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| 15:42.18 | *** topic/#kde is KDE SC 4.7 is out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 |
| 15:42.25 | cb400f | and check that volume is not turned way down in the mixer |
| 15:43.27 | david_ | mixer sound in kde is all up to the top |
| 15:44.07 | david_ | the sound though is very weak on the head phones and the mic on skype replays only static. |
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| 15:45.10 | cb400f | you need to figure out if you have general problem or a skype problem |
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| 15:45.49 | david_ | I also tested it on kamoso and the sound recorded from mic is only static there. |
| 15:45.55 | cb400f | of course, the magic trick to solving most audio related problems is to turn off pulseaudio |
| 15:46.19 | david_ | skype uses that though right? |
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| 15:46.38 | cb400f | pretty sure it's optional.. not a skype expert.. this is not #skype .. it's #kde :-) |
| 15:47.52 | david_ | so the pulse audio is messing up my phonon kde sound? |
| 15:48.26 | david_ | everything though was working before I tried to fix it where the sound would go through the speakers also. |
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| 15:49.40 | cb400f | skype does not use phonon.. so I don't think you have a phonon problem |
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| 15:50.07 | cb400f | if your problems were limited to phonon apps, then you could consider worrying about phonon |
| 15:50.55 | ksysguard | I forgot to say that I'm using kde 4.6.5 on fedora 15 |
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| 15:52.54 | david_ | It was all ok until I tried messing with the settings to get speakers working. I mainly experiemented with the pulse audio settings. That is when I first had the problem. |
| 15:53.42 | cb400f | yes, so you have a pulseaudio problem... most people do :-) |
| 15:53.58 | cb400f | pulseaudio is not kde |
| 15:54.56 | david_ | Well I messed with phonon too, its a jumbled up mess of a problem now. |
| 15:55.18 | david_ | I wish there were settings I could copy from somewhere that worked. |
| 15:59.13 | david_ | what if I tried to log out and log back in to a gnome desktop on this OS and see if things work there would that help in any way? |
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| 16:00.43 | cb400f | yes... then you'd know if the issues were limited to kde sessions |
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| 16:00.56 | david_ | ok I'll try that |
| 16:01.00 | cb400f | and you could narrow down the potential causes quite a bit |
| 16:01.03 | david_ | thanks |
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| 16:06.02 | rdieter | ksysguard: by guess is that top considers 'cache' as used, ksysguard does not |
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| 16:06.57 | rdieter | ksysguard: make that cached/buffers |
| 16:07.04 | rdieter | (in top-speak) |
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| 16:08.06 | ksysguard | Yes, it's a posibility. |
| 16:08.22 | ksysguard | is cache/buffer in ram ot in disk? |
| 16:08.26 | ksysguard | or |
| 16:08.57 | rdieter | ksysguard: ram |
| 16:09.46 | ksysguard | ok, so it's eating ram too, as a program or process does |
| 16:10.23 | rdieter | unused ram is wasted ram. :) |
| 16:10.46 | ksysguard | hehe, yes, you're right |
| 16:11.23 | ksysguard | but anyway the ram used by cache/buffer can't be used by a process in the future? |
| 16:12.36 | ksysguard | perhaps ksysguard should count it as used memory too? |
| 16:13.43 | rdieter | ksysguard: cached/buffers will defer to apps if they need it (google it) |
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| 16:13.59 | rdieter | it's definitely a FAQ |
| 16:14.55 | ksysguard | I didn't know that. Then I consider that ksysguard is correct ;-) |
| 16:15.24 | ksysguard | and top is wrong |
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| 16:15.26 | ksysguard | hehe |
| 16:16.05 | ksysguard | at least, for a normal user, that memory should count as free memory, as ksysguard says |
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| 16:16.48 | ksysguard | so... +karma for ksysguard, -karma for "top" ;-) |
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| 16:17.58 | ksysguard | thanks for your support, rdieter |
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| 16:18.51 | ksysguard | I'll add it to ksysguard wiki: http://userbase.kde.org/KSysGuard |
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| 16:21.05 | ksysguard | it's write-protected... :-( |
| 16:21.18 | ksysguard | well, thanks for your help |
| 16:21.21 | ksysguard | bye |
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| 16:44.57 | benkevan | is there a way I can assign a hotkey to something like: urxvt -e screen -c /home/bkevan/.screenrcwork |
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| 16:46.30 | aseigo | benkevan: yes.. you can create an entry in kmenuedit and then assign it a hotkey |
| 16:46.45 | benkevan | aseigo: uggg.. but it has to be a kmenu item? |
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| 16:47.46 | benkevan | any idea why the pager is required for workspace configuration? I'm very surprised that it's not part of the personal settings area (i.e., Number of rows:) |
| 16:48.02 | aseigo | benkevan: you can set it to be hidden... |
| 16:48.18 | aseigo | benkevan: in newer releases, the number of rows has been moved to kwin indeed |
| 16:48.28 | benkevan | aseigo: I'm on 4.7.2 |
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| 16:48.39 | aseigo | benkevan: the reason for that is a very odd historical detail from freedesktop.org circa the late 90s |
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| 16:49.31 | benkevan | aseigo: ah.. figured it couldn't have been an overlook (since everything else is so well done).. I'm moving back from 3.5.X days and dropped KDE during 4.0/4.1 to Fluxbox.. just installed it again, and I'm plesantly surprised. |
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| 16:52.29 | mgraesslin | benkevan: the "newer release" is 4.8 |
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| 16:54.16 | benkevan | mgraesslin: ah.. not in the openSUSE buildservice for 11.4.. |
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| 16:55.36 | mgraesslin | yes as it will be released in January |
| 16:55.58 | benkevan | mgraesslin: well then good thing that's not in the buildservice lmao. |
| 16:56.20 | benkevan | I have to congraluate you guys.. You've won be back over (although now I have to see why urxvt is acting all weird, and see if it's screen or not). |
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| 17:05.00 | benkevan | for konsole, can I remove the menu bar? |
| 17:05.13 | mgraesslin | ctrl+m |
| 17:05.27 | Wizard | good evening :) |
| 17:05.34 | benkevan | mgraesslin: that just does a new line.. within the terminal |
| 17:05.36 | benkevan | Wizard: Good morning. |
| 17:05.51 | benkevan | mgraesslin: ctrl+shift+m |
| 17:05.52 | benkevan | :) |
| 17:05.57 | benkevan | thanks. |
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| 17:08.18 | benkevan | is there any reasons why all my fonts don't show up when I do a "select font"? |
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| 17:10.07 | Occi- | I can't seem to find where I choose which way to align the titlebar. Does anyone know where it is? |
| 17:10.15 | benkevan | because the ones within the selection seem to waste way too much space. |
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| 17:10.21 | benkevan | Occi-: align the text in the titlebar? |
| 17:10.34 | benkevan | < would love an option to put the title bar on the side of a window, and not at the top :D |
| 17:11.05 | Occi- | aye, I'm having problems with a window decoration theme where the text is not centered right (it's centered between left border and min/max/close instead of left border to right border) |
| 17:11.19 | benkevan | Occi-: which theme? |
| 17:11.20 | aseigo | benkevan: awesome :) we've been working hard, so it's nice to see it working out for people... |
| 17:11.37 | Occi- | http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=120945 |
| 17:11.50 | mgraesslin | benkevan: all aurorae themes support that |
| 17:11.52 | benkevan | aseigo: I thought porting from 3.5 to 4.X and keeping up with the massive changes in QT was easy, not hard :D |
| 17:12.13 | Occi- | oh lol, it seems like it's like that for the developer as well |
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| 17:12.21 | Occi- | his titlebar isn't centered either |
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| 17:12.36 | benkevan | mgraesslin: nice, will that ever be default? (btw, I don't use title bars at all, so it doesn't make a big different, but it seems like it makes sense, since screen real estate is left to right and not top to bottom) |
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| 17:13.21 | mgraesslin | if a theme author designs it to be on the side it will be the default for that theme |
| 17:14.30 | Occi- | so I guess the code needs to be rewritten in order to change it? or is this a feature you can edit in system settings? |
| 17:15.12 | mgraesslin | sounds like a bug to me |
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| 17:15.15 | pumphaus | somehow my clipboard is busted... X selection works most of the time, but not always, and the "normal" clipboard with ctrl+c, ctrl+v only works as long as I don't open chromium or kopete |
| 17:15.50 | Occi- | me too mgraesslin , but if you check the screenshot on the page for the theme it's not centered right there either (it's centered betweeen left border and min/max/close as earlier stated) |
| 17:15.56 | Occi- | http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=120945 |
| 17:16.11 | mgraesslin | yes sounds like a bug |
| 17:16.51 | benkevan | http://www.picpaste.com/snapshot1-Sw3fR7i9.png < is a problem I'm having.. the fonts in konsole (right) are much worse then urxvt (right), but I don't see the font within the konsole (select font) window. how can I add / ensure all my fonts are being read in KDE (specifically for konsole) |
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| 17:20.03 | benkevan | weird.. my GTK stuff keeps "freezing" temporarily.. (non related to KDE obviously) |
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| 17:21.40 | benkevan | hummm.. another "how do I" question.. how can I assign a key shortcut to move current window to 1 to the next / previous workspace? |
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| 17:23.06 | mgraesslin | systemsettings -> shortcuts and gestures -> global keyboard shortcuts |
| 17:23.13 | Occi- | Ended up sending the developer an email, maybe he'll point me in the right direction :) |
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| 17:23.27 | mgraesslin | KDE component: KWin |
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| 17:23.31 | mgraesslin | Occi-: no need |
| 17:23.44 | mgraesslin | the "developer" is only a designer and cannot influence it |
| 17:23.57 | mgraesslin | and the developer of the theme engine is already aware of it |
| 17:24.14 | Occi- | ah, are themes in KDE made with programs and not hardcoded? |
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| 17:24.29 | Occi- | I'm new to KDE so pardon my lack of knowledge on the subject :( |
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| 17:24.55 | benkevan | very strange.. previous works, but next doesn't. |
| 17:25.01 | mgraesslin | some themes are hardcoded some aren't |
| 17:26.39 | benkevan | weird.. mgraesslin any idea why it'd only work on previous and not to next? |
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| 17:27.07 | benkevan | mgraesslin: my bad.. I configured window to next screen |
| 17:27.11 | benkevan | not window to next desktop |
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| 17:30.50 | benkevan | aseigo: welcome back |
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| 17:31.46 | Occi- | hmm.. even if I set a file type association it doesn't save, how come? :| |
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| 17:33.52 | Occi- | I'm in the FIle Associations part, chosing png, and adding kuickshow to Application Preferance Order (it's empty now), apply. But when I reopen File Asssociations it's empty again :| |
| 17:34.20 | benkevan | Occi-: did you say, save? :D |
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| 17:34.53 | Occi- | save? there are no save button here |
| 17:35.08 | Occi- | ok/apply are the only one I can think of, and those doesn't work :s |
| 17:35.34 | Occi- | the 'upding system configuration window' shows up, but I can't see a progressbar, and then it's gone and no change applied |
| 17:36.15 | benkevan | grrr.. not saving opaqe lmao. |
| 17:37.07 | benkevan | there.. had to set it to force in application behavior.. |
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| 17:45.12 | benkevan | just a few other things to fix, and I'll be happy as a clam. |
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| 18:26.09 | sheytan | hey guys, what do you think about such thing in KDE desktop http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2011/10/kiedy-dobre-rozwiazania-mogyby-zagoscic.html |
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| 18:40.23 | benkevan | can't change his background because going to desktop settings crashes plasma on 4.7.2 via opensuse buildservice :( |
| 18:40.26 | benkevan | any other way to do it? |
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| 19:01.51 | dchilton | I want to open a file using Kate, with root permissions, but keeping my current-user's Kate config/env. "su -" and "kdesu" both seem to inherit the root-user's config/env. A kludge for the config seems to be "ln -sf /home/dch/.kde4/share/apps/kate /root/.kde4/share/apps/", but not sure how wise that is. |
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| 19:42.35 | BarkingFish | dchilton, as far as I know, sudo should do that for you if you're set up as a sudoer on your system |
| 19:42.56 | BarkingFish | sudo let's a user run with root permissions using their own account |
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| 19:43.39 | BarkingFish | I'd imagine you'd do this: sudo kate <whatever file you want here> |
| 19:44.04 | BarkingFish | it'll ask you for your password (not the root one) and if you're properly set up, open the file for you |
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| 19:45.26 | dchilton | BarkingFish: Been working on that, and the sudoers file. Best I can do, so far, is get the ENV (some? all?) vars of my-user to be used. But kate insists on using the root user's ~/.kde4/share/apps/... |
| 19:46.23 | benkevan | hummmm.. brightness doesn't seem to be working well .. |
| 19:46.50 | benkevan | nevermind.. my screen is 100% bright, weird. seems so dark. |
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| 19:48.01 | benkevan | BarkingFish: realy sudo can allow a user to run w/ root permissions, but doesn't HAVE to be run as root permissions. (important to note that IMO) |
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| 20:16.14 | KWhat_Work | Is there a kde development channel ? |
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| 20:19.56 | KWhat_Work | When KDE sets the number of lines a scroll wheel event should scroll that only effects kde applications correct? |
| 20:20.29 | killown | How solve the problem of ugly font of the kde 4.7? I have installed it on ubuntu 11.10 but the fonts are very ugly |
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| 20:20.55 | KWhat_Work | killown: did you setup fonts in the system settings ? |
| 20:21.03 | killown | KWhat_Work, How to do that? |
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| 20:21.33 | KWhat_Work | System Settings under the Application appearance |
| 20:21.42 | killown | Ok, let me try it right now |
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| 20:44.35 | benkevan | which package includes the kopete account information? i went to add an account and the message server box is empty |
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| 20:51.05 | shane2peru | ok, I have a Kopete question, I tried in the Kopete room, but that room is deader than a door nail |
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| 20:51.53 | shane2peru | When I chat in kopete in Spanish, it goes fine, but when someone replies in Spanish with accented characters (Ãóúé) they are all messed up, I'm about 95% sure it has to do with encoding, any ideas?? |
| 20:51.57 | dchilton | Reading 'kate --help-all', I see a "--config <filename>" option that specifies the config file to use. But, "kate --config /home/dch/.kde4/share/config/katercALT" ignores the "katercALT" I specify. Is that the right config path/file to use? |
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| 21:05.43 | benkevan | wonders why krdc isn't using the clipboard on a connected rdp session |
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| 21:13.43 | RandomRoger | Is there a way to get rid of the activity button on the desktop ? |
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| 21:16.23 | cb400f | you mean the "toolbox"? |
| 21:16.37 | cb400f | .. you can move it to the corner and it transforms back into the "cashew" |
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| 21:20.10 | RandomRoger | Ok, thanks. |
| 21:20.13 | BarkingFish | I've never been able to get rid of it permanently, but all I do is move it till it disappears out of view, then shove a panel over it :) |
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| 21:20.55 | dalston | BarkingFish: I think there are some desktop theme/styles that obscure it enough to be practically invisible.. |
| 21:21.35 | RandomRoger | I just moved it to the corner where my panel is, so its no longer visible |
| 21:21.47 | BarkingFish | yeah, I use the basics though, air for my theme and norway for my color scheme. I've never been able to make it vanish entirely, dalston - i wish I could. |
| 21:22.59 | dalston | for anyone else curious about this.. http://hanschen.org/2008/10/23/plasma-how-to-remove-the-cashew/ |
| 21:23.04 | dyrvere | anyone could recommend a good soundfont (sf2) for fluidsynth btw? |
| 21:23.51 | BarkingFish | dalston, I don't have the cashew anymore. Mine is the "New Activity" button |
| 21:23.56 | pinotree | dyrvere: wrong channel? |
| 21:24.01 | Occi- | loving how customizable kde is :D well, lately been trying out gnome 3.2 and unity (not combined) so it's quite the shift :D |
| 21:24.09 | dyrvere | pinotree: Yes, sorry *slapface* |
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| 21:28.25 | mactalla | anyone here use kimpanel? |
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| 21:32.49 | JR_w | KDE -- I mistakenly dragged a desktop icon down into the panel. It is stuck there; how can I remove it??? |
| 21:33.23 | JR_w | (PCLinuxOS KDE |
| 21:33.29 | JR_w | ) |
| 21:34.20 | mactalla | JR_w: it's hidden behind the panel, or part of the panel? |
| 21:34.52 | JR_w | It shows behind the panel, but won't drag now |
| 21:35.14 | mactalla | JR_w: tried moving the panel out of the way to get at it? |
| 21:35.49 | JR_w | mactalla: how can I move the panel? I see various options, but not that one |
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| 21:36.30 | JR_w | If I delete the panel, do I lose all the icons now on it? |
| 21:36.43 | mactalla | JR_w: open the cachew for that panel, then the option beside "height" is "screen edge". Drag that to a different screen edge. |
| 21:37.06 | mactalla | JR_w: yeah, if you've configured it you probably don't want to nuke it. Just move it so you can move it back. |
| 21:37.45 | RandomRoger | KDE is the sexy |
| 21:37.51 | JR_w | OK ... Iwould have to remove the spacer, but I can put a spacer back in? |
| 21:38.20 | JR_w | Giving it a try; thanks |
| 21:38.27 | mactalla | JR_w: you shouldn't have to remove anything to change the screen edge. |
| 21:39.08 | JR_w | well, I have lots of icons on it... |
| 21:39.35 | benkevan | is there a way to do full screen on krdc where the panel will not overlap the krdc session? I just want krdc to go full usable screen, and not the entire thing over the panel. |
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| 21:41.34 | JR_w | mactalla: I gave up and removed it; now having to repopulate it, I guess. |
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| 21:41.59 | JR_w | brb |
| 21:45.25 | JR_w | Thanks mactalla |
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| 21:49.04 | ecki | hi, how can i make the fonts kde uses thicker? similar to the way they look in canonicals unity |
| 21:49.18 | Occi- | open application launcher and search for fonts |
| 21:49.21 | Occi- | and change the font.. |
| 21:50.14 | ecki | Occi-: assume I want to use the ubuntu typeface at 9pt |
| 21:50.39 | Occi- | http://font.ubuntu.com/ |
| 21:50.43 | ecki | then all charaters are drawn with a 1 pixel width |
| 21:50.54 | ecki | (i already have it installed) |
| 21:51.23 | Occi- | oh ok, then I guess you'd just have to play with AA, fonttype and size |
| 21:51.25 | ecki | but i want it to be, say 1.5 pixels wide |
| 21:52.03 | ecki | Occi-: jep, which i did without a pleasing result |
| 21:52.21 | Occi- | I'm sorry I just thought you'd wanted to have ubuntu font, but didn't think about thickness |
| 21:52.40 | Occi- | using ubuntu 9pt myself, standard AA and regualar fonttype |
| 21:52.55 | ecki | however, comparing unity and kde, there seems to be a way to have thicker rendered characters at the same textsize |
| 21:53.07 | ecki | in kde? |
| 21:53.18 | Occi- | I've noticed, but I have no answer. |
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| 21:53.38 | Occi- | The settings are more or less the same in 11.xx ubuntu and kde 4.7 |
| 21:53.45 | Occi- | AA and such |
| 21:54.28 | ecki | Occi-:allright, thanks anyway |
| 21:54.44 | JR_w | mactalla: Trying to re-populate new panel. How can I move the icons on it? |
| 21:57.47 | JR_w | Oh, I think I got it now... |
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| 22:48.19 | hoverbear | Hey all :) |
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| 22:56.03 | MystKid_ | hello |
| 22:56.04 | MystKid_ | hello |
| 22:56.27 | MystKid_ | i am trying to get the hardware temp widget to work. it doesnt find any sensors |
| 22:56.36 | MystKid_ | i am on 4.7.2 |
| 22:56.46 | hoverbear | MystKid_: Do you have lm_sensors? |
| 22:56.58 | hoverbear | Or acpi etc? |
| 22:57.06 | MystKid_ | i ahve lm sensors |
| 22:57.11 | hoverbear | Hmm |
| 22:57.14 | hoverbear | Not sure then |
| 22:58.00 | MystKid_ | i start kde with gdm |
| 22:58.03 | MystKid_ | could that be a problem |
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| 23:10.04 | MystKid_ | ? |
| 23:10.57 | Occi- | How come KInfoCenter is showing only 175 MB physical memory is left when no programs are using significant amounts of ram? http://www.thevoid.no/ch/upload/snapshot4.png |
| 23:11.24 | Occi- | I don't have a swapspace because I was told I didn't need it on my arch install when I have 4gb ddr3 and SSD.. |
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| 23:13.53 | AndroidLoverInSF | in dolphin, when you drag a file to a different folder, and unclick the mouse, it brings up a dialog Move, Copy, Cancel. Is there a way to have it skip that, and just move the file? |
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| 23:23.59 | hoverbear | Question: Choice distro for smooth KDE operation? |
| 23:24.02 | AndroidLoverInSF | never mind i figured it out |
| 23:25.16 | Belial` | hoverbear: everyone's mileage will vary, but i use kubuntu 11.10 which is pretty much a stock kde. and it runs real smooth. 4.7.x is a big improvement. |
| 23:25.29 | Belial` | 4.7.2 was also just pushed to the stable repos today. |
| 23:25.35 | hoverbear | Belial`: I'll try it out. Not a big fan of shuttleworth though |
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| 23:26.45 | Mogger | hoverbear: what distro do you normally use? |
| 23:29.35 | hoverbear | Mogger: Funtoo (gentoo derivative) |
| 23:30.37 | Mogger | hoverbear: ok, don't know about getting KDE running on it, but I guess you have to compile everything yourself as in gentoo? |
| 23:30.52 | Mogger | I personally use Arch and am very happy with it |
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| 23:53.49 | Belial` | for some reason when i play videos, whether through the browser or in dragon player, the screen turns off after about 10 minutes. i went into power settings and unchecked "dim display" and "screen energy saving" but it still blacks the screen out. |
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| 23:53.57 | Belial` | is there a workaround for this? |
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