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| 00:33.29 | DeltaEpsilon | it takes so long for Amarok to start :-( |
| 00:34.31 | kde_pepo | listen to some music in the meantime ... |
| 00:35.45 | DeltaEpsilon | how do I listen to some music if Amarok is not finished starting up? |
| 00:36.29 | Belial` | and....totally missed the sarcasm on that one. |
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| 00:39.38 | jam3s2001 | I need some serious help with my kde update |
| 00:40.09 | jam3s2001 | well, that sound noobish |
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| 00:40.35 | jam3s2001 | I emerged the latest kde, and for whatever reason, my folder view has decided to make itself on top of everything |
| 00:41.03 | fenugreek | sounds rather like a preference thing |
| 00:41.12 | jam3s2001 | I didn't set it that way |
| 00:41.20 | jam3s2001 | it did that after updating |
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| 00:41.42 | jam3s2001 | but I can't fix it |
| 00:41.59 | jam3s2001 | it was just doing it -sometimes- and a logout and log back in would repair it |
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| 00:42.57 | jam3s2001 | the folder view is on top of EVERYTHING |
| 00:43.04 | jam3s2001 | except yakuake, ironically |
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| 00:43.57 | fenugreek | oh sometimes, really |
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| 00:44.07 | fenugreek | you might try moving your ~/.cache elsewhere, temporarily |
| 00:44.13 | fenugreek | close X, move, start X |
| 00:44.25 | jam3s2001 | ok, I will try that |
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| 00:52.01 | jam3s2001 | so moving my .cache didn't fix it |
| 00:52.43 | jam3s2001 | desktop is still on top of all of my windows and my panel |
| 00:53.43 | fenugreek | jam3s2001: did you check bugs.gentoo.org yet? |
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| 00:57.01 | kde_pepo | I've heard that before ... try "kquitapp plasma-desktop" in Alt-F2, then "plasma-desktop" in Alt-F2 |
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| 00:57.24 | fenugreek | jam3s2001: ^ |
| 00:57.28 | jam3s2001 | kde_pepo: alt+f2 gets pushed to the back |
| 00:57.31 | jam3s2001 | but I've got yakuake |
| 00:57.57 | jam3s2001 | fenugreek: I can't get a browser running, btw, because it is behind my folder view |
| 00:58.52 | fenugreek | jam3s2001: ...you can use CTRL+ALT+F2 |
| 00:59.08 | fenugreek | or you can just type it blind, doesn't matter if you can see it |
| 00:59.12 | jam3s2001 | fenugreek: yes, I can do that... |
| 00:59.26 | jam3s2001 | when you said alt+f2, I was thinking kde shortcut |
| 00:59.38 | fenugreek | kde_pepo said that, and it is a shortcut |
| 00:59.44 | fenugreek | but you can run the commands from anywhere |
| 00:59.57 | kde_pepo | console won't work for starting plasma ... no display set :P |
| 00:59.58 | DeltaEpsilon | I can finally uninstall firefox |
| 00:59.59 | jam3s2001 | indeed, which, like I said, I am doing from yakuake |
| 01:00.00 | fenugreek | he was offering alt-f2 as a single example |
| 01:00.12 | DeltaEpsilon | I don't need it to watch Youtube any more |
| 01:00.13 | fenugreek | then you can prepend DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 01:00.22 | fenugreek | DeltaEpsilon: did you ever?... |
| 01:00.22 | DeltaEpsilon | Minitube does it great |
| 01:00.26 | fenugreek | what's minitube? |
| 01:00.33 | DeltaEpsilon | a youtube "client" |
| 01:00.37 | DeltaEpsilon | for kde4 |
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| 01:00.53 | DeltaEpsilon | try out Minitune for kde4 ;-) |
| 01:01.05 | DeltaEpsilon | it is a little nice kde4 usic player |
| 01:01.08 | DeltaEpsilon | music |
| 01:01.09 | DeltaEpsilon | love it |
| 01:01.59 | DeltaEpsilon | http://flavio.tordini.org/minituneshttp://flavio.tordini.org/minitunes |
| 01:02.01 | DeltaEpsilon | http://flavio.tordini.org/minitunes |
| 01:02.09 | DeltaEpsilon | it looks awsome with the default kde4 theme |
| 01:02.36 | fenugreek | why were you using firefox for youtube? |
| 01:03.08 | DeltaEpsilon | fenugreek: because flash is very unstable in Rekonq |
| 01:04.15 | fenugreek | what's rekonq? |
| 01:04.35 | DeltaEpsilon | google it ;-) I need to go sleep |
| 01:04.47 | jam3s2001 | deleted my .kde4, and for the most part, it solved my issue |
| 01:05.03 | jam3s2001 | so if anyone else comes across this problem, just have them remove their profile |
| 01:05.42 | fenugreek | DeltaEpsilon: why weren't you just using konqueror? |
| 01:06.02 | DeltaEpsilon | fenugreek: flash is also unstable in Konqueror |
| 01:06.10 | DeltaEpsilon | I am using 64bit os btw |
| 01:06.12 | fenugreek | k... |
| 01:06.16 | fenugreek | that doesn't matter |
| 01:06.20 | DeltaEpsilon | yes it does |
| 01:06.22 | fenugreek | unless you're using an old version of Flash |
| 01:06.38 | DeltaEpsilon | flash is 32bit running with a wrapper |
| 01:06.48 | DeltaEpsilon | it is very unstable |
| 01:07.01 | fenugreek | only if you're using an old version |
| 01:07.01 | DeltaEpsilon | anyway. I need to sleep |
| 01:07.06 | fenugreek | there have been 64-bit builds of Flash for some time |
| 01:07.07 | jam3s2001 | hey, are we discussing flash crashing firefox? |
| 01:07.10 | DeltaEpsilon | I have 4 hours left to sleep |
| 01:07.28 | fenugreek | jam3s2001: sorta |
| 01:07.29 | jam3s2001 | err, crashing X while watching youtube in firefox |
| 01:07.44 | fenugreek | crashing X? That'd be special |
| 01:07.47 | jam3s2001 | because I'm having that problem in fullscreen mode when something else pops up on screen |
| 01:08.14 | jam3s2001 | well, I'm thinking it is segfaulting something, I'm not sure if it is X or KDM because I haven't really had the will to go through the logs and find what's going on |
| 01:08.51 | jam3s2001 | all I know is video player app in full screen (not only youtube) will crash X if anything else comes up |
| 01:09.07 | fenugreek | ah, well that's not a Flash bug, then, is it |
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| 01:09.35 | jam3s2001 | does it in chrome, too |
| 01:09.58 | jam3s2001 | so I can only point my finger at flash, some kde component, or X |
| 01:10.10 | jam3s2001 | furthermore, it doesn't always crash |
| 01:10.21 | jam3s2001 | brb, switching to xchat, now that I've got my desktop back |
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| 01:12.09 | Jam3s2001 | anyways, I've just been kinda hoping it might be an issue with my setup... maybe a bad cflag or something |
| 01:12.20 | Jam3s2001 | I don't fullscreen youtube enough to care |
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| 01:49.25 | RingtailedFox | hiya, guys... having issues with plasma desktop crashing again... it took off with my task bar |
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| 01:49.50 | RingtailedFox | when i type "plasma-desktop" in konsole, i get this weird error: Invalid D-BUS interface name 'org.kde.plasma-desktop.PlasmaApp' found while parsing introspection |
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| 01:53.35 | EgoProctor | I am running mint 10 lxde and it looks like I am working with kde4 |
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| 05:20.04 | boombatower | is this a known issue? http://i.imgur.com/IcvQm.png |
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| 05:20.52 | boombatower | same in reverse if I drag up |
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| 05:31.01 | Verge | boombatower: Got to be |
| 05:31.10 | Verge | I've had several 'issues' with the blob |
| 05:32.22 | Verge | But if you just mean it overscrolls temporarily, I think that's just poorly misjudged eyecandy |
| 05:32.56 | boombatower | Verge: no the mouse actually moves further then it does |
| 05:33.06 | Verge | Mouse? |
| 05:33.08 | boombatower | you first click on the header to move it and drag down, but the mouse gets ahead of it |
| 05:33.18 | boombatower | cursor |
| 05:33.22 | Verge | oh yea |
| 05:33.23 | Verge | I can see that |
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| 05:33.34 | boombatower | not lagg since when you stop still stays |
| 05:33.47 | Verge | yes |
| 05:42.21 | crazy_pete | anyone know where i can find more information on the reasons KDE moved to cmake? I am trying to do some research on cmake |
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| 05:44.26 | Verge | Google seemed to work |
| 05:44.44 | crazy_pete | i got one article off google that said "Well libtool is slow" |
| 05:45.05 | crazy_pete | and about 200 pointers to that article :) |
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| 05:50.27 | Verge | http://lwn.net/Articles/188693/ |
| 05:50.30 | Verge | The very first link |
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| 06:05.32 | Jam3s2001 | so my timezone pool in kde is a little bit lacking... |
| 06:05.41 | Jam3s2001 | seems I only have UTC |
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| 07:09.54 | Guest38218 | you think resizing windows will get smooth one day in kde? |
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| 07:31.44 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 07:31.52 | Verge | EugenA: Has been for years now |
| 07:32.05 | Verge | Was it Qt 4.4 or 4.5 where it was fixed |
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| 07:39.09 | rindolf | How do I align the Kate window to the right? |
| 07:39.30 | rindolf | <rindolf> Kate displays my Hebrew text aligned to the left, and I want it aligned to the right. How can I do that? KDE-4.6.2 on Mandriva Cooker on x86-64. |
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| 07:42.32 | Verge | rindolf: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173657 |
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| 07:45.21 | rindolf | Verge: I reported this bug. :-S |
| 07:45.32 | rindolf | Verge: Ctrl+Shift does nothing. |
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| 07:54.40 | rindolf | Verge: how the hell do I fix it here? |
| 07:54.51 | rindolf | I checked that Ctrl and shift do the right thing. |
| 07:54.58 | rindolf | It's OK on my x86-32 desktop machine. |
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| 07:55.28 | Verge | It's not dependant of x86/x86-64 |
| 07:55.44 | paristo | Hi, How I can change Oxygen theme back one what was on 4.6.2? |
| 07:56.06 | Verge | System Settings |
| 07:56.48 | paristo | Verge: Not about changing theme. The 4.6.3 update change the Oxygen theme to new one with new folders and other icons. |
| 07:57.56 | Verge | Interestingly so |
| 07:58.00 | paristo | As is there a possible old Oxygen-icons theme delivered for upstream? |
| 07:58.06 | paristo | *for downstream |
| 07:58.12 | Verge | Check www.kde-look.org |
| 07:58.24 | Verge | mmm-mm |
| 07:58.28 | Verge | This new Oxygen looks nice |
| 07:58.34 | Verge | I might start using it |
| 07:58.39 | pinotree | paristo: ask your distro to revert the package to the 4.6.2 version |
| 07:58.50 | Verge | That's just useless |
| 08:00.06 | paristo | Verge: I like many of the new style icons, like color folders have meaning and better looking. Default one just does not fit at all to any other icon anymore, where others are shiny, the folder is matte. |
| 08:00.38 | paristo | pinotree: need to ask to do a secondary package for that or clone the oxygen style so it can be installed next to new one. |
| 08:02.14 | Verge | Just rename the directory and modify a row in a .desktop file |
| 08:02.20 | paristo | The new oxygen icontheme looks too much from Mac OS X and GNOME. Specially the etched effects like on Leopard. |
| 08:02.39 | paristo | Verge: Might need to do that... |
| 08:02.52 | Verge | No 'need' in it |
| 08:02.55 | Verge | Simple as anything |
| 08:03.06 | Verge | Easier than to go cry to package master |
| 08:03.22 | Verge | Then upload it to KDE-Look if it isn't there already |
| 08:03.58 | pinotree | what about simply _ask_, instead of _cry_? |
| 08:04.29 | paristo | Yes? |
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| 08:05.45 | paristo | Is the icon thing what brought now to 4.6 with small update a test or what? Wasn't it suppose to come with 4.7? |
| 08:06.27 | Verge | http://univerge.no-ip.org/public/oxygen-legacy.tar |
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| 08:06.32 | Verge | There's a ready-made package |
| 08:07.36 | Verge | The folder icons have a strong contrast |
| 08:07.39 | Verge | Takes some time to adapt to |
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| 08:10.44 | rindolf | Verge: hi. any idea? |
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| 08:10.55 | Verge | rindolf: no |
| 08:11.38 | rindolf | Verge: OK, thanks. |
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| 08:14.32 | paristo | Verge: Thanks. I just rolled old version and made it as new theme and just sending to my friend as well. |
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| 08:30.20 | BladeFreak | kded4 is hogging my cpu power , always more than 50%, so I decided to kill it for good, will that cause me any problems? |
| 08:30.38 | thiago_home | yes |
| 08:30.48 | BladeFreak | like? |
| 08:30.54 | thiago_home | for example, no cookies |
| 08:31.04 | thiago_home | hiding of items on the systray |
| 08:31.19 | thiago_home | bluetooth support, if you have that |
| 08:31.39 | thiago_home | audio device detection |
| 08:31.46 | thiago_home | network status |
| 08:31.57 | Verge | BladeFreak: If you restart X, the old kded4 daemon goes bonkers |
| 08:32.10 | Verge | You need to kill it but you can leave the one from current session running |
| 08:32.44 | Verge | It also might go bonkers if you something hazardous like press the shutdown button |
| 08:34.22 | BladeFreak | Verge: there is only one to kill, it's the one from the current session |
| 08:35.26 | Verge | too bad |
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| 08:46.24 | annma | rindolf: when I copy/paste hebrew from KDE Hebrew website in Kate it makes it RTL |
| 08:46.35 | rindolf | annma: OK. |
| 08:46.40 | annma | try it plezse |
| 08:46.50 | annma | http://il.kde.org/ |
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| 08:46.58 | annma | copy paste text from here to Kate |
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| 08:48.09 | annma | so can you reproduce this rindolf? |
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| 08:48.26 | annma | can you now tell me how to reproduce your problem? |
| 08:49.28 | rindolf | annma: still in the wrong direction. On a new file. |
| 08:49.39 | annma | what is on the wrong directoion |
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| 08:49.46 | rindolf | annma: and I can type Hebrew just fine using my keyboard. |
| 08:49.46 | annma | please be PRECISE |
| 08:49.50 | annma | no |
| 08:49.57 | annma | I was asking you a question |
| 08:50.07 | rindolf | annma: the "ש×××" is. The Hebrew text. |
| 08:50.16 | annma | rindolf: when I copy/paste hebrew from KDE Hebrew website in Kate it makes it RTL, do you reproduce this? |
| 08:50.25 | annma | this is the question |
| 08:50.57 | rindolf | annma: OK, let me see. |
| 08:51.00 | annma | the KDE He website being http://il.kde.org/ |
| 08:51.19 | annma | copy and paste text from there to a new Kate document |
| 08:52.14 | rindolf | annma: done - still aligned to the left. |
| 08:52.21 | annma | really? |
| 08:52.26 | annma | screenshopt? |
| 08:52.45 | rindolf | annma: wait a sec. |
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| 08:54.40 | annma | mine: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/13/plasma-desktopf17043.jpg |
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| 08:57.19 | kbx__ | When I click with my mouse on a tray icon, the corresponding program (e.g. kmail) pops up on the current desktop. Can I change the behavior such that the desktop display is changed to where the program (main) window is located? |
| 08:57.27 | annma | points rindolf to ksnapshot and pastebin applet |
| 08:57.49 | annma | you drop the ksnapshot pic into the applet and you're done rindolf |
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| 09:03.24 | rindolf | annma: wait a sec. |
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| 09:04.32 | rindolf | annma: http://imgur.com/kXXhR - sorry for the delay. |
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| 09:05.49 | annma | did you copy/paste text from http://il.kde.org/ ? |
| 09:06.10 | rindolf | annma: yours look fine. |
| 09:06.12 | rindolf | annma: yes, I did. |
| 09:06.16 | rindolf | annma: or wrote it directly. |
| 09:06.22 | annma | different |
| 09:06.26 | rindolf | annma: I'm not that stupid. |
| 09:06.29 | annma | I asked you to copy/paste |
| 09:06.44 | annma | well you arenot able to express your bug correctly |
| 09:06.58 | rindolf | annma: I copied/pasted it. |
| 09:07.11 | rindolf | annma: it's reproduce - not express. |
| 09:07.15 | annma | so open a bug report to Kate |
| 09:07.37 | annma | I can't reproduce as I don' have your clear steps to do so |
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| 09:08.58 | annma | ×£×£×£×£×£×£ |
| 09:09.03 | annma | see |
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| 09:09.20 | rindolf | annma: OK, it's fine on the Kate on my desktop machine, from remote X. |
| 09:09.25 | annma | when I switch keyboard in Konversation to Hebrew, what I type is RTL |
| 09:09.29 | rindolf | annma: but kate via remote X is slow. |
| 09:09.34 | rindolf | annma: OK. |
| 09:09.37 | rindolf | I'm using XChat for IRC. |
| 09:09.38 | annma | same with Kate |
| 09:09.41 | annma | whatever |
| 09:09.48 | annma | xchat is not kde |
| 09:09.54 | annma | we're in #kde |
| 09:10.22 | annma | when in Kate I switch keyboard to Hebrew and I type, everything is RTL automatically |
| 09:10.23 | rindolf | I'm running Xchat on top of KDE. |
| 09:10.28 | annma | whatever |
| 09:10.31 | rindolf | annma: OK, thanks for the info. |
| 09:10.31 | annma | when in Kate I switch keyboard to Hebrew and I type, everything is RTL automatically |
| 09:10.42 | rindolf | annma: I can try running Konversation. |
| 09:11.08 | annma | so now if you have a specific whatever setting with whatever remote I don't see why you would have this RTL bug |
| 09:11.26 | rindolf | annma: well, it may be a local thing. |
| 09:11.41 | annma | you wasted my time |
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| 09:17.12 | rindolf | annma: well, I don't know what's causing it here, but it's very strange. |
| 09:17.32 | rindolf | annma: it still persists here with the local apps. |
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| 09:23.59 | rindolf-konv | Hi all. |
| 09:24.03 | rindolf-konv | ש××× ×××××. |
| 09:24.15 | pinotree | sees RTL text |
| 09:24.46 | rindolf-konv | OK, the text in the input box is aligned to the left, but it's aligned to the right in the conversation window. |
| 09:25.13 | rindolf-konv | I'm using konversation here. |
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| 10:25.51 | kfr | When applications try to launch the default browser to view some URL, my KDE opens gvim and displays the HTML source code of the website in question. What is this probably caused by? I already checked the default application behaviour, web browser section |
| 10:26.10 | kfr | It says it determines the program to launch based on the MIME type |
| 10:26.27 | kfr | Maybe I just need to change the default association for HTML files then? :p |
| 10:26.46 | kfr | I tried setting it to the manual command "firefox"... which somewhat works |
| 10:27.11 | kfr | Unluckily this adds a waiting task bar entry every time I try to click some link in XChat |
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| 10:29.50 | kfr | firefox %u m |
| 10:30.16 | kfr | It still shows a waiting symbol with the cursor showing a bouncing Firefox icon for a few seconds and a new entry in the task bar |
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| 10:47.21 | spm_Draget | I updated KDE 4.6.2 to 4.6.3 and everything seemd to work. I do not think it is relatd to this, but I do not know what else I changed... but |
| 10:47.43 | spm_Draget | KDE maximizes all my window. All of them, including fily copying windows or my quicklaunch window that opens with alt+f2 |
| 10:48.10 | spm_Draget | When I have one maximized window open, opening the quicklaunch causes KWIN to tile the windows left and right. |
| 10:48.26 | spm_Draget | Even file open dialogs are all maximised. Any idea what is broken here? |
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| 10:53.44 | kde_pepo | netbook mode? |
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| 10:59.08 | onkelSuSE | if i copy something to my usb-stick i don't see any progressbar on kde 4.6.2 (4.6.2) "release 3", so i don`t see if it is finished |
| 11:00.02 | annma | onkelSuSE: you copy from what? |
| 11:00.12 | annma | what app I mean |
| 11:00.15 | onkelSuSE | from harddisk notebook |
| 11:00.21 | annma | no, what app |
| 11:00.29 | onkelSuSE | dolphin! sorry |
| 11:01.05 | annma | you should have a notification with a progress bar above system tray |
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| 11:01.27 | annma | then you can also browse the notifications and see the copy state |
| 11:01.53 | onkelSuSE | no there is no copy state! |
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| 11:03.02 | onkelSuSE | if i click on "I" there is no entry |
| 11:03.36 | annma | so it was immediate maybe |
| 11:03.48 | annma | was it a big file? |
| 11:03.57 | onkelSuSE | yes 100 MB |
| 11:05.11 | annma | I always see notifications myself |
| 11:05.27 | onkelSuSE | ok i think i have to update my packages |
| 11:06.04 | onkelSuSE | thank you! i will try it again, after updating |
| 11:06.29 | annma | yes I just tried with a folder |
| 11:06.46 | annma | the notification icon displays a 1 with a moving thing |
| 11:06.55 | annma | so I know there's a job in progress |
| 11:07.20 | annma | if I click it says "destination" and source and displays the progress bar |
| 11:07.29 | annma | I can pause or stop it |
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| 11:20.24 | Losowski | Hi, I recently made a post to the kde.org forums regarding an issue with KDE 4.6.3: If using an OpenGL based screensaver, and disabling the 'lock screen' option, when you end the screensaver either by a mouse click or key press, the system "logs out" each time and you must log back in. It also causes data loss if you had an unsaved file previously open. Anyone else here experiencing this? So far, no further replies on the forum post. |
| 11:20.56 | Losowski | My username on the kde.org forum post is: "ejmarkow" |
| 11:21.14 | Losowski | Also, I filed a bug report yesterday for this |
| 11:21.24 | cb400f | "logs out" .. sounds like "crashes X" |
| 11:21.36 | Losowski | cb400f: Yes, it does |
| 11:21.45 | cb400f | you prolly should look at your gfx driver and xorg version |
| 11:21.45 | Losowski | well, not really, totally |
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| 11:21.58 | Losowski | because you are able to enter your user password and log back in |
| 11:22.03 | cb400f | and refrain from using those screensavers :-) |
| 11:22.04 | Losowski | it doesn't entirely crash the system |
| 11:22.16 | Losowski | cb400f: Well, why refrain *if* they should work? ;) |
| 11:22.38 | cb400f | if it sends you to KDM that means X crashed |
| 11:22.40 | Losowski | cb400f: It *did* work in KDE 4.6.2 |
| 11:23.03 | cb400f | sure.. and you didn't change anything in your system besides upgrading kde |
| 11:23.06 | Losowski | so, the programmers did something between those two versions |
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| 11:23.33 | Losowski | cb400f: I'm surprised nobody replied to the kde.org forums post yet |
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| 11:23.43 | Losowski | I actually answered a post by someone else |
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| 11:24.00 | cb400f | maybe you didn't state your distro, xorg version and gfx card/driver there either :-) |
| 11:24.09 | cb400f | making it impossible to help |
| 11:24.09 | Losowski | cb400f: I'll do that today |
| 11:24.24 | Losowski | My distro is on the userprofile as Arch |
| 11:24.27 | Losowski | so that's given |
| 11:24.38 | Losowski | the latter two items must be provided by me |
| 11:24.44 | cb400f | that also means your xorg, kernel etc. are constantly moving targets |
| 11:24.54 | cb400f | making it even less likely kde is the only thing you upgraded |
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| 11:25.09 | Losowski | cb400f: I use the latest kernel always |
| 11:25.19 | Losowski | Linux Galicja 2.6.39-rc7-git4-ARCHMOD #1 PREEMPT Fri May 13 11:27:11 CEST 2011 x86_64 Genuine Intel(R) CPU 575 @ 2.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
| 11:25.28 | Losowski | I compile my own |
| 11:25.36 | Losowski | ;) |
| 11:25.41 | cb400f | well.. self-compiled, unreleased kernel doesn't help |
| 11:25.59 | Losowski | cb400f: I tested this buh with the last 'stable' kernel as well...same result |
| 11:26.02 | Losowski | *bug |
| 11:26.12 | cb400f | in fact it only makes all the less likely your problem is actually a kde regression |
| 11:26.23 | Losowski | cb400f: See my previous comment |
| 11:26.35 | Losowski | the latest stable kernel gives the sam result |
| 11:26.39 | Losowski | same result |
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| 11:27.00 | Losowski | So, it's likely it is a KDE regression |
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| 11:31.35 | dnivra | how can i connect to a DSL connection in KDE? i'm running KDE 4.6.2 on Kubuntu 11.10 |
| 11:32.03 | dnivra | i was asked to install gnome network manager in #kubuntu but there must be a way in KDE besides using pppeconf, which doesn't work. |
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| 11:32.54 | cb400f | if plasmoid-networkmanagement is not working for you, just try the gnomer applet |
| 11:33.34 | cb400f | it won't kill you.. with oxygen-gtk is not even that ugly >:-) |
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| 11:34.32 | dnivra | cb400f: how do I make plasmoid work? i added the connection to the DSL tab in network connections but no list is shown like in ubuntu(gnome)-it simply connects to Auto eth0 |
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| 11:35.22 | dnivra | cb400f: i've completely new to kde and so have no idea how things work-was a GNOME user for nearly 3 years now. i couldn't find enough docs to guide me on what to do. |
| 11:35.32 | tatzenblogde | hey! does anybody know how to sync an SyncML-Server with Kontact? |
| 11:35.58 | dnivra | cb400f: and i do not have gnome-applet as an option since I need to be connected to internet in order to do that :D. |
| 11:36.13 | dnivra | something like a cyclic dependency :) |
| 11:37.36 | apus | hi, is there a way to update user groups without a relogin? |
| 11:38.22 | tatzenblogde | i read "religion" first -,- |
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| 11:39.45 | tatzenblogde | wheres the problem, apus? update the groups via the GUI doesnt require a restart |
| 11:39.49 | tatzenblogde | i think |
| 11:39.56 | tatzenblogde | i do it always in this way |
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| 11:40.46 | Losowski | cb400f: I just posted my system info (kernel, graphics, xorg, driver) on the kde.org forum, will do the same for the bug report as well now |
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| 11:44.08 | apus | tatzenblogde: well i never used a gui to change groups ^^ so how does this gui update the group list for kde after its finished? |
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| 11:51.27 | Losowski | just updated his KDE Bug report #273107 - KDE Logs Out when Ending an OpenGL Based Screensaver (KDE 4.6.3): https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=273107 |
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| 13:53.51 | C_H | Hi, do you guys know any office package more compatible with KDE? |
| 13:54.06 | C_H | Libre/Open Office sucks big time :( |
| 13:54.19 | C_H | They take like about 5-10 seconds to load |
| 13:55.24 | boudiccas | C_H, they can be made to load quicker by tweaking them |
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| 13:56.07 | C_H | bouticcas: how? |
| 13:56.18 | C_H | Isn't there any KDE native office package? |
| 13:57.03 | C_H | I just use it for basic doing basic tasks btw |
| 13:57.16 | boudiccas | C_H, http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/index.html the posting for march 2nd |
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| 14:02.07 | C_H | hmm, seems to have speed up a bit. |
| 14:02.28 | C_H | But, I just heard about Calligra Words and I thought of giving it a try |
| 14:02.40 | C_H | Thanks for the help btw boudiccas |
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| 14:05.19 | boudiccas | C_H, no problem and you're welcome |
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| 14:05.53 | Neuhmaan | Hi ! |
| 14:05.58 | Neuhmaan | I have a small problem with KDE |
| 14:06.03 | Neuhmaan | Wait, i post a screenshot |
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| 14:06.32 | Neuhmaan | http://zupimages.net/up/0/2110256755.jpeg :o |
| 14:06.39 | Neuhmaan | Is not very .... Well ^^' |
| 14:07.08 | Neuhmaan | Look, the "plasmoid zone" and "tab zone" :o Is too big at the top >< |
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| 14:09.08 | dutow | hello. I'm upgraded kde to 4.6, and now it can't place the taskbar correctly when using multiple monitors (my secondary screen is greater than my primary, and the taskbar is placed below my first screen). is there a way to fix this? |
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| 14:13.40 | EugenMayer | Hello. Iam currently trying to get url-handlers working in kde 3.5 |
| 14:16.23 | EugenMayer | kde 4.0 is pretty easxy ( as 4.5 ) with xdg mime, but 3.5 seems to be sepcial. I already create a sevice (/usr/share/services/myproto.protocol |
| 14:16.35 | EugenMayer | its working with xdg-open now, but using firefox - its not working |
| 14:16.47 | EugenMayer | could that be firefox related? |
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| 14:24.39 | pinotree | EugenMayer: .protocol files are kde-specific |
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| 14:24.53 | dutow | also full screen applications are all-monitor fullscreen streching on both screens |
| 14:24.54 | EugenMayer | pinotree: well, xdg is working with it |
| 14:25.01 | pinotree | nope |
| 14:25.15 | EugenMayer | pinotree: you cant register a x-scheme-handler with e.g. 1.0.2 xdg |
| 14:25.33 | pinotree | x-scheme-handler is not the same as .protocol files |
| 14:25.38 | EugenMayer | pinotree: yes it is, iam sitting in front of it :) |
| 14:25.52 | pinotree | the xdg-* utils detect the desktop environment and call the utilities of the DE for the various operations |
| 14:26.04 | pinotree | no, it isn't |
| 14:26.10 | EugenMayer | pinotree: its the same issue as with gnome-2. xdg is using gnome-2 gconf url-handler definitions, not xdg-mime x-scheme-handler |
| 14:26.20 | EugenMayer | try it. here its a centos, kde 3.5 |
| 14:26.24 | EugenMayer | xdg 1.02 |
| 14:26.34 | pinotree | xdg what? |
| 14:26.40 | EugenMayer | xdg-utils |
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| 14:27.31 | pinotree | let me clarify a bit the situation which you seem to not have understood correctly: |
| 14:27.45 | EugenMayer | pinotree: iam working on this issue fr 3 days now :) xdg-mime --make-install-rule or xdg-mime default myapp.desktop x-scheme-handler/myapp |
| 14:28.04 | pinotree | - .protocol files *are* kde-specific, nothing else uses them out of the kde libraries |
| 14:28.24 | EugenMayer | wont work under kde 3.5 - at least with the versions under centos 3.5. Its working perfectly find for kde 4.5 and kde 4.0, working perfectly for gnome 3, not working for gnome 2 ( ubuntu 10.10 version ) |
| 14:28.33 | EugenMayer | pinotree: iam ready to bet :) |
| 14:28.36 | pinotree | - x-scheme-* are pseudo-mimetypes which were introduced quite recently (few months ago) in the xdg mailing list |
| 14:29.00 | EugenMayer | pinotree: they have been there earlier, but were deprecated in favour of application/ |
| 14:29.13 | EugenMayer | AFAIK, but thats were iam not 100% sure |
| 14:29.19 | pinotree | they = ? |
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| 14:29.32 | EugenMayer | pinotree: they ~ x-scheme-hanlder |
| 14:29.37 | pinotree | no! |
| 14:29.56 | EugenMayer | Ok, pinotree lets do it your way, iam pretty open for anything. |
| 14:30.11 | pinotree | also, read above what i said about the xdg-* commands |
| 14:30.22 | EugenMayer | Iam deleting the myapp.protokoll file now. then starting xdg-open myapp://foo |
| 14:30.39 | pinotree | the xdg-utils delegates all the job to the kde, gnome, xfce, etc utilities, which do the real job |
| 14:31.05 | EugenMayer | pinotree: well yes and no, 1.1 xdg-utils dont do that |
| 14:31.16 | pinotree | they always did |
| 14:31.26 | EugenMayer | they actually save the difintions in the xdg api, thats why you dont use url-handlers in gconf anymore in gnome3 |
| 14:31.31 | pinotree | open the xdg commands in an editor, they are simple bash scripts |
| 14:31.34 | EugenMayer | you have to use xdg-mime |
| 14:31.54 | pinotree | (most of them) |
| 14:32.57 | EugenMayer | pinotree: so ok. Removed the myapp.protocol |
| 14:33.13 | pinotree | and goodbye kde3 support |
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| 14:33.26 | EugenMayer | re-exextued xdg-open right way ( it still worked ) , 5 seconds later it stops. ( so its the mimecache, which got updated ) |
| 14:33.45 | EugenMayer | so for xdg-open, kde services are _needed_ |
| 14:34.08 | EugenMayer | no matter what the defintions say, its simply that way :) |
| 14:34.23 | EugenMayer | iam here in a clean centos 5.5, from vmware marketplace |
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| 14:34.49 | EugenMayer | kde 3.5.4-25 |
| 14:34.55 | EugenMayer | (kded |
| 14:35.27 | pinotree | xdg-open only cares about using kde-open and kfmclient, depending on the kde version |
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| 14:35.49 | EugenMayer | pinotree: interestingly, there is no kde-open here |
| 14:35.57 | EugenMayer | is it a optional contrib? |
| 14:36.08 | pinotree | see the "depending on the kde version" |
| 14:36.18 | pinotree | kde-open has been introduced in kde4 |
| 14:36.20 | EugenMayer | ah Ã= |
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| 14:37.59 | EugenMayer | interestingly, creating a /usr/share/applications/myapp.desktop with the x-scheme-handler entry and runnin update-desktop-database |
| 14:38.13 | EugenMayer | it gets added to the mimeinfo.cache |
| 14:38.18 | EugenMayer | but not working |
| 14:38.32 | pinotree | kde3 does not use the xdg mimetypes |
| 14:38.44 | EugenMayer | ok, so back and forth |
| 14:38.56 | EugenMayer | what is the desired way in kde3 to introduce a url-handler |
| 14:39.01 | pinotree | .protocol files |
| 14:39.08 | EugenMayer | working in FF and hopefuly other browsers? |
| 14:39.26 | pinotree | .protocol files, but it's kde-specific |
| 14:39.29 | EugenMayer | ok. But why is FF telling me "cant find any applications to open this protocol" |
| 14:39.46 | EugenMayer | after a create that protocol file (xdg-open is working when that happens) |
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| 14:39.49 | pinotree | dunno what firefox wants, better ask in a firefox channel |
| 14:40.17 | EugenMayer | pinotree: what would be the best bet to check if its working in KDE, konqueror? |
| 14:40.53 | pinotree | write yourprotocol://etc in the address bar? |
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| 14:41.15 | EugenMayer | wasnt my question.. thats what i did with FF. |
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| 14:41.33 | pinotree | <EugenMayer> pinotree: what would be the best bet to check if its working in KDE, konqueror? |
| 14:41.45 | pinotree | that's your question, and <pinotree> write yourprotocol://etc in the address bar? is the reply |
| 14:41.55 | EugenMayer | my question was about the app "which should work", as you told me "FF could be a FF issue" |
| 14:42.11 | pinotree | i didn't say that |
| 14:42.44 | pinotree | you asked for a way which would work also in firefox, and i told you that i don't know what firefix wants (and to ask in a firefox channel) |
| 14:43.02 | EugenMayer | added the protocol, checked xdg-open .. working, opened konq... typed myapp://arg ... "cant open protocol" |
| 14:43.06 | Verge | Sadly they're dead |
| 14:43.16 | EugenMayer | Verge: whos dead? :) |
| 14:43.20 | Verge | #firefox |
| 14:43.28 | EugenMayer | the channel or the browser? |
| 14:43.37 | pinotree | what if you execute (as user) kbuildsycoca and try again? |
| 14:43.48 | EugenMayer | is trying |
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| 14:45.50 | EugenMayer | pinotree: now its working with the konquerero |
| 14:46.00 | EugenMayer | pinotree: firefox still refuses though |
| 14:46.16 | pinotree | why don't you read what i say? :) |
| 14:46.21 | EugenMayer | could be ofc that the 3.6 browser is handling it a different way |
| 14:46.31 | EugenMayer | pinotree: i do. |
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| 14:47.41 | EugenMayer | pinotree: so if knoq works, and xdg-open, it can be expected that the kde-integration of the url-protocol worked |
| 14:47.48 | pinotree | yes |
| 14:48.01 | EugenMayer | pinotree: anything else can be "app" related, like FF being outdated and not using the right API or whatever |
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| 14:48.18 | EugenMayer | i see, thank you! |
| 14:48.31 | EugenMayer | it is pure PITA |
| 14:48.40 | pinotree | you also have to consider that there has been no common way until very recently (few months ago) |
| 14:48.56 | EugenMayer | to have an url-handler working under g2, g3, kde4, kde3 for root-installation and user-sandbox-installations |
| 14:49.01 | pinotree | common = uri handlers understood by kde, gnome, etc |
| 14:49.53 | EugenMayer | you cant believe how huge my installation script is and how buggy the current xdg 1.1 implementation is, or even 1.0 depending they do with the "user leve", root-leve installations and the commands like xdg-mime --makefile-install-rule.. |
| 14:50.06 | EugenMayer | pinotree: got that, yes |
| 14:50.25 | EugenMayer | not to speak about gconftool-2 or what ever there is.. |
| 14:50.55 | EugenMayer | just in case, is there a user-level in kde of those services? |
| 14:51.13 | pinotree | what do you mean? |
| 14:51.25 | EugenMayer | i mean, the system wide installation is /usr/share/services .. ist there something like ~/.kde/services ? |
| 14:51.28 | EugenMayer | overriding it? |
| 14:51.59 | EugenMayer | pinotree: to bring it down to the point, is it possible to install a url-handler wihtout root for only one specific users ( the current logged in ofc ) |
| 14:52.01 | pinotree | of course, replace the installation prefix (which in your case is /usr) with the user's KDEHOME (default is ~/.kde) |
| 14:52.10 | EugenMayer | perfect. Thanks! |
| 14:52.16 | EugenMayer | pinotree++ |
| 14:52.34 | pinotree | see kde-config (and kde4-config), the various --types and the --path for each type |
| 14:52.43 | EugenMayer | maybe in the future, KDE and me are meeting again |
| 14:52.44 | pinotree | try kde-config --path services |
| 14:52.59 | EugenMayer | when KDE finally stops postponing the most-important feature - PIM integration :/ |
| 14:53.40 | EugenMayer | and stop crashing to often.. i left KDE with the 4.0 release to gnome, still sitting there right now. I mean my "ubuntu" is a "KDEfrankstein" anyway. Iam using a lot of KDE tools, e.g. also kdevelop |
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| 14:54.09 | pinotree | you can find more about that in the sysadmin section on techbase.kde.org |
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| 14:54.48 | EugenMayer | great, the command obove is just perfect. |
| 14:55.19 | pinotree | order reflects the order kde uses for finding stuff, just like what happens with eg $PATH |
| 14:55.40 | pinotree | so whatever is in eg the user's ~/.kde will override system prefixes |
| 14:55.47 | EugenMayer | pinotree: is there an API way to install / deinstall those services? i just cp / rm |
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| 14:55.59 | pinotree | locally for user? |
| 14:56.06 | EugenMayer | yeah AND / OR system |
| 14:56.21 | pinotree | just cp |
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| 14:57.06 | EugenMayer | ok. You helped me a lot. Thank you very muchl. |
| 14:57.15 | EugenMayer | s/hl/h |
| 14:58.19 | pinotree | np |
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| 15:01.14 | EugenMayer | i guess kbuildsycoca can be run by a normal user also? |
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| 15:04.14 | pinotree | must be run for the user you want to update its kde services cache |
| 15:04.28 | EugenMayer | thats what i expected. Thats wonderful. |
| 15:04.30 | pinotree | you normally don't need it, it is run automatically each login |
| 15:04.41 | EugenMayer | yeah but my user does not reloggin after this |
| 15:04.46 | EugenMayer | he expect to "it works now" :) |
| 15:05.02 | pinotree | and even inside a kde session of an user, the kde services detects changes to the installation prefix and refresh the cache |
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| 15:05.29 | EugenMayer | i will test run this later and remove the call if it is not needed |
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| 15:06.45 | EugenMayer | pinotree: $service_home=`echo $KDEDIR`/services |
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| 15:06.56 | EugenMayer | is that the "API" way to get the "system" service path? |
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| 15:07.14 | pinotree | no, see the kde-config command i told you above |
| 15:07.17 | EugenMayer | because as root the kde-config --path services would also return the /root/.kde one |
| 15:07.36 | Rajit | Hey does anyone know how to extract the default plasma theme from opensuse?? |
| 15:07.41 | Rajit | 11.4 |
| 15:07.48 | pinotree | kde-config --prefix also lists the kde prefixes |
| 15:09.24 | EugenMayer | pinotree: hmm but it returns /root/.kde/share/services:/usr/share/serices |
| 15:09.44 | pinotree | kde-config --prefix? |
| 15:09.53 | Verge | Rajit: You can export it in the workspace appearance setting |
| 15:09.54 | Verge | s |
| 15:09.57 | EugenMayer | so actually, it would not help me determining the "system path", so rather kde-config --prefx + /share/services |
| 15:10.15 | Rajit | Verge: oh ok .. thanks :) |
| 15:10.44 | EugenMayer | pinotree: http://pastebin.com/bwvsTTV2 |
| 15:10.48 | EugenMayer | thats what i use right now |
| 15:11.26 | pinotree | ugly |
| 15:11.44 | EugenMayer | open for adjustments :) |
| 15:12.16 | pinotree | if it's user, pick the element with the $HOME in the colon-separated list of paths |
| 15:12.30 | pinotree | if it's root, discard that and pick the first path of the resulting ones |
| 15:12.43 | EugenMayer | the first would be /root/.kde |
| 15:12.47 | pinotree | s/if it's root/if it's for system/ |
| 15:12.51 | EugenMayer | thats not what i would want to? |
| 15:13.42 | pinotree | rephrase: |
| 15:14.01 | pinotree | - you have kde-config etc, which returns a colon-separated list of paths |
| 15:14.18 | EugenMayer | yeah i AWK that and take the 1st one for the users. checked |
| 15:14.28 | EugenMayer | but for the system one, i rather would have to take the last, dont i? |
| 15:14.29 | pinotree | let me finish.... |
| 15:14.35 | EugenMayer | shuts up |
| 15:14.50 | pinotree | - if you want to install as the current user, whichever user it is, pick only the path that contains $HOME |
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| 15:15.19 | pinotree | - if you want to install for the system, discard the path containing $HOME, and pick the first path of the resulting list |
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| 15:16.26 | EugenMayer | ok. thanks |
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| 16:03.56 | bbeck_ | I removed my "File" bar in Kopete. (I was trying to get rid of the icon bar) I was wondering if anyone knows how to get it back. |
| 16:04.36 | bbeck_ | Maybe it's called the menu bar. |
| 16:05.20 | cb400f | ctrl+m |
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| 16:06.45 | bbeck_ | Ok, I cheated, I found the option in the kopeterc file. |
| 16:07.44 | cb400f | I think ctrl+m is faster ;-) |
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| 16:15.58 | EugenMayer | pinotree: .. thats so ugly |
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| 16:16.25 | EugenMayer | pinotree: firefox 3.6 + kde can only use protocol handlers when you register them using gconftool-2 the "gnome way" |
| 16:16.46 | EugenMayer | a good question is though, why gconftool-2 and all those stuff is even installed in a kde env? |
| 16:17.34 | cb400f | talk to your distro about that |
| 16:17.58 | cb400f | even if it's a silly thing to complain about |
| 16:18.41 | cb400f | http://gitorious.org/firefox-kde-opensuse |
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| 16:19.00 | EugenMayer | cb400f: iam not sure this is a distro issue. Relax :) |
| 16:19.25 | cb400f | the distro is not responsible for what is installed? |
| 16:19.30 | EugenMayer | it seems like FF simply dont implement the "KDE" native way, the current one maybe also the 3.5 one implementes the "xdg-mime" way, which kde 3.6 does not implement thought |
| 16:19.40 | EugenMayer | that would explain why the xdg-way works under KDE 4.5 + FF |
| 16:20.07 | EugenMayer | cb400f: that gconftools is installed is something centos is responsible for, but that does not even matter here |
| 16:20.26 | EugenMayer | i dont think removing "gconftool-2" will make FF working with kde services |
| 16:20.35 | EugenMayer | (KDE 3.6 + FF 3.6) |
| 16:20.47 | EugenMayer | i even tried the about:config way, would not help |
| 16:21.01 | EugenMayer | i think its just f*up by the FF devs, not KDE. |
| 16:21.05 | EugenMayer | Konq works fine |
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| 18:07.45 | Tataarujin | Hello! |
| 18:07.51 | boudiccas | hi |
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| 18:08.13 | Tataarujin | Does anybody know why plasma use vectors for themes? |
| 18:08.35 | Tataarujin | And how it's better than raster? |
| 18:09.11 | Tataarujin | And is there any EASY way to create plasma theme which won't look like crap? |
| 18:10.32 | Tataarujin | hey... |
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| 18:12.48 | Tataarujin | HELLO!!! |
| 18:13.01 | Verge | Check Wikipedia for SVG |
| 18:13.47 | Verge | SVG beats bitmap crap |
| 18:14.15 | boudiccas | Tataarujin; what are you shouting about? why not give people time to answer your question? |
| 18:14.20 | Tataarujin | I know |
| 18:14.39 | Tataarujin | but creating plasma themes is a pain in the arse |
| 18:14.50 | Verge | Not really |
| 18:14.51 | boudiccas | Tataarujin; then dont do it then |
| 18:14.54 | Tataarujin | Am I right? |
| 18:15.04 | Tataarujin | Damn, I want to! |
| 18:15.12 | Tataarujin | But it's painful! |
| 18:15.20 | Tataarujin | Do something! |
| 18:15.30 | Verge | Creating SVG pictures is harder partially because it's a bit different and partially because the utilities suck |
| 18:15.41 | Verge | Tataarujin: We can't do it for you |
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| 18:16.14 | Tataarujin | Can Plasma use different theme engine? |
| 18:16.19 | pinotree | nope |
| 18:16.24 | Tataarujin | Or can it be rewritten> |
| 18:16.26 | Tataarujin | ? |
| 18:17.04 | pinotree | hardly |
| 18:17.14 | Tataarujin | Crap |
| 18:17.28 | Tataarujin | Why all in KDE is so complex? |
| 18:17.46 | Tataarujin | It's a big overload. |
| 18:17.52 | pinotree | pontlessy generalization won't help you |
| 18:18.30 | Tataarujin | I just hope KDE 5 won't make the mistakes of KDE 4 |
| 18:18.51 | Tataarujin | Wikk be lighter and faster and theming will be easy |
| 18:18.52 | annma | ..... |
| 18:18.55 | annma | sure |
| 18:18.59 | pinotree | i just hope you can know what you are talking about |
| 18:19.05 | annma | it'll be what people who make it decide Tataarujin |
| 18:19.05 | Sho_ | Tataarujin: What's the problem with the SVG themes? |
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| 18:19.17 | pinotree | because apparently you're just venting without any reason |
| 18:19.19 | annma | Tataarujin: if you want to get involved, join |
| 18:19.28 | Tataarujin | @Sho_: 1)Creating of them is pain in the arse |
| 18:19.33 | annma | really? |
| 18:19.36 | Verge | In what way? |
| 18:19.40 | Tataarujin | 2)They use more resources |
| 18:19.43 | annma | you don't know svg Tataarujin? |
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| 18:19.48 | Sho_ | Tataarujin: How do they use more resources? |
| 18:20.07 | Tataarujin | Vector rasterisation use more resources |
| 18:20.12 | Verge | no |
| 18:20.14 | annma | than? |
| 18:20.15 | pinotree | no |
| 18:20.21 | Sho_ | Tataarujin: KDE maintains a cache of rasterized SVG theme elements |
| 18:20.23 | Verge | They are rendered into bitmaps and cached |
| 18:20.25 | Tataarujin | Than just scaling of raster via margins |
| 18:20.33 | Tataarujin | And yeah |
| 18:20.34 | Sho_ | So the runtime overhead doesn't exist |
| 18:20.43 | Sho_ | As for authoring, scalable pixmap-based themes are a bitch |
| 18:20.46 | Tataarujin | How to disable that stupid cache |
| 18:20.49 | Sho_ | Our artists are happy it's using SVG |
| 18:21.17 | Verge | Tataarujin: "SVG eats resources! Oh they are cached? The cache is stupid!" |
| 18:21.26 | Verge | ... |
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| 18:22.03 | Tataarujin | At least make themes via CSS |
| 18:22.11 | Tataarujin | Like in gnome 3 |
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| 18:22.28 | Verge | SVG would be more flexible in general |
| 18:22.35 | Verge | Though the Plasma engine seems to limit them greatly |
| 18:23.01 | annma | so gnome 3 is the Ultimate Way of doing things |
| 18:23.08 | Tataarujin | So instead of just one stylized rounded rectangle in raster |
| 18:23.11 | Verge | Actually seems to me Plasma with SVG cannot do anything more than with CSS |
| 18:23.15 | Tataarujin | *drawing |
| 18:23.36 | annma | maybe you can go to the #kde-artist channel |
| 18:23.49 | Tataarujin | I should create 9 separate SVG's and then give each a name? |
| 18:23.54 | annma | hmmm sorry does nto exist |
| 18:23.54 | Sho_ | no |
| 18:23.55 | Tataarujin | NO WAY |
| 18:24.09 | Sho_ | the plasmoid frame is a single svg with nine elements |
| 18:24.12 | annma | Sho_: is there a kde artist channel? |
| 18:24.20 | pinotree | Tataarujin: is anyone forcing you to create a plasma theme? |
| 18:24.21 | Sho_ | and if it were pixmap-based, you'd need to create a nine-patch just the same |
| 18:24.26 | Sho_ | except the scaling of the middle part would suck |
| 18:24.29 | Tataarujin | Me myself |
| 18:24.35 | Sho_ | annma: please let's not send him to other channels to troll |
| 18:24.37 | pinotree | then stop complaining |
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| 18:24.46 | Tataarujin | Because I'm not satisfieed with existing ones |
| 18:25.03 | Tataarujin | Dammit I'm not troll u |
| 18:25.04 | pinotree | either you want to something so learn to do that something, or drop that idea |
| 18:25.06 | annma | Iusually trolls stop in front of relevant people |
| 18:25.17 | Tataarujin | I'm talking what's wrong with plasma |
| 18:25.36 | annma | then mail the plasma-devel mailing list |
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| 18:25.47 | pinotree | no, you're just saying what YOU don't like, which is totally different |
| 18:25.51 | Tataarujin | >and if it were pixmap-based, you'd need to create a nine-patch just the same |
| 18:25.55 | Tataarujin | wrong |
| 18:26.12 | annma | so mail the list and tell them in details what to change Tataarujin |
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| 18:26.17 | annma | here is not the place |
| 18:26.31 | Tataarujin | I'll create 12x12 png and that'll be a rounded square |
| 18:26.44 | annma | so mail the list if you are so strong about it |
| 18:26.50 | Tataarujin | like 3 px radius of corners |
| 18:26.59 | annma | a mail is more involving, isn't it? |
| 18:27.16 | Tataarujin | Is there more simple way to post my wish? |
| 18:27.17 | Sho_ | Tataarujin: And you'd still need to be careful that it's 12x12 and that the corners are even so it can be programmatically cut into a nine-patch, or you'd need to supply metadata on the side to give the engine the relevant zones |
| 18:27.26 | annma | more simple than a mail? |
| 18:27.28 | Tataarujin | I'm not familiar with mailing lists |
| 18:27.36 | annma | so what are you familiar with |
| 18:27.36 | Tataarujin | I'm designer |
| 18:27.42 | Tataarujin | e-mail |
| 18:27.45 | Tataarujin | twitter |
| 18:27.51 | annma | mailing list is email |
| 18:27.55 | Tataarujin | feedback form |
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| 18:28.20 | Tataarujin | Where to mail? |
| 18:28.49 | annma | plasma-devel@kde.org and add to CC you the answers if you do not subscribe |
| 18:28.57 | Tataarujin | CC? |
| 18:29.01 | annma | be detailed and precise please |
| 18:29.07 | annma | CC, as in email CC |
| 18:29.11 | annma | Carbon Copy |
| 18:29.17 | Tataarujin | WHAT |
| 18:29.20 | annma | !!!! |
| 18:29.26 | Verge | You're not familiar with email after all |
| 18:29.28 | Verge | ? |
| 18:29.32 | annma | seems not |
| 18:29.34 | Tataarujin | No I am |
| 18:29.43 | Tataarujin | What is carbon copy |
| 18:29.53 | annma | CC look into your mail client |
| 18:30.03 | annma | you can send a mail and CC it as well |
| 18:30.10 | Tataarujin | My mail client is web-based gmail |
| 18:30.20 | annma | if you do not subscribe to a mailing list, the answers need to be copied to you |
| 18:30.21 | Tataarujin | And what the hell is cc |
| 18:30.29 | Sho_ | This isn't an email help channel |
| 18:30.31 | annma | that's all your familiarity with email? |
| 18:30.42 | Sho_ | Please take this private or somewhere else more appropriate |
| 18:31.11 | Tataarujin | Do designer need to know ALL aspects of e-mail?! |
| 18:31.13 | annma | anyway mail this list |
| 18:31.36 | Sho_ | annma: sigh |
| 18:31.37 | Tataarujin | I'm just e-mail user |
| 18:31.38 | annma | I'll take care of the copy thing when I get the mail |
| 18:31.45 | Tataarujin | not a god damn geek |
| 18:31.59 | Tataarujin | sorry for rude |
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| 18:32.02 | annma | write the mail and be done with it |
| 18:32.08 | Tataarujin | OK |
| 18:32.10 | Tataarujin | bye |
| 18:32.13 | Verge | Google explains what one fails to understand |
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| 18:32.31 | Sho_ | annma: Why are you trying so hard to send this guy somewhere? You know he'll just write a badly-articulated, unfriendly email full of hyperbole and lacking in arguments based on the available evidence. It'll just waste people's time, including his own. |
| 18:32.37 | annma | we'll never get any mail anyway |
| 18:32.45 | annma | why not |
| 18:33.29 | annma | it's better to redirect him to a mailing list than having him hours here |
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| 18:34.42 | Verge | So familiar |
| 18:34.48 | annma | in fact the artist m-l would do with a bit of traffic... |
| 18:34.51 | annma | ;) |
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| 18:35.07 | Verge | I once helped a guy over at Gnome's channel and afterwards he spent 90 minutes in my pmsg trying to convince me Crysis 2 rox |
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| 18:37.12 | annma | actually some guys who seemed a pain started to contribute |
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| 18:40.06 | Peace- | plasma expert ? , i would like get for each activity a different panel |
| 18:40.12 | Peace- | is it possible? |
| 18:40.57 | annma | maybe ask in #plasma |
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| 18:41.20 | Peace- | annma: ty |
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| 19:39.43 | Verge | Anybody know's a fix to QtCurve theme leaving a one pixel tall unpainted line between titlebar and toolbars when XBar is enabled? |
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| 19:50.33 | thiago | what desktop settings? |
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| 19:51.36 | hasanhabibi | thiago: plasma desktop shell |
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| 19:53.10 | thiago | hasanhabibi: kcmshell4 --list |
| 19:53.38 | hasanhabibi | thiago: aha ok thx |
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| 20:19.55 | ozzzy | systemsettings |
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| 20:36.55 | MaximLevitsky | could you help me with compiz and kde4 coexistance? |
| 20:37.08 | MaximLevitsky | it used to work very well in KDE 4.5 |
| 20:37.17 | MaximLevitsky | now it has several issue |
| 20:37.35 | MaximLevitsky | first, it shows ghost window near plasma panel |
| 20:37.42 | MaximLevitsky | with decorations |
| 20:37.59 | MaximLevitsky | then every window has black resize handle which doesn't work |
| 20:42.37 | MaximLevitsky | http://picpaste.com/pics/2d2c7b1b1226feb2fbf0b41bb4aa8748.1305319345.png |
| 20:46.40 | hussam | doesn't kwin work better than compiz anyway? last time I tried compiz vey long years ago, it was slow and never integrated with kde or gnome or xfce very well. |
| 20:47.40 | mgraesslin | the supported compositor for KDE is the Plasma Compositor aka KWin |
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| 20:49.40 | mgraesslin | MaximLevitsky: this "ghost" window is the panel shadow |
| 20:50.21 | MaximLevitsky | mgraesslin: and how to remove it? |
| 20:50.38 | mgraesslin | I don't think that can be removed |
| 20:52.39 | MaximLevitsky | mgraesslin: and since Gnome3 sucks and that what I get in KDE, I am switching to Windows. Bye! |
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| 20:53.21 | mgraesslin | we won't miss you |
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| 21:09.28 | hussam | I understand his frustration. But kwin is really better than compiz. compiz was designed for xgl. another this as long as kde has a taskbar or task manager where I can easily minimize windows and switch between them, I'm never going back to windows. |
| 21:10.15 | MaximLevitsky | kwin is dead slow here. thats all |
| 21:10.27 | MaximLevitsky | and besides, why to break compiz, why? |
| 21:10.29 | hussam | oh, right click on the titlebar |
| 21:10.46 | hussam | click on configure window behavior |
| 21:10.59 | MaximLevitsky | I can't stand Gnome3 and Unity. |
| 21:11.06 | MaximLevitsky | Gnome2 will soon disappear |
| 21:11.07 | hussam | then click on 'desktop effects' |
| 21:11.24 | hussam | then 'advanced' tab |
| 21:11.28 | MaximLevitsky | hussam: and what? |
| 21:11.37 | hussam | use compositing type 'xrender' |
| 21:11.41 | hussam | instead of opengl |
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| 21:11.48 | MaximLevitsky | hussam: yea, yea |
| 21:11.48 | hussam | xrender is fast |
| 21:12.01 | MaximLevitsky | I want normal good composing manager |
| 21:12.15 | MaximLevitsky | and I don't buy that xrender stuff |
| 21:12.47 | MaximLevitsky | unless KDE goes the Gnome way, it really should at least not break compiz this far |
| 21:12.55 | hussam | I used gnome since 2006 till two months ago when I switched to kde because of gnome 3.0 |
| 21:13.08 | MaximLevitsky | why to have these invisible windows? |
| 21:13.49 | hussam | all I'm saying is I sympathize with your situation :) |
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| 21:14.24 | hussam | I did however upgrade my graphics card a few days ago and now kwin is a lot faster |
| 21:15.07 | MaximLevitsky | now I don't want non-mainstream desktops like xfce |
| 21:15.15 | MaximLevitsky | so its really back to windows |
| 21:15.43 | hussam | what graphics card do you run? |
| 21:15.56 | MaximLevitsky | hussam: I use nvidia card and nouveau |
| 21:16.04 | MaximLevitsky | but nvidia blob crashes kwin |
| 21:16.23 | hussam | :/ but that explains it. nouveau is so slow |
| 21:16.26 | MaximLevitsky | and nouveau is quite fast |
| 21:16.33 | hussam | really? |
| 21:16.36 | MaximLevitsky | ~60 FPS in nexuiz |
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| 21:16.47 | MaximLevitsky | vs 120 of the blob |
| 21:16.55 | MaximLevitsky | about 50% of speed |
| 21:17.06 | MaximLevitsky | but in compiz it is actually a bit faster |
| 21:17.14 | hussam | I get 8k FPS in glxgears from proprietary driver and 0.5k under nouveau |
| 21:17.15 | MaximLevitsky | around 400 FPS vs 350 |
| 21:18.40 | PasNox | hello, i wuld like to use kget to download some files on internet. the location need loggued account, does kget handle that ? |
| 21:19.31 | thiago | yes |
| 21:19.37 | Zbuben | PasNox: used with konqueror, kget uses cookies of your opened sessions |
| 21:19.47 | MaximLevitsky | and on the other hand I found this for windows: http://www.sharpenviro.com/wp/ |
| 21:19.58 | thiago | PasNox: hint: keep konqueror open |
| 21:20.11 | MaximLevitsky | I use it in a wm, and I'll is a bit better that gnome2 and plasma |
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| 21:21.48 | PasNox | Zbuben: ah let try! thanks ;) |
| 21:21.51 | MaximLevitsky | and about compiz, I think something like that was developed for windows too |
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| 21:22.29 | thiago | it was called "windows vista" |
| 21:22.37 | Zbuben | aero :) |
| 21:22.59 | MaximLevitsky | Zbuben: yes, but I mean cube effect etc.. |
| 21:23.58 | Verge | Probably many |
| 21:24.06 | Verge | At least one was commercial |
| 21:24.11 | MaximLevitsky | So with all my love to linux, I feel like I am getting enough of it |
| 21:24.24 | MaximLevitsky | Not the bugs, I like fixing them |
| 21:24.31 | MaximLevitsky | I have 3 kernel drivers |
| 21:24.52 | MaximLevitsky | But the way many linux developers treat its users |
| 21:25.01 | MaximLevitsky | KDE is sure way better in that regard |
| 21:25.17 | MaximLevitsky | But I still mad any time it breaks compiz |
| 21:25.31 | Verge | Compiz isn't for KDE |
| 21:25.37 | MaximLevitsky | So what |
| 21:26.14 | Verge | Yes, most of the time we get mad at things beyond our understanding |
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| 21:44.16 | hussam | MaximLevitsky, my advice is if you're willing to get a high end nvidia graphics card, get one. I upgraded from 7300GT which could barely handle kwin under xrender to 430GT where kwin is fast using opengl backend. |
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| 21:59.57 | coz_ | hey guys,, well gnome3 is not even close to something I want to use,, so i may be switching to kde,, however,,, last year I brought this issue up,, and the solutions didnt work,, still,, when settings new wallpaper on dual monitors,, it only shows on primary monitor with the default on the secondary monitor... |
| 22:01.16 | coz_ | I also am not the only one with the ghosted plasma add widges bar remaining after closing it |
| 22:01.22 | coz_ | widgets |
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| 22:03.07 | MaximLevitsky | coz_: actually its a different window |
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| 22:03.39 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, which,, the secondary monitor or the ghosted window ? |
| 22:03.42 | MaximLevitsky | as we can drag it, you then open add wigdets window and it shows up normally |
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| 22:03.49 | MaximLevitsky | ghosted windows |
| 22:03.58 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, oh yeah I tried that here also ... |
| 22:04.21 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, very odd |
| 22:04.44 | MaximLevitsky | you can even drag the add-widgets window to reveal that ghost window |
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| 22:05.16 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, there has to be a way to get rid of this thing |
| 22:05.32 | MaximLevitsky | I can do the alt+f4 on it |
| 22:05.44 | coz_ | ahh |
| 22:05.50 | MaximLevitsky | but I don't want to do that every time I log in KDE |
| 22:06.13 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, darn,, so it shows up again on each log in ? |
| 22:06.19 | MaximLevitsky | sure |
| 22:06.25 | coz_ | oh this is going to be fun |
| 22:06.32 | MaximLevitsky | and this time it showed right below the panel |
| 22:06.50 | MaximLevitsky | its window title that is |
| 22:08.01 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, considering alternatives,, aka gnome3 , , Unity,,, I can put up with this until its fixed,, I cant deal with this inability to use a single wallpaper on dual monitors though |
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| 22:08.46 | coz_ | let me go to #kubuntu to see if anyone found a solution |
| 22:08.52 | MaximLevitsky | coz_: you could split walpaper image into two images |
| 22:09.05 | MaximLevitsky | gross hack, but must work |
| 22:09.34 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, they said that before but then the split is what shows up on the primary with the same darn wallpaper on secondary,, |
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| 22:10.05 | MaximLevitsky | you make 2 different images with some image editor |
| 22:10.15 | MaximLevitsky | and set on both screens |
| 22:10.18 | hussam | does the ghost window remain if you 'lock widgets'? |
| 22:10.32 | MaximLevitsky | yep |
| 22:10.36 | hussam | ouch |
| 22:11.18 | MaximLevitsky | it disappers though when I use show desktop button.... |
| 22:12.06 | hussam | maybe related to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=576589 ? although the reporter there says compiz works. |
| 22:12.42 | MaximLevitsky | don't think so |
| 22:12.51 | MaximLevitsky | I have here a separate window |
| 22:12.54 | coz_ | no that's not the same issue |
| 22:13.04 | MaximLevitsky | it can be moved, closed, etc... |
| 22:13.05 | hussam | ok |
| 22:13.09 | MaximLevitsky | it is even decorated |
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| 22:13.20 | coz_ | :) transparenlty |
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| 22:15.22 | MaximLevitsky | coz_: also kde compatability plugin is broken |
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| 22:15.45 | MaximLevitsky | the plasma widget slides makes plasma widget apper |
| 22:15.54 | MaximLevitsky | (eg the networkmanager) |
| 22:16.03 | MaximLevitsky | but then it doesn't disapper |
| 22:16.18 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, ok I will have to play with kde + compiz to get an idea where the major issues are |
| 22:16.20 | MaximLevitsky | in KDE 4.5 everything did work just fine |
| 22:16.37 | coz_ | except for dual monitor support + wallpapers :) |
| 22:16.57 | MaximLevitsky | also kde4 decorator makes compiz segfault if compiz regexp plugin is enabled |
| 22:17.09 | MaximLevitsky | it segfaults with it |
| 22:17.24 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, I have regex enabled but not kdecompat |
| 22:17.43 | MaximLevitsky | coz_: but you use gtk-window-decorator |
| 22:17.56 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, ah yes you're right ,, sorryy |
| 22:18.00 | MaximLevitsky | and it doesn't work at all here |
| 22:18.08 | coz_ | I have to fix this keystroke thing on kde as well |
| 22:18.28 | MaximLevitsky | coz_: I will compile the compiz now, use the ubuntu's one still |
| 22:18.37 | MaximLevitsky | still use the ubuntu's one |
| 22:18.39 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, I am running compiled compiz here |
| 22:19.03 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, works very well ,, but will test the kdecompat later at some point |
| 22:19.08 | MaximLevitsky | might explain some things |
| 22:19.48 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, I think I have decided to switch to kde with gnome-caca coming up ::) but I cant deal with this disgraceful wallpaper rendering on dual monitors |
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| 22:20.39 | MaximLevitsky | me too. |
| 22:20.52 | MaximLevitsky | BTW, in gnome dual monitor is broken as well |
| 22:21.07 | MaximLevitsky | at least when you connect it just *sometimes* |
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| 22:21.27 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, yes but I can edit images to the proper resolution and it works well,, not on kde ,, yet and its been over a year with t his issue |
| 22:21.54 | MaximLevitsky | because gnome-panel panels that you create on 2nd monitor move to 1st when you disconnect the monitor |
| 22:22.03 | MaximLevitsky | thats is very helpfull |
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| 22:24.39 | MaximLevitsky | what I don't like in KDE is its settings window |
| 22:24.39 | MaximLevitsky | not the settings, bring some more! |
| 22:24.51 | MaximLevitsky | but the fact that settings are lumped together in groups |
| 22:25.07 | MaximLevitsky | but these groups makes it even hard to find settings |
| 22:26.01 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, it does take a while with the settings... but you know ccsm is just as complex if not more so :) |
| 22:26.06 | MaximLevitsky | like kwin settings are scattered between application appearence, worksplace apparence, desktop effects, window behavier. |
| 22:26.26 | MaximLevitsky | what I like in ccsm is that it just shows all settings in one big list |
| 22:26.43 | MaximLevitsky | it doesnt't matter how long it is |
| 22:26.47 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, oh I see what you mean |
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| 22:27.04 | pinotree | right click on the title bar of any window â window configuration, and you have all and only the kwin configurations |
| 22:27.16 | pinotree | (when using kwin as wm, of course) |
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| 22:27.49 | MaximLevitsky | also there are settings that don't belong to 'system settings' |
| 22:28.00 | darius | hello |
| 22:28.13 | MaximLevitsky | like 'Digital camera' I bet that it only sets up a kde app for camera access |
| 22:28.35 | MaximLevitsky | or SSL Versions |
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| 22:29.19 | pinotree | digital camera should be the configuration of the kamera kioslave, which as such is accessable in any kde application |
| 22:29.24 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, oo I forgot about camera support |
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| 22:32.00 | MaximLevitsky | coz_: btw, kdes NM applet doesn't support sysytem-settings. I heard it is fixed now but didn't make into 11.04 |
| 22:32.43 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, ok ,, seems like you and i are going to be having many converstaions in the near future :) |
| 22:32.47 | darius | anyone using the binary clock plasma widget? the second counter seems to be off |
| 22:34.05 | MaximLevitsky | coz_: I glad to :-) |
| 22:34.58 | MaximLevitsky | coz_: one thing that is at least true for me that when I switch something as big as desktop, it always takes me few tries to do that |
| 22:35.08 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, cool... this is going to be about a week of getting used to ,, i just noticed I can right click the secondary monitor to add a wallpaper there,, but I will see what I can do to split an image at proper resoluton and use that |
| 22:35.27 | MaximLevitsky | I used KDE3 when I switched to linux |
| 22:35.52 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, yeah << i have been going back and forth with kde,, there are still issues I need to revisit and see what can be done,, |
| 22:36.03 | MaximLevitsky | then it took me I think 3 attempts before I switched to Gnome (because of KDE4) |
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| 22:36.43 | MaximLevitsky | I also found helpfull to try and minimize the delta initially |
| 22:36.48 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, but considering the alternatives,, gnome 3 (caca) :) this may be my future DE,, I love fluxbox but cant run compiz on it and I refuse to use kde's desktop effects |
| 22:37.12 | MaximLevitsky | for example I set up gnome2 panel layout and human icons |
| 22:37.24 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, ah ok I see what you are saying |
| 22:37.51 | MaximLevitsky | then later, I probably switch them back |
| 22:38.14 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, have you experimentd with gnom3 ? |
| 22:38.21 | coz_ | gnome3 |
| 22:38.26 | MaximLevitsky | no, but I used unity |
| 22:38.32 | MaximLevitsky | no thanks |
| 22:38.37 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, ah that is another caca thingy |
| 22:38.49 | MaximLevitsky | in fact for the perspective of a windows user gnome devs are really mad |
| 22:38.50 | darius | i'm somewhat new to KDE too, havent used KDE since red had 9 (the old 9). unity on ubuntu makes me switch :) |
| 22:39.04 | coz_ | darius, :) |
| 22:39.06 | MaximLevitsky | the dela between windows and ubuntu grows every day |
| 22:39.10 | MaximLevitsky | delta |
| 22:39.13 | coz_ | darius, cant fault you for that |
| 22:39.24 | MaximLevitsky | when I switched to linux |
| 22:39.35 | MaximLevitsky | my linux looked exctly like windows |
| 22:39.36 | coz_ | darius, I think us avid long term gnome users are going to end up on this channel within the year |
| 22:39.46 | MaximLevitsky | I used KDE and I set it up to look like windows |
| 22:40.14 | coz_ | darius, I hated redhat kde ,, for some reason it turned me off,, but ran like a champ :) |
| 22:40.18 | MaximLevitsky | I even run everything as root :-( |
| 22:40.36 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, not compiz I hope |
| 22:40.53 | MaximLevitsky | compiz didn't exist then |
| 22:40.57 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, ah ok |
| 22:40.59 | coz_ | phew |
| 22:41.02 | coz_ | :) |
| 22:41.15 | MaximLevitsky | I had run whole kde session as root |
| 22:41.33 | MaximLevitsky | just to be able to store files everywhere as I used to |
| 22:41.41 | MaximLevitsky | I came from windows 98 |
| 22:41.41 | coz_ | MaximLevitsky, is kde set up to log in as root by default? |
| 22:41.52 | MaximLevitsky | of couse not |
| 22:41.56 | coz_ | :) |
| 22:42.00 | MaximLevitsky | I set it up as suck |
| 22:42.03 | MaximLevitsky | such |
| 22:42.05 | MaximLevitsky | :-) |
| 22:42.18 | coz_ | :) understood |
| 22:42.32 | MaximLevitsky | later after a while, I adapted more and more things |
| 22:42.41 | MaximLevitsky | sure I don't run anything as root now |
| 22:44.24 | MaximLevitsky | the delta is very important thing, when a users uses his computer, a lot of things happen unconsciously. When everything changes, its hard to adopt right away |
| 22:45.29 | MaximLevitsky | and BTW thats why ubuntu changes |
| 22:45.41 | MaximLevitsky | it becames more and more Mac like |
| 22:45.55 | MaximLevitsky | because I think many ubuntu developers use it |
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| 22:46.32 | MaximLevitsky | And its a nightmare to use 2 different interfaces |
| 22:47.29 | MaximLevitsky | The unconscious part of the brain is confused in that case |
| 22:48.05 | MaximLevitsky | things like font size, colors, widget styles, mouse acceleration, panel positions, etc |
| 22:49.06 | MaximLevitsky | so they make ubuntu look mac-like |
| 22:50.21 | hussam | how do I add a 'show desktop' button to my kde panel? |
| 22:50.46 | hussam | or taskbar. I'm still new to the namings |
| 22:51.12 | MaximLevitsky | hussam: there is such kde widget |
| 22:51.39 | MaximLevitsky | you press on small button at the edge of a panel |
| 22:51.49 | MaximLevitsky | and select add widgets |
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| 22:52.18 | MaximLevitsky | or right click on a panel, -> panel options -> add widgets |
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| 22:52.38 | hussam | ok, no show desktop widget there. |
| 22:52.49 | MaximLevitsky | look carefully, it is there |
| 22:53.59 | coz_ | ok be back later |
| 22:54.06 | hussam | nope, it's not. I've checked |
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| 22:54.49 | hussam | ok, it's an addon I have to install. |
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