IRC log for #kde on 20110507

00:00.18skorStarting to wonder if this could be an issue with bad memory ?
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00:49.12orzelhello. I've been using ksnapshot for a long time without problem. But today (kde 4.6.2), ksnapshot creates files that i can't use in gimp.Using the command 'file', i have : PNG image data, 768 x 572, 8-bit colormap, non-interlaced
00:49.40orzelof course my screen is in 24/32bits... so i dont understand why ksnapshot creates those weird 8bit colormap file... any idea ?
00:51.35szalwhere's the problem w/ GIMP there?
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00:54.22szaltest case -> ../../Documents/20110507_fullscreen.png: PNG image data, 1280 x 1024, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced <- opens no prob in GIMP
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01:01.19orzelszal:  for example, you can't use the tool to blur parts of the screen
01:02.00orzelszal: (for privacy reason). You need to change the colorspace, which is not as trivial as just blurring, and most importantly, the user doesn't know why it doesn't work
01:03.12orzel<- typical user, has spent hours finding out
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01:20.29mirage335Is there any way to automatically add entries to kmenu?
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01:32.09orzelmirage335: like using .desktop files? That's what most packages do
01:33.18mirage335Yeah, but the xdg spec indicates editing xml files is required.
01:33.43mirage335That's hardly trivial to automate, it would seem there must be a more obvious way.
01:35.56orzelediting ? i dont think so. Just add one (or more) .desktop file in either the system path or the local user one
01:36.23mirage335orzel: That completely failed for me :|
01:37.02mirage335I do need to add submenus/directories in addition to  regular apps too.
01:37.35mirage335(I've been using the quickaccess widget instead of a menu... looking to see if it's worth migraing back)
01:37.50mirage335*migrating
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03:01.12nuttzo31Im still having a problem with dolphin on kubuntu 11.04 with dragging files to a freshly inserted usb.You get a malformed url error because you have to manually click on the usb drive first before you can drag files to it.It should do this automatically like nautilus.Have filed a bug report at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271749.
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05:45.20axanonso this nvidia and kwin problem.. can someone please tell me what is going on?
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05:48.18VergeI don't have any problems really
05:48.24VergeYou are misinformed
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05:51.15gentxjust compiled kde. In the kick-off launcher there is nothing displayed under applications. how do I add menus with applications here?
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06:01.38ybithey guys, quick question, my laptop keeps sleeping after i close my lid, i don't need it to do this, how can i and others prevent this?
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06:22.24Vergeybit: Change the reaction for closing lid in power management settings
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07:52.50PinchiukasIf I use a theme that doesn't have all the possible elements, I will get those elements from the default theme?
07:53.06PinchiukasHow many "complete" themes are there?
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07:54.14cb400fare there any? :-)
07:54.19Pinchiukas:(
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07:54.30PinchiukasI dislike the mac-like shiny crap.
07:54.37cb400falways tweaks windeco, plasma theme, color scheme, widget style etc. independently
07:54.57PinchiukasI liked the KDE 2 look.
07:55.07BountyXlol
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07:55.40cb400fPinchiukas: http://mschlander.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/is-kde-42-too-shiny/  :-)
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08:09.41Pinchiukascb400f: some of those shiny-looking icons are left.
08:09.51Pinchiukas...a lot of them.
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08:12.25Pinchiukas"Rounded corners on everything!" ... my god...
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08:14.13Pinchiukashttp://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/large/kde2final_2.jpg minus the color scheme = awesome.
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08:21.12szal*omfg*
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08:24.33PinchiukasIs it at least possible to remove the damn round corners?
08:24.55pinotreewhich roun corners?
08:24.58pinotree*round
08:25.03PinchiukasAll of them.
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08:26.00pinotreehelpful
08:26.02PinchiukasI can't understand why everyone in the world would want this shiny crap. Some people have to want a sharp flat interface...
08:26.16Pinchiukaspinotree: the window edges would be a start.
08:27.33pinotreei myself use plastik, which has veeeery tiny round corners, barely noticeable
08:27.34PinchiukasAnd all of that shadow nonsense...
08:28.05pinotreebut in general, find a window decoration that has no round corners or can be confgured to not have them
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08:28.23BountyXdude you can practically make Kde 4 look however you want
08:28.28BountyXI dont understand the complaints
08:28.36PinchiukasIf I put a year of work into it.
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08:29.12BountyXThere is *some* truth to that, but it is exaggerated. My fully customized everything took a week of work
08:29.36BountyXAlso its worth it to achieve full desktop zen.
08:30.03BountyXIf you really wanted you can use Qt decorations and write your own decoration very quickly in QSS
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08:30.11BountyXits just like CSS
08:30.43szalPinchiukas: the shadows are perhaps the easiest part, you can basically disable them with at most 2 mouse clicks (counting only those in the right places)
08:30.47PinchiukasI just can't believe nobody has thought to make KDE 4 look like KDE 2 or just make it least visually intensive.
08:31.31pinotreePinchiukas: and i believe you didn't spend even one minute to figure out that there is a kde2 window decoration available
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08:31.47Pinchiukaspinotree: where?
08:31.47szaldoesn't particularly like that "trick film" look
08:32.22pinotreein system settings → workspace look → window decoration
08:32.29Pinchiukas"Trick film look"?
08:32.37PinchiukasI'm not currently using KDE. :)
08:32.47PinchiukasWhich distro generally has the latest KDE versions?
08:32.56szalPinchiukas: well, see that KDE2 screenshot you dug out
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08:33.17szalPinchiukas: pretty much all of them, except for Debian perhaps
08:33.31PinchiukasAfaik Gentoo lags behind somewhat.
08:33.38szaleven if not by default, but easy to set up if you know where to look
08:33.46PinchiukasAnd I'm not really interested in using development packages. I want to do work on it.
08:34.28Pinchiukasszal: what does "trick film look" mean?
08:35.39szalopenSUSE has a repo for "upstream-stable" KDE, Fedora ships current KDE as soon as they think it bug-free enough, for *buntu there should be pkg sources for more current KDE than what is shipped by default..
08:35.53szal[10:32:55] <szal> Pinchiukas: well, see that KDE2 screenshot you dug out
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08:36.22simion314latest kubuntu ships with kde4.6.2
08:36.29PinchiukasHow about Debian?
08:36.41szaltesting/unstable
08:36.42cb400f4.4.5 :-)
08:36.48cb400fin debian stable
08:37.23BountyXdid they ever release 4.6.3 btw?
08:37.29BountyXIm not seeing it my test repo
08:37.34szalArch always has the latest stuff declared stable by upstream
08:37.52szalBountyX: 4.6.3 isn't out yet, see topic here ;)
08:38.06BountyXszal: ah ok thnx
08:38.08PinchiukasWhat is the package name in KDE?
08:38.15szalfor what?
08:38.23pinotreeBountyX: being prepared
08:38.27PinchiukasFor KDE.
08:38.39pinotreethat depends on the distro
08:38.40szalKDE is not one pkg
08:38.53PinchiukasWell the base package or whatever.
08:39.09pinotreethat depends on the distro
08:39.22szalFedora keeps the old packaging scheme w/ 20-something packages, openSUSE changed the scheme w/ 4.3 to better split into individual apps
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08:39.45simion314in ubuntu distros is called kubuntu-desktop (it has kde and kde apps)
08:40.07szalsimion314: well, that would then be a meta pkg
08:40.26szalin openSUSE there's package groups that can be installed, same for Fedora
08:40.38simion314szal: yes it installs like all an usual user needs
08:41.18simion314KDE is split in lots of packages on debian based distros,they like sp;iting stuff
08:41.20ABCDin Gentoo, we have, at last count, 296 packages that are all part of the upstream "KDE SC"
08:41.24szalI personally find the openSUSE pkg groups most flexible in this respect
08:41.33PinchiukasSo what's the base package name in Debian?
08:41.45PinchiukasThe versions I can find are somewhat weird... 5?
08:43.07pinotreePinchiukas: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/
08:43.12simion314but is there a distro that has some development packages,like for example i want to add a patch to a KDE component, now it is hard to build latest KDE(time consuming and possibly complex for a newbie), a live image  with weekly builds would be nice
08:44.16ABCDsimion314: Gentoo has you build everything from source anyway, and has ebuilds (packages in any other distro) for the live git master/svn HEAD
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08:44.33PinchiukasSo Debian currently only has 4.4?
08:44.49szalsimion314: openSUSE has all the latest and greatest unstable stuff in the build service, weekly snapshot build of KDE 4.7 development branch
08:44.53ABCDDisclamer: I am a member of the KDE team for Gentoo Linux :)
08:45.13PinchiukasGentoo blocks development versions anyway.
08:45.16simion314ABCD: then i could search for a Gentoo virtual image(for virtualbox)
08:45.26pinotreenotes distro adveritizing is out of topic here
08:45.44simion314szal: that sounds super
08:45.51PinchiukasDebian currently only has 4.4?
08:45.59pinotreePinchiukas: read the page?
08:46.17PinchiukasIt appears so which is kind of outdated.
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08:46.24ABCDpinotree: I'm only making comments about it because there was a question :)
08:46.29simion314i always wanted to try contribute more to KDE, i done something in kde-edu project,but i wanted to fix some stuff that anoyed me
08:46.41szalpinotree: since when?  to my knowledge excessive distro wars and distro-specific help are, but in this case we're looking at differences among distros, so how are we gonna do that w/o naming them? ;)
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08:48.04szalif we were talking about _one_ distro, that'd be a different thing, but here we're talking about at least four distros
08:48.47pinotreemost of the discussions like that in here ended with people blaming each other and each other distros, so i'm just being paranoid
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08:50.43ABCDif you do decide to use Gentoo, you can ask us in #gentoo-kde for further help (so we don't spam this channel too much :D)
08:51.12pinotreeright, we do point people to their distro channel when they need distro help
08:51.59simion314ABCD: ok, i will try openSuse first, I want to use a VM ,so building from source in VM  could be slow
08:52.12ABCDokay
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08:53.33simion314pinotree: i was curios about a distro that could have latest development version of KDE4.7 , i was thinking to hack on the system tray plasmoid, it crashes on my system if i try to change the options, and it brings down plasma too
08:53.33szalsimion314: as for openSUSE -> #suse (general help), #opensuse-kde (KDE help), #opensuse-buildservice (about the OBS), #opensuse-testing (unstable stuff)
08:54.03simion314ok
08:54.04ABCD(and I would suggest waiting about a week or two before installing a new instance of Gentoo anyway -- we are about to hit a major transition in stable (on all arches), having to do with finally updating our initscripts to something a bit better :D (not systemd, though -- this transition has been in the works for *years*)
08:54.06ABCD)
08:54.10szalsimion314: see also http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:IRC_list
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09:33.52lelamalhi all, yesterday I got a new computer (which has an integraded soundcard, while the previous had a creative), today I reinstalled the  latest backup, updated it, and now I have no sound. anybody willing to help, please?
09:34.18lelamalalso, I cannot find the "Master" channel in Kmix, not even by searching it in Configure Channels
09:35.26szalpoints lelamal to the channel topic, identifies a distro-related question and points lelamal to his distro's support channel
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09:36.37lelamalszal: did that, none answered. how can I discriminate between distro related and KDE question, in this case, anyway?
09:36.46thiago_homeby asking
09:37.01thiago_homeit's ok to get it wrong. We'll help you find the right channel.
09:37.14lelamalI see
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09:43.07szallelamal: simplified, all things that have to do w/ hardware interaction or KDE packages are distro questions, the former because accessing and manipulating hardware is most likely a function of other system components KDE interacts with, the latter because KDE doesn't ship packages but only the source code
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09:44.22Tujudoes anyone know how to use kleopatra?
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09:46.13gentxjust compiled kde. In the kick-off launcher there is nothing displayed under applications. how do I add menus with applications here?
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09:49.55lelamalszal: thanks for explaining, it is clearer now.
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09:53.30gentxI always have one window in kde that seems to minimize all other windows when it is selected. How can I have all windows behave normally?
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09:54.08thiago_homewhat window is that?
09:55.16gentxsometimes its amarok. sometimes its firefox.
09:55.55gentxwhen i right click on each keep above others/below others is unchecked on all windows.
09:56.24szalpinotree: when can we expect 4.6.3 to hit the mirrors? *impatientlyWigglingOnChair* ;)
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09:57.53pinotreepoints szal to the topic of #debian-kde on oftc, which will be updated when there are updates
09:58.30szalisn't on OFTC
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10:19.57inthlafter a simple package-update I can not start KDE any more without errors. Autostart applications do start, kwin seems to work, but nothing plasma-related, like plasma-desktop. it starts with a few error messages and displays white background with no taskbar or plasmoids or something
10:19.57inthlhttp://pastebin.ca/2054819 these are the error messages after starting plasma-desktop
10:19.57inthlany ideas what's wrong? I need to do some work and can't do this under these circumstances
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10:35.42simion314infinull: do you installed a plasmoid or something tthat is not in your repos?
10:37.46simion314anyway what is the proper way to show a dialog box? modal window? in AIR?
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10:39.22simion314sorry for previos question,wrong chanel :-)
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11:20.42TheAncientGoatHey guys, anyone ever tried doing an internet cafe like setup with plasma activities?
11:20.58TheAncientGoatIs there a way to lock certain users into a certain activity?
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11:39.00gentxHow can I have a seperate bottom bar for each workspace? (right now it displays all applications that are open even if they are not on the current workspace)
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11:40.01thiago_homegentx: configure the taskbar to show only the apps from the current workspace
11:41.41gentxthiago_home: where do i configure this? i'm new to kde
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11:44.13thiago_homeright-click the empty space next to the application buttons
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11:48.24toaddHi. I would like to display my desktop on a plasma television with KDE 4 but i don't know how to do that... The multiple monitors says i have not the right configuration to do that;
11:48.45toaddi use HDMI connection
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12:02.30thiago_hometoadd: nvidia card?
12:02.59toadd<PROTECTED>
12:03.26toaddthiago, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G96 [GeForce 9600M GT] (rev a1)
12:03.30thiago_homerun nvidia-settings
12:03.35thiago_homeactivate the output
12:04.22toaddthiago, activate the output? what you mean?
12:04.29thiago_homeclick Detect Displays
12:04.32thiago_homedo you see your TV?
12:05.19toaddyeah
12:05.29thiago_homeclick the TV, click Configure, select TwinView
12:05.38thiago_homenow do whatever you want
12:06.31toaddthiago, hum...
12:06.44toaddit s supposed to show the desktop on the tv now?
12:07.05thiago_homeafter you click Apply
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12:09.17toaddthiago, i need to save the cfg and restart xorg
12:09.23thiago_homeno
12:09.26thiago_homejust click Apply
12:09.40toaddthiago, it displays a message where i have to restart
12:09.45thiago_homeyou don't
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12:10.28toaddthiago, it does not work
12:10.48thiago_homeyou selected TwinView, right?
12:11.04toaddthiago, i think i will do what they want :)
12:11.11toaddthanks for your help
12:11.17thiago_homehas been using NVidia for 3 years
12:11.25thiago_home3.5 actually
12:11.29toaddthiago, maybe
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12:14.19toaddthiago, where the xorg.conf file is located?
12:14.26thiago_home/etc/X11
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12:21.34toaddthiago, it works :)
12:21.36toaddalmost...
12:21.55toaddin fact, it seems that i can work on both of the pc and the tv
12:22.20toaddhow can i make all about the tv screen? and not also on pc screen anymore?
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12:24.48thiago_hometoadd: nvidia-settings
12:24.54thiago_hometurn the LVDS off
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12:30.12toaddthiago, LVDS?
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14:29.21|Slacker|hello, can I get some kde help here?
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14:30.29TheAncientGoat|Slacker|: ask and see
14:31.40|Slacker|I set up some widgets on the dashboard, I don't know what I did but my dashboard is blank now and kde says widgets are running
14:31.46|Slacker|I'm pretty new to kde 4.x
14:32.24szal"dashboard"?
14:32.36TheAncientGoatPanel?
14:32.41TheAncientGoatOr desktop
14:32.52TheAncientGoatOr the netbook activity thing?
14:33.04TheAncientGoatMaybe you swapped activities
14:33.12TheAncientGoatwhich version are you using?
14:33.25|Slacker|when I point my mouse pointer into the upper right corner a Widget Dashboard appears
14:33.45|Slacker|set it up to show widgets in a separate window but now widgets disappeared
14:34.09|Slacker|I can add them again no probs, but kde tells me they're already running
14:35.06|Slacker|TheAncientGoat, kde 4.5.5
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14:35.49TheAncientGoat|Slacker|: Strange, sorry but I'
14:35.52TheAncientGoatm on 4.4
14:35.56TheAncientGoatso I can't triage
14:36.01|Slacker|no probs
14:36.30szal4.6.2 here, but no idea about this "dashboard" thingy
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14:39.33visheshHi. I'm using KDE on ArchLinux. Nepomuk is taking around 50% CPU time as I see in System Monitor. Anyway to fix this?
14:39.57thiago_homewait
14:40.58visheshBTW my KDE version 4.6.2
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14:51.34visheshHi. I'm using KDE 4.6.2 on ArchLinux. Nepomuk is taking around 50% CPU time as I see in System Monitor. Anyway to fix this?
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14:53.26thiago_homedidn't I answer?
14:53.29thiago_homewhy are you asking again?
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14:55.56szal[16:39:57] <thiago_home> wait <- other than that, nothing ;)
14:57.18thiago_homethat was the answer
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14:58.51FrogbarfAre there any known "issues" with KDE 4 that is tends to slow down over time?
14:59.13Frogbarfif I stay logged in for several hours it becomes very sluggish
14:59.28Frogbarfclicking on icons and such
15:00.22cb400fhrs? as in less than a day? ... I would guess you're using some funky broken plasmoid
15:00.31cb400funless something else on your system is leaking memory
15:00.38Frogbarfhmm
15:01.16Frogbarfhow can I test what is doing it?
15:01.41Frogbarfthe only plasmoid I have running is Luna and the digital clock
15:01.50szalyou could first look at mem usage
15:02.02Frogbarfis there a tool for that?
15:02.08cb400fctrl+esc
15:02.16Frogbarfdanke
15:02.18cb400fwell.. there are about a million
15:02.39Frogbarfit seems that the plasma desktop is using the most
15:03.45FrogbarfI'll keep an eye on it
15:04.29szalFirefox, mozilla-xulrunner, KWin..  after almost 6 days of uptime
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15:05.07szalplasma-desktop 75 MB, not very much
15:05.16Frogbarfkwin has always been a problem for me
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15:05.24Frogbarfever since 3.5
15:05.51cb400fnext time try if restarting plasma helps... 'kquiapp plasma-desktop' -> alt+f2 -> 'plasma-desktop'
15:06.04cb400fat least then you'll now the reason is one of your plasmoids
15:06.32cb400fand you have more than the ones you mentioned.. prolly systray, taskbar, launcher menu..
15:06.45cb400ftry running 'free' in konsole and see if your system swaps
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15:08.57Frogbarfkinfocenter shows 0% swap used
15:09.09FrogbarfThanks for the tips
15:09.21FrogbarfTotal Free Memory 93%
15:09.46delactrying to add some settings to Dolphin. I have already added the relevant lines to navigationsettingspage.cpp/.h, dolphin_generalsettings.cpp/.h and dolphin_generalsettings.kcfg. The setting appears in the dialogs, but doesn't write itself to the dolphinrc. Any obivious step/file I missed?
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15:29.41simion314any idea why my wallpapers are reseted? i have 5 virtual desktops, each with a different wallpaper, so after reboot some of the wallpapers are reseted to the default
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15:31.49cb400fone explanation is that plasma crashes on logout and thus doesn't save your settings
15:32.07cb400fanother explanation would be activity bugginess
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15:35.05gentxI want to backup everything in Kontact: mail,calendar,todo,feeds everything. are the folders/files in /home/user/.kde/share/apps the place and which folders for all the contact programs do i need?
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15:35.55cb400f/apps/ only has the data.. if you want the configurations too you need .kde/share/config too
15:36.32visheshthiago_home: I'm sorry. I didnt understand you answer.
15:36.47cb400fdepends which pim apps you use.. akregator/.. kmail/.. knode/ .. kabc/ (addressbook) .. korganizer/
15:37.13cb400fas for the configuration files e.g. kmail has stuff in multiple different files.. e.g. identities are in a separate file
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15:45.48simion314how can i remove kmix from system tray? it is safe to Quit iot? i control the volume with keyboard shortcuts
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15:49.30cb400fsimion314: most likely those keys are captured by kmix
15:50.12simion314cb400f: i can't find a option to hide it in system tray plasmoid
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15:50.42cb400fhide it? .. if you just want to hide it, just set it to hide in the systray settings
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16:25.42delactrying to add some settings to Dolphin. I have already added the relevant lines to navigationsettingspage.cpp/.h, dolphin_generalsettings.cpp/.h and dolphin_generalsettings.kcfg. The setting appears in the dialogs, but doesn't write itself to the dolphinrc. Any obivious step/file I missed?
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16:31.20simion314delac: ask in the developers chanel
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16:34.02delacsimion314: for some reason I remembered that this is used as dev channel too... ty.
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16:34.49simion314delac: yes, some devs are here too
16:36.17simion314delac: is not an equivalent for QSettings in kde?
16:38.24delacsimion314: don't really know QSettings. Dolphin seems to use KSettingsSkeleton.
16:41.19pinotreedelac: better ask in #kde-devel for development questions
16:42.48delacpinotree: I'm trying...
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16:43.23JoeSomebodyhi, today this box today is kubuntu 64,  if i add a folder view icon to my panel, and i wanted my data drive which is ntfs, i have NOT switched on show hidden files, yet recycle bin and system volume information show ...
16:43.53JoeSomebodyhow can i hide those two folders for this folder view icon, or can i ?
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16:45.16pinotreethe concepts of hidden files in ntfs and in unix filesystems are different
16:46.21JoeSomebodyi assumed that, as i am more familiar with windows, is there anything i can do?
16:46.40pinotreenot sure
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16:47.29JoeSomebodyok, thanks anyway, i'll go google-ing later when i get done shopping
16:47.47pinotreehave fun shopping
16:48.09JoeSomebodyby then someone may have scrolled back and left me a tip :)
16:48.50JoeSomebodyi never have fun shopping, due to the other shoppers
16:48.53JoeSomebodyhehe
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17:05.20rajeevqtkdeI am Using KDE in OpenSuse 11.4 , I have a problem that i am unable to get the title bar for all the windows , I am not getting the close,minimize,maximize buttons and the bar . when i tried kwin --replace , I got the buttonds, but i have to do it each time i boot into kde , so help me solve this problem.
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17:16.17Asemhello, is there a command to completly disable notifications so i can create a presentation powerprofile and use it onload?
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17:27.02delachow can I make Kate open new window when the command to open Kate is given from workspace that has no previous Kate instance?
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18:05.39omidhi . how can i do something that kopete opens each new im in one window and use tabs (like pidgin) instead of opening a new window for every single instant message ?
18:06.19thiago_homecheck the settings, appearance
18:06.31pinotreesettings → configure → behaviour → chat → chat window grouping policy
18:07.28omidpinotree which of the options i shall select?
18:07.50pinotreethe one your prefer, all of them should be quite self-explaining
18:08.46omidpinotree for my case which i explained which of the options would suit?
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18:10.44omidpinotree thank you i found it
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18:15.19ybitVerge: unfortunately, i didn't see it there
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18:16.01ybithowever. luckily because kde froze on me when i attempted to restart X, it wasn't able to restart into kdm
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18:16.25ybitwhich mean i could just a tty terminal which didn't have these settings :)
18:16.45ybiti just needed some music to play at a certain time so i would wake up
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18:17.12ybiti don't think i'll be able to do this again, it was just luck.
18:17.43ybitspeaking of luck... i'm not lucky in dealing with the tiling features in kwin :\
18:17.51ybiti come from an xmonad history
18:18.28ybithow do you get a window to look like the kate app is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faOQAgapQYQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=208s
18:18.40ybitand then, how do you switch which window is on top like that
18:19.05ybitright now, it kwin's tiling feature seems random
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18:27.17omidis it right that KDE is more preferred by the EU users while GNOME is more popular among US based ?
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18:28.05cb400fat least relatively
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18:39.19omidwhat is the kde equivalent for inkscape?
18:39.36cb400fjust use inkscape
18:40.08cb400fit's not a gnome app anyway.. it's a gtk app
18:40.56cb400fthere's karbon.. but it's foolish not to use the best (free) app
18:40.58omidcb400f putting too much GTK stuff like firefox,gimp, inkscape etc wont make too much space and affect the system process etc?
18:41.05cb400fjust cuz of the development tools used
18:41.41omidsorry i mispelled take
18:42.25cb400fpeople can use windows... you'll never get near the requirements for ram and disk space
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18:45.26omidcb400f also isnt there a KDE equivalent for cheese webcam? i mean any webcam software to take pics?i installed webkam but it cant detect my integrated camera
18:45.38cb400fkamoso
18:45.56cb400fonly exists in the KDE:Unstable:Playground repo for openSUSE though
18:46.11cb400fbut it workz fine
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18:47.47omidcb400f i'd rather preffer not to install GTK app in my KDE desktop.i also cant understand why opensuse replaced Konqueror as the default browser in KDE.it could have replaced it by a webkit browser like what Kubuntu did(requnk)
18:49.08cb400fthat's because opensuse is intended to be productive.. not to satisfy irrational toolkit preferences
18:49.39cb400fand opensuse did a lot to integrate firefox in kde... file dialogs, file associations etc.
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19:04.15simion314GTK apps are not bad, i hate the GTK apps that drag the entire gnome after them,then you find you have evoluton and nautilus installed,also gnome-panel,one time insted of my kde desktop i found nautilus(the gnome desktop) ,i managed to replace all my GTK apps so far(except firefox) just to not drag gnome
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19:08.30delachow can I make Kate open new window when the command to open Kate is given from workspace that has no previous Kate instance?
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19:51.50omidhow can i use Kmail like thunderbird? i mean how can i easily setup AOL and Gmail accounts and download all of my messages.is there any tutorial available?
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20:06.40litbwho is the superstar of KDE?
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20:25.51_aeris_hello guys
20:25.56_aeris_a little question
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20:26.18_aeris_when I try to modify a POP3 password, Kontact warns KWallet is not available
20:26.37_aeris_but at Kontact start, kwallet password is correctly asked
20:26.43_aeris_what is the problem?
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20:49.50eljefeI'm on KDE 4.4.5 on Debian Squeeze; after a fresh login I can click on System Load Viewer plasmoid to bring up the load viewer; I can press [Ctrl][Esc] to bring up the load viewer; I can use [Alt][F2] KLauncher.  However after a few days of uptime, these things all stop working.  Is there anything I can restart to get these back?
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21:32.20RingtailedFoxheya, guys... i'm in my webserver via SSH/FISH, and i'm trying to make a symlink, but it keeps saying i cannot change permissions... why is that?
21:32.45RingtailedFoxi'm in /media/goodies/, and i want to make a link from /media/goodies/folder to /media/movies/folder (this is on my webserver)
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21:47.57RingtailedFoxhow do i fix these "could not write to file" errors?
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22:14.53gryffushello. I am trying to compile a plasmoid, but getting some undefined references... Could anyone help me with that? Compile log is here: http://pastebin.com/2TXN2AZu . Thanks
22:15.13gryffusAm i missing some libraries?
22:15.34gryffusOr the plasmoid source is just outdated?
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22:34.53ablepharusI have an plasmoid which I can't remove
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22:42.04ablepharusI once put it on the top of my desktop, but then I couldn't find the Icon anymore, the message still appear, but I can't remove the plasmoid because I don't see an icon
22:42.16ablepharusany idea how I can still remove it?
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