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00:43.15gribouille~/.local/share/local-mail/ is empty. is it normal?
00:43.16aptgribouille: okay
00:46.16dyrveregribouille: I guess, mine is :p
00:47.32gribouilledyrvere, what should it contain?
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00:48.47dyrveregribouille: some software store e-mails there, it's a recommended folder by opendesktop standards IIRC.
00:50.31dyrvereif kmail stores your emails there, it would contain subfolders like /cur /new /tmp
00:51.02gribouilledyrvere, the subfolders exist, but are empty
00:51.05dyrverebut usually I find them in ~/.kde4/ no idea where they are now
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02:16.43omnisighHello
02:16.54omnisigh\away
02:19.00omnisighCan anyone tell me why my  cheese do show me a very sharp and pretty quality picture from my webcam ... but like my light is off in the room !
02:19.37omnisighI am a black silouhette on this ... did someone experienced that on one ASPIRE 7110 laptop ?
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02:29.13cordellmight ask your distros channel. sorry i cant help. I dont have a webcam.
02:30.21Gentoochildomnisigh: do you have an effect enabled?
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02:30.42Gentoochildlike edge detection
02:30.52Gentoochild(don't whether cheese has this, never used it)
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02:34.34omnisighmmmhhhh ... edge detection ... can you develop this please! I am a bit lost
02:39.59omnisighit sounds like you want me to work around the problem
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03:57.16graftokay, so if i want to browse to ~/Downloads, i hit alt-f2 and start typing ~/Dow at which point runner suggests the remainder in grey
03:57.35grafthowever, there is no way to actually complete the string (e.g. with TAB or enter)
03:57.56graftso, the suggestion just serves to taunt me: "Haha, I know where you want to go, but I'm going to make you type it out!"
03:58.02graftwtf
03:59.57mglbgraft: try END key
04:00.19graftblech
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04:10.16The_Ballwhen opening konqueror strace show's it hanging 25 seconds on this syscall:  sendmsg(7, {msg_name(0)=NULL, msg_iov(2)=[{"l\1\0\1@\0\0\0006\0\0\0o\0\0\0\1\1o\0\21\0\0\0/modules"..., 128}, {";\0\0\0http://www.google.com/search"..., 64}], msg_controllen=0, msg_flags=0}, MSG_NOSIGNAL) = 192
04:11.01The_BallHow can I find out what konqueror is signaling?
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04:21.20omidoKonqueror is the best
04:21.38omidoThankyou guys for creating this awesome piece of software
04:25.57DasKreech:-)
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04:27.36albanHi all
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05:32.39The_Ballkded4 oh kded4
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05:58.17FirefisheWhat is the name of the plasmoid widget, similar to Folder View, that let's you see a list of folders, and an open button in the top part of the widget's menu?  Quick Access or something?
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06:18.39B-ZaRFirefishe: quick access
06:19.08FirefisheThanks B-ZaR.  I found it.  I'm using arch and it was eluding me for a bit.
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06:19.18B-ZaRFirefishe: great :)
06:19.31Firefisheyep!  built right up nicely, and I'm using it now! ;)
06:19.47Firefisheit's my favorite plasmode
06:19.50Firefisheplasmoid even
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07:44.36HiryuI have KDE 4.8 (kubuntu). My GTK applications strangely have black backgrounds now... how can I fix this?
07:45.20HiryuI know I can't be the only one having this problem
07:48.06thiagoare they using the Oxygen style?
07:48.20Hiryupresumably
07:48.35Hiryuthat's the setting I have
07:48.36thiagoyes or no?
07:48.39Hiryuit's a bit hard to tell right now
07:48.42thiagook
07:48.48thiagowhen you're sure, come back
07:48.53thiagoor are you saying you can't read?
07:48.58thiago(black on black)
07:49.10HiryuI'm saying I can't read the black on black
07:49.14thiagooh
07:49.18Hiryusome of the buttons do come out white
07:49.31thiagocheck ~/.gtkrc-2.0*
07:49.31Hiryubut in the gtk appearance settings, oxygen is currently set
07:49.33thiagodo any exist?
07:49.36HiryuI've tried other themes
07:49.39Hiryuno luck
07:49.43Hiryuyes one file does, just a moment
07:49.50Hiryu.gtkrc-2.0-kde4
07:50.01Hiryusays qtcurve
07:50.02Hiryuhmm
07:50.29thiagotry unsetting GTK2_RC_FILES variables too
07:50.31HiryuI was experimenting
07:50.41HiryuI just put it back to oxygen
07:51.01Hiryualright
07:51.34Hiryucan I unset it in a terminal and then try to start a GTK application in the same terminal?
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07:52.10thiagoI think so
07:52.21thiagoI don't know if GTK apps get their settings from somewhere else
07:53.05Hiryuthere's /home/hiryu/.kde/share/config/gtkrc-2.0
07:53.08Hiryudidn't know about this file
07:53.15Hiryubtw, the colors come out correct with 4.8 on my laptop
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07:55.23Hiryuso far I've only found one other person with this problem on google. They solved it by reinstalling oxyen for gtk
07:55.26Hiryuthat doesn't solve it for me
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08:10.21MaxHeadRoomhello, anyone know of addons for kde 3.5 that let it have an interface similar to Unity (or Gnome 3 shell, kde plasma active, elementary os...) in other words a full screen launcher/task manager/ tab menu etc
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08:30.04Hiryuthiago: I noticed my laptop had unsupported updates checked, but my desktop didn't. I enabled that, logged out of KDE, logged back in and GTK apps look fine now. Before logging out, I also did an apt-get install --reinstall against my GTK engines (ie, gtk2-engines-oxygen). That may or may not have had anything to do with it
08:31.31thiagook
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08:34.21Hiryujust in case anyone else comes in with kubuntu and kde 4.8
08:35.08thiagoI won't remember
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08:46.31gnumdkHello, recipients completion with akonadi contacts seems broken in KDE 4.8 :-/ Is it working for you ?
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09:20.55marcushi all. it's great that the window switcher is now configurable. but sadly you have remove the old switching behavior where there is a small icon on the bottom corner of each window.
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10:13.37Zaisteranyone awake?
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10:18.38ZaisterDoes anyone know if kdesvn is still being maintained?
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10:20.17aseigoZaister: they had a release late 2010.. no idea if it is still actively maintained. i'd suggest checking their source repository and seeing if there is activity in it
10:21.14ZaisterThat's why I'm askin, the last commit was 13 months ago
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10:37.26yecril71plBug 279407 processed
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10:41.12yecril71plhttp://docs.kde.org/development/en/kde-baseapps/dolphin/command-reference.html#commands-menubar
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10:41.36yecril71plDocumentation for command Create New is insufficient
10:42.04pinotreepatches welcome
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10:43.56yecril71plBug 292570 Submitted
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10:44.42pinotreethe items are dynamic
10:45.08yecril71plYes, I know, but the reader does not :-(
10:45.37yecril71plso that statement is probably also missing.
10:45.52pinotreeas above, "patches welcome"
10:46.21pinotreei'm sure you can be useful in helping with content other than pasting your bug numbers here, right?
10:47.06yecril71plI am sure of that too, but the need to actually build things for patching is overwhelming
10:47.38pinotreepick the docbook, patch it, use meinproc4 to check it and generate html docs from it
10:48.11yecril71plWhat is meinproc4?
10:48.19pinotreea cli tool
10:48.30toskyand docbook is xml, you just need a text editor to change it
10:48.52toskyI think that there are specialized docbook editors around, but I did not investigate
10:48.55yecril71plWow, that is actually something.
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10:49.02yecril71plGood to know.
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10:49.36pinotreewhat about contacting the documentation team?
10:49.55pinotreethese are things they could help you with... if you would have the will to ask them
10:51.02yecril71plI hope I shall manage with that meinproc4 thing, but I will talk to them in case of problems, thanks
10:51.16pinotrees/in case of problems//
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10:55.46yecril71plSo I talked to #kde-docs, FYI they are indifferent
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10:56.26pinotreeyecril71pl: the canonical way is the *mailing list*
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10:58.51pinotree(which is kde-doc-english)
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10:59.07yecril71plYeah, got it too
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11:01.36yecril71plWell, I have got a circular dependency in bugs
11:01.47yecril71plmailto: does not work
11:02.03yecril71plURL shortcut with mailto: does not work
11:02.18yecril71plCreating an URL shortcut is badly documented
11:02.44yecril71plthe shortcut to talk to kde-doc-english is a mailto shortcut
11:02.50pinotree???
11:02.53yecril71plstart over
11:03.18pinotreehttps://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo
11:03.22yecril71pl<URL: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-doc-english >
11:03.39yecril71plsend email to kde-doc-english@kde.org.
11:03.51pinotreesubcribe first?
11:04.04yecril71plSo I follow, and I get no recipient in composer
11:04.05pinotreecopy&paste the url to your email client?
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11:04.27yecril71plBTW, subscribing to mailing lists is a great way to get nothing done
11:04.46pinotreeBS
11:04.59pinotreeare you trying to invent new excuses or what?
11:06.11yecril71plI am trying to write something something useful, instead of devoting my time to reading about unrelated things.
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11:06.40pinotreethen stop making up excuses
11:07.05thiagosubscribe and send your email
11:07.08yecril71plThat was not an excuse, BTW.
11:07.10thiagodon't read unrelated email
11:08.05yecril71plIf the sole purpose of subscribing is to delete everything that comes, what good is subscribing?
11:08.42toskyyecril71pl: not everything, everything BUT the answers to your question
11:09.06yecril71plWhich is nearly everything
11:09.11toskyyecril71pl: moreover, from your discussion, I guess that you could contribute also in the future to other documentation changes
11:10.08yecril71plThat depends whether my first attempt turns out to make any sense.
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11:19.34yecril71plprojects.kde.org is very slow
11:19.43yecril71pl(if that is the way to get the current source)
11:20.08pinotreeit's one, the other is quickgit.kde.org
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11:22.47yecril71plBut the documentation for dolphin is not in the tree
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11:23.18pinotreelike in the 'doc' directory of the kde-baseapps repo?
11:23.47yecril71plWell, I looked for it under dolphin
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11:26.07yecril71plKDE offers to open the docbook with AbiWord
11:26.20yecril71plThis is bound to fail.
11:26.54pinotreekde offers abiword, because abiword registered itself as handler for docbook files
11:26.56toskyyecril71pl: it's abiword that is registered to open docbook, please complain with its developers if you think that it's wrong
11:27.34yecril71plWell, I installed AbiWord because nothing in KDE offers to open docbook files.
11:28.01yecril71plBut AbiWord actually lies.
11:28.03pinotreeany text editor?
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11:28.28yecril71plI think KWrite would be quite good at docbook
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11:28.38yecril71plbut it does not register for it
11:28.42pinotreeit does
11:29.53toskyyecril71pl: on my system, I can see the following handlers for .docbook: KWrite, Konqueror, Arora, winebrowser, Kate, notepad (the one from wine), Opera
11:30.16toskycheck the file associations, I'm sure that they contains more entry for application/docbook+xml files
11:31.46yecril71plSo I can send docbook to KWrite from Dolphin but not from Firefox
11:31.58yecril71plProbably a Firefox integration failure
11:32.00toskysend?
11:32.25yecril71plLike when you open a file type Firefox cannot display
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11:32.59pinotreecomplain to the firefox people for not using xdg specs (properly), then?
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11:33.48yecril71plPerhaps the assumption is that the default handler will do the right thing
11:33.57yecril71plI need to change the default handler
11:34.47yecril71plOK it worked
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11:37.38yecril71plkio_help4(5146): File ' "https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-baseapps/repository/revisions/master/raw/doc/dolphin/index.docbook" ' does not exist.
11:38.25toskyworks for me
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11:39.05yecril71plWell it forks in Firefox, but not in meinproc4
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11:39.32pinotreemeinproc4 works on local files only
11:39.50yecril71plStrange.  How can it process external entities then?
11:40.22toskyit uses the copy on your system
11:40.26yecril71plPerhaps it can’t, but this is strange because the whole XML publishing system is very Web-centric
11:41.32yecril71plxsltproc has no problem with handling URL (other that being able to do it is actually undocumented)
11:42.04toskyyecril71pl:  it uses the copy on your system
11:42.32yecril71plNo "en" localization of "writing-mode" exists.
11:42.49yecril71plI knew it cannot be that easy :-(
11:43.22pinotreeif a documentation is split in more than one single index.docbook file, you need to get all of them
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11:43.55toskyworks for me!
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11:44.11pinotree(but you run meinproc4 always on the index.docbook)
11:44.33toskyyecril71pl: I saved the file that you linked, called meinproc4 index_dolphin.docbook, I have the html files
11:45.20yecril71plAnd I have a hail of error messages.
11:46.01toskyso your system has some problem
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11:46.39yecril71plso pinotree will interpret this fact as "inventing excuses"
11:46.42yecril71plhow nice
11:47.09JackyAlcineI'm loving KDE 4.8 :)
11:47.18pinotreeno, but if you want help, please be more specific than a generic "i have a hail of error messages"
11:47.19JackyAlcineThe new task manager plasmoids are fantastic!
11:48.29toskyyecril71pl: don't misread what is clearly written in IRC logs: the "excuse part" was about the subscription to mailing list - I'm talking about something different now
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11:49.34kralykHi. How does KDE4 detect file type and/or MIME?
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11:49.54yecril71plThe documentation for Dolphin is in one docbook file
11:50.10yecril71plNo "en" localization of "writing-mode" exists.
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11:50.45toskyyecril71pl: which kdelibs version? Self-compiled, or from packages?
11:50.57yecril71plopenSUSE 4.7.2
11:51.21toskyopensuse version?
11:51.25toskyofficial packages?
11:51.26yecril71pl12.1
11:51.32yecril71plofficial update
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11:58.09e01wow, the  kdevelop 4.2 seems to be really nice
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12:11.41yecril71plBug 292579 Submitted
12:12.11annmayecril71pl: about the doc?
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12:12.36yecril71plabout mailto
12:12.43annmaah
12:13.03annmawhy do you tell your bug report number here?
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12:13.33yecril71plBug 292570 is about the doc
12:14.02yecril71plWell, I hope someone would be interested
12:14.14annmathis is a user support channel
12:14.18yecril71pland maybe offer a workaround
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12:14.25annmatell this in #kde-bugs
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12:17.59B-ZaRI want to add a feature to the digital clock plasmoid
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12:19.33annmaB-ZaR: you want to code it?
12:19.37B-ZaRyes
12:19.57B-ZaRjust need to get the source after I get home
12:20.21B-ZaRany idea if it's QML yet or plain Qt?
12:20.41annmathere are 2 components in Digital Clock
12:20.48annmaa lib and the applet
12:20.58annmathey are both in C++/Qt/KDE
12:21.01B-ZaRI want to add a vertical layout
12:21.16annmawhere?
12:21.33annmain the applet itself?
12:21.33B-ZaRI've done a QML plasmoid for that, but I'd rather include it in the digital clock plasmoid
12:22.00B-ZaRso that hours and minutes are shown on top of each other
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12:22.11B-ZaRbetter suited for vertical bars
12:22.23B-ZaR*panels
12:22.45annmahours and minutes in 2 separate lines?
12:22.48B-ZaRyes
12:22.53annmais taht readable?
12:22.57annmathat
12:23.04B-ZaRI think so, have been using it for some time
12:23.15B-ZaRhttps://github.com/bzar/vertical-clock-plasmoid
12:23.18annmapersonally I won't like it
12:23.32B-ZaRI'm doing it for me :)
12:23.38annmawhy don't you submit your applet to kde-look.org?
12:23.41annmaOK
12:23.44B-ZaRit's buggy
12:23.48annmayou did not precise
12:23.55B-ZaRwon't work right with variable size panels
12:23.58B-ZaRtrue
12:24.23B-ZaRI wouldn't mind if the digital clock version would make it upstream though
12:24.32B-ZaRas an option
12:24.32annmaI think not
12:24.39B-ZaRnot as default
12:24.44annmatoo many options are confusing
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12:24.57annmabetter have a separate applet
12:25.01B-ZaRtrue, but the current digital clock is horribly small for vertical panels
12:25.01qwebirc71386hi
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12:25.10annmaso your clock is better
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12:25.19qwebirc71386where can i set the width of icontasks?
12:25.25annmathe digital clock code is in kde-workspace/plasma/generic/applets/digital-clock/
12:25.29B-ZaRit's laid out so the numbers can be bigger
12:25.40B-ZaRannma: thanks, I'll take a look after work
12:26.02annmawhen yo uhave something you can discuss it on plasma-devel mailing list
12:26.13B-ZaRroger
12:26.20annmahave use cases ready
12:26.25annma;)
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12:26.58annmaqwebirc71386: I don't think icontasks is an applet shipped by KDE
12:27.02qwebirc71386where can i set the width of icontasks?
12:27.05annmaqwebirc71386: I don't think icontasks is an applet shipped by KDE
12:27.16annmaask your distro if they ship it as default
12:27.22qwebirc71386with kde4.8
12:27.33qwebirc71386it's default
12:27.33annmano
12:27.35annmadistro?
12:27.47qwebirc71386archlinux
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12:27.58annmadistributions change KDE
12:28.49annmaah sorry
12:28.55annmait is in kdeplasma-addons
12:28.57qwebirc71386but in the kde announcement it said that icontasks is now default with kde4.8
12:29.01annmayes sorry
12:29.10annmait's not default though
12:29.11qwebirc71386np
12:29.13annmait's shipped
12:29.25qwebirc71386it's an plasma-addon
12:29.56annmaso you want to change the width?
12:30.17qwebirc71386yes. i have 14 launchers there, but the width is to big
12:30.27qwebirc71386i can't find where i can change this
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12:30.52annmais your applet in your panel?
12:31.02qwebirc71386yes
12:31.12qwebirc71386shouldn't it be there?
12:31.23qwebirc71386or do i have to use a new panel?
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12:31.53annmano
12:32.04annmaI am trying to figure out what the problem is
12:32.17annmamine takes the square size of icons
12:32.20qwebirc71386fine thx
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12:33.17yecril71plthere is no mailto.protocol; is mailto handling built into krunner?
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12:34.38annmaqwebirc71386: a screenshot would help assess your problem
12:34.54qwebirc71386ok, wait a moment
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12:38.02annmaI don't like the mouse over this applet
12:38.06annmait's terrible
12:38.48yecril71plAre protocols a KDE thing or a FreeDesktop thing?
12:41.30qwebirc71386annma: please have a look http://www.abload.de/img/kde_icontask1j3br4.png
12:42.02yecril71pl"protocol" is not a recognised desktop entry key
12:42.42thiagoKDE thing
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12:54.02qwebirc71386annma: did you have a look at the screenshot?
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13:07.03larsivihow can I make Akonadi not start at KDE startup?
13:07.25thiagodon't run the application that requires akonadi
13:07.42thiagoor turn off the plugin that requires akonadi inside that application, if it has that option
13:09.11larsivithiago: I don't run any such program explicitly
13:09.41thiagowell, either you do and you simply don't know that they need akonadi, or they are run implicitly by other means
13:09.58thiagocheck krunner, for example, or the alarm daemon
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13:10.04thiagomaybe plasma's clock has a calendar integration
13:10.04B-ZaRdo you have a clock on your desktop?
13:10.17B-ZaRtook the words from my mouth
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13:10.37yecril71plThe interface between KRun and protocol configuration files is undocumented, is it?
13:10.55thiagoyecril71pl: probably "documented in the source code"
13:11.03larsiviB-ZaR: I have the clock on kicker. I suppose the alarm deamon could be running
13:11.45yecril71plWell, in that case I have to give up.
13:12.58thiagoyecril71pl: what happens if you run kmailservice
13:13.11thiagokmailservice mailto:foo@bar.com
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13:14.12yecril71plkmailservice works
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13:14.44thiagothen it's probably inside kdelibs
13:15.04yecril71plkrunner says "run with kmail -caption %c"
13:15.14BluesKajHey all
13:15.41yecril71plI hoped to find this little thing in a configuration file
13:16.02yecril71plbut I have no idea where to look
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13:17.41annmaqwebirc71386: sorry I was on the phone
13:17.45thiagowhat happens if you click on that a link like that from rekonq or konqueror?
13:17.48thiagodoes it open correctly?
13:17.50annmaqwebirc71386: try adding a spacer maybe
13:18.02qwebirc71386how can i add a second panel?
13:18.18annmaright click on the desktop -> Add panel
13:18.49qwebirc71386found it
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13:22.12yecril71plthiago: <URL: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=285758#c2 >
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13:23.21thiagoyecril71pl: does it happen with xdg-open?
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13:25.36yecril71plxdg-open just runs kioclient exec
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13:25.50yecril71plI checked kioclient exec
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13:27.22ironfroggyDoes anyone else use the RTM plasma widget? it seems hang very often.
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13:29.59annmaironfroggy: hang how?
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13:33.46ssureshotI want devices to automount but I don't want the applet to ask me what to do with the automounted media.. how can I do this?
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13:34.18ironfroggyannma: it shows the refreshing animation and won't open. seems like it will only ever load once, work for a bit, but the first time it tries to refresh the list it hangs
13:35.59annmatry running it in plasmoidviewer
13:36.24annmaI had an account but I am not sure I remember it
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13:42.54annmaironfroggy: I can't even login!!!
13:42.58chetnickUpgraded to KDE 4.8, everything seems to be fine except the panel icons. They are huge. http://i.imgur.com/5dEuU.jpg
13:43.06annmaeven though I know my username and password
13:43.40chetnickannma: did you try logging in from VT?
13:44.15annmaVT?
13:44.36annmachetnick: I am talking about RTM plasmoid
13:45.36chetnickannma: ah ...  never mind then.
13:46.39annmaironfroggy: this applet is quite broken...
13:46.46ironfroggyannma: i'm noticing that :-/
13:46.59annmaI login, the dialog says so then the applet says login failed
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13:47.23ironfroggyannma: did you click the button at the bottom of the login page that opens, after logging in at the RTM website?
13:47.27annmaI guess someone made this applet then disappeared...
13:47.31annmaironfroggy: yes
13:47.52ironfroggyannma: thanks for triyng to help confirm my report. you've confirmed, at least, that this widget isn't reliable.
13:48.12annmaclicking 'login failed' does nothing
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13:49.12annmaah ah
13:49.34annmain fact I get 5 config dialogs that I am authenticated!!!
13:49.39bastiHi, where excatly does kmail2 store my mail ?
13:49.41annmathey went below the rest
13:50.09bastifirst kmail2 did not start, now all mail seems to be gone !?
13:50.54bastican anyone point me to the folder where the mail is stored ?
13:51.05annmaironfroggy: the busy cursor keeps turning
13:51.13bastior is it stored inside a database instead of files like it used to ?
13:51.37ironfroggyannma: i'm giving up
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13:52.04ironfroggyi didnt like the widget itself so much anyway (sends all new tasks to the inbox, instead of the current list.. that's a little unintuitive)
13:52.04annmayeah
13:52.16ironfroggymaybe if i get annoyed enough i'll try my hand at widget makin'
13:52.43annmayeah
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13:54.30annmaI try to fix small applets but I don't have time for this one
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14:26.20yecril71plI think I was wrong assuming that protocol files are used to dispatch resources to applications.
14:26.53yecril71plApplications are dispatched by media type, not by protocol.
14:27.05yecril71plThat is the theory.
14:27.15yecril71plSo what is the media type for mailto:?
14:28.32thiagothat's a protocol
14:28.36yecril71plAnd, given the above, how does it happen that http is displatched to Firefox, and the media type is not checked?
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14:28.45thiagoit doesn't point to a file, so it has no media type
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14:29.06yecril71plSo it must be more complicated
14:29.12thiagoyes
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14:30.07yecril71plalthough you could say that it points to a resource of type message/rfc822
14:30.21thiagonot really...
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14:30.28yecril71plWhy?
14:30.44thiagoa resource of that type exists. It's a mail. It's opened not in the kmail composer, but in the kmail message viewer.
14:31.31yecril71plWell, it is KMail to decide.  Sometimes it opens in composer.
14:31.43yecril71plLike when opened from Drafts.
14:32.21yecril71pl(I also had an issue after migration in that KMail would open every message in composer)
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14:56.53yecril71plI set the e-mail client to mailx '%t' but it did not change the behaviour of mailto
14:57.07yecril71plstill opens KMail
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14:58.36n2diyWhile running korganizer, when I mouse over an appointment, todo, etc, the info ballon is a black backround, with black text, how can I change one of the colors?
14:58.57dyrvereyecril71pl: No in-browser settings then?
14:59.11yecril71plWhat in-browser settings?
14:59.55dyrveren2diy: You change those settings in the systemsettings>Program Appereance>color settings I guess.
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15:00.14yecril71plOTOH, switching the HTTP client to per-type changed Firefox to Konqueror for http.
15:00.39n2diydyrvere, in only happens with korg, my desktop mouse overs are ok.
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15:04.25dyrveren2diy: Sorry, can't help, my korg seem to not work at all today :S shows nothing in calendar view.
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15:06.10dyrverewait scratch that, what type of event is it about when showing with a black background? All kinds or just one type?
15:07.45desti_T2is updating from kde-4.7.3 to 4.8.0 safe without losing the settings?
15:08.19dyrveren2diy: For me it only shows those with the same color I have set at top color for tooltips in color settings. Have a gander at that one.
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15:09.43e01desti_T2: i was upgrading successful without settings losing
15:10.23dyrveredesti_T2: if kmail was already up to date in that version, it should be 100% safe, yes.
15:10.28desti_T2ok, will give it a try too
15:11.04desti_T2yes, i did transition from kmail 1 to 2 with the update to 4.7
15:11.27dyrveredesti_T2: What settings were you worried about?
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15:12.32desti_T2mostly the mail stuff, panels ect. could be recreated within some minutes, that's not a big deal
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15:43.25n2diydyrvere, I don't have a tooltips setting, I'm running Xubuntu 11.04. I've been through all of korg's menus, and /.kde looking for a way to change colors, but no joy.=
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16:09.33|ntz|hello
16:11.37|ntz|i have a weird issue .. my kde are not longer able to read a cpu statistics .. they see 0 processors althought everything looks fine and other programs work fine
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16:15.16dyrveren2diy: Then what you do is go to kde-look.org and find a color scheme similar to your desktop theme and put the .colors file into /home/user/.kde4/share/apps/color-schemes and hope for the best.
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16:16.02dyrvereSorry, I passed out after a whole week of welding :p sleepy.
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16:22.13N9NUhttp://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-active-two/
16:22.24N9NUanyone know what that is.....the link on kde.org is missing
16:23.16transylvaniaHi everybody, I experience something odd with akonadi (kde 4.6.5 debian sid): I notice a flat 2.6 Mbps network traffic between my workstation and my mysql server. Dumping it lead me to a lot of akonadi <=> mysql traffic every few minutes (without doing anything on the workstation). Is that normal ?
16:23.31yecril71pldyrvere: my computer passed out for 90 min in DrKonqi for KHelpCenter
16:23.48B-ZaRN9NU: a desktop for tablets and such, based on KDE and Qt Quick
16:23.58N9NUah ok....thank you
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16:27.29FirefisheI just installed kde 4.8.0 / arch linux.  I notice I have no opacity control in my window menu.
16:29.10dyrvereyecril71pl: No idea what to say about that :p
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16:33.40yecril71plWell, that was meant as a consolation
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16:37.00AlbertoPhello
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16:39.43yecril71plBug 292606 Submitted
16:40.17AlbertoPI have an issue with kmail2: it just lost all my email (pop3). Is there any hope it's still stored somewhere?
16:40.34yecril71plin .kde4/apps/kmail
16:40.49yecril71pland ask #kontact
16:41.12Gentoochildyou can find it in your backup *scnr*
16:41.13AlbertoPok thanks, but that directory does not exist
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16:41.20AlbertoPGentoochild: that I know :)
16:41.21Gentoochildit's .kde4/share/apps/kmail/
16:41.40Gentoochild(/share was missing)
16:41.45AlbertoPthank you
16:41.46chrisgeorgeHopefully a quick question. After upgrading to KDE 4.8, konsole no longer finds the running ssh-agent. Is there anyway to fix this?
16:42.37AlbertoPugh, it's gone for good... that dir has only one file with 3 lines :\
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16:42.48GentoochildoO
16:43.14AlbertoPa dir called "autosave" and a text file called "lock
16:43.14Gentoochildthere was a report on the Gentoo user mailing list of someone losing his stuff. but AFAIR that happened when he tried to move mail around
16:43.40AlbertoPnot my case, I just shut kontact off, and when I re-opened it, nothing :(
16:43.40Gentoochildwhat about share/apps/kmail2?
16:44.02AlbertoPthat's where I am looking at, I do not have "kmail", just "kmail2"
16:44.03yecril71plAlso, did you run migration?
16:44.22AlbertoPyecril71pl: yes, when I updated openSUSE from 11.4 to 12.1
16:44.27GentoochildI have both folders, I always suspected that I still have the kmail folder because that folder originates from KDE3
16:44.42yecril71plDid migration succeed?
16:45.10AlbertoPyes, I imported the mail folder rather than relying on the automatic import
16:45.24AlbertoPstuff worked fairly well for nearly two months
16:45.39yecril71plWhere did you import it to?
16:45.44AlbertoPhmm
16:45.59AlbertoPlet me try to remember :-?
16:46.00Zenguy_pccan someone walk me through compiling a branch of gwenview?
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16:47.45AlbertoPthis is weird
16:47.55yecril71plZenguy_pc: #kde-devel
16:48.18AlbertoPI restarted kontact, and it gave me a "restore session" message. Now I can see email, but it did not do this before.
16:48.28AlbertoPIs there a way I can backup all mail btw?
16:48.54yecril71plJust back all your data up.
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16:49.36AlbertoPyeah I do that, but I was wondering if there is a way to export email to a tar for example... it's not that fun to look for the many folders KDE uses ;-)
16:49.37yecril71pl(your provider should back up your IMAP mail themselves)
16:50.09yecril71plNow you know where it is, so what is the problem?
16:50.13Zenguy_pcyecril71pl: thanks
16:50.15yecril71plIt is in ONE folder.
16:50.48AlbertoPyes, and it would be one option too...in a menu :)
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16:52.21yecril71plThe theory behind not having such an option is that you normally want to back up more than just e-mail
16:52.37yecril71plso having such an option would be a distraction
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16:55.44benkevanhow can I move my panel to the left side of my screen?
16:56.03yecril71plUnlock it and move it.
16:56.28benkevanyecril71pl: it it keeps just moving the widgets
16:57.29AlbertoPyecril71pl: well yes, but given that now kontact uses a database and quite a complicated infrastructure, I think it would be a good idea to have a single place where you click and get a backup/restore functionality... that's just an idea, of course :)
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16:57.43benkevanoh, I think i have to click on the screenedge haha
16:58.01benkevanhave to wait for kde to become responsive again.. oh.. ok there it goes.
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16:58.24benkevansweet.. thanks.. a fea things aren't readable (i.e., date / time).. but I'll move that to a widget and be happy
16:58.32yecril71plI have no idea why backup/restore should be specific to Kontact or Akonadi.
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16:59.09yecril71plIf you back up your data, you back up both, and other things too.
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16:59.40benkevanhummm.. any way to increase the size of the date
17:00.00yecril71plMake the panel wider?
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17:01.33benkevanyecril71pl: i'm talking about a widget on the desktop not in the panel.. proportion wise it's a bit off.
17:02.27yecril71plWhen you select the widget, there is a side bar with operators
17:02.33yecril71plOne of them resizes IIRC
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17:25.23quuphi, I'm new to kde and must have messed up some config, when I open a link through konsole I get two tabs in firefox. In Default Applications -> Web Browser I have open in the following browser: firefox -new-tab %u
17:26.17yecril71plI have just firefox there
17:26.50quupmaybe %u is appended automatically then
17:27.07quupthat was it
17:27.13quupnow it works like it should
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17:49.07n2diydyrvere, .kde4!? I was looking in .kde! ah ha, thanks.
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17:50.23n2diydyrvere, .kde4!? I was looking in .kde! ah ha, thanks.
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17:54.44ykmi have done a kde 4.7.4 installation on arch linux.....facing problems
17:54.46ykmhttp://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w450/ykm29/2012-01-27-230656_1024x768_scrot.png
17:54.51ykmany idea?
17:56.32triunewas gonna ask... "file X was opened and contained too long lines (more than 1,024 characters). Too long lines were wrapped and the document is set to read-only mode, as saving will modify its content."
17:56.51triunebut it seems like Kate in 4.8 allows you to set the maximum line size
17:57.00triuneup to 1,000,000 characters
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17:57.41triunedon't need more than that now, but could see it being a problem for some xml files with base64 encoded data in the future
17:57.47triuneany plans to up this limit?
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18:19.12meph84question: I have set up a custom panel on the upper edge of my screen. I want it to always stay under any maximized windows, so I would only see it when everything is minimized and I'm looking at desktop. But whenever I hit upper edge with my mouse pointer, the panel pops up. I want it to stay hidden. Any way to do that?
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18:25.53Gentoochildmeph84: hm... I just tried through the options, but my bottom panel doesn't even hide behind a window right now :-/
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18:29.13meph84Gentoochild: all I found is the option to allow other windows to be on top of the panel, and it works quite nicely... except for that annoying popup :/ can't get rid of it
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18:29.42Gentoochildhm... if you use it for starters, you could try a quicklaunch applet on the desktop
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18:32.36meph84I use keyboard shortcuts for almost everything, so unfortunately no... I want to have some random widgets there, but you just gave me an idea to put them directly on desktop :) perhaps they don't need to be on a panel at all
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18:49.23ZaisterHm, knotify4 is hogging my CPU at 85% Why is that?
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18:54.06yecril71plgrave bugs and common pitfalls: none known
18:54.19yecril71pl<URL: http://www.kde.org/info/4.7.4.php >
18:54.24yecril71plhow sweet
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19:00.39twois10i have a weird issue (openSUSE 12.1, kde 4.7.4) where firefox/seamonkey dont load when the icon is clicked from menu or taskbar, but works when run from command line
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19:03.34timmytgirls, what's this theme? http://opendesktop.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/147844-1.png
19:04.13graftfugly
19:04.31timmytfugly?
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19:15.24graftwow 4.8 is out?
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19:16.37yecril71plAnybody competent to answer?
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19:20.01transylvaniaanyone for my akonadi mysql network traffic ? should I repost ?
19:20.36whiloi like activities a lot, but systray apps always bork them. launching an app on some activity and minimizing it to the systray will always switch back to this activity, which is not what i expect from a systray app (otherwise it shouldn't show up on this activity imo)
19:20.37timmyti have downloaded a theme (its name is onion). in the downloaded file there are only one .colors file and a .qtcurve file. how to use this thing?
19:21.15quebrefrom where i can get additional fonts for KDE, so i can have larger choice of fonts when selecting it for console ?
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19:21.20quebrethe default choice is very tiny..
19:21.31whiloi know that systray is legacy, but i cannot customize the panel launchers for different activities to mimic something similiar
19:21.36Torchquebre: KDE does not ship fonts. ask your distro (hint: use any truetype font)
19:21.51quebreTorch: but where i load them so KDe can see it ?
19:22.32Torchquebre: your system settings might have a font management module under system administration
19:22.41Torchquebre: if it does not ask your distro ;-)
19:22.47quebreTorch: ok thanks
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19:25.18quebreTorch: i launched Font Installer from KDE, it show me really many fonts.. so why the Konsole doesn't see them all ?
19:25.35Torchquebre: konsole probably only offers fixed-spaced fonts
19:25.48Torchquebre: while the font management module shows proportional ones too
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19:30.20whilocannot configure kwin for systray apps to automatically show them on all activities
19:30.38whilohow do you handle that? no systray at all when using activities?
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19:35.17BluesKajwhilo,  add system tray in add widgets
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19:38.29whiloBluesKaj: i mean the problem i mentioned before, that apps minimized to systray are bound to an activity, so when i click them on a different activity i switch back
19:38.36whiloto the initial activity
19:38.42whilothis is not what i expect
19:38.57whiloi would like to have systray apps on all activities by default
19:39.06whilokwin does not offer rules for it either
19:39.14whiloi can't be the only one being bothered by that
19:39.38mgraesslinminimizing apps to systray is broken by design. Just don't do that
19:39.39BluesKajok whilo sorry i misunderstood ...not an actitvities user
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19:40.56Gentoochildtimmyt: that theme file obviously is a qtcurve theme
19:41.10Gentoochildqtcurve itself is a theme for Qt which you must install.
19:41.30Gentoochild(I've been using it myself since KDE3 times)
19:41.46timmytGentoochild, well, how? idk how to do this
19:41.55Gentoochildwhat distro are you using?
19:42.53timmytGentoochild, debian stable
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19:43.10whilomgraesslin: i know, i would prefer to have the smart launcher (which is hidden when the app is launched) on each activity with the apps  i need
19:43.24whilomgraesslin: but anyway writing a rule to move apps to an activity would be nice imo
19:43.29Gentoochildok, then fire up synaptic (or whatever program you use to install new packages), and install qtcurve.
19:43.36Gentoochildwait a second, I'll start my virtual debiam
19:43.38Gentoochildn
19:43.49timmytGentoochild, allright
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19:45.21Gentoochildwell, my virtual debian is Lenny, so the package may have a different name. anyhoo... look for qtcurve-qt or simply qtcurve
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19:45.37quupwith ktorrent I get "Error: Could not connect to host localhost" but the tracker does resolve using 'host'
19:45.40Gentoochild(methinks there was also a qtcurve-gtk)
19:46.01timmytthat's qtcurve Gentoochild
19:46.03Gentoochildok
19:46.11Gentoochildso once you have installed it, go to system settings
19:46.14whilomgraesslin: can you seperate irc, kontact and amarok for each activity yet? atm. they are shared with all activities for me
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19:46.30mgraesslinwhilo: I don't use activities
19:46.35timmytok,n then?
19:46.42whilomgraesslin: huuh, weird
19:46.54whiloaren't you involved in plasma active as well?
19:46.58Gentoochildtimmyt: → general appearance, appearance of applications → style (or "theme"? I'm on a German localisation).
19:47.17Gentoochildand there you can select your widget style, which is Oxygen by default.
19:47.50mgraesslinwhilo: yes, but I hardly use the tablet and on the desktop I don't use activities
19:47.53Gentoochildchange that to qtcurve and click on the configure button next to it. In the opening dialogue, you should be able to import that theme you were asking about.
19:47.55timmytalright
19:48.38GentoochildI guess the colour file is for the colour theme part of system settings, so they are two separate files which go together.
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19:48.47BluesKajQtCurve is ok so far , just started using it
19:48.48whilomgraesslin: this is sad, they are really handy, the concept is just not 100% integrated
19:49.03Gentoochildthough it has some colour options for tinting effects, qtcurve itself has no colour options as such
19:49.04timmytGentoochild, yeah
19:49.54GentoochildBluesKaj: I've never used anything else. Oxygen is OK in some parts, but annoying in others. I set qtcurve to a totally square and flat appearance, looks very old school :)
19:50.25Gentoochild(except for the slanted, animated stripes in progress bars)
19:50.29BluesKajGentoochild,  got a srnsot ?
19:50.39Gentoochildhm...
19:51.00BluesKajjust curious , Gentoochild
19:51.04Gentoochildnp
19:51.09Gentoochildneed to make one quick
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19:51.19BluesKajno hurry
19:51.44Gentoochildyes hurry, I want to go to a friend's :)
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19:52.32Gentoochildgrrr every time I want to upload an image I search for a hoster from scratch
19:52.43BluesKajimagebin
19:52.49Gentoochild.ca?
19:53.01Gentoochildwas myfirst try, but didn't load
19:53.27Gentoochildaaah org
19:53.44BluesKajyeah
19:54.17Gentoochildhttp://imagebin.org/195915
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19:54.49GentoochildI switch the decorator from time to time... between Crystal, QtCurve and Plastik
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19:55.02Gentoochildright now I'm in a Plastik period
19:55.05Gentoochild:)
19:56.03Gentoochildthe only thing I'm missing right now is that I can't disable the raised inner border in combo boxes and buttons, so they appear completely flat
19:56.05quebredoes k3b have lightscribe support ?
19:56.29Gentoochildok I'm off, but I'll be back in 10-15 minutes
19:56.40Gentoochildyou can then tell me how much you like my theming ;-)
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19:57.58BluesKajGentoochild,  , very similar to mine except for the colour , http://imagebin.org/195918
19:58.10timmythow can i make my theme transparent, like this : http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Dark-Translucent?content=128877
19:58.13timmyt?
19:58.44BluesKajyou might have to ctl - to bring the page into the proper size depending your screen size
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20:01.32whilomgraesslin: is there some ui concept to succeed the systray for plasma?
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20:02.17mgraesslinwell apps just don't belong there, they should be minimized
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20:16.21whilook, so i guess the task manager should be activity aware, then we could have launchers for common apps as well as activity specific ones
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20:43.02EvilMachinehello. say guys, is there a way to add a little plugin or whatever to kwin so that i can do Super+MouseX for certain things, like close a program with Super+Mouse3 (the wheel or was that 2?)?
20:43.35EvilMachinei mean a script plugin. like one would do in firefox
20:43.58EvilMachinei also need another one to force windows to certain positions, sizes and modes (like always on top of fullscreen)
20:44.17EvilMachinebecause i try to finally switch from compiz.
20:44.34mgraesslinEvilMachine: kwin is much more powerful than compiz in that regard
20:44.43mgraesslinthere are static window rules, but also dynamic scripts
20:45.36mgraesslinmouse shortcuts are tricky, there you would have to map the mouse button to a keyboard key
20:46.27EvilMachinemgraesslin: ouch. :)
20:46.48EvilMachinemgraesslin: it would be really great if it was more powerful.
20:47.04mgraesslinit is :-)
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20:47.26EvilMachinebut the stuff i can configure in the system settings (the shortcuts) don't let me do anything but a very limited subset.
20:47.57EvilMachineit would be cool if you could tell me how to use the full power of kwin
20:48.08mgraesslinEvilMachine: have a look e.g. at http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/KWin/Scripting
20:48.14chetnickUpgraded to KDE 4.8, everything seems to be fine except the panel icons. They are huge. http://i.imgur.com/5dEuU.jpg
20:48.14EvilMachinescripting things, setting rules, etc
20:48.33EvilMachinechetnick: a dpi thing?
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20:49.41chetnickEvilMachine: icons grow infinitely with panel.
20:49.50mgraesslinEvilMachine: for positioning windows: http://userbase.kde.org/KWin#You_want_an_application_to_launch_in_a_specific_size_and_position_every_time
20:50.05EvilMachinemgraesslin: hey, at first glance that looks great! so basically i can do *everything*. i could theoretically even make the windows fly around like monsters in a game. (not that i wanted. ;)
20:50.30mgraesslinEvilMachine: yes, the author of the feature used it to play pong
20:50.37EvilMachinelool
20:50.48EvilMachinemgraesslin: there's no gui for all that stuff though, right?
20:51.16mgraesslinfor scripting there is one in current master (that is 4.9)
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20:51.25EvilMachinei think it would be nice if i could at least have the shortcuts in the normal system settings list. but it doesn't allow certain ones like the mouse ones.
20:51.42mgraesslinas said: map them to keyboard keys
20:51.46EvilMachinemgraesslin: hmm… that looks promising
20:51.48mgraesslinor try the mouse shortcut system
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20:52.22zemokdepepo: ping
20:52.37EvilMachinemgraesslin: aren't the keys of the mouse already a generic "keyboard" to X?
20:52.45kdepepohi zemo
20:52.46mgraesslinno
20:52.50mgraesslinthey are a mouse
20:53.00zemokdepepo: cant start kmail: http://privatepaste.com/30906f1d76
20:53.04zemokdepepo: any hint?
20:54.02EvilMachinemgraesslin: hmm, i thought to the kernel and modern xorg, they were all just event devices with keys, buttons and axis, and so it would make no difference.
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21:14.19EvilMachineholy… wow! with that scripting API I could port my JS/HTML5/Canvas game to a Plasmid in one evening! nice work! i didn’t know there was such a big api!
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21:28.53feepis there any way or plugin to configure kdevelop to send a sequence of keys to its embedded konsole window when some key is pressed?
21:28.58feeplike, say, F9 -> "arrow-up return"?
21:29.31feepI prefer a terminal for compilation, but having to select it with the mouse for every rebuild gets annoying
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21:37.31feepokay, looks like kdevelop exports a qdbus interface for sending text to the console
21:37.36feepthis could be just what I'm looking for
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21:47.49feepnew question
21:47.55feephow do I use sendText on konsole to send an arrow-up?
21:48.00feep\033[A doesn't work.
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21:52.48feepnvm, got it too
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21:57.13yecril71plupdate: kmailservice is a KDE3 thing
21:57.28yecril71plI have it only because I have KDE3 in /opt
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22:06.54feepokay, how can I save the currently active document in kdevelop?
22:06.57feepfrom qdbus
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22:15.21feephttp://paste.pocoo.org/show/541837/ :D
22:15.24feepcarry on everybody
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22:34.44alexandrВсем привет))) KDE 4.8 поставили?
22:36.01thiagodid not understand the most important word in that sentence
22:36.09thiagoassuming you asked "released", the answer is "yes"
22:37.24Webfantom:)
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22:43.05genfoolpermission issue? not sure how to troubleshoot.  If I open dolphin and go to one of my other drives installed, it ask for root password and fails .... if I use kdesu dolphin and enter root password is fine .... any clues where to look?
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22:48.41yecril71pl"поставили" means both "delivered" and "installed", so the question was actually ambiguous.
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22:49.29Schrodinger`Cati'm searching a way to enlarge the area where the mouse pointeur can "catch" the side of a windows, without enlarging the size of the windows border, how i can do it ? thanks
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22:50.02Schrodinger`Catfor changing the size of the windows :)
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22:59.23Schrodinger`Catnobody ? :/
22:59.27Schrodinger`Catmiaou !
22:59.51Schrodinger`Catim searching searching, nowhere i found the solution
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23:06.37yecril71plThe border is a visual indication of functionality.  If you change the functionality without changing its visual indicator, you confuse yourself and everybody.
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23:14.59Schrodinger`Catyecril71pl: :/ thanks quand meme :
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23:21.18VaterGarpThis is a Qt question but rather user oriented so I thought I'd ask here
23:21.33VaterGarpPretty much all my Qt applications are in English even though my language in KDE is set to German
23:21.50VaterGarpThat is: right clicking somewhere in the application will give me an English context menu
23:22.11VaterGarpWhich regardless of the state of the application's translation should be German as well, right?
23:22.26VaterGarpI know it used to be German a few weeks ago
23:22.54VaterGarpAnd I haven't found information on where to explicitly set the language for Qt applications if that is even possible
23:23.27kdepepoVaterGarp, Qt should respect LANG, while KDE has its own var (KDE_LANG, afaik)
23:23.28VaterGarpI've tried starting the application I'm mostly concerned about using something like this:
23:23.36VaterGarp(export LANG=de_DE.UTF-8; qtparted)
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23:24.14VaterGarpAnd LANG is set correctly anyway
23:24.20VaterGarpAs 'locale' tells me
23:26.54VaterGarpRunning 'qtconfig' with LANG correctly set should run it in German, right?
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23:28.53VaterGarpUnfortunately this is not only an annoyance since an application of mine relies on the date format to be German
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23:29.16VaterGarp(stupid, I know, but that's how the database has been filled for many months, I cannot change that back easily)
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23:31.29pinotreeVaterGarp: ask in #qt
23:31.50VaterGarpOk
23:32.03VaterGarpI was a bit afraid of asking those hardcore developers how to change my language settings
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23:32.20VaterGarpBut well
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23:38.11sjraarkeWhat does akonadi_agent_launcher do?
23:38.37sjraarkeI have one that keeps a core at 100%
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23:47.52yecril71plakonadi_agent_launcher launches Akonadi agents ;-)
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23:49.59ath1I'm using opensuse 12.1 with kde 4.7.2. How can I put a file on the desktop, like in gnome?
23:53.56yecril71plath1: drag the file to the desktop widget
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23:54.36ath1yecril71pl: I have none, I clicked it away.
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23:55.15yecril71pladd it to the desktop
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23:55.57yecril71pladd the desktop widget to the desktop
23:56.18ath1dont know how
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23:56.40yecril71plDid you read the manual?
23:57.04ath1no. Should it be intuitive the use?
23:57.15ath1*shoudnt
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23:57.46yecril71plHow would you expect it to work?
23:58.46ath1click on file in dolphin, drag it to the desktop, drop it. Like in gnome.
23:58.46einar77ath1: press alt-f2, type "dolphin" and you'll get the file manager in your home dir
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23:59.06einar77ath1: it works like that in fact
23:59.12einar77you can choose to have an icon, or a folder view
23:59.34einar77ath1: but to be sure
23:59.36ath1got it
23:59.47einar77you want to *copy* a file to the desktop folder, or have a shortcut?
23:59.57ath1copy

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