Plasma often acts/appears as if compositing is disabled.  Panels have grey as opposed to blured/translucent backgrounds.  Compositing /is/ enabled, however
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08:43.29gamblerHi is there a plan to release KDE 4.8.6? I think it makes sense still to support the 4.8-Series. Not all useres want to switch to 4.9.0 now.
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08:49.15patkoscsabaHi
08:49.52patkoscsabaThere is a nfs:// I want to access and it's root is accessible
08:50.10patkoscsabahowever, one of the subfolders was opened in MacOS recently
08:50.24patkoscsabawhich put there a .DS_Store file, unaccessible to me
08:50.38patkoscsabanow, when I try to list the files in that folder with Dolphin
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08:51.14patkoscsabait just says that file .DS_Store is unaccessible and never finishes listing the files
08:51.34patkoscsabaany idea how can I list the files there, some way to ignore unaccessible files?
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08:52.09lordievaderpatkoscsaba: What are the rights to the DS file?
08:53.37lordievaderpatkoscsaba: ls -la, lists the directory along with the permissions.
08:53.42patkoscsabaI have no idea, I can't access it, I can't see it in Dolphing ...
08:54.34lordievaderpatkoscsaba: Do you know how to use a terminal?
08:55.03patkoscsabaYes, I know, I can easily copy the file with mc and mount the folder somewhere as root
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08:55.28patkoscsabaMy question is how to make Dolphin ignore it and let me see the rest of the files I have access to
08:55.45lordievaderpatkoscsaba: Ok well open a terminal, change to the directory and issue a ls -la.
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08:56.56patkoscsabalordievader: one moment, I have to mount it somewhere as root, I have no idea where Dolphin mounts the folders when I issue a nfs://.... in the address bar
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08:58.03patkoscsaba-rwx------ 1 4294967294 4294967294      12292 Jul 18 17:59 .DS_Store
08:58.30patkoscsabaof course, with ls -al I can see all the rest of the files I want to access
08:59.08patkoscsabalordievader: and all of them are:  -rw-r--r-- 1 4294967294 4294967294
09:00.45lordievaderpatkoscsaba: To change the permission to match the others issue "chmod 644 .DS_Store". To go back the way it is now, "chmod 700 .DS_Store" your mac might go crazy with wrong permissions on this file. However I don't know if it will since I don't use macs.
09:02.14patkoscsabalordievader: It's not my mac. It's a shared folder between several persons, and your solution is temporary, until someone else with a mac will access it
09:02.34patkoscsabaand I am the only Linux user here, every other person accesses it from MacOS
09:02.59patkoscsabaI just want Dolphin to ignore the file and list the folder's content
09:04.45lordievaderpatkoscsaba: I see, so the owner of the file also isn't you?
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09:06.23patkoscsabalordievader: nope
09:06.47patkoscsabalordievader: it's a random MacOS user who happened to access that folder and MacOS generated that stupid file
09:06.49lordievaderpatkoscsaba: Not sure if it will work, but go to the Preferences of Dolphin -> General -> Previews tab and there uncheck Directories.
09:07.09patkoscsabahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.DS_Store
09:07.18lordievaderpatkoscsaba: Mac and Windows are idiots who always create thumbnail files.
09:08.29patkoscsabalordievader: Directory preview is not checked
09:09.20lordievaderpatkoscsaba: Hmm... What an annoying problem.
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09:10.34patkoscsabayes, that's why I came here looking for a solution
09:10.45patkoscsabaI could find nothing with google
09:11.16lordievaderpatkoscsaba: No google is quite useless here too.
09:11.57patkoscsababtw, I have previews disabled for remote folders
09:12.03patkoscsabaso that should not be a problem
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09:12.52patkoscsabaand this is clearly a Dolphin issue, since I can see, copy, and list stuff there from a mounted nfs folder both from cli and mc
09:13.01lordievaderpatkoscsaba: What happens when you open Dolphin with "kdesudo dolphin"?
09:13.29lordievaderpatkoscsaba: mc = mac?
09:13.39patkoscsabamc = midnight commander
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09:14.24patkoscsabano kdesudo here
09:14.36patkoscsababut I could try to start dolphin from a root console
09:14.51lordievaderpatkoscsaba: Hold on I'm in Kubuntu mode, what distro are you using?
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09:15.23patkoscsabaSabayon, but no problem, I have a Dolphin running as root already
09:16.28lordievaderpatkoscsaba: Still the same problem?
09:17.08patkoscsabanope
09:17.22patkoscsabalordievader: it seems like with root it can list the folder
09:18.35lordievaderpatkoscsaba: So it really is the permission thing, the ls command is done from the user right, not from root?
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09:19.14patkoscsabait was from root
09:19.47lordievaderpatkoscsaba: Could you run it again from the user? I get the feeling the user doesn't have any rights to read the folder.
09:20.52patkoscsabafrom cli, ls -al as user, exactly the same as with root, when the folder was mounted as root to /media/tmp
09:21.18lordievaderpatkoscsaba: Everything is simply listed?
09:21.18patkoscsabawhere does Dolphin mounts the folders when I issue a nfs://something in the address bar
09:21.19patkoscsaba?
09:21.43patkoscsabalordievader: yes, everything is listed identically as with root
09:22.01patkoscsababut I repeat, this is a folder mounted as root into /media/tmp
09:22.08lordievaderpatkoscsaba: No idea, I don't use Dolphin to mount my nfs shares. However what happens when you go with dolphin to /media/tmp, under the user?
09:22.24patkoscsabaso the rights on queries should be as root regardless of the user I use
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09:23.13patkoscsabaand yes, dolphin as user -> /media/tmp mounted as root, lists files properly
09:23.36lordievaderpatkoscsaba: Ah so it seems dolphin screws up mounting an nfs share.
09:24.02patkoscsabawell, not relly ... In that same share
09:24.05patkoscsabathere are several folders
09:24.09patkoscsabaI can see all of them
09:24.19patkoscsabaand access all the files
09:24.30patkoscsabaexcept the one folder where there is a .DS_Store file
09:25.42lordievaderpatkoscsaba: Arg. Damned macs. Press F4 and run an ls on that dir, it is very strange if the ls simply works but browsing the same folder with dolphin does not.
09:27.27patkoscsabalordievader: yeah, lol, I never thought of F4
09:27.52lordievaderpatkoscsaba: ?
09:28.04patkoscsabaonfortunately
09:28.13patkoscsabawhen in a nfs://... folder
09:28.19patkoscsabaF4 drops me into /
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09:28.59lordievaderpatkoscsaba: Hmm, and when in /media/temp?
09:29.10patkoscsabathat works
09:29.15patkoscsabaas I said above
09:29.23patkoscsabathat is mounted as root
09:29.23lordievaderpatkoscsaba: I see.
09:29.34patkoscsabaand if in /media/temp
09:29.52patkoscsabaDolphin thinks it's a local folder, F4 opens there
09:30.01lordievaderpatkoscsaba: What you could do as a dirty workaround, is using a script to mount the nfs for you and after that delete all the .DS_Store files.
09:30.22patkoscsabalordievader: yeah, I know
09:30.39patkoscsabaI was hoping to avoid this kind of workarounds
09:31.00patkoscsabaI was so cool ... I could just click "Connect to office VPN"
09:31.08lordievaderpatkoscsaba: I can understand that, however I am quite out of ideas. You could file a bug though.
09:31.21patkoscsabaand I had a shortcut in Places in dolphin to directly jump to the nfs folder
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09:31.59lordievaderpatkoscsaba: You can still have that, always mount it in say /media/Office, and have a shortcut to it.
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09:33.03patkoscsabaThe thing here is "always" ... I prefer not to have it always mounted, just click-click from time to time and take what I need. I really use it once in a month or so
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09:33.20patkoscsababut that's it
09:33.37patkoscsabaI will just mount and take what I need as root for now
09:33.43patkoscsabaand place bug report for dolphin
09:34.39lordievaderpatkoscsaba: What I mean is, if you mount it, you mount it only to /media/Office not something wierd that dolphin does.
09:35.49lordievaderpatkoscsaba: Well, I hope it gets fixed soon.
09:36.10patkoscsabalordievader: I understood you perfectly about the mounting
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09:36.46patkoscsabaI just thought it was cool that I could use it instantly from Dolphin, without mounting it in advance
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11:50.32alt_tccis there a kde sc showcase live cd containing all applications or something similar?
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12:48.51newbie999Hi. How can I apply service menu without restart X server ?
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12:58.00gogahi guys, know anyone kde developers channel?
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13:32.23gogai cant build kde-baseapps
13:34.01gogaits errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1155296/
13:34.10gogacan anyone help me?
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13:35.10toskygoga: did you install the packages containing the build dependencies, like kdelibs4-dev and so on ?
13:35.42toskyan easy way is to do a apt-get build-dep kde-baseapps
13:35.44BluesKajyou have to create a build dir , usually
13:35.46gogaone moment pls. i'll check.
13:36.47toskyand as BluesKaj suggested, it's cleaner to use a separate build directory
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13:39.34JucatoI haven't built kdebase in a long time, but from what I remember, you need a version of kdelibs that matches your kde-baseapps (and I think kde-runtime too). so since you have gotten git master (the unstable branch), you also need kdelibs git master and kde-runtime git master
13:41.54gogawow... too many thinks i need.... i have kdelibs-dev(kdelibs5-dev)
13:42.21Jucatobut might not be the version that kde-baseapps needs
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13:43.40gogamaybe :(
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13:50.01Jucatogoga: BluesKaj is right also. you can't build (run cmakek and make) in the source directory. you have to make a separate build directory, cd into that, and run cmake from there. the minimum would be something like (in the source directory): mkdir build; cd build; cmake ..
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14:13.22artaoi see no option for that in the keyboard settings dialog
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16:13.12mac^^^I can never remember how to tell kde to display names of virtual desktops in the boxes on the panel
16:14.50mac^^^it would be TOO convenient to have a checkbox in the place where we give names to virtual desktops :(
16:15.02mac^^^sarcasm intended
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16:15.54ercright-click-->pager settings...???
16:16.07mac^^^erc I"ll try that
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16:17.26mac^^^well for starters, when I right click the desktop, I get a menu that has "Destop Setting" but NOT "pager settings"
16:19.59rindolfmac^^^: you need to right click on the pager.
16:20.02mac^^^erc BUT when I right click a "virtual desktop" box (in the left part of the panel) it does pop up "Pager Settings"
16:20.43mac^^^rindolf: I think I'll document it this time HOWEVER it would be nice to have the choices in the SAME dialog box which lets you name virtual desktops
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16:23.03mac^^^BTW, I switched to kde after gnome changed the way they handled virtual desktops
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16:28.13erchttp://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Pager
16:29.44mac^^^erc thanks, I used it .......... but I still think the options to display text, no text, number should be in the same box which allows you to set the virtual desktop name (or a link to the pager settings dialog)
16:31.48mac^^^that would be under System Settings/Workspace Behaviour
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17:33.58makismdolphin seems to freeze for a couple secs every time i run it, if i were to submit a bug, what more useful information i could provide? :/
17:34.36thiagoa backtrace of the moment it's frozen
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17:34.46thiagoa good timing of how long it is stuck frozen
17:35.12makismcheck i'll work on these stuff first
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17:54.22makismrecompiled dolphin, works fine now, something about the compiler flags? hmpf!
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18:15.26urlwolfthe pager displays the icon of the last app I interacted with, not all the rest
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19:05.56Schrodinger`Cati would like to thanks kde dev thats helping me to solve my issue with kwin on the bug report :)
19:06.17thiagoyou're welcome
19:06.32thiagobut how did you escape from the box? :-P
19:06.52Schrodinger`Cati hack the locker :)
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19:28.36evil-godhello
19:29.11evil-godthere is no kolab-connctor in 4.9?
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19:39.33swervesince recent update, window titles won't take font formatting, and mouse wheel won't shade or perform other actions on title bar - is this a bug?
19:40.54swerveonly oxygen theme will take font formatting or roll up windows - so weird
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19:48.08rdieterswerve: the font  thing sounds like  https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304791 perhaps ?
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20:28.11sabayonuser__Hey - I accidentally made my plazma bouncy ball wiget invisible, how do i kill the widget if i cant click on it ( I have no idea where it is on the screen)
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20:35.05kjavhello. I am using kde in debian wheezy. I want to speed up the start of dolphin, because it takes a few seconds
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20:37.47kjavplease help :D delphin is slow
20:38.16rindolfkjav: I have no idea how to fix it.
20:38.24thiagois your disk active while that is happening?
20:38.40kjavyes
20:39.24thiagois the CPU at 100% (as top shows)?
20:39.36kjavno
20:39.51thiagothen you need to get a faster disk
20:40.11kjavno, is because my cpu
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20:40.49kjavbut others like pcmanfm or konqueror are faster
20:41.13thiagoyou've just said the CPU isn't being used to the fullest
20:41.41kjavyes, is because my cpu is an atom n270
20:42.36thiagothen get a faster CPU
20:42.52kjavI can change it
20:42.56kjav*cant
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20:43.45lordievaderkjav: Is there not something else generating a lot of disk usage?
20:45.19kjavI think no. It is a clean instalation and is tweak
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20:46.05lordievaderkjav: Could you run iotop, and check for certain?
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20:46.59kjavlordievader : what pakage I need to use iotop ?
20:47.04m3does anyone know how to change the quote symbol that is outputted  right now i it is  ¨¨ but netbeans does not recongize it... :(
20:47.07thiagokjav: I'm sorry, but short of upgrading your hardware, I don't see a way of improving your situation
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20:47.28thiagom3: what's your keyboard layout?
20:47.33m3ummm
20:47.38m3us
20:47.44m3US defualt
20:47.46kjavIt is a netbook, I only can upgrade the ram
20:47.46lordievaderkjav: First install it, not sure if debian uses sudo, but in kubuntu it is: sudo apt-get install iotop
20:48.01lordievaderkjav: Then run iotop as root (sudo)
20:48.06thiagom3: are you sure?
20:48.13thiagom3: open a terminal and run setxkbmap -print
20:48.21m3generic 101 -pc
20:48.23thiagom3: what's the symbols line?
20:48.54m3xkb_keymap {
20:48.55m3xkb_keycodes  { include "evdev+aliases(qwerty)"};
20:48.57m3xkb_types     { include "complete"};
20:48.58m3xkb_compat    { include "complete"};
20:49.00m3xkb_symbols   { include "pc+us(intl)+inet(evdev)+terminate(ctrl_alt_bksp)"};
20:49.01m3xkb_geometry  { include "pc(pc104)"};
20:49.03m3};
20:49.05lordievaderkjav: Oh and btw netbooks are generally slow, actually I don't expect it to open dolphin the way an I7 would.
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20:49.24thiagom3: you're using us(intl)
20:49.31thiagom3: was that intentional?
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20:51.07m3it would seem it is set to intl us
20:51.21thiagom3: that's what I said
20:51.26thiagoI'm asking you if that was your intention
20:51.30thiagoif not, change it to something else
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20:52.00kjav_sorry I lost the network
20:52.13lordievaderkjav_: My last two messages:
20:52.17lordievaderkjav: First install it, not sure if debian uses sudo, but in kubuntu it is: sudo apt-get install iotop
20:52.20lordievaderkjav: Then run iotop as root (sudo)
20:52.23lordievaderkjav: Oh and btw netbooks are generally slow, actually I don't expect it to open dolphin the way an I7 would.
20:52.51m3my intention is to change how the quote symbol (¨) because netbeans sees it as a illegal character
20:52.53lordievaderkjav_: s/two/three/g
20:53.01thiagom3: that's not a quote
20:53.06thiagom3: would you please answer my question?
20:53.12thiagom3: that's the last time I ask
20:53.39kjav_http://www.subirimagenes.com/imagen-instantnea1-7931625.html
20:53.44kjav_there is iotop
20:54.18kjav_I should use another file manager?
20:54.23kjav_*I use
20:54.42m3thiago you are asking if us international is what I want my layout to be?
20:54.48thiagom3: no
20:54.55thiagom3: I'm asking if it's *intentional*
20:55.08thiagom3: did you make the change to us(intl) intentionally?
20:55.18thiagoor, yes, that's what I'm asking
20:55.20lordievaderkjav_: Hmm yeah a snapshot is not going to help, what you need to look for if there is a process that is constantly reading/writing to the disk.
20:55.23thiagostopped reading at international
20:56.10m3No i did not change to us(intl) (at least as far as i cna remeber)
20:56.20thiagom3: then change it to something else
20:56.20kjav_lordievader : no, there arent. maybe I need use other file manager
20:56.33thiagom3: in the keyboard layout settings, in system settings
20:56.48lordievaderkjav_: Or you just wait a bit for it to load.
20:56.49Juankjav_, do you use nepomuk? Because if you don't you can just disable indexing and it'll speed things up.
20:57.13kjav_Yes, I have disabled it
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20:58.00JuanDolphin loads almost instantly on my netbook, although it's a AMD APU.
20:58.05Juanan
20:58.21m3"better"
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20:58.44m3thanks thiago
20:58.46kjav_But my atom is a first generation
20:58.56kjav_It has 3 years
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21:00.43lordievaderkjav_: The rest of kde is behaving smoothly?
21:01.18kjav_yes
21:01.27kjav_It runs well
21:01.43kjav_the only is a but slow is dolphin
21:01.46kjav_*bit
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21:05.52[LDmobil]still trying tolearn this kde 4.  how does one eject a cd in kde 4?
21:06.58thiagoclick the device manager icon next to the clock and eject the CD there
21:09.07kjav_lordievader : can you answer other question? can I set to have efects when is on charging and disabled with the battery ?
21:11.19lordievaderkjav_: I believe you could, however I forgot how, and to be frank I cannot find it right now, give me a bit.
21:11.32kjav_ok, thanks ^^
21:11.37[LDmobil]thiago: that is not working
21:11.59thiago[LDmobil]: so you click the eject button and it doesn't eject?
21:12.09[LDmobil]corect
21:12.37[LDmobil]it is listed as a UDF Volume
21:13.36lordievaderkjav_: Ah it seems that has been removed with KDE SC 4.8: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/10/power-saving-and-desktop-effects/
21:13.53[LDmobil]when using the cli i get the following:  eject: tried to use `/mnt/cdrom' as device name but it is no block device
21:14.28thiago[LDmobil]: use the device name, not the mount point
21:15.10kjav_lordievader : thanks, I will disable with a combination of keys
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21:15.40lordievaderkjav_: Read the article though.
21:15.48kjav_ok
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21:18.05[LDmobil]i cannot seem to fine what the device is for this
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21:20.52kjav_lordievader: then is better to have them
21:21.12lordievaderkjav_: Hence the removal of the option.
21:22.19lordievaderWell I'm off to bed, bye.
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22:15.29NeuhmaanHi !
22:15.40Neuhmaanhttp://i.imgur.com/QmiIw.png Its possible to display the left pannel by default ?
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22:29.46BogdanRHi
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22:31.41BogdanRKonqueror 4.8.5 gives me a lot of messages that "The server failed the authenticity check"
22:32.01BogdanRBecause of that it's pretty much unusable
22:32.16BogdanRHow can I resolve this problem?
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22:32.50Phr33d0mhi guys, a very annoying bug just appeared... on my two-monitor setup, my mouse looks like cut off when I move it to my left monitor... it works just fine on my right monitor tho... I tried rebuilding xf86-input-{mouse,evdev} and restarting dbus, kdm, etc... even moved ~/.kde4/ to ~/.kde4-backup/ to start with a clean setup - same problem... the problem appears as soon the KDM login appears... any ideas?
22:35.06Phr33d0mif I make a screen capture including the mouse - in the picture the mouse pointer is normal..
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23:03.00ercPhr33d0m: we have no clue of your setup either before or after the "just appeared"
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23:22.29Neuhmaanhttp://i.imgur.com/QmiIw.png Its possible to display the left pannel by default (konqueror) ?
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23:26.41JucatoNeuhmaan: I can't exactly recall where (I'm not on Linux at the moment), but there's a "Save Profile" option in the menu. try that
23:27.02NeuhmaanJucato: Already try :/
23:27.50BogdanRI have a problem. KDE 4.8.5 is not using the certificates from the /usr/share/config/ksslcalist file
23:28.23BogdanRSo I have to add the ca-certificates manually
23:28.58BogdanRDo I need to have something running, like akonadi, or it should do it automatically?
23:29.37BogdanRHow can I make it read the /usr/share/config/ksslcalist file?
23:30.03Phr33d0merc sorry I was afk... I just fixed it, but what buggs me out is that I have no idea how I fixed it...
23:30.47Phr33d0mI rebuild a coulpe of packages and rebooted a couple of times - anyways, it wasn't KDE related as I also got this on LXDE... seems to have been something xorg-server related
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23:34.35ercright, xorg hardware cursor
23:34.50erc16000 hits in last year :)
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