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01:14.13vehemothI'm having trouble figuring out how to raise a window with dbus
01:14.48vehemothI used dbus-monitor to find that this http://pastebin.com/kC4Lvnwp is what I need to replicate
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01:37.57mintHi all, I'm on linuxmint 10.04 or 10.10 I forgot. How can I do to have sound on my headset ?
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01:42.06mintnobody??
01:43.35vehemothmint: is your headset usb? do speakers work? are any sound channels muted or turned down? is this more of a mint question?
01:45.28mintit's a headset usb yeah. Speakers work (only them), nothing's muted.
01:46.03mintJust wanna know how to switch between the headset sound and the speakers sound.
01:46.56vehemothmint: because it's usb you probably need drivers. did it work on mint without kde? have you tried it on another linux?
01:49.25mintvehemoth: I tried with the gnome version. It worked perfectly. There was an option (a simple check box). But now I'm searching for 2h without any result.
01:49.57mintgnome or lxde I forgot
01:53.31vehemothmint: okay, try this http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=93030 I'm afraid that's the best I can do sorry. There should be something in the sound output menu thing
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07:30.26jbeattyis there a hotkey to switch workspaces? I miss Xfce/Gnome/IceWM's alt-ctrl-arrow
07:30.43vehemothjbeatty: you can set one in system settings
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08:12.54gentzCan someone please tell me what nepomuk & virtuosu do? Their about webpage uses vague, even philosophical terms. Is it just a file indexer or what?
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08:14.16vehemothgentz: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/Tutorials/Metadata/Nepomuk/NepomukServices does that help?
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08:16.10gentzvehemoth: yes. just what i needed. thanks
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08:21.16MaNIis there a way to change the panel settings on a single virtual desktop instead of across all of them?
08:21.33ChemBroafaik no
08:22.06vehemothmaybe with a dirty work around but not easily afaik
08:22.33MaNIwhats the dirty work around?
08:22.53ChemBrono one knows
08:23.00vehemothdbus, script, maybe a custom keyboard shortcut
08:23.14vehemothbut I'm not fully sure, and it's a lot of effort
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08:24.01MaNIit works for all other widgets though, is the panel not a plasma widget?
08:24.42ChemBrothe panel is a plasma container, not a widget
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08:26.22MaNIoh, pity
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08:32.23MaNIokay got it :)
08:32.48vehemothMaNI: to work, if so, care to explain how?
08:33.08MaNII can make a panel visible only on one virtual desktop using "window specific settings"
08:33.16MaNIand then just make other panels for the other ones
08:33.48vehemothokay, thanks
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08:44.53MaNIvehemoth, I spoke too soon - for some odd reason that only works for the first panel I can't get the settings to work for the extra panels I add
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08:45.11MaNIanyway being able to only have it on one desktop will be good enough for now I guess
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08:46.46Pinashello i have a littele question (propably one that many have asked before). I am using KDE and i want to see the files/folder which i have in the ~/Desktop Folder on the desktop
08:46.49Pinashow to i do this ?
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08:47.30vehemothRight click on dekstop, something like add widget. There should be a folder view one
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08:48.55Pinasvehemoth i dont want to use this widgets or the folder view widget, i want single files on the desktop, widgets and single folders - like with gnome or most other window managers
08:49.47ChemBrothen use folder view as your "plasma background"
08:50.06ChemBrobut then, you won't be able to add plasmoids to your desktop
08:50.26Pinasomg
08:50.33Pinasso i propably have to switch to another wm
08:50.42ChemBrowell, do it
08:50.52ChemBrohow about gnome 3?
08:50.54rotflcopterdi i need the nvidia binary  shitsuit to get hardware accelerated opengl on a 8500GT nvidia card?
08:50.54ChemBroXD
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08:51.06thiagorotflcopter: yes
08:51.20rotflcopter:(
08:51.31Pinasok thank you all
08:51.54ChemBroi think, he didn't got my gnome3 joke
08:52.05rotflcopterand what about nouveau?
08:52.13thiagorotflcopter: not accelerated
08:52.34rotflcopterso it will perform the same as a tnt2 ?
08:52.37ChemBroyou should thank nvidia for that, rotflcopter
08:52.45rotflcopteryes thaaanking
08:53.02thiagorotflcopter: it will perform probably the same as any other card in software mode
08:53.12thiagorotflcopter: if you bought nvidia, use their drivers
08:53.15rotflcoptercoolness
08:53.23rotflcopterno, i got this free
08:53.33rotflcopterwouldnt buy it
08:53.51thiagodon't look a gift horse in the mouth
08:54.00thiagotry both drivers and choose the one working best for you
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08:55.38rotflcopterbinary doesnt even work on my system ;)
08:56.58rotflcopterthe nvidia binary driver installer artifacial intelligence fails to assimilate my latest, patched kernel
08:57.42rotflcopternote that i had to break its license to be able to try it
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09:02.10ChemBromaybe you need a legacy driver for your card
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09:04.11rotflcopterChemBro<< i did track down the correct driver, but it fails to assimiltae
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12:01.24joshffHi, I'm on KDE 4.6.5 on Debian and Dolphin is painfully slow, it takes more than 1 minute to open. Is there any fix?
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12:41.59yecril71plKDE shows a progress bar "Updating system configuration…"
12:42.09yecril71plWhen it arrives at the end, it restarts
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12:47.15Zbubenyecril71pl: all the time ?
12:47.50yecril71plFor the 10th time now (or so)
12:47.57Zbubenhave you done something specific causing that bar to appear ?
12:48.13yecril71plI tried opening a DocBook file
12:48.31yecril71plKSUSEInstall intervened and advised me to install AbiWord, I did
12:49.00yecril71plThe progress bar appeared immediately afterwards
12:49.17ZbubenAnd now, when you try to launch Abiword, is it working ?
12:49.27yecril71pltries
12:50.07Zbubenis that the same "updating system configuration" bar that the one appearing when some configuration is changed in "system settings" ?
12:50.10yecril71plDolphin does not open any items
12:50.31Zbubenmaybe... try "abiword" in krunner ?
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12:51.29yecril71pltries
12:51.57yecril71plabiword 2.8.6
12:52.05ZbubenAt the first sight, I'd say that "suse package manager" is trying to register document types to link them to abiword...
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12:53.00yecril71pland failing, and restarting indefinitely
12:53.33ZbubenYou have any error message ?
12:54.21yecril71plHowever, the progress bar belongs to dolphin
12:54.43yecril71plError message where?
12:55.07ZbubenIn the center of the screen ;) So you don't have ..
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12:55.31yecril71plIt is only the progress bar, and Dolphin is locked
12:55.34ZbubenHave you restarted dolphin ?
12:55.47yecril71plI have not
12:55.51Zbubenlocked ? :fear:
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12:56.05Zbuben( do you know about killall command ? :$ )
12:56.08yecril71plDolphin did not crash, it just ignores all my attempts to talk to it
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12:56.29yecril71pldoes not know about killall
12:56.37Zbubendolphins are usually quiet mammals.. I'm surprised.
12:56.44Zbubengoes out..
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12:57.06Zbubenif you type "killall dolphin" it will kill all dolphin remaining in your process list.
12:57.18Zbubeneither in a konsole instance or krunner..
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12:57.33yecril71pltries to close the Dolphin window first
12:57.44JetBoycan I make hard links in Dolphin?
12:58.00pinotreeJetBoy: no
12:58.01yecril71plDolphin does not close
12:58.15yecril71plShould I tell the progress bar to cancel?
12:58.24pinotreeyes
12:58.27Zbubenyecril71pl: You have a cancel button ?
12:58.37Zbubentry that first :)
12:58.40yecril71plThe progress bar has a cancel button
12:58.54yecril71plcancelled
12:59.15yecril71plAnd the docbook opened in … Geany.
12:59.41Zbubenyecril71pl: try to open it with right click ?
12:59.55yecril71plcloses Geany
13:00.47yecril71plAh, Geany is a generic XML editor, and abiword is not registered
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13:01.17yecril71plOpenWith does not show AbiWord for me
13:01.26yecril71plPlain open shows KSUSEInstall again
13:02.24yecril71plKSUSEInstall has nothing to recommend this time
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13:05.34dyrvereyecril71pl: Can't you get the list of all installed programs and manually select/type in abiword?
13:05.43joshffI'm on KDE 4.6.5 on Debian and Dolphin is painfully slow, it takes more than 1 minute to open. Is there any fix?
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13:07.19yecril71plabiword does not show up in the list of installed programs
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13:08.27yecril71plwhen I type abiword, it shows the XML as text
13:08.54Zbubenyecril71pl: I may edit properties of a docbook to add abiword to the list of registered application
13:09.23yecril71plI am not sure whether it will be a good thing to do
13:09.39yecril71plAbiWord does not seem to support DocBook at all
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13:10.19Zbubenlol, so KSUSEInstall hits then fan :p
13:10.36yecril71plSNAFU
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13:16.35Zbubenyecril71pl: libreoffice can handles docbook.
13:16.43Zbubens/handles/handle.
13:17.40yecril71pltries Libre Office Writer
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13:19.54Zbubenin the (huge) supported format list, docbook is present :$
13:19.55yecril71plLibre Office Writer offers an ASCII filter to import the DocBook
13:20.21Zbubenyou selected the format in the list before opening ?
13:20.46yecril71plI told Dolphin to open with Libre Office Writer
13:21.02Zbubenok, try to open file directly inside libreoffice.
13:21.18yecril71plShould I cancel the ASCII filter?
13:21.21Zbubenyes.
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13:22.55yecril71plThe DocBook filter in Writer expects *.xml
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13:23.42Zbubenhmm yes, that seems fair ?
13:23.46CPrgmSwR2Hi
13:24.01CPrgmSwR2Where would I go to suggest a feature for kopete?
13:24.28yecril71plbut the file is named index.docbook, so the input filter cannot see it
13:25.36ZbubenIt should be .xml ?
13:25.53yecril71plAccording to Writer.
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13:26.31dyrvereCPrgmSwR2: I guess #kopete or something?
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13:27.09Zbubenyecril71pl: I would rename it ... :)
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13:28.50dyrvereCPrgmSwR2: or you can suggest new features at https://bugs.kde.org even.
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13:30.51yecril71plKDE thinks that the DocBook document is of type application/docbook+xml
13:31.11yecril71plThis is bogus, there is no such media type
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13:31.57yecril71plMoreover, the name filter is *.docbook
13:32.14spider-mariowell, wikipedia says it is application/docbook+xml
13:32.15pinotreeyecril71pl: you mean like the mimetype provided by shared-mime-info?
13:32.16spider-mariois it wrong?
13:32.22spider-mariowhat’s the right type then?
13:32.44yecril71plThe right type is application/x-docbook+xml
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13:32.46spider-mario(it is consistent with application/xhtml+xml)
13:32.53spider-mariooh, ok
13:32.55yecril71pl<URL: http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application/index.html >
13:33.00spider-marioit’s not registered?
13:33.09yecril71plGo and see
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13:34.35pinotreehttp://docs.oasis-open.org/docbook/specs/docbook-5.0-spec.html#media-type-registration
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13:36.23yecril71plYou need an RFC referring to the specification to have it registered
13:36.53pinotreetell them to register, then
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13:57.31yecril71plBug freedesktop.org 42369
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14:25.38fuorviatoshello there
14:26.38fuorviatosJust a question: How can I set KDE to run only its default applications ignoring gnome's (GNOME is installed too)
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14:27.31annmafuorviatos: explain better please, what GNOME app is KDE running for example?
14:27.38yecril71plFile <URL: file:///usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/pl//dolphin/dolphin-user-interface.html > is missing.
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14:30.15yecril71plThe error appears when I select "Dolphin User Interface" from the book contents
14:30.51yecril71plThis part is typeset as a fragment of "Using Dolphin"; the ToC is wrong.
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14:31.19rotflcopterwhat is ksmserver ?
14:31.25rotflcopteri think i do not need it running
14:31.32annmayecril71pl: it works in Englsih
14:31.48fuorviatosannma: The ditro is OpenSuse 11.4 with both GNOME and KDE installed. In KDE if a run a pdf/video file it will open in Evince/Totem. I know it can be set up manually but my question was rather focused on understanding if there is a tool to do this automatically. Clear now?
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14:32.36annmafuorviatos: do you have a pdf/video KDE app?
14:33.05annmaif so it should be chosen as default except if you have none or if you set anpther one explicitely
14:33.12yecril71plannma: Can I see the English version on a Polish desktop?
14:33.32annmayes
14:33.41annmachange the Dolphin nterface to Englsih
14:33.46fuorviatosannma: Video yes, Kaffeine is here. What's pdf app in KDE?
14:33.59annmaHelp - Switch Application Language
14:34.05annmaOkular
14:34.15fuorviatosthanks
14:34.16yecril71plI am in KHelpCenter
14:34.47fuorviatosso it should be a default settings as long as a new app gets installed it will make itslef default, right?
14:34.50annmayecril71pl: I would switch Dolphin to English and then open the handbook
14:35.19annmayes
14:35.27yecril71plswitched KHC to en and closed KHC
14:35.41fuorviatosannma: no extra settings I must run?
14:35.41annmaif you use another app though and associate the mime type with it, it'll stay
14:35.56annmanot sure it'll work that way yecril71pl
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14:36.22annmafuorviatos: you can associate Kaffeine with the video files in SystemSettings
14:36.31yecril71plError: Unexpected program termination :-O
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14:36.50annmayecril71pl: change in Dolphin
14:37.00yecril71plKHC is open, the ToC is in en, but it shows nothing
14:37.03fuorviatosannma: There is No such label as "video" in "default app" setting
14:37.17annmanot in there
14:37.18pinotreefuorviatos: system setting → file associtations
14:37.21pinotree-t
14:37.32annmayes that's the one
14:37.43yecril71plswitched KHC back to pl
14:38.02carl_How do I make KDE's application windows to have thicker top and bottom bars and have larger fonts? (This is a laptop with screensize of 1920x1200.)
14:38.20annmafonts are in SystemSettings
14:38.21fuorviatospinotree: thanks
14:38.50yecril71plclosed all Dolphin windows
14:38.59pinotreecarl_: system setting → application appearance → fonts for fonts
14:39.10fuorviatosannma: I must decline your version. Just installed okular and it was "under" evince, so I had to move it manually.
14:39.25pinotreecarl_: system settings → workspace appearance → windows for the properies of the window decoration
14:40.03yecril71pltold Dolphin to show the handbook
14:40.12yecril71plThe handbook is in Polish :-(
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14:43.15yecril71pltold Dolphin to open <URL: file:///usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/pl//dolphin/ >
14:43.38yecril71plThe breadcrumbs bar is missing the "dolphin" part
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14:44.52yecril71plyecril71pl told KDE to open <URL: file:///usr/share/doc/kde/HTML//pl//dolphin/ >
14:45.07yecril71pland the breadcrumbs bar stops at HTML
14:45.10webclecticI cannot change the audio master channel. No matter if I select the headphones the sound continues to come from the speakers. In gnome everything works fine. Any ideas?
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14:45.58carl_Hasn't changed much and still have tiny buttons.
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14:51.29diegoviolahi
14:52.14diegoviolais there a wm/kwin function that will minimize all windows except the one that has focus right now?
14:53.13carl_How do I make the buttons larger?
14:53.31yecril71plBug 285260 has been added to the database
14:53.33carl_the x  and minimize and
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14:55.29diegoviolacarl_: right click on a window -> configure window behavior -> window decorations -> configure decoration -> button size
14:55.44diegoviolacarl_: there you can change the size
14:56.32diegoviolacarl_: you have to right click on the top of the window, on the titlebar
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14:59.55carl_diegoviola: not finding botton size option.
15:00.43diegoviolacarl_: are you on the decoration options window?
15:00.57diegoviolacarl_: it should be under 'General' in that window.
15:02.01carl_maybe i need to "Add New Decorations"?
15:02.39carl_Yea,  I'm in "Window Decorations"
15:03.06carl_I click on "Configure Buttons"
15:03.09diegoviolahttp://ompldr.org/vYjEyYw
15:03.11diegoviolalook there
15:03.18diegoviolasee the button size?
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15:05.09diegoviolacarl_: don't click on Configure Buttons
15:05.19diegoviolacarl_: click on Configure Decoration.
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15:05.53diegoviolacarl_: and you will see the option when you click on that.
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15:08.15carl_When I click on Configure Decoration, I get only Border size option.
15:08.42carl_Nothing for Button size
15:10.20diegoviolacarl_: what KDE version?
15:10.25yecril71plContrary to the documentation, { helpcenter 'file:///usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/dolphin/index.docbook'; } sends it to Geany
15:10.36yecril71plContrary to the documentation, { khelpcenter 'file:///usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/dolphin/index.docbook'; } sends it to Geany
15:11.00carl_4.5.5
15:11.13diegoviolacarl_: that's quite old, I'm on KDE 4.7.2 if that helps
15:11.46CPrgmSwR2wonders what kde 5.0 has in store
15:11.50diegoviolacarl_: I suggest that you update.
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15:12.01diegoviolacarl_: and then try again.
15:12.21carl_well, maybe that's it.  I'm stuck with these tiny buttons until I update KDE.   This is what came with Slackware 13.37
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15:13.46yecril71plThe Dolphin manual does not mention what URLs are supported by Dolphin
15:14.06yecril71plThe example shows only a plain OS path
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15:14.29diegoviolacarl_: you could check if there is a 4.7.2 build for Slackware, or build it yourself, or try another distro with more recent KDE.
15:15.01diegoviolacarl_: anyway, good luck :)
15:15.53carl_I may have found a build.  (This is pretty much unacceptable to me...
15:16.30diegoviolayou could also wait for new slackware release with recent KDE, but that probably will take some time, I suggest building latest version.
15:16.34diegoviolacarl_: ok
15:16.42yecril71plThe camera I/O slave is undocumented
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16:28.38cordellcamera:/
16:28.55cordelli believe that the camera has to be connected in order for it to work
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16:31.04yecril71plBug 285268 has been added to the database
16:33.30cordellwhich KDE version?
16:33.41yecril71pl4.6
16:36.40yecril71plThe package kit control panel sometimes loses its ability to read
16:37.00yecril71plIt only returns after restarting
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18:12.25FrogbarfI have messages that got "duplicated"  over 2000 times
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19:24.50mirrakori mean obviously yes, but does it only work with kolab or are there other possibilities?
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19:26.09mirrakorvehemoth: are you talking to me?
19:26.16vehemothyes
19:26.55mirrakorvehemoth: I mean kontacts feature, to share the free/busy informations on my home lan
19:27.57mirrakoractually it's korganizer, sorry
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20:11.22soreauHey guys, is there a way to tell if you're in a kde session or one is running from CLI? ie. from within a script
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20:17.42vehemothsoreau: I believe so let me just look
20:18.10vehemothsoreau: maybe, kcheckrunning
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20:30.36soreauvehemoth: Cool, it works, thanks
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21:20.46Occi-I just had a weird bug. Dualmonitors. On one of the monitors (the secondary) the mousepoints suddenly grew huge, and it wasn't pointing where it showed. kwin --replace fixed it, but is this a known bug?
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22:15.22kevinh90hello
22:16.05kevinh90I use gentoo linux and I am having trouble with kde-base/marble-4.7.2-r1
22:16.26vehemoth!error
22:16.31kevinh90!error
22:16.37vehemothI like phrik better
22:16.54kevinh90kde-base/marble-4.7.2-r1  USE="handbook kde plasma* python (-aqua) -debug -designer-plugin -gps (-kdeenablefinal) -test"
22:16.58vehemothubottu doesn't seem to have as many commands
22:17.13kevinh90marble compiled fine without the extra plasma use flag
22:17.44pinotree→ #gentoo-kde
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22:23.17oldiehello, to all. May i ask something ?
22:23.52kevinh90oldie: you just did ask something
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22:24.29kevinh90pinotree: thanks for forwarding me to #gentoo-kde  they gnu exactly what the problem was.
22:25.25oldieok, i have setup my desktop ( wallpaper, taskbar with symbol-entries) and would like to copy that for another user. What is the common way ?
22:25.30pinotreeknown gentoo issue?
22:26.33kevinh90yep, and the fix was uploaded to the tree a few hours ago, so I just had to 'emerge --sync' (similar to a debian apt-get update)
22:27.06pinotreeok
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22:30.37oldieno common way ?
22:31.14oldiei read about copying HOME/.kde to the other users directory, is that enough ?
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22:35.19vehemotholdie: isn't it just easier to set the wallpaper and bar for this other person
22:37.48oldiei do not know, imagine, setting up 10 new icons for apps inside kde menu, and then assigning those apps to the taskbar
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22:37.56foxvengeorhi
22:38.24farik2ive upgraded to kde4.7 and fc16
22:38.25oldieor, if working with symbols, which allow setting images ( not like open office ) assigning 5 more .
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22:38.29farik2now i can't log in kdm :(
22:38.31farik2please help
22:38.43farik2i type my password and nothing...
22:38.53oldieit could be made manual, but i just wanted to know ,if there is an easier way
22:39.04Oleg_people, kde is started by typing startx after putting startkde command inside ~/.xinitrc file?
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22:39.51Oleg_yes?
22:40.13oldiedepends on distro, olegf
22:40.15oldie-f
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22:41.09oldiei assumed the same, with slack its all right, now i am on ubuntu because of upstart ( very nice revolution ) and there it is not that easy, i experiences
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22:41.40vehemothOleg_: you can start kde like that, but you also what to launch policykit
22:41.59vehemothOleg_: otherwise you won't be able to shutdown from the menu, or mount drive etc.
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22:42.56oldiei leave, bye
22:43.03Oleg_vehemoth, ok, what exactly I should type inside ~/.xinitrc?
22:43.40vehemothnot sure
22:43.54vehemothmaybe exec ck-launch-session startkde
22:44.45Oleg_ok, thanks
22:45.22vehemothI use kdm, it handles all that for me
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22:59.12wmphello, how to convert currencu in krunner on 4.7?
22:59.21wmpcurrency*
22:59.41pinotreeenable the unit converter runner in the krunner configuration
23:00.45wmpi have
23:00.54BarkingFishI need to do that too, pinotree - but I don't have unit converter in the krunner config.
23:01.01BarkingFishIs it a plugin or something?
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23:01.17pinotreeit is shipped as part of kdeplasma-addon
23:01.18pinotrees
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23:01.44BarkingFishah, I'll check apper and see whether we have that.
23:01.56wmppinotree: ok, work ;)
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23:02.18ZombieIs Oxygen the default theme for plasma?
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23:02.48BarkingFishyep, we do pinotree :)  I assumed it would have installed on upgrade, obviously I missed it :)
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23:05.49farik2after update to kde4.7
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