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00:35.17ccdI just installed the kds spin of fedora15, and I cant seem to figure out how to get the standard toolbar buttons that represent each open window...I looked through all the available widgets....
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01:00.51Sho_ccd: "Task Manager"
01:01.17Sho_you can also add a "Default Panel", that contains an instance of Task Manager
01:01.31BountyXHey guys there's a resizing bug when two windows are placed next to each other one windows column repeadily attempts to resize (going back and forth on an expanded and adjusted column size)
01:01.36BountyXIs this being looked into
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01:03.28BountyXI think I will file then ;)
01:04.30Sho_didn't comprehend the description
01:06.14ccdSho_, thanks, ya I fixed it by finding the default view.
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03:22.27xxzzy0, i've a couple of issues with kde on freebsd- 1. I can't set date from systemsettings, it returns dbus error 2. can't get translucency with certain backgrounds 3. will like to set different tasks on different workspaces, can someone please help me fix this
03:22.42xxzzs/a couple/3
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03:24.55xxzzmy hwclock is set to my local time
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05:04.14sonifymegoo is going to use the xserver soon
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06:01.00kickbackis there any way to set the scroll wheel action on the panel so that scrolling makes me switch between desktops instead of windows?
06:01.04kickbackkde 4.6.3 btw
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06:06.16NRCAndersonkickback: use xface
06:06.27NRCAndersonits the only desktop usable lefy
06:07.30kickbackyou mean xfce?
06:07.41kickbackno thanks
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06:15.22Vergekickback: It's not a property of the panel  but the task manager applet
06:15.33VergeYou can do mouse scroll over pager and it fill switch desks
06:16.07kickbackVerge: indeed
06:16.11kickbackmakes sense now
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06:18.19kickbackVerge: thanks. this will do :)
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07:04.52dknighthttps://bugs.archlinux.org/task/24370?string=rehibernation&project=1&type[0]=&sev[0]=&pri[0]=&due[0]=&reported[0]=&cat[0]=&status[0]=open&percent[0]=&opened=&dev=&closed=&duedatefrom=&duedateto=&changedfrom=&changedto=&openedfrom=&openedto=&closedfrom=&closedto=  I am having this issue and I think it is not distro specific.
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07:05.22dknightshould I file a bug in kde bugzilla
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07:08.12dknightI am using kde 4.6.3 on arch linux
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07:36.05dknightkded4 hangs up from time to time using 50% cpu. I have to restart it otherwise hibernation does not work, dolphin takes too long to open.
07:37.44barlasdknight: If you are sure it is not a distro specific issue, I think filing a bug in kde is the right choice.
07:38.02barlasJust make sure it is not already there.
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07:41.42dknightbarlas: I have checked it is not already there
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07:53.23dknightbarlas: there is a bug report stating a similar kded4 hang up but with a different starting point https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=274072
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07:56.51barlasIs that 50% of one core or 50% of total?
07:57.23pinotreedknight: check that launchpad bug mentioned in that bug report
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08:42.40fayaz_how can i add the dvorak layout in kdm login?
08:47.47Zbubenfayaz_: you need to configure xorg for this.
08:48.26fayaz_Zbuben: what's the easiest way to do that?
08:48.57Zbubenfayaz_: add a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d with an input section
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08:49.29Zbubenhttp://pastebin.com/B7kJMawX something like this may rulez :)
08:49.44Verge8
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08:54.41dknightpinotree: well is it a ntrack bug or a kde bug?
08:54.53pinotreethat is a ntrack bug
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08:55.43dknightpinotree: no response from ntrack yet?
08:55.53pinotreesee that bug
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09:01.03dknightpinotree: I guess I will have to post this bug in archlinux and wait for the packagers to pack newer ntrack soon
09:07.05hussamdknight, why not rebuild your ntrack package?
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09:14.22dknighthussam: yeah I will do it while I wait for them to make it available to others
09:15.27venom00uthello, I've downloaded the source of a kde app, how can I run tests?
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09:15.50venom00utwhen I give make test it says "can't find %TESTNAME%.shell, test not run"
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09:16.33barlasvenom00ut: You may want to try #kde-devel
09:17.04pinotreelooks like you downloaded an application skeleton?
09:17.41pinotreevenom00ut: which application did you download?
09:18.17venom00utktorrent, however I think the problem is that I've do run "make buildtest" before
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09:18.43venom00ut*I've to run
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09:21.10venom00utinfact, now it works
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10:44.13erdbeersometimes plasma-desktop crashes for no visible reason. /var/log/everything.log tells me that something segfaulted
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11:30.32soeehi, guys suddenly today i have problem with my desktop, i have only black screen and error widnow whows up that plasma-desktop couldnt be load but i can open apps using alt+f2 and kwin effects also work, any ideas what can be wrong ?
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12:14.07dos1hi!
12:14.40dos1could someone point me, where should i look for KNotificationItem API?
12:15.04dos1c++ api from KDE libs, not dbus spec
12:15.24dos1unfortunately, i was only able to find dbus one :x
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12:23.29dos1oh, nvm, found it: KStatusNotifierItem :)
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13:04.44MaximLevitskyIs there a guide on how to compile kde modules to /usr/local so that they work with the rest of the system
13:04.45MaximLevitsky?
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13:05.15MaximLevitskyLast time I compiled them, I had troubles and ended up setting prefix to /usr
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13:46.15rindolfMaximLevitsky: hi.
13:46.22MaximLevitskyHi
13:46.28rindolfMaximLevitsky: I have some scripts to build under /opt/kde$something
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14:18.01CMoHhello. i have a strange situation here: a few seconds ago i removed the system monitor widget from my desktop. however, i mistakenly hit ctrl+f12, got to the widget dashboard and it appears there. it is invisible outside the dashboard. i want to remove it, but i don't get that sidebar with the X button
14:18.13CMoHreplace seconds with sessions
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14:18.33CMoHanyway, where can i remove that? where is the list of widgets stored?
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14:20.34cb400f.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
14:20.50cb400f.. but you need to think twice before editing that file manually
14:20.52CMoHbtw, is this a known bug or
14:21.01cb400fsure your widgets aren't locked?
14:21.06CMoHthey're not
14:21.22CMoHand even so, why does it appear only within the widget dashboard?
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14:21.47cb400fare you using a separate dashboard?
14:21.58cb400for is your dashboard the same as the desktop?
14:22.06CMoHsecond option
14:22.18CMoHi have it configured just like plain old kde3
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14:22.23cb400fguess it got fscked up somehow
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14:22.44CMoHheh, might be so
14:22.59cb400fwell then.. nobody tests the folderview desktop activity >:-)
14:23.14CMoHah, so you're all using the new empty desktops?
14:23.56kdepepos/empty/structured by different folder views
14:24.07CMoHand all content is there through widgets
14:24.27CMoHyeah, that won't work for unstructured mindsets :(
14:25.16CMoHi still have to ask - i've seen all that jazz with new activity etc. is there any tutorial on the concept?
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14:25.37kdepepodidn't google find anything?
14:27.12CMoHwell, i'll search
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14:28.00kdepepoe.g. http://www.google.com/search?q=kde+activities+tutorial&hl=en&tbs=qdr:y
14:28.02CMoHin the meantime though, until i can focus on rearranging my desktop usage mindset, can i reset my plasma configuration to get rid of that ill-behaved widget?
14:28.11lucskehey, do kde source contain instrutions on how to compile on debian?
14:28.14CMoHthanks kdepepo - i was wondering what to search for :D
14:28.28CMoHthanks for the timesaver i mean
14:28.52cb400fCMoH: I just told you the config file... quit plasma.. nuke the config file.. and it's reset
14:29.35CMoHthank you as well, cb400f
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14:31.10cb400fyou'll prolly need to do it again after fiddling with activities in my experience ;-)
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14:32.51CMoHwell one is kindof enough
14:33.15CMoHi usually group my activities per virtual desktop
14:33.36CMoHanyway, i'll see if i can make use of more desktop setups
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14:40.17alban_Hi all
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14:41.21alban_I kinda would like to understand, what makes kde4 so slow ? I've been fighting and fighting to make it work, but kept getting sluggish GUI and random X-eats-my-cpu even with desktop effects disabled
14:41.48alban_I finally downgraded to kde3 and everything is really fine ever since
14:42.43alban_I have an oldish but decent laptop with a discreet geforce 7400, so I don't understand how kde4 runs so slowly on that, it's just a DE after all
14:43.39cb400fhttp://mschlander.wordpress.com/2011/01/23/kde-is-slow-for-dummies/
14:43.54cb400fhas gf6800 btw
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14:44.55cb400fread the comments too
14:47.45alban_cb400f: i've been reading that and applying that many times. I'll have another try in case someone had a genius idea since, but i doubt :)
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14:48.35cb400ftry a different widget style.. and try leaving compositing on, but with all individual effects off
14:48.49alban_cb400f: i see
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14:49.38alban_cb400f: how do you keep compositing without effects though ?
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14:50.28cb400fhttp://mschlander.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/effects.png <-- enable desktop effects there... then go to "all effects" tab, and turn all of them off
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14:50.57alban_cb400f: ah ok
14:51.08alban_cb400f: also I see oxygen might be an issue itself
14:51.38cb400fmight? .. it most definitely is an issue with nvidia blob.. particularly with animations on
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14:52.29alban_cb400f: but it's same with animations disabled
14:52.32alban_anyway
14:53.13cb400fjust try a different widget style and see if it helpz
14:53.42alban_let me see. I guess I'll have to reinstall kdm though, I'm on kdm3 now
14:54.49alban_cb400f: because really the speed difference between kde3 and kde4 is just night and day
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15:14.08CMoHfrom my experience python widgets (like veromix) are a good target to disable if you want kde4 to be fast
15:14.45CMoHtoo bad though - veromix is very good for mixer control with pulseaudio
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15:16.04CMoHalso, if you want performance disable the window glow - it's like the difference between 8086 and 80486
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16:03.28NRC_why is it that people keep joining and parting this channel and dont say anything ?
16:05.37CMoHhow can i demove an activity?
16:05.39CMoH*remove
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16:07.01alban_cb400f: so far it looks better, but we'll see after a while and a few susend-to-ram :)
16:07.07montfrasCMoH: open activity control panel
16:07.20montfrasclick the stop button to quit the activity
16:07.25montfrasthen you can remove it
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16:08.25CMoHty montfras - it killed my irc as well it seems
16:09.49|Slacker|what do activities do by the way
16:10.34CMoHheh - my question also a bit before
16:10.55montfrasCMoh: yeah, sorry, should have mentioned you should be on an other activity if you close one down :)
16:10.57CMoHapparently google
16:11.03CMoHknows
16:11.11CMoHyeah :D
16:11.26CMoHalso kicked out the widget dashboard shortcut it seems
16:11.44CMoHbut anyway, after removing all plasma-related settings from .kde it simply flies
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16:12.04montfrasgreat
16:12.04CMoHi mean performance got boosted like 10 years of computer evolution
16:12.38CMoHlet me relog though - see if the widget dashboard gets alive and kicking
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16:14.51CMoHi think getting rid of the folder view also boosted performance
16:15.27montfrasthat's possible, never heard that before though
16:17.09CMoHwell, i don't know
16:17.24CMoHi used to have a folder view activity, not just a widget
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16:18.55montfraswell, the more activity's the more resources your computer needs
16:19.16montfrasI 'stop' most of them if I'm not using them for a while
16:20.12CMoHi see
16:20.23CMoHdo activites also control runing applications or just the widgets?
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16:22.16VergeMeaning what?
16:24.22montfrasthey can control application as well
16:24.47VergeWindows can be activity-specific
16:24.56VergeBut support for that in KDE 4.6 is kind of poor
16:25.05VergeThe only control is a submenu in Kwin's context menu
16:25.10montfrasyea it's a wip
16:25.22CMoHi see
16:25.42CMoHwas wondering why konversation crashed when i stopped one of those activities
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16:37.18CMoHgreat - now i have a responsive desktop :)
16:37.40montfrasglad to hear that
16:38.58CMoHthanks for the hints
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16:54.40gameaccounthey. Is there anything like Gnome's Orca for KDE SC out there?
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16:55.03pinotreethat is a screen reader, isn't it?
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17:00.58gameaccountit is, indeed
17:01.10gameaccountpinotree:  you are right about that
17:01.31pinotreewe don't have anything for that in kde sc
17:01.43pinotreemaybe some 3rd party kde application, but i doubt that
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17:05.10gameaccountdoes orca work with KDE SC somehow?
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17:22.31G__81i am running KDE 4.6.3 in fedora 15 and if i watch a movie in a movie player in full screen mode it just slowly becomes slow and completely gets frozen but the same thing in gnome 3 does not happen
17:22.48G__81I dont see this as a driver problem. I am running nouveau driver
17:22.56G__81can someone help me to resolve this ?
17:23.09prostosuper_Did you try another players?
17:23.31G__81yes Dragon and VLC both have the same problem
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17:23.40G__81The same VLC in gnome works fine
17:23.54G__81this happens in full screen mode
17:24.20prostosuper_Any output from player?
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17:26.14G__81What happens is that it slowly becomes slow first the caps lock on and off becomes slow when i press it and then it just gives up nothing happens
17:26.34prostosuper_Launch player from console, and check whether it shows anything
17:26.53G__81Ok one sec let me try it out. Let me log in to KDE and try out
17:26.54G__81brb
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17:35.57G__81prostosuper_, i dont see the problem without desktop effects enabled
17:36.31prostosuper_Try to disable plugins one by one
17:36.44prostosuper_plugins=effects
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17:45.58G__81i found out the problem. its a Kwin problem
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17:48.38G__81prostosuper_, its a Kwin problem. Are there any updates in KWin for this ?
17:49.02prostosuper_Actually, I don't know
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17:52.44G__81prostosuper_, looks like its a Mesa problem. Its currently not fixed
17:54.07prostosuper_G__81: What is Mesa?
17:54.20G__81some Open GL implementation stuff
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17:59.19prostosuper_G_81: Have you been changing compositing type in Desktop Effects? There are two types: OpenGL and Xrender
18:00.06G__81I didnt change those at all
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18:01.22gameaccountG__81:  give a change a try, maybe  that helps
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18:02.14G__81I spoke to a person in Fedora-KDE sig and he says there is a problem with Mesa
18:02.23G__81and unless and until that gets fixed i ll have this
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18:26.03bbeckDoes anyone know of a way to get the context pane in Amarok to use the desktop plasma theme?
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19:03.50dD0TWhen coming out of suspend to ram my lockscreen displays a distorted image of what was visible on my screen before the system was suspended. Would KDE be the code reliable for this or is this more likely to be a driver or other component issue?
19:04.25dD0T(running SuSE tumbleweed now but had the same behavior with 11.4)
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19:45.21AbhishIs there a way to get the google talk plugin to work with konqueror or rekonq?
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20:58.18MookHi! I seem to be able to reproduce bug 253159 - but unlike comment 1 suggested, I'm on Qt 4.7.1-7.1 (according to the suse package manager, anyway). I see that comments 4, 6, and 7 are also Qt > 4.7.0. What is the proper way for me to deal with this?
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21:02.45Mook(to be explicit: opensuse 11.4; kdelibs4 4.6.0-6.13.1; libqt4 4.7.1-7.1; ktorrent 4.1.0-1.3.1; x86_64. presumably the versions after the dash are distro patch levels.)
21:03.40kdepepofind out which .ui it tries to load, and create a minimal Qt test case.
21:04.09Mookthat, umm, sounds fun.
21:04.32kdepepoit could be a python or bindings problem, too.
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21:07.32BeholdMyGloryHey, for some reason knotify4 is using up 2,9G RAM for me, what is going on?
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21:09.27kdepepoBeholdMyGlory, try a different Phonon backend
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21:38.35Mookgah, the minimal application _didn't_ crash.
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21:54.22ozzzyI hate it when ktorrent pukes on a file
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22:03.49Zenguy_pchwo can I get pclinuxos to omit commands/entries  into bash from ~/.bash_history
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22:05.07Zenguy_pcI'm used to prefacing each command/entry with a space in ubuntu so that the command is omitted from ~/.bash_history but that doesn't work on pclinuxos kde
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22:23.47ozzzyZenguy_pc: tried linking .bash_history to /dev/null
22:23.53ozzzy[shrug]
22:24.23pinotreeexport BASH_HISTORY=/dev/null, iirc
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22:25.23Zenguy_pcozzzy: i just want to omit commands/entry for when I preface them with a 'space'
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22:29.01KebianizaoHello
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22:29.58KebianizaoI have trouble viewing twitter.com on konqueror (4.6.3), for instance www.twitter.com/acampadasol .could anyone confirm this?
22:31.37Zenguy_pcKebianizao: this https://twitter.com/#!/acampadasol opened right up in firefox 4.0.1
22:31.45ozzzyZenguy_pc: ahhh
22:32.31KebianizaoZenguy_pc: right, it works on FF and also in rekonq. but I have no success in konqueror :/
22:34.29Zenguy_pcKebianizao: ok i don;t see anything in Konqueror ,just rge top search bar of twitter
22:35.04KebianizaoZenguy_pc: right, same here :S
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22:35.23Zenguy_pcozzzy: any ideas as to solving this problem?
22:35.40KebianizaoI had the same trouble on 4.4.5 I hoped upgrade would work, but unfortunately not
22:36.18DaskreechZenguy_pc: is that a bug in Ubuntu
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22:36.59Kebianizaostrange thing is that such a major issue is not reported, in fact twitter related reports point to a regular (yet not perfect) behaviour with twitter
22:37.12KebianizaoDaskreech: Debian here
22:37.53Zenguy_pcDaskreech: no it's a feature.. if I type in bash/shell '# man top' it's ommited from  ~/.bash_history but typing in '#man top' is committed to ~/.bash_history
22:38.19DaskreechKebianizao: The space omitting from .bash_history
22:38.48DaskreechZenguy_pc: Where is that documented? Did you read through your .bashrc to see what's included?
22:38.57Kebianizaooh, sorry. I thought you were talking about my issue
22:39.56Zenguy_pchttp://pastebin.com/313tQfTd
22:40.37Zenguy_pcKebianizao: do you use Konqueror regularly?
22:41.05KebianizaoZenguy_pc: I do, I'm a real konqueror guy
22:41.33Kebianizaounfortunately this and other troubles are making me research for alternatives...
22:42.05Zenguy_pcKebianizao: what's so great about it?
22:42.44Kebianizaoit's very well integrated and it doesn't need a lot of resources.
22:43.14KebianizaoI also wanted to boost and help testing it (by using it)
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22:43.52Kebianizaonot to forget there are some interesting all-time features, now easily found in others, but formerly not...
22:44.42dziadui have installed kde-4.6.80
22:44.47Zenguy_pcKebianizao: i might use it more often.. but these day's I'm downloading like crazy and firefox has suited me well.
22:44.49dziaduwhilke running kdevelop I get message:
22:45.13dziaduCould not find KTextEditor::Factory, check your installation.
22:45.14dziaduMake sure that KDEDIRS is set properly and that you ran kbuildsycoca4.
22:45.41dziaduin generall, all aplications which use kate are borken: kate, kile, kdevelop
22:45.48KebianizaoZenguy_pc: well, if I'm here it's because there are no good days for konqueror, unfortunately
22:46.42Zenguy_pcKebianizao: it doesn;t seem liek iw will be abandoned..
22:47.34KebianizaoZenguy_pc: what are the plans then?
22:48.31ozzzyZenguy_pc: nope
22:49.17Zenguy_pcKebianizao: it's pretty well integrated into kde even though I like dolphin ...that's like saying microsoft will do away with explorer.exe , there are no signs of such a move
22:50.07ozzzyI almost never use Konq
22:50.08Kebianizaook, but I'm talking about konqueror as browser :)
22:50.15ozzzyfor anything
22:50.16ozzzyLOL
22:50.34Kebianizaoso I think I'm focusing on khtml
22:53.50Zenguy_pcKebianizao: nowadays I just want to archive things.. there are other browsers that help me do that with ease.. i'll give konqueror a whirl though.. it bugs me that firefox download manager will open .nzb file with konqueror even though dolphin knows to open it with my usenet client
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23:12.27valorieare you coming to Randa for the sprint?
23:13.09DaskreechNope i'll be flying in the opposite direction :)
23:13.34valorieboo, we could have hugged in person
23:13.39valoriewhere are you going?
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23:15.08pmwHi, all. I am trying to get Akonadi to work with PostgreSQL 9.0. When Akonadi starts, it attempts to start a copy of postgresql for its own datastore. It passes a "-w" argument, and the 'postgres' binary immediately exits  with an error that this argument is invalid. Does anyone know where this argument is defined?
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23:23.44ChALkeRCan anyone please test a simple bug? I'm on 4.7.beta1, and i'm not sure if i should report it.
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23:25.23ChALkeRImave previews in file dialog, dolphin, and dolphin kpart have black background instead of transparent for some images.
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23:25.50Daskreechvalorie:   Indiana
23:25.58ChALkeRCan anyone check it on stable KDE?
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23:27.16valorieI'll be flying near it, as I recall
23:27.28ChALkeRhttp://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3088/optipng.png - this is the test image, just wget it and open that folder in konqueror or dolphin with previews turned on.
23:27.45ChALkeRIt should not be black.
23:28.05valoriethank goodness not flying non-stop to Amsterdam - stopping in Minneapolis, I think
23:28.13ChALkeRBut it is for me.
23:28.23valorieChALkeR: I see a small red square
23:28.27valorietop-left
23:28.56valorieoh, sorry, didn't wget
23:30.02ChALkeRLet me explain.
23:30.29ChALkeRhttp://img836.imageshack.us/img836/4275/134f.png - this is what i mean.
23:30.41valorieyes, in dolphin preview it is indeed black
23:30.52valoriealthough not in qwenview
23:31.04valoriei never use previews
23:31.07valoriethat's slow!
23:31.19valoriebut it is pretty
23:31.31ChALkeRhttp://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8640/orig.png - and this is the good one, that works for me.
23:31.45pinotreeblack even with 4.6.3, fyi
23:32.04valoriehas 4.6.3 as well, kubuntu
23:32.19ChALkeRI think i'll create a bug report.
23:32.42valorieorig.png is indeed white in preview
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23:32.58ChALkeRtransparent
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23:35.37valorieheh, that showed me some cruft I could delete from there
23:35.39valoriethanks
23:35.40valorielol
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23:54.15ChALkeRDone. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=274394
23:54.39ChALkeR#274394
23:54.51ChALkeRWhere is the bug bot?
23:56.21ChALkeRAh, it is on #kde-devel.

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