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00:04.01liznevadalooks like a video driver issue
00:05.33liznevadai also have kde 4.8.3 in Fedora 16 86_64 with a craptacular intel HD and sleep works fine
00:06.00brenddieshould I see the same issue using lxde or xfce if its a driver issue?
00:06.45brenddieif i change to a virtual terminal (ctrl-Alt-F2) and run pm-suspend, then wake it up, it works
00:06.51brenddieteh terminal resumes and works
00:07.06brenddiebut as soon as i switch to KDE it hangs the system
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00:07.41brenddiestill responds to SysReq-REISUB so thats how Im rebooting
00:08.03brenddietried turning off power management service
00:08.13brenddiebut still hangs
00:08.33brenddie/var/log/pm-suspends shows a clean resume
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01:12.14almoxarifebrenddie, can you suspend from the login menu?
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01:29.25brenddiealmoxarife, let me try that
01:29.46brenddieat least from CLI on a VT pm-suspend works and resumes OK
01:29.55brenddielxde suspends and resumes Ok too
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01:30.58almoxarifebrenddie, i am thinking you trashed the kde PM backend, guessing
01:31.22brenddiethis is a pretty recent fresh install of kde
01:31.49brenddiefirst thing i noticed power related was that even after selecting "do nothing" when closing the laptop lid it would still suspend
01:32.02almoxarifebrenddie, tried to re-install the meta-package? something missing that should be there?
01:32.07brenddiehad to disable the power management service to stop it from suspending at closing the lid
01:32.45brenddieif you wait for me a minute I'll test the suspend/resume from login screen
01:32.55almoxarifebrenddie, i thought pm allowed for 'ignore lid'
01:33.11almoxarifebrenddie, i will be around
01:33.24brenddieit has a setting to ignore lid but doesnt work
01:33.26brenddiebrb
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01:36.55brenddiealmoxarife, from login screen it suspended ok, resumed but with screen corruption
01:37.21brenddiecould move mouse and select "things" but nothing was legible
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01:43.08brenddiewhat it means that I got screen corruption at login screen?
01:47.45almoxarifebrenddie, sounds more like graphics card/driver issues
01:48.16brenddieany idea why lxde can suspend-resume without any issues?
01:48.36brenddiecan it be compositing related?
01:48.41almoxarifebrenddie, lx is lightttttttttttttttttttttttttt weight
01:49.12almoxarifebrenddie, you could try xrender verses opengl,
01:49.14brenddieyes, and missing some stuff i really like from kde
01:49.47brenddiehmm, i remember I wanted to use compiz a while ago and had to look at the rendered setting
01:49.48almoxarifebrenddie, what os is it?
01:49.53brenddiefedora 16
01:50.17brenddiebtw, will compiz ever work again with kde?
01:50.25almoxarifei installed mint-kde, works flawless, better than ubuntu even
01:50.56brenddiecomposition type is set to OpenGL rigth now
01:51.15brenddiehave heard good things about mint
01:51.17almoxarifetry setting to xrender, not sure if it would matter\
01:51.38brenddiethis is a Quadro 5000M if it matters
01:51.53almoxarifethat good? :)
01:52.23brenddiegot a notice from kwin about some desktop effects that dont work under xrender
01:52.58brenddiequadro 5000m is decent havent stressed it much
01:53.24almoxarifebrenddie, yeap, there would be some, and i believe you can run compiz instead of kwin, never tried it
01:53.40brenddieat least a while ago booted windows and ran some games at full quality with very good performance
01:53.54brenddietried compiz but is broken
01:54.01almoxarifebrenddie, dont trash that partition then
01:54.25brenddiekeeping the windows one for "warranty" support ...
01:54.49almoxarifei decided to compile mplayer, so far not such a huge headache, i am surprised
01:56.09almoxarifebrenddie, if you dont have an aversion to mint-kde, install it, you might be surprises, i would recommend the 'kubunt-low-fat' package , excellent de-bloater
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01:56.49almoxarife'kubuntu-low-fat'
01:57.36brenddieI have some servers on RHEL so I usually run fedora on my laptop
01:57.49brenddiebut will give it a try sooner than later
01:57.52almoxarifethat was greek to me :)
01:58.03brenddieRedHat
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01:58.14almoxarifegot it
01:59.08brenddiefunny, tried reverting to OpenGL and resulted in a cursor on black screen
01:59.18brenddiehad to wait untill reverted aumatically back
01:59.50almoxarifefrom my experience with kde, started with kubuntu, always seemed sluggish, installed mints version and i was amazed, i dont know what they did, but someone seems to like kde, and that is a surprise in itself
02:01.15almoxarifebrenddie, i think you got driver issues, i dont know what the fedora version of 'xorg-edgers' ppa is, but i also solved all my graphics issues with that ppa installed
02:02.05brenddielet me see, i saw a new 300 driver at nvidia
02:02.13brenddiemaybee is at testing
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06:52.59gnumdkHello
06:53.23gnumdkIs there someone using akonadi + cardav successfully since KDE 4.8.3... Here, akonadi is broken, again :-:(
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07:37.18gnumdkHere the carddav bug => https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=299482 ... Bad that minor versions break this kind of stuff :-/
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07:58.29[Enrico]hi there, With kde 4.8 if I make a vertical panel icons don't scale bigger than a fixed size. This size is quite small for a full HD screen. is there a way to increase this? Here you can see what i mean (also note the glitch in the first icon) http://imagebin.org/212327
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07:58.58[Enrico]but the glitch disappear with a logout and login (it appears if I reasize the panel with a very small size)
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08:25.49Reihar===cdssssssklmkjkcndsjkjnknjjnk,cccck,cds
08:26.25[Moviuro][Enrico]: yes, looks like 52 pxl is the limit at which icons stop growing. Weird...
08:27.19[Moviuro]perhaps if you try to put it first as an horizontal panel, get it the width you want and then send it to the side it'll work?
08:27.50[Enrico][Moviuro]: let me try :)
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08:30.44[Enrico][Moviuro]: unluck it doesn't work, but thanks for the try :)
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08:37.25[Enrico]I found the solution http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2010/05/28/panel-icon-sizes-in-kdesc-4-5/ :)
08:38.38[Enrico]It might be a good idea to add an option shortcut in the panel config dialog. it is not obvious where to search
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09:10.05[Moviuro]Is there a keyboard shortcut to have the windows of the current desktop to form a grid ?
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09:15.17hallmanHello, thought I'd ask you people about a problem I'm having wiht Konsole. Basically mouse clicks on the right half of the window doesn't work when I go fullscreen on 1920x1200.
09:15.22hallmanSounds familiar to anyone?
09:16.07[Moviuro]hallman: what does fullscreen mean to you ? how do you get Konsole in fullscreen ?
09:17.25hallman[Moviuro]: I mean either selecting "full screen" in the menu or maximizing in kde or just resizing the window to be "large"
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09:18.14[Moviuro]well, 1920*1080, no such trouble, sorry
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09:18.34[Moviuro]what is your app theme ? bespin, QtCurve, Oxygen ?
09:18.34hallman[Moviuro]: what did you try?
09:18.49hallmanOxygen I believe
09:18.49[Moviuro]Alt+F3, Advanced, fullscreen
09:19.27hallmanHow did you establish that using the mouse of the right half works fine, I mean?
09:20.07hallmanPlease try opening vim, then input a really long line..  :set mouse=a if you don't have it enabled already.
09:20.21hallmanThen clicking the line on the right half of the screen.. works fine for me in other terminals.
09:21.14Adaptee_hallman: when your konsole is in  fullscreen , what is the terminal size by columns x lines ?
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09:22.21hallmanAdaptee_: 382
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09:23.24hallmanOh, sorry, 383x115
09:24.28Adaptee_hallman: Ah, too big.  See https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=285984
09:25.41hallmanStatus: Resolved Fixed
09:25.43hallman?
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09:25.56hallmanOh, sorry. Didn't see the fix version.
09:26.33hallmanWell then.. That's annoying. :(
09:27.50[Moviuro]hallman: weird
09:29.21[Moviuro]my konsole isn't much bigger than 223, so I didn't notice
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09:40.51__efx__Hello
09:41.09nevynhi
09:41.34__efx__there is a bug with python gui since the last update of kde where should I fill in a bug ?
09:42.10__efx__<PROTECTED>
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09:43.06__efx__but I don't which one to choose
09:43.43thiagowhat python gui?
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09:44.16__efx__this happens with tryton client and with spe
09:44.53thiagonever heard of them
09:44.57thiagowhat is the bug?
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09:45.33__efx__when I close a subwindow all the gui closes
09:45.57__efx__and no error is reported
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09:46.16__efx__..to my knowledge
09:47.28[Enrico][Moviuro]: btw i found the solution while you where offline I found the solution http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2010/05/28/panel-icon-sizes-in-kdesc-4-5/ :)
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09:50.06[Moviuro][Enrico]: good :)
09:55.48thiago__efx__: what do those applications use? PyKDE?
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10:51.40fastajamil_1: how do you measure the 1.8GB?
10:51.53fastajamil_1: never mind.
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10:52.07jamil_1?
10:52.26fastajamil_1: I didn't scroll to the end.
10:52.35fastajamil_1: as such I responded to an old message.
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10:52.43jamil_1oh ok np
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10:55.56BluesKajHey all
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11:15.47nettezzzhello
11:15.58nettezzzi have little problem, still unresolved
11:16.50nettezzzhow can i increase the treshold for dragging window border for resizing ? the border is very very tiny and i'm unable to grab it on touchpad
11:17.10nettezzzs/the border/the default treshold/
11:17.23dyrverenettezzz: Try systemsettings. Border theme and advance settings?
11:18.19nettezzzdyrvere: sorry, there's nothing like border theme
11:18.31dyrveretyping Desktoptheme in krunner I think will lead you there Alt+f2 and type it in.
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11:18.56dyrvereSorry, got Swedish Locale, some of the translations are weird :)
11:19.11nettezzzdyrvere: got it
11:19.15dyrvereor windowtheme
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11:19.59nettezzzdyrvere: got it but i can't see that there's possible to increase this treshold .. i hope we understand each other
11:20.21nettezzzdyrvere: i'm not talking about decorations but about the resizing window treshold
11:20.28dyrverelook for it in systemsettings, seem I can't find WindowTheme through krunner.
11:20.29nettezzzwith mouse ..
11:20.54nettezzzdyrvere: i have that module but there's simply not possibility to increase that treshold
11:20.58dyrverenettezzz: The border size that allows you to change it right, it's in Windowthemes.
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11:21.32dyrvereAhh, Decorations.
11:21.43nettezzzha
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11:22.20nettezzzdyrvere: got it .. ``window behaviour'' .. there's border snap zone and windows snap zone set to default 10 pixels
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11:23.03dyrvereAhha!
11:23.13dyrveregood find then, have fun :)
11:23.16[Moviuro]snap zone is for something else
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11:23.33[Moviuro]it is the magnetic area for windows at the border of screen
11:23.51nettezzzno, it's not doing what i want :(
11:24.45[Moviuro]nettezzz: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/05/14/plasma-desktopm26869.png
11:24.58nettezzz[Moviuro]: seems like the increasing takes no affect ... the tiny border (the left, right and bottom) is still very hard to catch for resizing
11:25.06fastaHow can I tell ark about the existence of the xz file format?
11:25.38dyrverefasta: systemsettings filebindings?
11:25.56[Moviuro]nettezzz: window borders -> configure decoration -> border size -> Huge
11:26.21[Moviuro]nettezzz: window decoration -> configure decoration -> border size -> Huge, sorry
11:26.35nettezzz[Moviuro]: yeah, but it cripples the look .. i'd rather increase the dragging (mouse) treshold around border
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11:32.30nettezzzlast Q: is possible to change the method for PM actions like putting to sleep and so ? the current defaults doesn't work very good and i've patched and compiled for my own the PM utils that this build works fine
11:32.36fastaWhat is the purpose of calling something 'Archive Manager' as opposed to 'file-roller' or 'ark'?
11:33.02nettezzzi have to change the powermanagement that it uses this backend instend of default one
11:33.17fastaIMHO, it should list 'Archive Manager' (and when you hover over it, it should list the full path to whatever is being executed)
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11:37.25nettezzzbtw, what distro does bring the best KDE implementation in your opinion ?
11:37.28nettezzzopensuse ?
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11:49.30dyrverenettezzz: I would put my vote on a distro with the least amount of bloatware, so no OpenSUSE IMO. :P
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11:50.16MystKidhello
11:50.32MystKidis there a way to setup the system tray to show all the icons in it without hiding liek half of them
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11:52.07fastaMystKid: yes, configure it.
11:52.14fastaMystKid: right click on it.
11:52.33fastadyrvere: lfs?
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11:53.25MystKidfasta: i did...
11:53.29MystKidthey are hidden
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12:13.22dyrvereOh, he's gone. fasta what about lfs?
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12:21.26dyrverefasta: And about calling them archive manager instead of Ark: There's a Kickoff setting to show Applications Name instead of GenericName :)
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12:23.54fastadyrvere: there's an App for that? Err setting. Which one?
12:24.16fastadyrvere: least amount of bloat.
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12:41.45dyrvereklick on the start-menu button and such fasta.
12:42.20dyrvereshow program with name heh, dunno if same is true with lancelot etc.
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14:15.10fastaWhere can I change the size of the previews (the one that show a small screenshot) you get when hover over some task?
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14:29.55Phr33d0mfasta CONGRATULATIOS! You've won the title of the user that has asked the most questions... EVER!
14:30.02Phr33d0mgives fasta a medal
14:30.25fastaPhr33d0m: are you keeping score?
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14:42.56dyrvereHow do I win the special KDE themed "most questions asked" medal?
14:44.05Phr33d0mdyrvere you have to be like fasta and ask 100+ questions per second : )
14:44.32Phr33d0mbut keep in mind, this is not an easy task and only e few survive till the end!
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14:45.55rindolfHi all.
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15:00.10dyrverePhr33d0m: Oh, ok. Here we go! What is this polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1? :)
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15:05.24fastaPhr33d0m: I got kde configured to my wishes, so I hope I am done :)
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15:06.31jtheuerCan I configure how notifications are displayed? I'd like a more decent way (maybe just a taskbar symbol or a very small window)
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15:15.31premhi.,where is kdeedu svn repository
15:15.43premits missing in http://websvn.kde.org/
15:15.54prem!kdeedu
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15:17.35ahiemstraprem: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu
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15:18.49premthanks ahiemstra
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15:44.19rdieter_workjtheuer: the notification applet is relatively limited in the options it supports, right click -> notifications settings , to see them.  if you want more than that, you're left with patching code or writing your own.
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16:16.44ashi, i want to get repository url for binary clock so that i can clone it, plz help
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16:19.35[Moviuro]Hi all, I have 3 mail accounts and configured them in KMail so that I can read the mails of all 3 boxes but how do I get KMail send the mails once as Mail1, as Mail2 or Mail3 ?
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16:29.27BluesKajas, doubt there's a separate deb/url for a clock , try here , http://kde-look.org/content/search.php
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16:33.21rdieter_workas: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeplasma-addons/repository  look in applets/binary-clock
16:34.21asThanx BluesKaj n rdieter_work
16:36.39jtheuer[Moviuro]: you can assign a default transport to each imap/pop account
16:36.58[Moviuro]jtheuer: how do i achieve that ?
16:37.39[Moviuro]BTW, I'd like to be able to chose when i send (the little arrow) from which account I send the mail.
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16:39.55lelamal_[Moviuro]: as far as I can remember, you have to hold the button down for a couple of seconds, then the option will be shown
16:40.34[Moviuro]lelamal_: it does not work :'(
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16:41.08[Moviuro]the popup menu appears but the selection does not change KMail's behaviour which keeps sending mails from the 1st mail account
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16:53.09fastaHow can I configure the menu I get when I right click on a file? I think the technical term is the service menu.
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17:11.46rdieter_workfasta: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Creating_Konqueror_Service_Menus
17:12.21Marchitosi have a color icon with choqok in systray why? before i had a white one
17:12.44rdieter_workMarchitos: did you happen to change your plasma theme lately?
17:12.49Marchitosyes
17:12.56rdieter_workthat's it
17:12.57Marchitosi restored the original and clean up the cache
17:13.28Marchitosi deleted all in /var/tmp/cache/kdecache-marco
17:13.45Marchitosand deleted all in .kde4/cache-Camera
17:14.20RalfJWhich role does the DM play wrt the cursor? for some reason, since I switched from KDM to lightdm, when opening a menu in a gtk2-based application (firefox, eclipse), the cursor changes from white to black (white is my user setting, black the distro [debian] default). the black cursor is also used when the splash screen is shown.
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17:19.48fastardieter_work: I am just interested in setting it back to the defaults.
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17:20.13fastardieter_work: there is some systemsettings entry *somewhere*.
17:20.41fastaSome kind of built in search engine for configuration words would be really nice.
17:21.06rdieter_workfasta: you'll have to be more specific about what's wrong then.
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17:21.35rdieter_workthere's several components that go into populating what you see when you right click a file
17:21.36fastardieter_work: I removed some entries at some point when I right click on an tar.gz file. I don't remember where I removed them.
17:22.03rdieter_workfasta: how'd you remove them?
17:22.12fastardieter_work: so, there are actions like 'extract here', etc.
17:22.18rdieter_workor is that the part you don't remember?
17:22.30rdieter_workbecause the 'how' is important
17:22.36fastardieter_work: via some standard kde application (likely systemsettings), but I don't remember.
17:22.43makismdolphin -> configure -> services?
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17:23.13rdieter_workgold star for makism , that's likely it
17:23.22fastamakism: yep
17:23.43makismcool :}
17:24.12hedayHow do I make kde's krunner solve symbolic mathematics? I am using gentoo
17:25.28BluesKajheday, didn't know it could solve math probs
17:26.01makismalt + f2 -> settings (the wrench) -> plugins -> calculator? :/
17:26.01fastamakism: or not completely. I put a checkmark next to actions like extract here, but they are not displayed, even after a restart of dolphin.
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17:27.11makismuh :/
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17:27.24hedaymakism: it is checked. i can do algebric problems
17:27.54hedayBluesKaj: it is quite powerful, can even integrate. you can see more at: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Krunner
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17:32.07makismsorry i can't think something else :/
17:32.13BluesKajheday, interesting
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17:35.31hedayBluesKaj: yes, had no idea how powerful krunner is
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17:40.47fastamakism: if I disable and then enable the Compress action, I see the changes without requiring a restart of dolphin.
17:41.09fastamakism: but for the Extract Here action, no.
17:43.37fastaSometimes I only change one system configuration, but it still takes 5 seconds to make the change. Isn't that 4.99 seconds too long?
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17:50.33makismhm, all configuration settings are stored in memory and then, at some point are made volatile - written to disk... maybe something else is going wrong?
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17:51.48fastaShouldn't the extract here thing be a big fat assertion error?
17:52.15fastaI mean, it should hold that when a user adds a service that it is actually added.
17:52.39fastaAre there some very dynamic preconditions or something like that for that to work?
17:52.50fastaSoprano: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - The name org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not provided by any .service files"
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17:53.06fastaI do get warnings like this.
17:53.22thiagoignore them
17:53.27fastaKWidgetItemDelegateEventListener::eventFilter: User of KWidgetItemDelegate should not delete widgets created by createItemWidgets!
17:53.30fastaOr that
17:53.48fastaOr that KMimeTypePrivate::ensureXmlDataLoaded: Missing <comment> field in "application/x-pem-key.xml"
17:53.58thiagothe KWidget one indicates a bug in the code
17:54.01fastaI prefer to have an application crash myself.
17:54.08thiagothe last one is not KDE's fault
17:54.12fastaThat is, it should cleanly exit.
17:54.46fastaIt should say 'dear user, you asked me to do something undefined at line 20 column 10 of file <absolute path>'.
17:55.31fastaPreferably it should then list the EBNF grammar for that file.
17:55.54fastathiago: but do you know why I don't get the 'Extract here' elements?
17:56.00fastaI have ark.
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17:56.51fasta<PROTECTED>
17:57.10fastaIn general all KDE application seem very chatty.
17:57.24fastaapplications*
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17:58.03fastaI'd expect things to get fixed much sooner if such conditions would just call abort.
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18:29.48BoomerBilewhat do i have to do, who do i have to pay, where do i have to go... to get kde to stop setting my resolution to 1024x768 instead of the clearly marked and chosen resolution of 1920x1080... set in multiple places
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18:38.41BluesKajBoomerBile, check system settings>additional drivers , you may have a recommended driver that needs installing or activating
18:38.58fastaHow can I tell icontasks to run a user-defined command?
18:39.28fastaI have a launcher (.desktop file), which does exactly what I want already.
18:39.49BluesKajBoomerBile, correction kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers
18:39.50VertAre there any keyboard shortcuts to switch Activities?
18:40.06fastaBut somehow the author of icontasks thinks he knows better than me what command to use.
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18:40.19LordBimbamVert: meta+Q and meta+tab
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18:40.46VertLordBimbam: Thanks.
18:41.04fastaIt takes more than 300ms for that to come up on my system. Seems sluggish.
18:41.46fastaIt's as if it calls the window creation code instead of just displaying/hiding it.
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20:30.52mephisto_hello everybody!
20:31.07mephisto_lately I'm having a strange error when I log in
20:31.11mephisto_I get " Executable: kdeinit4 PID: 2714 Signal: Aborted (6) "
20:31.19mephisto_Im on kde 8.4.2
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20:46.21Bill-barrierehey why the hell doesnt konqueror/khtml repest css2 page-break-after :/
20:46.38Bill-barriererespect*
20:46.50nettezzzhmm
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20:47.28Bill-barrierework fine in both mozilla and ie
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20:51.17nettezzzstupid Q:, how can use that kind of context search as nepomuk/strigi should provide (if i understand correctly what they do) .. i was using beagle but i turned these new off in the early age of kde 4 and never use again until now
20:52.06nettezzzcan i use it from dolphin ?
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21:06.10lejocelynbishey, what do you use to take notes? Basket isn't maintained any more :(
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23:37.41KWhat_Workwonders if KDE devs actually *USE* kde
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23:44.41germanskioprawcaKWhat_Work: what?
23:45.16germanskioprawcaswitching to one of the other two views won't satisfy you? :f
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23:45.20KWhat_Workif you use the new detail view in dolphin and copy paste to an expanded folder, it always pastes to the current folder regardless of what you selected to paste into
23:45.22tertittenand then put it in the /etc/skel folder for new users?
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