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00:10.20daviddoriaAfter some recent updates, when I try to run kdevelop I get "KCrash: Attempting to start /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/drkonqi from kdeinit" - any thoughts?
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01:08.49DaskreechHow do I add comments to a file?
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01:10.06Blackzertext file?
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01:16.45DaskreechNo Im' just thinking about it I should be able to rate files with stars et
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01:18.39MneumonicI asked this before but I didn't get a lot of answer so I'm asking again.  Are there any other distros that implement KDE as well as OpenSuse?
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01:20.18destimandriva is focusing on kde, but i don't know what you exactly mean
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01:20.38cordellgood implementation of KDE?
01:20.53haysIs there a way to get rid of the little bean thing in the upper left of both my screens?
01:21.00haysThat says "New Activity"
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01:21.45cordellMneumonic: arch is good, but vanilla KDE though. Chakra and/or Pardus might be your best bet.
01:21.53MneumonicI just haven't tried many KDE distros besides Kubuntu and OpenSuse.  I always hear about how great KDE in OpenSuse is because they develop KDE as their main distro environment.
01:22.29DaskreechMneumonic: Mageia? Pardus
01:22.36DaskreechArch I guess
01:22.38DaskreechPClinuxOS
01:23.06Daskreechhays: You can push it in as I recall to make it smaller
01:23.07haysKubuntu seems decent, its what I just installed
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01:23.21Daskreechif you just want it gone then youcan look for ihatethecashew
01:25.10haysFedora has a KDE desktop also
01:25.28haysI tried it for a few minutes and it seemed ok but its really strict about "free"
01:25.47cordellhays: on the bottom, you can click on the bean and click more settings, lock the taskbar
01:26.02cordell*lock widgets
01:26.21hayscordell: thanks..  looks like im stuck with the top one for now.. strange
01:26.55haysasiego still hasn't backed down on that thing i guess heh
01:27.07cordellhays: its meant to configure your desktop/activities settings
01:29.01cordellMneumonic: i highly recommend pardus. rock solid and no crashes. since made in turkey, downloads from the server are a little slow
01:29.20MneumonicWhat is their repository like?  I've heard it's very limited.
01:31.31cordellhavent tried it in a while so cant remember
01:32.12cordellhttp://packages.pardus.org.tr/
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01:48.48MneumonicIs anyone here running Kubuntu 11.10 as their main distro?
01:49.17MneumonicI'm just curious how it compares.  I prefer the debian/ubuntu base but am worried that canonical might not take KDE seriously enough
01:51.03cordellMneumonic: have you asked in #kubuntu
01:51.22MneumonicI get worried that I am going to get a very skewed opion in the distro specific channels
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01:54.40cordelli believe that seriously isnt the right word. the primarily focus on unity, however the kubuntu desktop team focuses only on KDE. i believe that they created there own version of the software center for KDE called muon or something.
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02:12.05petteygIs there a file I can edit associations in instead of having to click through all of them one-by-one in systemsettings?
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03:48.51sytheWTF?
03:49.03sytheThey put JAVA settings beside JAVASCRIPT SETTINGS
03:49.10sytheIn the KDE settings
03:49.18sytheIs someone missing a brain?
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03:52.12shevyah well, let's see how easy it is to transition back to windows after all those years
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04:03.21yatesmy wife seems to have turned on the "jolie text to speech" and i can't figure out how to turn it off.
04:03.25yatesany clues?
04:03.58yatesit periodically pops up a notification in the upper right corner saying ktts service can't be found or somesuch
04:04.11yatescan't be started
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04:06.38yateshow do you get here: http://kde.org/applications/utilities/jovie/   ?
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04:09.34yateshello?
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04:16.21yatesnotification occured again..
04:16.42yatessorry, that should have been "jovie" not "jolie"
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04:26.29yatesmrguitar mrnuke sugoi aracele DaemonFC
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04:37.43funmanhi
04:37.43gentoowhy cant i do png images with kdenlive
04:38.25funmancould someone run qdbus org.freedesktop.PowerManagement /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement|grep nhibit ?
04:38.49funmani don't run KDE so i can't tell the dbus interface of this daemon
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04:42.59funman(i'm fixing the VLC module which prevents computer from going to sleep while watching porn^Wmovies
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04:44.19GooberVonTardtest
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04:48.57funmanno love for vlc?
04:53.31Jucatofunman: if you're not running KDE (and therefore probably no using KDE power management) why ask here?
04:56.19Jucatofunman: in any case: http://paste.kde.org/146216/
04:56.46funmanJucato: VLC runs on KDE
04:57.00Jucatoit also runs on GNOME, Xfce, and Windows
04:57.03funmanthanks
04:57.04Jucatoit's not a KDE app though
04:57.16funmanyeah but it needs to integrate with kde power daemon
04:57.52Jucatoonly if you're running KDE, which you said you aren't
04:58.48funmanwell other people do and they run my code :)
05:00.42JucatoI'm not a mind reader so I couldn't have known that of course ;)
05:01.48funmanit works fine on KDE already but there was a bug with the gnome version
05:02.12funmangnome used to have the same interface than KDE (org.freedesktop.something) but for some reason they switched to their own scheme
05:02.24Jucato(not surprising)
05:02.30funmanand also changed the UnInhibit method to Uninhibit (notice the I -> i)
05:02.55funmanyeah :(
05:03.04Jucatounfun
05:03.09Jucatopun intended ;)
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05:07.36funmanyou mean unFun.
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05:40.39RingtailedFoxhiya, #kde!  is there a way to tell kaffeine which video adapter to use?
05:41.03RingtailedFoxbecause, it insists on trying to look in /dev/dvb/adapter0 for my video tuner, when it's located at /dev/video25
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06:16.45pingufanHello, can somebody tell me if (and how) I can redefine the left "Windows-Key" as "<>|" Key?   I have a laptop with US keyboard and need a German keyboard. Therefore I miss this one key.
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06:19.44veg^hello, i'm using gentoo, while running startkde pc stops and i can't do anything, where can i see error log
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06:20.59pingufanYou possibly have activated all this fancy crap of new KDE.  Try Ctrl+Alt+F12 to temporarily disable it.
06:21.24pingufanI have that repeatedly.
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06:22.13veg^but, even Num Lock doesn't work
06:22.41pingufanCtrl+Alt+F1 also gives no text console?
06:22.49veg^no
06:22.58pingufanThen it really hangs.
06:23.21veg^i installed it using emerge kdebase-meta
06:23.33veg^where is log files?
06:23.54pingufanNo odea. I use openSUSE and there I never had such issues.
06:25.45pingufanI have much more subtile problems with it. ;)
06:30.01caf4926pingufan: it's ALT+SHIFT+F12 to toggle effects
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06:31.08RingtailedFoxhttp://pastebin.com/5sRcCnpP
06:31.21pingufanYes.  I had several times the problem that I don't get the desktop appearing with desktop effects enabled. Disabling them solved that. Then I disabled them by default in settings.
06:31.28RingtailedFoxthat's what kaffeine gives in konsole, when i try to get it to access my WinTV HVR-1600 digital tv tuner
06:32.05pingufanBut I have a different issue:  I want to make the <|> Key with the left Windows Key.  Is that possible?
06:32.56pingufanAs I have a US keyboard, I miss one key left of "Z". But as this Windows Key is useless, I would like to redefine it.
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06:34.28caf4926pingufan: the <|> key ?
06:36.09pingufanOn German keyboard, there is a key   <>|   two keys left of "X".  This one is missing on 101 keys keyboards.
06:36.39caf4926pingufan: I'm UK so it's different again
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06:36.59caf4926pingufan: Have you google about re-define the win key?
06:36.59telemoneybest kde torrent client?
06:37.12caf4926telemoney: ktorrent
06:37.18pingufanDoesn't matter.  I only can use the "Windows-Key as replacement"
06:38.15pingufanBut is it possible at all to redefine it?   single-press <    Shift-Press >  AltGr press |
06:38.44caf4926pingufan: have you looked in the kde settings for custom shortcuts
06:39.18pingufanOr define a Ctrl+Alt , for <   and Ctrl+Alt . for > ?
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06:39.37pingufanAh, this is hidden in "Custom Shortcuts"?
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07:47.53skonstanthello, question about multi-head:
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07:48.24skonstantwhen kde starts, it places the monitors wrong: left on the right and right on the left
07:48.38skonstantI change it in system setings but it does not store it
07:49.10skonstantif I click on save as default, it's a problem because it's a laptop and next time it will start assuming the other screen is there
07:49.15skonstantwhen it might not be
07:49.23skonstantand then I cannot see the panel
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08:36.47mouseoverIn Konsole, how can I specify geometry and window position from startup?
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08:47.10loonyphoenixhey. is kde 4.8 going to be based on qt 4.8? and when's it due?
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08:54.39kdepeposee KDE release schedule
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10:17.31loonyphoenixhuh, 4.8 is SOON
10:17.40loonyphoenixI thought it would be around january or something
10:17.47loonyphoenixmiddle of january
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10:18.08loonyphoenixoh, it is
10:18.13loonyphoenixi looked at the wrong date
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10:29.28puneetgoyalhttp://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2011/10/10/help-kde-e-v-secure-funding-for-a-sprint-with-just-a-few-clicks/
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10:30.16puneetgoyalpeoples...  we're out of the top 1000 :( ..please poke a few friends of yours to take part.....only a few hours left
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13:01.46phoenix_firebrddoes backup and restore of akonadi work for anyone?
13:02.57mase_x200hmm haven't tried that. what does it do/ supposed to do
13:03.52phoenix_firebrdmase_x200: it does backup and restore of pim datas
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13:41.40SitaupHi everyone,  Today at 5 pm this ( ---->http://blogs.kde.org/node/4491<----) will end and KDE will lose the opportunity to win 1000 euros. You can vote even though you're not from Germany. Spend some of your time, you can vote three times. If you like KDE support it. Have a nice day.
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13:59.56phoenix_firebrdvote for kde https://verein.ing-diba.de/sonstiges/10115/kde-ev
14:02.15folivoraGday. I disable menubar on Kde terminal, what is the keyboard accesss to it ? Can't remember, even tho it notified me about it =)
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14:03.09dokmais there any way to lock my desktop between some hours so that the machine is completely unaccessible even with a password and username??
14:03.53Jucatofolivora: Ctrl+M
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14:19.35StFSHi. Is there some way to disable the "tooltip" popup that appears when I hover the mouse over the items in the task manager bar
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14:20.14StFSat least the ones that appear when I hover over the running applications
14:21.01Jucatoright-click on the task manager -> Task Manager Settings -> uncheck the [ ] Show tooltips option
14:21.47StFSJucato: thanks... I actually just found it the second you sent this in :) been looking for it for 15 minutes before coming here though ;)
14:21.51StFStypical
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14:50.00Bor_GusAny body use KDE 4.7?
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14:51.45phoenix_firebrdBor_Gus: i use
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14:53.40Bor_Gusphoenix_firebrd, where did you get it? From repository or build by self?
14:53.59phoenix_firebrdBor_Gus: kubuntu 11.10
14:54.52Bor_GusI see.
14:55.38Bor_GusWho updated from KDE 4.6?
14:55.39phoenix_firebrdBor_Gus: what distro are you using right now
14:55.48Bor_GusMandriva
14:55.50Bor_Gus2011
14:56.15phoenix_firebrdBor_Gus: ok
14:56.32phoenix_firebrdBor_Gus: i cant understand your question
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14:58.30Bor_Gusphoenix_firebrd, I think about update my KDE from 4.6 to 4.7, but don't know how to do better. Build by self or install from repository
14:59.32spm_Dragethttp://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/X.Org/Dual_Monitors/KDE is a bit outdated gentoo wiki page to disable KDE taking all screens it finds. Sadly '/usr/kde/.../share/config/kcmdisplayrc' does not exist. Well, '~/.kde4/share/config/kcmdisplayrc' does, but I do not see how a config in my USER folder is supposed to keep kwin from taking the screen since it is already started with kdm, or?
14:59.52phoenix_firebrdBor_Gus: what is the current kde version in mandriva and also is your mandriva the latest version?
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15:01.49Bor_Gusphoenix_firebrd, Current KDE 4.6.5 and Mandriva 2011 (it's last, with all updates)
15:02.43phoenix_firebrdBor_Gus: check that if you have a backport or a ppa
15:03.15pinotreeor, just, ask in the channel of your distro
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15:04.14Bor_Gusphoenix_firebrd, pinotree, ok, thx! I try it
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16:34.25StFSdoes anybody know what might be going on when my whole desktop freezes for a few seconds (almost) every time I close a konsole window?
16:34.59StFSor how I might be able to figure out what's going on
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16:35.16xioxStFS: maybe have a look at .xsession-errors, if your distn makes this file
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16:38.08StFSxiox: ok... this is what seems to be happening... http://dpaste.com/656883/
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16:40.11xioxStFS: I get those... not sure how harmful it is. Have you tried disabling compositing to see whether that fixes the problem? (under desktop effects in settings)
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16:41.48StFSxiox: well.. that seems to fix the delay although I'm still getting the error message in xsession-errors
16:42.23xioxStFS: you could try messing with the desktop effect settings to see whether any of them are responsible for the delay.
16:42.38StFSxiox: will do... thanks
16:42.48xioxStFS: By the way, what sort of video card is it?
16:44.20StFSxiox: some nvidia card... Dell D630 latitude laptop
16:45.08xioxStFS: if it's nvidia, there a bug in the propriatory driver for recent Xorgs (like in F16). There's a beta driver to fix this (something about trapezoid rendereing)
16:45.59StFSxiox: ok... I might take a look at that
16:46.04StFSxiox: thanks
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17:02.39rwmanhi. Can anyone please help? My kate saves local temporary copy of remote file, opened from dolphin via fish:// protocol. How can i make it update remote file on save?
17:02.53rwmanKwrite saves remote file this way fine. Kate only saves local copy
17:03.57xioxrwman: #kate might help
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17:13.28sobczykhello, are there any plans to implement xep-0136 (message archiving) in kopete?
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17:15.21spm_DragetDoes KDM use KWIN?
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17:27.28alethWhen the part of KDE that displays the panels crashes (i.e. they no longer appear when I reach the edge of the screen), how do I kill/restart that component?
17:28.08cb400fto quit plasma: 'kquitapp plasma-desktop'
17:28.19cb400fto start plasma: 'plasma-desktop'
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17:30.17alethcb400f: 'kquitapp plasma-desktop' just seems to hang
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17:30.41alethah no, "Quitting application plasma-desktop failed. Error reported was: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply : Did not receive a reply."
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17:31.17alethcb400f: So I have to kill the process?
17:31.33aleth(actually listed as kdeinit4:...)
17:32.16cb400fyou have to check your system
17:33.22alethWhat in particular?
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17:35.07silouckwhen i run ksysguard and try to kill an app that belongs to root im not prompted anymore to enter the root passwrd, can anyone help to trace this problem?
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17:44.35rwmansobczyk: i thought kopete would pass away when kde-telepathy will be ready
17:48.07kbroulikrwman: WHEN it will be ready … unfortunately the kubuntu guys honestly are already discussing replacing kopete by kde-telepathy in the next release *facepalm*
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17:50.34rwmankbroulik: that depends what "replacing" means. they would not forbid to install kopete for people who want it, would they?
17:51.04kbroulikmy experience with kubuntu shows that when there's something new, that new thing doesn't work and the old thing that work doesn't anymore as weel :)
17:51.13kbroulik*duck*
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18:17.37kbroulikhussam: System settings → User information (or so) → Digital Wallet → "Launch Service for digital wallet" (in the bottom right corner, you can probably launch that application from kickoff as well) → double click your wallet and in the new window (after confirming the prompt to access the wallet) in "File" you can change your password :)
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18:32.41valdur55Hey. How can i add program icon to kmix applications tab?
18:33.21valdur55There is slider and program title, and icon is missing
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18:53.25rdietervaldur55: I *think* it gets that from pulseaudio (somehow)
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18:54.28valdur55rdieter, how can i define this icon?
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18:54.33rdietervaldur55: yep, looking in the code, that's what it does
18:54.50rdieterpulseaudio sets a PA_PROP_APPLICATION_ICON_NAME property
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18:55.16rdieterdoesn't know how pa works to do that though
18:55.29valdur55ok. then i neet just set program icon?
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18:56.22rdietervaldur55: that's the first thing I'd try. :)
18:56.29rotflcopterhi
18:56.40rotflcopteri just got an ati 9000 agp card, is it cool on linux?
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18:57.18cb400fit's not supported by the proprietary driver for ages
18:57.22PnVit's not cool anywhere :)
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18:57.43cb400fI guess it should work reasonably with the free radeon driver...
18:57.52cb400fpop in a livecd of your favourite distro and find out
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19:00.29rotflcopter:(
19:00.34rotflcopterso i must get a newer:
19:00.43rotflcopterwaht is the oldest supported?
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19:01.41cb400fwhy _must_ you use the proprietary driver?
19:01.53rotflcopterdont know whts that
19:02.07rotflcopteri just want hardware acceleration on linux with opengl
19:02.25rotflcopterand possibly better video playing performance...
19:02.35cb400fso try the ancient crap you already bought before you do anything else
19:02.45rotflcopteri hae an mx440 nvidia now and it is capable of about 1 image /5 seconds in 3d
19:02.57rotflcopter...
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19:03.05rotflcopterso the ancient ati will beat that ?
19:03.18rotflcopteror that will be only software too?
19:03.41ChemBrowill be only software what?
19:03.51rotflcopterrendering
19:04.29rotflcopteryou know
19:04.46rotflcopterif nvidia binary is not working then you get the software renderer
19:06.23ChemBroseems like software, if you get the newest radeon/ati/mesa open-source driver
19:06.50rotflcopterso its supported ?
19:07.30ChemBrosupported? yes, but i don't think, you will be happy with the performance
19:07.45rotflcopteri remember i had and ati 7000 and it didnt work because it was too old and not supported anymore
19:08.05rotflcopterlike in ati firegl
19:08.22ChemBroit is supported by the radeon driver
19:08.36rotflcopterso that is hardware acelerated?
19:08.38ChemBrobut not by the radeon galium3d driver
19:08.56ChemBroif you don't get the newest driver, yes
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19:09.02ChemBroand not the newest kernel
19:09.03rotflcopterok cool thanks
19:09.08rotflcopterhmm
19:09.09rotflcopterwell
19:09.16ChemBrodon't know, how old the driver and kernel has to be
19:09.16rotflcopteri have 3.0.3 kernel
19:09.31ChemBrowell, that might be to new
19:09.32rotflcopterbut icompiled it from source
19:09.34ChemBrotoo
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19:09.56rotflcopterhmm i'll ask kernel guys
19:10.01ChemBroi don't know, try it
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19:42.29clawi have tried using user:server/share instead but that does not work too
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19:43.52BarkingFishdantti: Are you part of KDE's italian i10n team please?
19:44.02giancarloi've a little problem, network manager in kubuntu is half in italian, and half in english.. i wanted it all in italian!
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19:44.19BarkingFish^^this is why :)
19:45.27BarkingFishanyone who deals with i10n for Italian, if you're about, can you help giancarlo please?  KDE's fully localized in italian, but the network manager widget isn't localizing
19:45.40BarkingFishthanks :)
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22:25.27BarkingFishanyone here who knows about apper please?
22:25.54BarkingFishIt's annoying the heck out of me.  I've gone to install some "unsigned" packages, and apper is sending me round in circles.
22:26.14cb400fyou should prolly go talk to your distro
22:26.30cb400fapper uses packagekit.. which uses backends for the distro specific package management
22:26.34BarkingFishIt asks if I want to install them, yes or no. I click yes, and it goes back to asking me if I want to install the packages, I say yes, etc ad infinitum, until i press no
22:26.43BarkingFishah, ok then
22:26.43cb400f.. or just use the native package management of your distro
22:27.13cb400funless your distro is fedora :-) ... then packagekit stuff _is_ the native stuff
22:27.18BarkingFishthese are updates, cb400f - i don't know if I can add these through my regular apt-get system
22:27.32BarkingFishi'll file with #kubuntu though
22:27.35cb400f'apt-get upgrade' afaik
22:27.58cb400foh.. thought kubuntu dropped kpackagekit/apper for the muon stuff
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22:28.41BarkingFishno, we still have apper - kpackagekit went, and muon is broken at least for me anyway
22:29.02BarkingFishwell, kpackagekit was replaced by apper, and muon doesn't function for me.
22:29.35cb400fhmm.. not very nice.. guess you can always install synaptic :-)
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22:31.13BarkingFishcb400f: i'd rather swim with pirhana fish while coated in barbecue sauce and wearing a mankini made of steak
22:31.17BarkingFish:)
22:31.46cb400f:-)
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22:33.34kbroulikBarkingFish: :D
22:33.52kbroulikI think apper is in the repositories of oneiric now
22:34.16BarkingFishkbroulik: it is
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22:34.32kbroulikokay, because muon is just unusable
22:34.32BarkingFishit's still driving me nuts though :)
22:34.39BarkingFishseconded
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22:35.19kbroulik(well, at least auto update works *g)
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22:38.30BarkingFishit's odd... sudo apt-get upgrade is installing everything I saw (the 5 package updates) plus another 44 apper didn't even show :)
22:39.33BarkingFishi have some unsigned stuff from the SynCE project, for syncing my Windows Mobile iPAQ, they're from a PPA, but they're 100% reliable so it's probably something my end which is iffy.
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