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01:07.08notigreetings all.  having a persistent issue with fedora16/kde.  i use 4 virtual desktops in a single activity.  clicking anywhere on the open desktop always switches back to virtual desktop 1.  trying to disable that functionality >_<
01:07.22notii tried creating a new linux user (thus a fresh .kde settings folder), and the same behavior persists
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01:41.18RightSaidFredHey all. Somehow I crashed my desktop, after rebooting no matter which account I log in on, when a sound is made via knotify4 it repeats over and over and over again non-stop unless I kill knotify4. Anyone have any idea how to fix that,.
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01:55.58RightSaidFredI forget to mention distro and version. Kubuntu Maverick KDE 4.6.0 Somehow I crashed my desktop, after rebooting no matter which account I log in on, when a sound is made via knotify4 it repeats over and over and over again non-stop unless I kill knotify4. Anyone have any idea how to fix that,.
01:56.14graftyo can i somehow install packages via krunner?
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02:14.13destiis there a way to make kmail faster? i have >30k mails and it's always taking some seconds to open a folder
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04:12.43pezedis there a way to disable the kde splash screen?
04:13.01pezedit seems like it wastes a lot of time, i used to be able to click the mouse and make it disappear instantly but it no longer does so.
04:13.31pezedoh wait, i thik just found it.
04:14.59pezedfeels silly now.
04:15.26caf4926easily done
04:16.56pezedit does waste a lot of time btw.
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04:19.34caf4926pezed: it's only there a moment
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04:33.17mosnowhat's the most bug-free/elegant way of making gtk+ applications not ugly as hell? [debian sid, kde 4.6.5]
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04:33.33mosnoie. theme-wise
04:34.22RingtailedFoxwell, there are some GTK modules in "application appearance" within the KDE System Settings
04:35.00mosnohmm, i must be missing the package for that
04:35.16RingtailedFoxlook for something like gtk-qt4 or qt-gtk...
04:36.09mosnoRingtailedFox: is this related to qtcurve?
04:36.27RingtailedFoxi think so, i forget what the app is called
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04:37.03mosnoi just want gtk+ to look like oxygen
04:37.11mosnois that possible? i don't want qtcurve
04:37.34break19mosno: so install the gtk oxygen theme
04:38.17mosnoaah, kde-config-gtk-style is the frontend
04:38.20mosnobreak19: thanks
04:39.01break19mosno: in FreeBSD, it's /usr/ports/x11-themes/gtk-oxygen-engine/ - in various linux distros it could something similar
04:40.12mosnobreak19: i found the package, i'm just installing it now. on my system it's called gtk2-engines-oxygen
04:41.31mosnohmm, will continue this later, my back is hurting too much to sit in this chair. thanks all
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04:49.00seu_barrigahello people
04:49.15seu_barrigais anyone here familiar with kplato?
04:49.57seu_barrigai created a project with it, added the tasks, the resources, etc, but the tasks do not appear on the task status view
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09:12.08emilsedgh(other folders are all fine)
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10:34.43apusnevermind
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11:26.44_dinsdaleshould kactivitymanagerd automatically restart if it crashes in the background. i often can't close activities or shut kde down, reason is that kactivitymangerd is not running.
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11:40.22Egyptian[Home]i just wanted to state that kmail2 is extremely slow and so i hate it
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11:44.49TimiiHi, where I should search error when KDE shows only couple of seconds black screen after login and then it returns to login screen? xorg.log or kdm.log have no errors
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12:27.45sxeHey guys, is anyone using dolphin 2.0? Does the fiilter function work? Because it does not here.
12:28.02joetotaleI'd like to toggle main panel visibility from keyboard - any pointers please?
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13:43.31who_mehello, how can I report bugs to kde if , from what I can see, some of my ISPs IPs are blocked ?
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13:48.09annmawhat do y ou mean?
13:48.14pinotreeannma: gone already
13:48.21annmaah OK
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13:56.48jubobaeverytime I start my session a Terminator is opened. I checked in ~/.kde/Autostart and there's nothing there
13:56.53jubobawhere else can I check?
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14:00.52annmajuboba: what is your restore session setting?
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14:02.42jubobawhere can I check that annma ?
14:03.14annmain System Settings somewhere
14:03.50jubobaonlogin: restore previous session
14:04.07annmaSystem Administration in Startup and Shutdown
14:04.28annmahow do you leave your session then?
14:04.43jubobaby shutdown or logout
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14:05.35annmaI mean, what is in it
14:07.40jubobanothing
14:07.45jubobaI close everything
14:07.54jubobaand when I log in terminator is started xD
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14:17.46jmuthi. have question regarding konsole. Using tail -f to follow stream but I'd like to strip some content..based on simple pattern...and see only the rest
14:17.49jmutis this possible?
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14:19.41annmajuboba: is it a new install?
14:19.54annmajuboba: or did it happen only recently?
14:22.18henshawcan't you do it just on a shell/piping level? e.g. 'tail -f file | grep whatever', just off the top of my head.
14:24.28jubobaannma, recently
14:24.46sxej / yacy
14:24.50jmuthenshaw: damn I am stupid. never thought that will work. thanks
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15:30.05diegoviolawhat's a better kde distro, fedora or kubuntu?
15:30.10Occi-Hi - I experienced flimmering on my monitor so I took a kwin --replace, and now someone the windows are merged together - is this a known bug? http://i.imgur.com/QflAG.png
15:30.21Occi-diegoviola: fedora is more bleeding edge
15:30.22diegoviolafor someone who is not very familiar with linux
15:30.37diegoviolaOcci-: ok thanks
15:31.23Occi-http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=fedora and http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kubuntu
15:32.56diegoviolai will go with fedora
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15:33.28Occi-that is a more interesting distro than kubuntu atleast :)
15:34.16diegoviolathanks for your advice!
15:34.31diegoviolait's for my father
15:34.41diegoviolahe has always been a Windows user
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15:35.12IAmThatGuydiegoviola: You might want to reconsider.
15:35.33diegoviolaIAmThatGuy: reconsider what exactly?
15:35.49IAmThatGuydijonyummy: For your father, "always been a Windows user".
15:35.58IAmThatGuyI mean.... diegoviola
15:36.12diegoviolawell, he's been using Linux lately
15:36.21IAmThatGuydiegoviola: Which distros?
15:36.26diegoviolahe's slowly moving to it, so I'm helping him
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15:36.30diegoviolaIAmThatGuy: kubuntu
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15:37.36IAmThatGuydiegoviola: Is he familiar with using it / managing it on hiw own?
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15:37.57diegoviolaIAmThatGuy: he's learning
15:38.02diegoviolabut yes
15:38.24kbroulikdiegoviola: fedora is if you want recent software with lots of bug fixes; kubuntu is if you want a system that is outdated on the day after it gets released with no chance of getting updates (except for unneccessary stuff) except for waiting for the next release :)
15:38.47diegoviolakbroulik: i prefer recent software, so fedora
15:38.56IAmThatGuydiegoviola: Okay, just a heads up. Fedora isn't like Mint or Ubuntu when it comes to codecs and plugins. He would probably feel lost on his own trying to get some featres/support back.
15:38.58diegoviolathanks for your advice, i appreciate it greatly
15:39.00diegoviola:)
15:39.14diegoviolaIAmThatGuy: is it easy to enable?
15:39.23IAmThatGuykbroulik: newer != better
15:39.53IAmThatGuyAnd Ubuntu backports bugfixes.
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15:40.01kbroulikIAmThatGuy: not in case of NetworK management, Pulseaudio, GStreamer …
15:40.16kbroulikhere: newer = better
15:40.35kbroulikbut there is no chance of getting an update … or have you ever seen that the kde network management plasmoid gets an update? I didnt
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15:40.53burninOnce you install the rpmfusion repo you can easily get support in Fedora for the various non-free audio and video codecs.
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15:40.56IAmThatGuykbroulik: I have a Mint 9 (based on Ubuntu 10.04, from April 2010) and I have no such issues with any of the above, and I will continue using this system until EOL.
15:41.12kbroulikIAmThatGuy: with KDE?
15:41.25IAmThatGuykbroulik: In this case, GNOME 2.
15:41.29kbroulik…………………………………
15:41.47IAmThatGuykbroulik: The above are found on GNOME: network management, pulseaudio, gstreamer
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15:41.59kbroulikIAmThatGuy: look at the name of this channel. thanks.
15:42.12IAmThatGuykbroulik: Point is, newer isn't always better, and Ubuntu backports security/bugfixes with its updates to packages.
15:42.52kbroulikpoint is: in most cases it IS better: especially for new major versions of KDE, or for technology that is still in beta state but was found a good idea to be implemented and then left alone
15:43.02Boohbahhow can i disable kwallet? forums say it's under system settings > advanced but i do not have 'advanced'
15:43.30IAmThatGuykbroulik: Haha, tell that to people who have issues with newer iterations of KDE and the beloved akonadi and nepomuk.
15:43.33kbroulikBoohbah: System settings → User account details (or so) → Digital Briefcase → Uncheck the "Use digital briefcase to store passwords" (or so)
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15:44.37kbroulikIAmThatGuy: Kubuntu 11.04 shipped a faulty network management plasmoid, a bug that was reported and fixed a few hours ago but it was not backported for whatever reason; which is the normal case in Kubuntu. almost nothing gets backported
15:44.50kbroulikunless you want a sources list that is so full of PPAs that an apt-get update takes minutes
15:44.59diegoviolausing newer software in most cases is better i think, so that issues get reported and fixed, like in pulseaudio case
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15:45.12IAmThatGuykbroulik: Maybe I'm unaware, but Kbuntu and Ubuntu don't have the same policy of backporting bugfixes?
15:45.15IAmThatGuy*Kubuntu
15:45.34IAmThatGuyIt's the same repositories after all (Ubuntu just ships with GNOME packages / config by default)
15:45.39IAmThatGuyWell.... Unity now.
15:45.41kbroulikand what did diegoviola say? Kubuntu or Fedora … so I am talking about Kubuntu and not Mint, or ubuntu, or whatever
15:46.07IAmThatGuykbroulik: I use Ubuntu instead of *buntu because it's easier to type. I essentially mean the same base distro.
15:46.10kbroulikdon't know anything about Ubuntu instead
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15:46.20kbroulik*though
15:46.28IAmThatGuySame reason why I type Debian instead of GNU/Debian Linux.
15:46.41IAmThatGuyErm... Debian GNU/Linux.... I forget.
15:46.49kbroulikand why then did you say "Kubuntu and Ubuntu"? where Ubuntu means *buntu for you? …
15:47.07IAmThatGuykbroulik: Names are confusing. I'll try again.
15:47.28IAmThatGuykbroulik: He asked Fedora or Kubuntu (of course, Fedora KDE is implied.)
15:47.40kbroulikyeah that's what I was thinking also …
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15:48.09IAmThatGuykbroulik: And the *buntu (not "Kubuntu") policy is a "feature-freeze" policy: only updates are security and bugfixes.
15:48.21IAmThatGuykbroulik: Which applies to Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc.
15:48.57IAmThatGuykbroulik: So I assumed (I could be wrong) that *buntu KDE packages have bugfixes backported (which means a Kubuntu user updating his system will get these bugfixes)
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15:49.12macoIAmThatGuy: the ubuntu project has a general policy, but there are exceptions, and kubuntu has a special exception for kde point releases
15:49.13kbroulikand exactly this is what I hate… because basically everything is considered as "feature" … I do not get a newer version of NM plasmoid, I do not get a bugfixed version of phonon-gstreamer …
15:49.30IAmThatGuykbroulik: On second thought, I don't *know* for sure if Canonical puts as much priority on backporting bug fixes for KDE packages (and only focuses on GNOME/Unity stuff)
15:49.31kbroulikmaco: the point releases are also not "officially" backported
15:49.48diegoviolaand what is the policy of fedora?
15:49.55kbroulikIAmThatGuy: the stupid thing is: They ALWAYS use beta and unfinished software and bundle it with Kubuntu and then DONT update it …
15:49.59macokbroulik: they werent *before*... but that exception came in a few months ago
15:50.00IAmThatGuydiegoviola: Fedora ships latest update of software once it's available.
15:50.04kbroulikand after two releases when it finally works, it gets replaced by something else
15:50.12diegoviolaIAmThatGuy: nice
15:50.24macoabout the time that firefox got its special exception, i think
15:50.25kbroulikmaco: cool … and since that I havent seen any beta release of a next major version at all … no 4.7 beta, no 4.8 beta …
15:50.31diegoviolaIAmThatGuy: thanks
15:50.50kbroulikdiegoviola and IAmThatGuy: which is the best thing to do … dont understand why canonical doesnt
15:50.52macokbroulik: keep in mind that for all of 11.10 there were NO canonical employees working on it. the one we had was transferred to the bzr team
15:50.57macoso 11.10 was done short-staffed
15:51.10macoRiddell's back now, except for the part where he was hit by a car on friday
15:51.29IAmThatGuyI prefer the bugfix-only method, but that's just me. I have software I use, that only works as it did on day #1. If there's a bug / security issue, I'd want it patched, but I don't want the software to introduce new features or remove features simply because I updated my system. Other users prefer the latest always.
15:51.33kbroulikgood thing I know how to use git, cmake and make … so I can update my stuff myself …
15:51.33macoand the biggest non-canonical packager of new versions quit
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15:52.25burninDo some Kubuntu releases have long term support?
15:52.31kbroulikIAmThatGuy: doesnt change the fact that they bundle beta software and dont update it … for example: Pulseaudio … now after two releases it finally works fine. Gstreamer still skips songs for its own will although I think that has been fixed some time ago but NOT backported.
15:52.44macoburnin: yes, mostly the same ones as ubuntu, except 8.04, because it ran into the kde3/kde4 transition
15:52.49IAmThatGuykbroulik: Now you see why it can get confusing with terms like Ubuntu (to mean the actual distro) and Canonical (the company only), and Ubuntu (to mean the base system), and then *buntu, et al.
15:52.59macokbroulik: pulseaudio has been in for 6 releases
15:53.02burnindiegoviola: something to keep in mind with Fedora, while they are bleeding edge and aggressively updated, each release is only supported for 1 year.
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15:53.19kbroulikI dont remember pulse being in the 9.xx releases
15:53.21diegoviolaburnin: ok thanks
15:53.21burninis using Fedora w/KDE.
15:53.27kbroulikbut I can be mistaken
15:53.30macooh i see
15:53.32IAmThatGuykbroulik: 0.9?
15:53.34macoyou mean in both kubuntu & ubuntu
15:53.36kbroulikI tried Fedora but didn't like it
15:53.39macoubuntu has had it since 8.04
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15:53.49macokubuntu got it when there supposedly became better phonon support for it
15:53.57diegoviolaburnin: that's not a problem for me, i tend to keep my systems up-to-date, but thanks for letting me know. :)
15:53.58macoi never had a problem with it from 9.04 (when i started using kde) on
15:54.11kbroulikmaco: then you probably didnt use an USB headset
15:54.26macokbroulik: dude, usb headsets are the best usecase for pulseaudio!
15:54.29burnindiegoviola: same here, I like having the bleeding edge on some of the applications I use that are in Fedora.
15:54.37diegoviolamaco: indeed
15:54.40diegoviolai love pulseaudio
15:54.42macowatch a movie with a friend without disturbing flatmate
15:54.46burnindiegoviola: but the bleeding edge can bite you too. :)
15:54.48kbroulikmaco: and exactly my headset did not work with it … uninstall pulse → worked
15:54.48IAmThatGuykbroulik: Well... there is a huge problem with staggered release cycles: KDE has its own cycle, GNOME has its own, the distros have their own, Mozilla has its own, VLC has its own, and this causes some weird packaing for a distro's final release.
15:55.00diegoviolaburnin: :p
15:55.01macomovie sound goes through both usb headset and the 1/8" headset but not speakers = win
15:55.11kbroulikI wish there was an Arch that was not archy
15:55.23IAmThatGuykbroulik: A coincidence of unfortunate timing is why *buntu 10.04 users (unless using a PPA) are stuck with Firefox 3.6.x
15:55.56IAmThatGuykbroulik: I think Canonical should have some sort of "feature-freeze exceptions) to important / common software, like web browsers.
15:56.07kbroulikthey should just update the software with the updates that come. period.
15:56.14kbroulikwould have saved me a lot of trouble …
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15:56.32IAmThatGuykbroulik: That doesn't work for everyone. I bumped into such reasons with Arch Linux.
15:57.04IAmThatGuykbroulik: When unison was updated on Arch's repos, it broke compatibility with older versions of unison (still being used on other computers.)
15:57.11kbroulikI really love Kubuntu but that we-dont-update-anything-policy is just … grrr
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15:57.39kbroulikI sometimes get an kernel update, or some updates for underlying software; and the minor KDE releases but that's all
15:57.53ChemBrothey update enogh, kbroulik, it is just noch rolling release
15:58.06IAmThatGuykbroulik: Or when gpodder updated to the 3.x series (from 2.x), it removes the ability to sync to devices, uses a new database format, and changed where the user settings are stored. This is unwelcome to someone who is currently using 2.x.
15:58.22kbroulikyou know you can prevent updates from being installed …
15:58.23IAmThatGuykbroulik: Feature-freeze protects against that.
15:58.24ChemBronoch = not
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15:58.37cb400fpeople gon' complain.. when they get an update with changed behaviour and regressions they're gonna whine even more
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15:59.04cb400ftheir momma should have told them they can't have their cake and eat it too
15:59.10kbroulikbut especially stuff that still doesnt work fine and is updated constantly should be updated as well, best thing: Network manager
15:59.11IAmThatGuykbroulik: That assumes someone is watching every package update that comes in and checks the changelog on the developer's website. And then they'd be playing a game of "locking random packages" which might cause dependency issues.
15:59.37IAmThatGuykbroulik: Yes, I agree. They should have "feature-freeze exceptions" for important stuff.
15:59.47IAmThatGuykbroulik: But I'm not a CEO or developer. :)
16:00.07ChemBrothey have exceptions for firefox for example
16:00.11kbroulikwell, I dont care … I know how to use git and cmake and keep my stuff up-to-date by myself
16:01.33IAmThatGuyChemBro: It came a bit late.
16:01.48macokbroulik: kubuntu policy is that we take kde's point releases, like 4.8.1 to 4.8.2.... whether we have enough people (with one concussed and another 2 fed up with canonical and quitted...) is another story
16:02.01IAmThatGuyhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=firefox&searchon=names&suite=lucid-updates&section=all
16:02.07macokbroulik: if you wanna help out instead of whine maybe the point releases could be packaged faster!
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16:02.20kbroulik(understandable why theyre fed up )
16:02.31kbroulikmaco: and how? :)
16:02.48macoactually i think its one with canonical and one with some other developer types
16:02.56macothere was a flamewar...
16:03.17macokbroulik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
16:03.29IAmThatGuyAs for the kernel, I believe *buntu backports newer hardware support up until the next release of the distro. (And for LTS, it's up until the next release of the LTS; so 2 years of new hardware support is backported.)
16:03.34macojoin #kubuntu-devel if you want to help out
16:03.47macoIAmThatGuy: that sounds right
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16:04.24IAmThatGuyMy finger hurts from typing *buntu. I hate that asterisk.
16:04.29kbroulikoh … launchpad …
16:05.06IAmThatGuyPoor Windows users. They don't get any of the fun we do with distro wars and desktop battles.
16:05.25kbroulikthey have enough problems with their prehistoric system already, they dont need any other entertainment
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16:06.20diegoviolaIAmThatGuy: they get "fun" with malware and vendor lock-in :D
16:06.27IAmThatGuySweet!
16:06.56IAmThatGuyI'm interested to see if the Metro UI on Windows 8 will cause enough backlash.
16:07.04diegoviolahaha
16:08.55diegoviolait'll be vista all over again
16:09.38diegoviolai'm waiting for that too, to welcome future linux users
16:09.47diegoviolawho will be fed up with win8
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16:10.31IAmThatGuyDon't exclude Mac. After all, according to Leo Laporte and other tech hosts "cross-platform" means Windows and Mac.
16:10.47IAmThatGuyYup. Just those 2.
16:11.38diegoviolayeah
16:11.56diegoviolawell i disagree with the "cross-platform" being only windows/mac
16:12.20IAmThatGuydiegoviola: That's the common misconception.
16:12.58IAmThatGuydiegoviola: Approach a random person you've never met and start talking about Mac. They'll likely know what you're talking about. Then start talking about Linux.
16:13.20pinotreewhat about moving this offtopic talk in #kde-chat? thank
16:13.20pinotrees
16:13.35IAmThatGuyRemember, there's people that think the "blue E" is the internet, and don't know the different between google.com and their desktop.
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16:13.59IAmThatGuypinotree: Yeah, sorry
16:14.52diegoviolaIAmThatGuy: well we have to educate them in tha tcase
16:14.59diegoviolain that case*
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16:18.23diegoviolaIAmThatGuy: my point is, there's lots of people that use their computers for facebook, watching movies, IM, firefox, VLC, etc, I think for those users Linux would be perfect, and considering that Windows 8 with its "metro" interface is likely to alienate lots of users, Linux would be nice a nice choice.
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16:19.21IAmThatGuydiegoviola: I went into #kde-chat to leave room for people that need help with KDE, and yes I agree.
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19:41.06handygandyI would like to start a konsole as another user. Anyway to do that outside of a commandline?
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20:03.52lgrI'd like to compile KDE 4.8beta for testing translations
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20:04.14lgrdo you know which branch I must checkout for kdelibs?
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20:15.53daviddoriaWhenever I open a file dialog box (file -> open), it takes several seconds to load. Is there anyway to make this go faster?
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20:37.52Boohbahhow can i disable kwallet? forums say it's under system settings > advanced but i do not have 'advanced.' running kde 4.7.3
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20:47.31Klanticusthen KDE Wallet
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21:25.43oliver_when i play videos in vlc, screen blanking is inhibited but system suspend is not
21:25.56oliver_not sure whether it's kde or vlc at fault. how can i get to the bottom of this?
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21:31.39fantihello! since i upgraded the kde installation, kmail, akonadi, nepomuk and virtuoso-t are eating a lot of cpu time and memory? what's akonadi, nepomuk and virtuoso-t for???
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21:56.46dijonyummyin dolphin is there a way to queue up a file copy, while a previous file copy/move is going on? i want to queue it up instead of running the 2nd copy/move operation concurrently
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22:12.05gdeburedijonyummy: if you launch a second file copy, you can follow its progress in the notification area
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22:12.16gdebureand there, you are able to pause / resume it
22:12.33gdeburenot exactly what you wanted, but close
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22:49.41Zenguy_pcis gwenview for crashing for you guys?
22:50.08Zenguy_pci'm using 2.6.4
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22:53.21tietzeMeine KDE (4.7.3 unter Arch) hat von sich aus die Sprache umgestellt (en statt de). i18n hab ich neu installiert, überall steht de als default. Das würde mich prinzipiell nicht stören, aber Kmail benutzt nun nicht Entwürfe (das ü wird verhunzt) sondern drafts. Was kann ich noch prüfen?
22:53.52pinotreetietze: english or #kde.de
22:53.57tietzesry
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22:54.39tietzeMy lang has been changed from de to en without any interaction by myself. Default is still de, i18 is new.
22:55.03tietzeThe major problem is kmail which uses drafts instead Entwürfe (umlauts don't work at all)
22:55.25tietzeAnythink I should check?
22:56.12tietze"Switch app lang" at menu > help has german as default entry.
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23:02.28jewardSay, kde4 doesn't seem to respect my choices when I change default applications.  Do I have to log out to get it to accept them?
23:03.34jewardI'm running kubuntu 11.10.
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