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00:23.15chealerhi. I'm trying to submit a bug report but I get two red messages saying stuff like "Details on how to reproduce the problem were not provided. Please provide details on how to reproduce this bug so that other contributors have enough information with which to fix the bug." when trying to submit
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00:25.24chealerah, nevermind. I dropped the "&format=guided" from the bug reporting URL
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02:25.26nsarhi
02:25.53nsarmay i ask something about desktop freezing?
02:27.44nsaris it because of kde that it will freeze the apps of the previous user when i switch to another user? or xorg?
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02:31.49odiumI can't seem to drag windows across desktops.
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02:55.24ShdwdrgnRunning kubuntu, I've been using kde3.5 but wanted to check out kde4.  I have a dual-monitor setup, mouse and windows are behaving properly across the screens, however I cannot seem to find how to get the task bar to stretch across both monitors.  Any suggestions?
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03:13.23odiumkonsole doesn't source my /etc/profile when it starts bash? How can I resolve this?
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08:28.19fedorauserA short question. How is it possible to specify initial window position from command-line when starting application?
08:28.21fedorauserIs there something like `kstart --desktop 4 kcalc` for the window geometry?
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08:31.42pinotreefedorauser: see kcalc --help-kde
08:32.31thiagofedorauser: all X applications support the -geometry parameter
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08:35.34fedorauserpinotree: Well, kcalc was just an example. I need to start applications like vlc and firefox using this method. :) You can take gtkperf as an example
08:36.51pinotreewhat i said is valid for kde applications, for non-kde applications you'll have to find another solution
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08:44.37fedorauserthiago: unfortunatelly not all of them. I.e. gtkperf (a good X benchmarking tool) does not.
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08:56.53koniiiikSometimes I'm saying to myself KDE really needs an option not to shuffle all desktop widgets around each time it is run on a smaller screen size...
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10:35.43necro_how to start network applet
10:38.12necro_anyone know?
10:39.42necro_anyone see me?
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11:00.59BajKyeah yeah yeah recursive filling your /home partition. Just open .thumbnails folder with Preview mode enabled.
11:01.00BajKgreat thing this.
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12:46.12neurochromehey folks, i'm a new convert to kde4(.6) and have to say it is running very well on y latest machine, so kudos to the devs for that... one question though, I have the 'search box' on the panel, and it does nothing... is there something I'm missing here?  enter does nothing, and nothing is searched for... what am *I* doing wrong? ;)
12:46.23neurochromes/y/my
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12:50.45cb400fpanel? .. what distro is that.. vanilla kde doesn't have a search bar in the panel
12:51.08cb400fI assume if you added a search widget yourself you'd know what it was
12:51.17neurochromecb400f, I added the search widget to the panel, it wasn't there by deafult
12:51.40neurochromebingo... but it doesn't appear to work
12:52.20neurochromeI turned on indexing 'desktop search' (nepomuk/strigi)
12:52.40cb400fI guess that's for nepomuk... nepomuk/kde "desktop search" is beta level at best imho
12:53.05cb400fbut check that nepomuk and strigi are running and working
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12:53.26cb400fdoes file content search work in dolphin?
12:53.47cb400fif you want to search for filenames use kfind
12:53.56neurochromecb400f, I'll take a look... guy in kubuntu chan says it's for apps - which sounds odd, but it doesn't even find them, so meh!
12:53.56astartothhi all, using debian unstable and updated to kde 4.6.4.  Now I'm unable to mount ntfs. .Has this been reported?
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12:54.40odiumeverytime I startx my resolution changes back to it's original state.
12:54.44odiumcan I fix this permanently
12:55.09cb400fwhat's you gfxcard/driver and do you have an xorg.conf?
12:55.19odiumhmm.
12:55.22neurochromeodium, set your desired settings in xorg
12:55.41odiumok.
12:55.43cb400fhe can use krandr depending on his gfxcard and driver
12:55.59cb400f.. or e.g. nvidia-settings if he's using nvidia blob
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12:56.41neurochromecb400f, would be nice if that search widget used kfind... that works a treat
12:56.43neurochromecheers
12:56.44cb400falso might be distro specific toolz for it
12:57.29odiumI don't have an xorg.conf file.
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13:46.53lord_robHi ! Any body knows if I can show LaTeX code and pdf result side by side in kile ? I've been using texmaker simultaneously for a month and I think it's very useful
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13:58.52disseHey guys, I'm using KDE 4.6.3 and plasma. I have 4 desktops and a taskbar. If I switch an Application on another Desktop it is already showed in my Taskbar on the First Desktop. I want to split them. How?
13:59.43thiagoright-click the taskbar and configure it to show only tasks from the current desktop
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14:15.29sidhGreetings
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14:17.53sidhI'm discovering/configuring KDE 4.6.4 and I wonder how to set a keyboard binding to display the workspace (= put all windows in taskbar) ?
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14:25.45cb400fsidh: weird.. can't seem to find a kwin shortcut for that.. but if you add the "show desktop" widget you can configure a shortcut there
14:26.02cb400for just use ctrl+f12 (show dashboard)
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14:26.57dissethank you thiago
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14:32.12sidhcb400f: thanks I added the plasmoid
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14:47.39mtsirkindoes someone know how to get rid of: "QClipboard: Unable to receive an event from the clipboard manager in a reasonable time"
14:47.46mtsirkinand the associated delay
14:47.48mtsirkin?
14:48.39mtsirkinthis is with qt-x11-4.7.2-8.fc15.i686
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14:52.39mtsirkinfwiw https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=710854 in fedora
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15:35.33spiffytechIf I change my keyboard layout KDE app keyboard shortcuts still respond to the "real" keys so e.g. using the Dvorak layout I can't send "Ctrl-{" to Vim because Dvorak maps { to the - key and Konsole grabs "Ctrl--" as a shortcut. Anybody have a fix?
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15:44.10arkaschaCan anyone point me to a decent documentation of kio slaves (development) ?
15:44.37arkaschaAll the examples I can find use a completely different style and there is no information about what is required for a kio slave.
15:45.12thiagothe most recent docs you'll find are from KDE 2 era
15:45.16thiagothe design hasn't changed
15:45.24arkaschaI mean how am I meant to write a plugin without any specification ?
15:45.29thiagotake a look at the existing ones in kdelibs and kde-runtime
15:45.41thiagoderive from KIO::SlaveBase and do your thing there
15:45.44arkaschathose use different approaches, as it seems.
15:46.01arkaschaI did derive from KIO::SlaveBase, but what methods are required ?
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15:46.43thiagothe ones you want to provide implementations for
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15:46.58thiagobtw, #kde-devel
15:47.20arkaschayeah, thanks, I forgot that this channel is bursting with activity and should not be flooded.
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16:06.55mac^^^i'm using fedora 15 and was not happy with gnome 3 changes regarding virtual desktops ... so today I tried kde and I'm extremely satisfied and may start using kde
16:07.12thiagogood
16:07.56mac^^^I bet others make the same decision
16:08.28spiffytechmac^^^: Ditto; Tried Gnome Shell on F15 today and virtual desktops really don't play nice with multi-monitor setups. Jumped over to KDE and am working just fine.
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16:09.40mac^^^yeah I noticed probs with multiple monitors and gnome 3
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16:10.28mac^^^i also notice that kde seems much more configurable (at first glance) than gnome 3
16:11.18thiagothat's always been the case
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16:11.51spiffytechI found a blog post that seems to explain it- some Gnome dev decided that most people use an external display for showing presentations on projectors and don't want their presentation going away every time they change virtual desktops. Looks like he locked the secondary monitor to one virtual desktop. Don't know why he didn't just use the sticky window feature, but it's really annoying that changnig virtual desktops only changes one monitor in ...
16:11.52mac^^^maybe redhat ought to reconsider the "default" gui
16:11.57spiffytech... Gnome Shell
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16:14.14cb400fnext rhel will probably be in 4-5 years from now
16:14.27cb400fso much can happen with gnomeshell til then
16:15.06mac^^^when I said "redhat", I meant to also include fedora of course
16:16.16Sho_Anybody know if there's a way to reduce the icon size in the KMail folder list?
16:17.28mtsirkindoes someone know how to get rid of: "QClipboard: Unable to receive an event from the clipboard manager in a reasonable time"
16:17.31mtsirkinand the associated delay
16:17.35mtsirkinthis is with qt-x11-4.7.2-8.fc15.i686
16:17.56mtsirkinfwiw https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=710854 in fedora
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16:20.00thiagomtsirkin: it means the other side didn't reply in time. The problem is the other side.
16:20.26mtsirkinthiago, how can I find out what the 'other side' is?
16:20.37thiagomtsirkin: I don't know.
16:21.37mtsirkinthiago, I'm really after a fix for that, not placing the blame.
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16:55.03Yanroyhi all
16:55.25YanroyI'm running 4.6.3 on a laptop and the touchpad is causing all sorts of havoc while I'm typing
16:55.33YanroyI can't seem to find an option to disable it while I'm typing
16:55.39Yanroyhow can I do this?
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16:57.35arkaschaYanroy: take a look at 'synaptiks'
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16:59.52Yanroyis that a package?
17:00.39Yanroyarkascha: I can't find a package by that name
17:01.22Yanroyah crap, I have a meeting I need to go to right now... I'll be back :) thanks for your help so far
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17:08.25chealerYanroy: it could be. http://freshmeat.net/projects/synaptiks which distribution do you use?
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17:26.46odiumhelp, I'm a novice. Something is preventing me from being able to drag my windows from desktop to dektop.
17:26.52odiumsp/dektop/desktop
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17:28.07cb400fwhere? in the pager? desktop grid?
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17:30.04odiumthe cube.
17:30.10odiumso in general
17:30.29odiumI've managed to make it start the rotation animation when my windows approach the sides of the screen.
17:30.36odiumbut it doesn't rotate
17:30.54odiumand I can't drag a window to another side of this beautiful thing.
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17:32.14cb400fin systemsettings -> workspace behaviour -> screen edges ?
17:32.19cb400fyou have kde 4.6?
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17:42.01odiumI don't appear to have workspace behavior|behaviour
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17:42.33odiumcb400f, could that be my predicament
17:43.00cb400fwhat's your kde version?
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17:51.08odiumcb400f, I appear to have 4.5.5
17:51.36odiumdoes that make much of a difference, I know this feature worked in previous versions, or I would not be trying to make this work.
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17:51.38cb400fhm.. thought that had the same systemsettings naming as 4.6
17:51.53cb400ftry 'kcmshell4 kwinscreenedges' then
17:52.44odiumthat's nifty
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17:54.07odiumand also worked perfectly
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17:55.14odiumthanks.
17:55.25odiumcb400f, thanks again.
17:55.51cb400fjust a different way of starting the kcm.. it has to be present in systemsettings.. somewhere
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17:57.23sidhin kmail 4.6.4 I would like to retrieve all the mails of an account before switching offline
17:57.35sidhfor reading in train, how can I do ?
17:57.53sidhthis is an imap account
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18:02.48arkaschasidh: configure the account as "disconnected imap" and all is fine.
18:03.02arkaschasidh: you can read without any internet connection.
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18:25.00odiumthe panel taskmanager has vanished, how might I recover it?
18:25.37Yanroyodium: if the widget has been removed, you can readd it
18:25.53Yanroyit's on the list of widgets
18:26.31odiumand that list is where/
18:26.41odiumI have only the windows I had before it occured.
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18:27.01odiumI reduced the number of virtual desktops to 2 and ended up with no wigets at all and no menu.
18:27.11odium2 sided cube.
18:27.22odiumI should've known better then to f-with math.
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18:27.37Yanroydo you have a panel at all?
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18:27.46Yanroyor is it just missing the task switcher?
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18:38.02Yanroyis there a way for me to get windows that were on my 2nd monitor after I disconnected the 2nd monitor?
18:38.15YanroyI need to move them on screen
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18:39.39nesteaAlright, is there a way to have two connections on at the same time, say eth0 for my ps3 streaming and my wlan0 for my internet connection (with KNetwork Manager) ?
18:39.43odiumI don't have a panel or a taskswitcher, but I can drag windows over the edge of my virtual cube <3
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18:40.09nesteaI really don't wanna have to choose between streaming movies / tv to my PS3 and being online
18:41.28Yanroyodium: in the top right corner of the desktop there is a weird button, click it, then "add panel" and choose "default panel"
18:42.46odiumI like that button, but alas.
18:42.51odiumno button
18:42.58Yanroy??
18:43.06YanroyI didn't think it was possible to get rid of it
18:43.38odiumI never thought of anything so dreadful.
18:44.23nesteaexit
18:45.06odiumnevar!
18:45.11odiumok.
18:45.13odiumbrb
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18:49.43Yanroyis there a way to bring my windows from my 2nd monitor to my main monitor now that the 2nd monitor is disconnected?
18:49.50Yanroythey're off screen so I can't get at them right now
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19:17.04jthomasI have a rather clean .kde/ folder (wiped and rebuilt it a few weeks ago) and now, every new window is below my current window.  Trying to do anything with, say, a File menu > Save dialog, that new window goes below my current window.  Super frustratng and it happens in KDE, GTk, and Qt apps.  Can anyone assist with this?  (Debian Sd, KDE 4.6.3)
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19:19.03pinotreeright click on a window title → window configuration → activation → focus stealing prevention
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19:19.48jthomasfor every window, every app?
19:19.59pinotreeit isn't per app
19:20.14doomsteranyone noticing that SMTP transfer is broken in kmail 4.1.11?
19:20.16pinotreethe right click on window title is a shortcut to open the kwin configuration
19:20.40Sho_doomster: distro?
19:20.44doomsterDebian
19:20.49jthomasgotcha, but its set to Extreme.  I've tried that already.
19:20.56doomsterno hint in their BTS though
19:21.06pinotreejthomas: you have to lower it
19:21.11jthomasoh. lol.
19:21.22Sho_doomster: asking because when trying kdepim 4.6 on fedora earlier i had a problem with mail sending that turned out to be a packaging bug (missing dep on cyrus-sasl-plain, so plain auth wouldn't work against my smtp server)
19:21.31jthomasok, to what would be a good setting?  obviously something was stealing my focus too much but i don't know what.
19:21.47pinotreetry medium or low
19:21.50mgraesslinthe default is low
19:21.59jthomasok, medium now set.  thanks all
19:22.04mgraesslinyou can always add window specific rules for some windows
19:22.04Sho_Speaking of KMail, anybody know if there's a way to hide the unread mail count from the KMail system tray icon?
19:22.19mgraesslinSho_: yes, use LionMail
19:22.22jthomasSho_ yes there is tho i don't know it
19:22.27ozzzywhy even show the icon then
19:22.29nesteaIs there a way to get KNetWork Manager to have two active connections going at once instead of just one?
19:23.02Sho_ozzzy: for fast access and saving taskbar real estate ... just a habit from another client i used to use
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19:23.12cb400fSho_: you can exclude folders from the "action" of being shown in icon number at least
19:23.32cb400fat least in kdepim4.4.. so if all else fails you can do that for all folders
19:23.35Sho_cb400f: hm, let me look into that --
19:23.35Yanroyis there a keyboard shortcut for the window menu (the one you get from right-clicking the app title or clicking the window's icon)
19:23.41Sho_s/--/.../
19:23.48Sho_Yanroy: Alt+F3 by default
19:24.09pinotreecb400f: are you sure?
19:24.21YanroySho_: thank you!  I've been hunting for that for hours.  now I can rescue my windows from my disconnected 2nd monitor
19:24.34cb400fright click folder -> properties -> uncheck "action for new mail" or similar
19:24.52cb400fI've excluded a bunch of my folder from being shown.. so I don't get stressed out :-)
19:25.01Sho_Yanroy: System Settings -> Shortcuts and Gestures -> Global Keyboard Shortcuts -> KWin, for the future
19:25.29pinotreecb400f: but that won't make them notify when new mail comes
19:25.34YanroySho_: ok, thanks
19:26.19Sho_pinotree: as long as the Unread count in the window itself still updates that's what I want, I guess
19:26.21mgraesslinrecommends LionMail
19:26.36cb400fdunno how it affects other notifications.. for me the point was exactly to avoid notifications from non-important folders
19:26.36Sho_I don't really see how LionMail solves that issue :)
19:26.50mgraesslinit shows you about new mail without having the icon
19:26.58mgraesslinbut yeah for your usecase it wouldn't help
19:27.09mgraesslinI have KMail on an own desktop
19:27.27Sho_I absolutely hate unread acounts on icons like these, because they're distracting ;)
19:27.29pinotreewith s/kmail/kontact/
19:27.37Sho_*counts
19:27.50mgraesslinI used kontact till the day before yesterday
19:27.53Sho_Now, normally the trick I use is this: Instead of using the built-in icon, start the app through ksystraycmd
19:28.01mgraesslinnow I split it to one screen with Akregator and one with KMail
19:28.03Sho_But KMail+ksystraycmd doesn't work for some reason
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19:28.22Sho_i should probably focus my energy on debugginf why
19:28.48nesteaIs there a way to get KNetWork Manager to have two active connections going at once instead of just one? (say eth0 for a wired router) and wlan0 (for a wireless router of course)
19:28.54nesteaboth active at the same time
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19:29.17einar77nestea: I don't think NM itself allows to do that, but I may be mistaken
19:29.21Yanroynestea: mine has them both active by default, but the routing table is set up such that it only routes across one of them
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19:29.38nesteasigh
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19:29.55nesteasee, asking that in ubuntu im getting a lot of technical babel that doesn't mean crap to me lol
19:30.00nestea=\
19:30.04nesteadamn
19:30.08nesteaso windows has this one beat.:(
19:30.22Sho_cb400f: thanks, looks like that's exactly what I want ... in fact it's even better than disabling the count outright, this way i can leave it enabled for a couple of folders where i actually do need to act on mail swifly
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19:30.52einar77nestea: to be quite "soft" - network management (the one you call knetworkmanager) is actually a front-end for another program called "Network Manager")
19:31.00cb400fyep, I was quite happy when I discovered that feature not long ago myself :-)
19:31.29nesteayeah, I knew that much
19:31.35einar77cb400f: which PIM are you using?
19:31.42cb400f4.4.10
19:31.47nesteabut I'm not good enough to start editing the other without possibly breaking it completely
19:32.08Sho_I've tried KMail countless times over the years but never managed to make it past day 1 due to shoddy IMAP support. Now trying the new Akonadi-based KMail, which seems a lot better. And the UI and feature level is so much better than crappy Thunderbird.
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19:32.18slackmeisterIs there a way to make the icons go on the right side of the desktop when created and the name on the right side for the icon? (like mac) ?
19:32.22einar77nestea: *technically* two connections open is possible (because I do all the time with my VPN along with my network connection)
19:32.23cb400fwill test 4.7rc1 when it comes to opensuse kdf repo
19:32.29cb400fon secondary machine
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19:32.41einar77cb400f: you should have come to the dark side, since I'm a user of "that" repo ;)
19:33.16einar77cb400f: I use PIM 4.6 (now 4.7 actually) since a while ago, now it's much better
19:33.26einar77but speaking of notifications, some are broken it seems
19:34.02einar77I don't get them for non-inbox folders
19:34.40nesteai talked a few friends of mine they know its possible but they just cant remember how to do it
19:34.47einar77nestea: if you want a better answer to your problem, I suggest you ask on the KDE Community Forums
19:34.50nesteanor can they point me to a real 'starting point'
19:34.54nesteaalright
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19:34.59einar77nestea: forum.kde.org
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19:40.13chealerSho_: good to hear
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19:43.42doomsterSho_: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/4cbca775e4e76da6 - must have missed that one while checking the BTS
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20:31.43Yanroyhey guys, how can I make my laptop's touchpad not allow clicking while I'm typing?
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20:31.58YanroyI asked earlier and someone suggested something that I think was called synaptiks, but I couldn't find a package by that name
20:33.12chealerYanroy: which distribution do you use?
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20:33.37Yanroychealer: fedora 15
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20:35.12chealerYanroy: you may want syndaemon and touchfreeze. try asking #fedora for packages
20:35.32Yanroyok, will do.  thanks
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23:41.08mac^^^i am running fedora 15 with kde 4.6 .... when I launch a terminal (i think its actually gnome-terminal), it starts up but then immediately resizes it self to a very small terminal ... i can resize it but then it takes around 10 secs before I can type in it
23:41.28mac^^^i did google and saw several people with same problem
23:42.04axanon4.6.?
23:42.08mac^^^yes
23:42.21axanonwhich sub-version :P
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23:42.31mac^^^4.6.3-1
23:42.32axanoni'm on 4.6.3, but never had a problem like that
23:43.11mac^^^i should state that I previously used gnome 3 and have both gnome 3 and kde 4.6.3 installed
23:43.34mac^^^maybe that has something to do with it like a config issue in my home directory
23:43.43mac^^^I'm grasping at straws here
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23:44.33mac^^^I will say from what I've observed, I'm liking kde MUCH better than gnome 3
23:44.52mac^^^in spite of my little problem
23:45.43mac^^^maybe redhat/fedora ought to reconsider the "default" gui
23:46.30mac^^^axanon: you do realize I'm not talking about konsole, i'm talking about gnome-terminal running under kde
23:47.03axanonugh
23:47.20mac^^^no, thats what you get under the apps for terminal
23:47.28mac^^^it defaults to gnome-terminal
23:47.32mac^^^did for me
23:47.41axanonbut you had gnome3 installed already right?
23:47.45mac^^^true
23:47.58axanonare you planning on continuing to use gnome 3?
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23:48.09mac^^^leaning toward ditching it
23:48.43axanonuninstall gnome-terminal and possibly reinstall konsole (if needed)
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23:48.56mac^^^didnt at one time, konsole have the ability to print a selection?
23:49.14mac^^^I launched konsole today and tried to find a print option but didnt
23:49.29venky80__is anyone having virtuoso-t process issue in 4.7 rc1 ?
23:50.08mac^^^axanon: i'll try your suggestion
23:50.09axanonmac^^^: I'm not setup for any printing on this machine, so I don't know whether or not I would have options to print if I had the kde printer package
23:50.47mac^^^gnome-terminal also has no print capability (you have to cut and paste into gedit or some thing)
23:51.18mac^^^i'm lazy , I want to highlight lines and print right there
23:54.06axanonThat does sound like a good idea, though I don't see any support for it.. There is some kind of kde printer package (which I do not have installed) that *may* enable that kind of stuff, but I don't know
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