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00:48.28DaZbarraponto: dunno, i have 4.9 and alt+tilde does that :f
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01:30.13benjamindaineshow can I hde gnome apps in KDE?
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01:39.33johnnyquestI keep removing 2 launchers from my panel and they wont stop coming back after reboots
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01:51.03johnnyquestif they are removed and open task manager settings and do anything click apply they return as well
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02:27.52einseenaihello, guys, is there possibility in kde to install sound themes?
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02:44.13msxeinseenai: in fact seems there is, https://www.google.com.ar/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8&ion=1#hl=en&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=install%20sound%20themes%20in%20kde&oq=&gs_l=&pbx=1&fp=a676cab7ae3f9bdc&ion=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1600&bih=789
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02:59.58unghi, I use debian stable and the version of Kopete is 1.0.0 I can't connect to the msn server
03:00.54ungI never succesful connected to msn with kopete
03:01.06unganyone know a fix ?
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03:10.34diegoviolahi
03:10.40diegoviolaanyone else here having this issue please?  https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302997
03:10.43diegoviolait's annoying that i can't use ktorrent
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03:12.02johnnyquestung, try updating kopete first
03:12.13johnnyquestdiegoviola, use transmition
03:12.52ungjohnnyquest: I have the last version on debian
03:13.03diegoviolajohnnyquest: transmission and deluge works
03:13.13diegoviolajohnnyquest: but i'm not sure why ktorrent stopped working
03:13.34johnnyquestdiegoviola, I do not use ubuntu so cant help on that but it looks more like an issue with the ktor like sais sudo apt-get install transmition
03:13.37diegoviolajohnnyquest: i'm using deluge right now without issus
03:13.48diegoviolajohnnyquest: i'm on archlinux
03:13.57diegoviolajohnnyquest: the guy that reported that issue is on ubuntu
03:14.13diegoviolajohnnyquest: two different people having the issue
03:14.52johnnyquestdiegoviola, sounds like its ktorent needs fixed. i dont have the app to test
03:15.06diegoviolajohnnyquest: yeah it's strange
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03:15.11diegoviolaanyway thanks for the help
03:16.12johnnyquestung im on 1.2.3, but not debian, debain likes to wait till packages die to release them. ill look into it for u
03:16.31ungok
03:17.05arthurtabordasomeone know where can I get this plasmoid? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mzg-uEafAU&feature=related
03:17.33johnnyquestung, squeeze?
03:17.44ungyes
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03:27.01johnnyquestdear god all the info is beyond old on the net refinancing debian and kopete
03:28.21ungyea
03:29.03ungi think they fixed it on a a latter version but i can't install it on stable
03:29.46johnnyquestyeah never use stable IMO for debian always use testing
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03:31.39johnnyquestung, this is up to u if you chose to do it, its not recommended and their may be another more suitable way. Change your /etc/apt/sources.list to testing from squeeze apt-get update && apt-get install kopete, then drop back to squeeze
03:32.32ungi can't
03:32.39ungit will upgrade libc6
03:32.49johnnyquestung, I have succsefully converted stables to testings and into other deb based distros, it is daunting and dangerous but its possible
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03:33.09johnnyquestonly if kopete calls for libc6
03:34.08johnnyquestung, try this, look in your sources.list and pull the url change it to testing/wheezy and pull the .deb from the web see if it will let u install it
03:34.35johnnyquestinstead of using aptitude
03:35.09johnnyquesthttp://packages.debian.org/wheezy/kopete
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03:35.43johnnyquestu can always extract the .deb and mannually play the tar files
03:35.47johnnyquestplace
03:35.50ungI have libc 2.11 et kopete need 2.4
03:35.55ungI looked at http://kopete.kde.org/releases.php
03:36.11ungto check .deb but it's the version 0­.12
03:36.24johnnyquestyeah I saw that
03:36.25ungDebian package for Etch x86
03:36.27ungit's really old
03:37.04ung"Current releases of Kopete are only avaliable through official KDE packages or through your Linux distribution."
03:37.05ungwell
03:37.10ungthanks for trying
03:37.11johnnyquestI say try extract the tar see if it works. if it fails you and just reinstall with apt
03:37.50johnnyquestim acttualy trying to find OTR for kopete myself, I swore I saw it their on another system
03:38.00JoeSomebodyis there any way to get more info when copying files? those little popups could have more
03:38.09ungotr is already include in kopete
03:38.25johnnyquesthow do u activate it? its not in my plugins section
03:38.51ungI go in configure, plugins
03:38.59ungwhat distribution do you use ?
03:39.38johnnyquestung, gentoo
03:40.10johnnyquestthats where I thought it was but its not their weird maybe ill try reinstalling it
03:40.22ungok
03:41.19johnnyquestJoeSomebody, more what?
03:41.21ungthe last otr plugin I see has been sumited in 2007 on kde apps
03:41.34johnnyquest07, thats been a minute
03:43.02ungi see on gentoo that all the version get OTR
03:43.17ungthe plugin is libotr
03:43.21johnnyquestthinking i got a bad merge
03:43.36johnnyquestyeah I have libotr and pythonotr for weechat
03:43.56johnnyquestill reemerge that too, thx for looking
03:44.37ungi guess ill use pidgin for now, msn works but i can't add people
03:44.59johnnyquestmsn + google, seem to have lots of issues on them
03:46.56ungi have to go, thanks for looking on your side
03:47.39arthurtabordaplease, someone know where can I get this plasmoid? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mzg-uEafAU&feature=related
03:49.14johnnyquestarthursribeiro, the new UI components available in KDE Plasma Workspace 4.8 and Plasma , upgrade to plasma 4.8 :)
03:50.03arthursribeirojohnnyquest, I think it was to arthurtaborda
03:50.26JoeSomebodyjohnnyquest, i dunno the whole pathname,  i cant rememberrmy other ideas
03:50.32johnnyquestarthursribeiro, sorry to alert you
03:51.05arthurtabordaI know, I just want the plasmoid shown in the video I sent
03:51.20arthurtabordado you know how I can get it?
03:51.26johnnyquestits built into kde 4.8 this will require 4.8
03:52.36arthursribeirojohnnyquest, no problem :)
03:53.17arthurtabordaok, I have kde 4.8
03:53.23johnnyquestJoeSomebody, well you can configure dolphin settings to display full path and editable path locations. Other then that you will really need to just learn the linux file system its quite vital, just takes time. Start using the CLI to cp your stuff it will help you
03:53.29arthurtabordaI just need the plasmoid
03:53.35arthursribeiroarthurtaborda, are you a developer?
03:53.35arthurtabordawhere can I get it?
03:53.38arthurtabordayep
03:54.55arthursribeiroarthurtaborda, go to the kde-runtime repository
03:55.18arthursribeiroarthurtaborda, checkout the code from there, i mean
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03:58.18arthurtabordaany hint where it is?
03:58.31johnnyquestarthurtaborda, from what it says I see its just a showcase demo of the new UI components in kde 4.8
03:58.42arthurtabordayeah, I want this plasmoid
03:59.01arthurtabordaI want to see the code
03:59.17johnnyquestwell kde is open source
03:59.35arthursribeiroarthurtaborda, git clone git://anongit.kde.org/kde-runtime
04:00.01arthurtabordaok, if I clone this I will get all the code
04:00.08arthurtabordabut I need to know where it is
04:00.13arthursribeirooh
04:00.13arthurtabordathere is a lot of folders
04:00.13arthursribeirook
04:00.16arthurtabordahundreds
04:00.21arthursribeiroI know where it is
04:02.12arthursribeiroarthurtaborda, plasma/declarativeimports/test/gallery
04:02.36arthursribeiroI don't know if the directory structure is still this way
04:02.58arthurtabordahm, I dont see a test folder
04:03.01arthursribeiroif it is, look at the file Gallery.qml
04:03.18arthursribeirook, I'll take a look here
04:08.24arthursribeiroarthurtaborda, it seems they removed from this repository
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04:12.04arthursribeiroarthurtaborda, git clone git://anongit.kde.org/kdeexamples
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04:16.12arthurtabordathanks man
04:16.30arthurtabordathe plasmoid is widget gallery
04:17.03arthursribeiroarthurtaborda, glad to help
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04:20.50tokumeiWhenever I use the "Get New Decoration" button in the "Window Decoration" window, they only rarely show up as available decorations in the menu.  Is it possible to install them manually if I download the decoration from kde-look?
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12:12.15BluesKajHi all
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12:23.09BluesKajrindolf, woof
12:23.20rindolfBluesKaj: what's up?
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13:18.11HypnoGenXThe KDE (4.8.3) taskbar by default has this annoying up-arrow fold-out in which it hides icons that would otherwise be immediately visible. Is there any way to disable this?
13:20.43HypnoGenXHmm...Setting every entry to 'always visible' seems to do the trick. Suppose that'll do as workaround without a default setting.
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13:43.25obryanI'd like to come up with my own custom notification theme, is there any documentation on how to do that?
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13:52.05rdieter_workobryan: I believe the default kde notification applet simply uses the existing plasma theme elements
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13:53.27obryanrdieter_work: does the plasma theming have any relevant documentation?
13:54.08rdieter_workhttp://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/Theme
13:54.43rdieter_workhttp://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/ThemeDetails
13:54.46rdieter_worksome quick googling
13:55.11obryanmeh, googling notifications and themes for an hour just led me various kde-look links
13:55.38rdieter_workI used keywords: kde plasma theme documentation
13:55.49rdieter_workand ^^ those were to 2 first hits
13:56.02obryanah see i didn't know it was tied to plasma
13:56.15obryanamazing how easy it is to find something when you already know what you're looking for :)
13:56.45rdieter_workfyi, the code for the notication applet is under kde-workspace  plasma/generic/applets/notifications/
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13:57.46obryanah see I was expecting something sorta like an CSS layout
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14:00.12rdieter_workif you wanted to (re)write your own notification applet (esp a qml-based one), indeed
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14:04.32hxrquick question, why is KDE so fucking badass?
14:05.01cb400fit just is ;-)
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14:06.04hxri have a 1000rr
14:06.12hxrhonda is the way to go cb400f
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14:06.42hxrthe cb400 is a fking classic.
14:07.58hxrkde is so fucking badass because of the users.
14:08.17hxrthat is all.
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16:02.40djznproblem, oxygen-gtk is working perfectly with gtk apps, however libreoffice is failing to have shadows in its menus... (arch), but fedora did something that has libreoffice with those shadows... both libreoffice-kde4 and libreoffice-gnome are installed on arch.... what could that be
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17:01.20MoviuroHi all :) Are there some Lancelot devs here ?
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17:04.21MoviuroBcause I'm looking for a plasmoid that would display my online kontacts of Kopete (with the ability to click on contacts to begin a konversation ^^), as Lancelot does.
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17:12.28kudlatyMoviuro: The Shelf plasmoid does exactly what you want, methinks. :)
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17:20.08Moviurokudlaty: Shelf ? I'll have a look @ it ;)
17:20.50Moviurokudlaty: awesome :) thanks alot :D
17:21.03kudlatyMoviuro: You're welcome.
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17:29.43piotrekHello everyone, could someone tell if there is a way to set a default mode for new files?
17:29.57piotreki can't seem to find such option anywhere
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17:30.24piotreki use mainly c++ and want to have it as default but i have to set it up manually every time i open a new file
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17:31.18kbroulikhi there, I am using lightdm kde and want to have a "Guest" account but that Guest option doesnt work. I need a user, like a regular one that can login without password
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17:38.55Benderinohello everyone, could anyone tell me if it is possible to set a default editing mode in kate?
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17:54.54psicobraHi all hopefully some one can help i am new to kde i have tried the #kubuntu but no one could help i am having problems with the widgets i click add widget then  get more wifgets and click install on one of them but it doesnt work it says it is installed but it is not in the list
17:55.00psicobracan any one help?
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17:56.23Benderinocould you be more specific?
17:56.33Benderinodoes it show up where you want it at all?
17:57.01psicobrano
17:57.26psicobraonce i have clicked install thats it o go back to the list of widgets and it's not there
17:57.59psicobrathen i go back to download widgets and it still says it is installed
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17:59.28psicobraany ideas Benderino
18:02.15Benderinohmm
18:02.25Benderinowhere do you get your widgets from?
18:02.34Benderinois it by using KDE's builtin tool?
18:03.13psicobrayes
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18:03.50cb400fpsicobra: do they appear after restarting plasma?
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18:07.00psicobrasorru guys laptop lost power dodgy lead
18:07.11psicobraany who plasma has just been restarted
18:07.27cb400fworks for me.. I just tried simple alarm clock and ptimer
18:08.09cb400fhowever it's a bit "confusing" that they have different names in the get-hot-new-stuff ui than in the widget explorer
18:08.10psicobracan you try EG-sysmon-QC
18:08.19cb400fe.g. ptimer becomes timetracker
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18:08.31cb400fI'm on oooold kde 4.7 though
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18:09.37cb400fit says it's a superkaramba theme
18:10.02psicobraso why is it in the list?
18:10.10cb400fyou may need to install some additional package to get support for nasty old superkaramba themes
18:10.20psicobrai see
18:10.44cb400fhttp://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=114504
18:11.13cb400f.. it appears the guy uploaded it as a plasmoid, even though it's really a superkaramba blast from the distant past
18:11.26psicobrai see
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18:13.26psicobrajust tried sensors and thats not working either
18:14.06psicobrathink that is super karamba as well
18:14.18psicobraOMG!!!!!
18:15.00cb400fsome people just have a special ability to get attracted to the wrong things ;-)
18:15.51psicobrayep thats me all over
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18:16.49psicobrai cant win i used to love kde before 4.x was released then i hated it and went to gnome then the released 3 and ubuntu switched ot unity so i am trying kde again
18:20.19cb400fwins with kde
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18:34.19psicobracb400f, thanks again
18:34.57craigevilplasma-scriptengine-superkaramba - SuperKaramba theme support for the Plasma Workspaces
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18:35.18craigevilwith that installed there is a Superkaramba menu entry
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18:42.31Milkahey, do you know of anything that would allow me to have a launcher like thing around my cursor after a specific action? Say I press all buttons at once and a small launcher circle would appear around the cursor conatining programs I set. KDE 4.7, mint 12
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18:53.33djznThis is how LibreOffice is themed in KDE. Menus have no shadows. Using oxygen-gtk. All other apps are alright. I`m using Arch.  http://imagebin.org/219750
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18:55.52thiagowhat apps are "all other apps" ?
18:56.01djznthiago, all other gtk apps
18:56.11djznlike pidgin, transmission
18:56.22thiagohow do you know it's using oxygen-gtk?
18:56.44Milkahttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=278950
18:56.44djznbecause I isntalled oxygen-gtk and I have set that on gtk theme handling
18:57.01djznthe strange thing is that Fedora is showing the  shadows
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19:00.37Milkadjzn: are you using KDE 4.7?
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19:03.27djznMilka, current kde
19:03.38djznarchlinux
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19:08.24Milkawell anyways, your problem is due to Leon shadow system that does not provide any generic shadow, only a service to help rendering the shadow. It is told to be fixed by using libreoffice-gnome rather than libreoffice and also using oxygen-gtk >= 1.1
19:08.37benjamindaineshow do I run a program as root on login without being prompted for a password?  In Gnome I can do this by running gnome-session-properties as root and adding it there.  Is there a way to do something similar in KDE?
19:08.45rdieterdjzn: (on fedora) do you have libreoffice-kde installed?  (if so, it's using native kde widgets, not gtk)
19:09.28djznrdieter, i have libreoffice-gnome and libreoffice-kde4 in arch.... in fedora i need to check
19:10.03rdieterI just saw you mentioned fedora had the shadows...
19:10.09rdieterthought that may explain it
19:10.11djznyes
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19:12.08Milkabenjamindaines: you should have the executable owned by root (sudo chown root:root program) and set its permissions to 4777 (sudo chmod 477 program) then you should be able to run it, and it will run as root so you simply need to add it to autostart
19:12.36Milkabenjamindaines: what you are trying to do causes a security risk FYI
19:13.27djznrdieter, it doesn`t intefere if I remove libreoffice-gnome, I will check fedora setup
19:13.36benjamindainesbenjamindaines: I'm aware of the security risk, which is why I'm not looking to edit the sudoers file to not ask for a password, which is the simpliest way I'd be able to think of doing it
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19:15.37djznBRB
19:15.38benjamindainesMilka: althought, what's intersting is that there's a script for what I'm trying to run already in rc.d/init.d which is owned by root, however it doesn't run on start up
19:15.50Milkabenjamindaines: read my first answer
19:16.20Milkabenjamindaines: are the permissions set properly?
19:16.37benjamindainesyup, root owned and executable
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19:25.06djznrdieter: mistake! I don't have libreoffice-kde installed on fedora!
19:26.19Milkabenjamindaines: does it have setuid enabled?
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19:27.36benjamindainesMilka: no
19:28.06djznrdieter: installed libreoffice-kde and NOW I GET the problem!
19:28.17Milkabenjamindaines: well it should, try chmod 4777 program (setuid runs the program as the owner even if it is run by someone else)
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19:29.35rdieterdjzn: confirmed, looks like we found ourselves a bug wrt libreoffice-kde
19:30.05djznrdieter:  just uninstalled and it looks perfect now, like you said...
19:30.06Milkabenjamindaines: if it still fails, then setuid is disabled in your system, which is pretty common as this can cause a huge security leak, in this case, you have to run your script from a program that can use setuid regardless of that, a C program should do that
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19:30.16djznrdieter: is it rendering through native widgets?
19:30.31benjamindainesMilka: alright, I'll give that a try and see what happens.  Thanks.
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19:30.50Milkabenjamindaines: use this tutorial if you run into that problem: http://www.tuxation.com/setuid-on-shell-scripts.html
19:30.53Milkawelcome
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19:30.56djzni'm going to arch now to do the adjustments
19:30.59jxjl_good morning, is there any way how to add second panel to plasma netbook, or how to show desktop in taskbar in desktop mode (same way as in netbook mode)?
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19:41.22djznrdieter: removed the package libreoffice-kde4 in arch and it gives me the "native" libreoffice UI, but if I install libreoffice-gnome, it renders correctly under oxygen-gtk, just like in fedora
19:43.12Milkadjzn: have you even read my answer?:D
19:43.29djznMilka, if that was a minute ago, no because I rebooted
19:43.43djznMilka, can you paste it
19:43.57Milka[21:08:23] <Milka> well anyways, your problem is due to Leon shadow system that does not provide any generic shadow, only a service to help rendering the shadow. It is told to be fixed by using libreoffice-gnome rather than libreoffice and also using oxygen-gtk >= 1.1
19:44.59djznyes, that is it
19:45.08Milkathat was 40 mins ago
19:45.28djznok my mind was a bit slow
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19:45.49djzni`m trying to switch to kde
19:45.58djznsorting those issues
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19:59.27phluxugh..for some reason, KDE won't sleep when I close my lid anymore.
19:59.35phluxIt will sleep, however, if I click "Sleep"
19:59.36phlux-_-
20:00.21Milkaphlux: check the power management settings? try closing the lid while unplugged from AC
20:00.54phluxMilka: The power management settings say that it should, and it is currently unplugged (although I have it set to sleep when plugged in also)
20:01.41Milkaphlux: do you have more than one systems to try if it works on the others?
20:02.38phluxMilka: It worked on this one a few days ago..I'm not sure if something related to power management was upgraded or not, but it doesn't make sense that clicking "Sleep," would work, and closing the lid wouldn't, so I doubt it's a permissions issue or something. I honestly don't have another system.
20:03.15Milkaphlux: what distro and KDE are you using?
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20:03.31phluxMilka: Arch Linux, KDE 4.8.4
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20:05.39phluxMilka: The screen turns off, so it's doing something..
20:06.10Milkaphlux: does it matter if you configure it to do something else than sleep?
20:07.22Milkaphlux: and also check ~/.xsession-errors, maybe there is something that can help
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20:08.31phluxI don't have a .xsession-errors, but I'll see if doing something else works
20:08.33phluxone second
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20:13.53phluxMilka: Looks like I was able to fix it by restarting KDE - I saw a verbose message in my terminal that stated something along the lines of "radeonhd: disabling disconnected HDMI" so I imagine KDE still thought I was plugged up to my HDMI source (which would explain not sleeping on lid closing)
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20:14.27Milkaphlux: nice, its solved then :)
20:14.45phluxIndeed :)
20:15.48phluxKDE has come a long way lately. I used it in the 3.5 days (probably sooner than that - FreeBSD 4.x) and hated it when they introduced plasma...runs flawlessly on my new laptop, though!
20:16.27phluxAfter GNOME3 came out, I simply had to move away. Terrible stuff going on there.
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20:20.02AristideHi !
20:20.05Milkaphlux: mint is going right with cinnamon and mate, they are both gnome forks if you are interested, but I like KDE far more than gnome
20:20.12AristideWhere is a Window decoration theme directory in KDE 4.8.4 ?
20:20.46phluxMilka: Honestly, with the amount of work I'm able to accomplish easily on KDE, I don't see myself switching to anything in the near future.
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20:34.29NeuhNeuh^^ Hi again :)
20:34.42NeuhNeuhWhere is a Window decoration theme directory in KDE 4.8.4 (Title bar theme) ?
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20:47.12NeuhNeuh^^ I change my question
20:47.25NeuhNeuhI have download a theme on kde-looks.org in tar file format
20:47.29NeuhNeuhHow put this theme in KDE ?
20:50.59MilkaNeuhNeuh:  ~/.kde4/share/apps/desktoptheme/ (i guess)
20:51.15NeuhNeuhI check
20:51.33MilkaNeuhNeuh: you should anyways use the "get new theme" button and search for the one you want
20:51.35NeuhNeuhOh yeah ty ^^
20:51.42NeuhNeuhMilka: I dont find the theme ^^
20:51.44NeuhNeuhWith this option
20:51.49Milkaanyways, welcome
20:52.07NeuhNeuhOk ty :)
20:52.24NeuhNeuhBut theme don't appear in list :(
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20:52.48NeuhNeuhMilka: It is a «Window Decoration deKorator»
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20:53.54NeuhNeuhOOh non Milka
20:53.59NeuhNeuhDesktoptheme is for widgets theme
20:54.03NeuhNeuhNot for Window Decoration :(
20:54.06NeuhNeuh*no
20:54.27OkitainCouldn't you just visit KDE Look?
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20:55.00NeuhNeuhOkitain: I can't find this theme on Get new theme. This theme can be only find in kde-look.org website
20:55.44crduskhey, where are kate's syntax highlighting configs stored at?
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20:57.42crdusknvm, i found them
20:57.52crduskin /usr/share/kde4/apps/katepart/syntax
20:58.05kdepepoNeuhNeuh, you need to install deKorator first
20:58.20NeuhNeuhkdepepo: Ok
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21:10.36Aristidekdepepo: Sorry but I have Try to install kdecorator package, but I don't find Dekorator in appearance settings :(
21:12.39kdepepoAristide, there should be a "dekorator" decoration appearing in the list of decorations. Then click "configure decoration"
21:12.41AristideOh yeah xD Sorry
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23:10.38Cyb3r-AssassinTheir is a launcher in the panel that I can not get rid of. If you right click remove and at any point change ANY option in task manager settings of the panel and click apply the launcher will come back, or if you reboot it willcome back. The launcher contains dolphin and chrome icons.
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23:12.32kdepepoCyb3r-Assassin, read https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=278724
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