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00:44.14Gentoochild_*argh* Amarok crashed. I wanted to look in my emails about another crash report I submitted, and kontact crashed switching to kmail ^^
00:44.23Gentoochild_that's what you get for running bleeding edge *hihi*
00:46.29porthimusGentoochild_: you ought to look into Clementine.  it seems to be a bit more stable than amarok
00:46.36porthimusjust saying.
00:47.22Gentoochild_porthimus: I have it installed and it's nice (I still like Amarok 1 for its faster interface and simpler playlist) but the db search in the new amarok is just better
00:47.35Gentoochild_and with 35000 files it is also faster than Amarok 1's sqlite
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00:49.02porthimusafter i found clementine, amarok went out the window for me.  i don't mind learning a higher interface or database.  As long as it does what i want it to do... and it does great with my 149GB of music.
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00:50.39Guest33864Yeah
00:51.07Guest33864Need a very good team
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00:51.43Guest33864Any volunteers???
00:52.44Guest33864Njj
01:00.12Gentoochild_porthimus: well, clementine still lacks podcast support. Before Amarok I didn’t bother with those, but now I don’t wanna miss ’em.
01:00.16Gentoochild_but the kitten are cute
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01:01.01porthimushmm... i've never gotten into podcasts... will have to look into that.
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01:06.32sbdsrdoes anybody know of any good whitepapers or faqs to setup Skype with all things KDE 4.6 and Firefox, Konqueror...
01:07.28sbdsron linuxmint KDE 10
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02:57.29caiofbpahello there
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03:11.13monkeyiqIs there a way to stop a KMessageBox from appearing (assuming it is created in a library & not your own code)
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03:22.43denysoniqueCan I use Oxygen icons on a website?
03:25.43m_gokudenysonique: IIRC it's LGPL, so you may use it. But Nuno ask not to use application icon for website
03:26.28denysoniqueIf it is LGPL then its fine, hmm, I thought it was under some CC
03:28.14m_gokufrom this web http://www.oxygen-icons.org/?page_id=4 it's dual licensed
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04:32.01Tomasuis there a way to tell bluedevil to "accept all" files?
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07:02.54maximbhello !
07:03.31ArchangelSe7enhey
07:03.38maximbhow do i make knoquerer (kde 3.5) to remember closed tabs when i quit and restart it ?
07:04.09thiago_homeno such feature
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07:05.39maximbwow, it's the most basic thing i expect from a browser - I always have many tabs open which I want to read later on
07:06.06maximbit's like the ABC of browsers
07:06.13thiago_homeI don't consider it a basic thing
07:06.21thiago_homeif I have tabs I want to read, I don't close the browser
07:06.27maximbany browser that I know has this
07:06.29thiago_homehaving tabs, that's a basic thing
07:06.37thiago_homenot really. You know one that doesn't.
07:06.47maximbyeah, now I do
07:06.49maximbsadly
07:07.17maximbis it also like this in kde 4+ ?
07:07.41thiago_homeyes
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07:08.31maximbare the devs going to implant this basic fetaure soon ?
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07:09.16phhmaximb: you're lacking ram or what ?
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07:09.53phh(else you could play with session manager to do that)
07:09.58maximbwell, I tend to keep about 50+ tabns open at all times
07:10.00thiago_homemaximb: they don't consider it a basic feature, or they would have implemented already
07:10.18thiago_homeyou can save the tabs open in a profile
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07:10.29thiago_homeso not a save-on-close, but a save-when-you-save
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07:10.48phhthere is save-on-closing-session, should be enough ...
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07:11.03maximbthiago_home: what do u mean ? like when i load that profile all my saved tabs will reopen ?
07:11.10thiago_homeyes
07:11.24maximbwhere is the "save-on"close" ?
07:11.30thomasjBesides that the konqueror feature with sessions is broken.
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07:11.57phhthomasj: ah ?
07:12.21thomasjIf you open a session, it doesn't load the pages (if you're lucky) or it loads the first page in all tabs
07:12.40thiago_homeor it does the right thing
07:12.44thiago_homewhich it has been doing for 2 years for me
07:12.53thomasjlucky you then
07:13.03maximbphh: where is the save-on-closing-session ?
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07:14.19thomasjWell, since i'm digging deeper into C++ and Qt currently, i might write the feature.
07:14.37thomasjIt's the most missing feature in konqueror.
07:15.07thiago_homeif you look at the most voted entry in bugzilla, you'll find people disagree
07:15.15thomasjheh
07:15.35thomasjJust because a couple people disagree doesn't mean it's not the most missing feature ;)
07:16.04thiago_homeno
07:16.11thiago_homethe most voted entry is the most missed feature
07:16.13phhit must noone cares :p
07:16.17phhmeans*
07:16.52maximbphh: where is the save-on-closing-session ?
07:17.02phhmaximb: what do you mean with "where" ?
07:17.10thomasjI know a lot of people and almost everybody uses other browser because of that missing feature.
07:17.11maximbwhere can i find it ?
07:17.14thiago_homehow do you turn it on?
07:17.21maximbyeah
07:17.23phhlaunch konqueror, do whatever you want, close your session, reopen it, and konqueror is opened with your tabs/windows ?
07:17.33thiago_homethomasj: I know a lot of people and I don't know anyone who uses that feature, in any browser.
07:17.45maximbclose seassion = close konquerer ?
07:17.52thiago_homeclose konqueror, yes
07:17.56phhuh ?
07:17.59maximbbut it doesn't work
07:17.59phhI mean close kde
07:18.00thiago_homewe're talking about konqueror profiles, not KDE sessions
07:18.03thomasjthiago_home, we know obviously different people :D
07:18.04maximbit never remembers them
07:18.08maximbthat's why I'm here
07:18.18thiago_homemaximb: save the profile
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07:19.42thiago_homerekonq has the feature you're looking for, though
07:20.25maximbthiago_home: ok thanks , it works - but it's not obiuse to ppl
07:21.03maximband when I open new tabs I need to save over every time
07:21.18maximband if the pc crashes ...
07:21.22maximbgame over
07:21.37thiago_homeif it crashes, then the konqueror session is restored
07:24.53maximbthiago_home: well didn't happen to me yet cuz I use Gnome ;) I use KDE with websites that run slowly on FF3.6 (Intel videocard)
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07:25.28thiago_homekonq has its own session restoration
07:25.40maximbalthough on my home PC all sites run fine on ff3.6 and 4
07:26.29maximbthiago_home:  shame that it doesn't use this on close
07:27.02kde_pepoI often just kill konqueror, just to have the session restore feature on next launch
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07:29.47maximbkde_pepo: sad... :(
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07:35.37thomasjIt doesn't look too hard to implement, but i guess it would be rejcted.
07:36.19thiago_homefour-button dialogs are rare, but they exist
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08:06.29apushi, i'm using xinerama and nvidia settings program to activate the external screen; i set it as twinview; now the control bar goes to the external screen instead of staying with the main screen (laptop); when i put it back manually and switch the monitor off, i have no bar at all
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08:17.14roKKoyou want to set the laptop as a primary monitor?
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09:23.46xenylhi guys
09:24.24xenylI am in a bit of trouble understanding how on earth i can use akonadi for syncing mail/calendars/etc between several computers at once
09:25.05xenyltried searching the forums but nothing comes up that is clear enough to show deployment in a real world scenario
09:25.30xenylif anybody has time to help, i'd much appreciate it :)
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09:27.51thiagothey all sync with an IMAP server
09:28.40xenylhow can i make aggregator sync though?
09:28.48xenylakregator*
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09:29.20xenylI would need to have a complete sync of mail, contacts, feeds, calendar; i know that imap can be of help but is there a solution for feeds ?
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09:36.54JZAaseigo_home: wherent u supposed to live in the united states of kanadia?
09:37.42aseigoJZA: yes, but now i live in switzerland
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09:37.59JZAaseigo: oh cool
09:38.13aseigoJZA: since march.. so rather new
09:38.43JZAwhat's up in switzerland?
09:38.54xenylcern :)
09:39.08JZAok
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09:41.11JZAthough u were at he lowlands in NL
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09:44.23aseigoJZA: i am today; we're at tokamak 5 which is being hosted in Nijmegen
09:44.32aseigoJZA: but i don't live here :) just here for the week
09:44.35aseigoxenyl: lol.. indeed
09:45.06JZAcool
09:45.26aseigoJZA: you're here in NL as well, or?
09:46.51JZAneah, cancun.
09:47.21aseigoniice
09:47.45JZAaseigo: I am just trying to get in touch with this Okular developer over a enhacement issue
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09:48.42aseigoJZA: pino?
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09:50.06JZAaseigo: Albert
09:51.16aseigoah.. astals cid.
09:51.33JZAaseigo: yeah, tsdgeos
09:52.03daithefluhi guys, I trying to find out why my KProgressDialog with min and max set to 0 isn't animated, anything special to do to get it working ?
09:54.12aseigodaitheflu: return to the event loop? :) and probably for #kde-devel rather than #kde (this is more for user q's ..)
09:54.37aseigodaitheflu: but yes, the most common mistake is having a progress dialog and then a for or while loop that never returns to the event loop.. so the dialog never gets a chance to update
09:55.13aseigodaitheflu: make it modal, then break up the process (e.g. small steps in a method that calls itself if ther eis more work to be done with a 0 single shot timer)
09:55.21daithefluaseigo: thanks for your answer :)
09:56.11daithefluaseigo: my dialog is modal, I call a method that download some stuff, and then emits a signal when the download is done
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09:56.59daithefludamn I'm clearly missing/misunderstanding something
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09:58.28xenylsince there is some life in the channel now, anybody have an idea of how to syncronize akregator through akonadi to other computers?
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10:00.16daithefluaseigo: if KIO.storedGet is asynchronous, do I still need to "return to the event loop" ?
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10:04.43aseigodaitheflu: as long as you return from your method, it will return to the event loop
10:04.57aseigoxenyl: akonadi doesn't do syncing itself, but there are syncing solutions being developed
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10:05.43xenylaseigo: if you have time, do you have a syncing solution for akregator in your great brain collecting internet links handy ?
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10:05.53daithefluaseigo: mh okay, I'll give it a try tonight, thanks a lot for your help and time :)
10:05.57xenylcan't find anything for RSS
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12:46.08sri13Hi, I changed my ssh key for my devel account
12:46.26sri13from that instant I am getting error while using git push
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12:47.06jdahmI ran gtk-kde4 and now GTK apps don't have text or buttons.  How do I reset my gtk theme?
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12:47.17anshulhi everybody, i am not able to activate desktop effects in kde
12:47.22anshulhelp1
12:47.41jdahmanshul: um, not use them?
12:47.44jdahmthey suck anyway
12:48.21jdahmahh, fixed it
12:48.39anshulmy desktopp effects list is empty
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12:49.53jdahmanshul: your hardware clearluy doesn't support it then
12:50.28anshulwhere i can find the hardware list which supports kwin
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12:51.01anshulhow can i check wether my hardware supports it or not
12:51.27jdahmanshul: you probably need OpenGL acceleration
12:52.18Guest71958heyho, i'm currently trying to get kwallet running on mac os x. i installed kdebase4-mac with fink and i already have the kwalletmanager and kwalletd running and the kwallet icon also shows up in the menu bar. right-clicking on that icon i can configure kwallet, but i don't seem to be able to browse existing wallets
12:52.52Guest71958can i maybe somehow start this browser manually instead of from the kwallet-systray icon?
12:54.29Guest71958so to reformulate the question: which application can open the ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl file and show me its contents after asking me for the passphrase?
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12:56.24jdahmanshul: I purposely run w/o desktop effects, it's much cleaner and smoother and faster
12:56.59anshulcan i reinstall kwin
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12:58.03jdahmanshul: no idea.  I probably don't use the same distribution of linux that you do
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12:59.24anshuli use fedora14 kde 64 bit
12:59.56jdahmanshul: probably just remove ~/.kde4 and reinstall the .rpm package
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13:05.56icewindno need to resinstall the rpm or delete the whole .kde4 folder
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13:07.23icewinddeleteing ~/.kde4/share/config/kwinrc should suffice
13:07.40jdahmicewind: I turned off all desktop effects and I still have 1 core at about 10% usage, and other cores at about 3-5%.  Anyway to cut this down more?
13:07.49jdahmI don't want any of these weird plasmoids
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13:08.37icewindif you use oxygen as theme, you can try dissabeling oxygen animations
13:08.47icewindnot sure where that config option was though
13:09.10jdahmicewind: I'm using Qtcurve
13:10.26jdahmicewind: ok I think I did it in Style -> Fine Tuning
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13:12.32icewindno idea
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13:22.54ahelhi! there is any shortcut to stop nepomuk-server and virtuoso-t when they became too big and cpu eater?
13:22.54cb400fiirc there should be some systray icon to control the nepomukster
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14:10.08kn3chtis there an easier (kde-)way to get this path when writing an application? QString path = QDir::homePath(); path.append("/.kde4/share/apps/appname/");
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14:11.21kn3chtok thx
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14:21.10thewanderer1is there a Qt-based desktop environment, but lighter than KDE proper? everything seems to be using GTK these days, and my P3 256MB can't handle KDE4 too well
14:21.35thewanderer1or at least a way to make KDE4 more legacy-friendly
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14:25.39buscherhow comes "First steps to run the Plasma Active on my WeTab" is spamming my akregator? (from planet kde)
14:26.25buscherI have it 9 times in my akregator, doesn't happen with other planet posts :o
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14:44.34openstandardshi all
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14:47.53openstandardsdo you think we'll ever see some of the ideas of gnome-shell make their way into kde 4?
14:48.57openstandardsfor example dragging an application so it opens up in a new virtual desktop and the taskbar at the side
14:49.54openstandardstheres some good ideas about it however its very limiting but kde would change that
14:50.10cb400fdoes it do anything kde can't?
14:50.32cb400fmoving the panel to the side takes about 2 secs
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14:51.15openstandardsthat i know however gnome 3 kinda forces the user to use virtual desktops
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14:51.42alkafooopenstandards: ?
14:53.21bonsaikittenopenstandards: you mean like the things KDE4 has had for the last ... 3 years, maybe?
14:53.38bonsaikittenor do you mean the retro 90s look? ;)
14:53.45openstandardsbasically when you drag an application onto the right hand panel it opens up in a new desktop, we could perhaps do something like that so it with different activities
14:53.56openstandardsbonsaikitten: how so?
14:54.18alkafooso it forces you to drag an application onto the right hand panel?
14:54.31bonsaikittenright click, to desktop
14:54.33bonsaikittenwhy drag?
14:54.41bonsaikitten(oh wait, that's a shorter click path!)
14:54.57thewanderer1I hope KDE never goes in the Windows' direction of 1 icon => launching AND managing a running application...
14:55.02openstandardsno i  don't think it does however lets you arrange them etc
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14:55.45openstandardsi only played around with it for a short time however some things are nice about it
14:56.13bonsaikittenthewanderer1: that's kinda funky, it's like replacing all lights with one big red light that randomly blinks
14:56.18bonsaikitten"warning: something is happening"
14:56.41thewanderer1yes, and then you want another instance of the application and get mad :P
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14:58.49James147thewanderer1: it already has partly ^^
14:59.27thewanderer1hmm not on my 4.4.5 :P
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14:59.41James147thewanderer1: you can pin an application to the taskmanager that will launch or focus on it depending on if its open or not ^^ though you can also place applcation directly on the panel to avoid that
14:59.50James147thewanderer1: think its part of 4.6
14:59.53thewanderer1okay
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15:00.18thewanderer1so it IS mimicing windows :P
15:01.23James147thewanderer1: ?? mac has a similar feature are you sure it isnt mimicing them?
15:01.41openstandardsi like how gnustep looked....
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15:23.20openstandardsis kde ever going to get an activity pager?
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15:29.25James147openstandards: like the activity bar?
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15:29.57openstandardsyes James147 but kinda like pager too
15:30.20openstandardsactivity bar meets desktop pager
15:30.51James147openstandards: I could see that happening, though only when someone wants to write it...
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15:32.28openstandardsi can't see the point in having virtual desktop when we have activities which are able to do more
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15:35.05James147openstandards: I can, it lets you start and stop many applications across multiple desktops depending on what you are doing
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15:35.54openstandardsbut whats the difference between a virtual desktop and a desktop activity?
15:36.07James147openstandards: activities can be started and stoped
15:36.36thewanderer1we should all get proper desktop containers as per Qubes OS and leave behind all that "virtual desktop"/activity cruft
15:38.55openstandardsJames147: fair point haven't looked into activities properly too hidden...
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15:44.20thewanderer1there's a config option that unifies desktop activities and desktops into one
15:44.34openstandardswhere can this be found? :)
15:45.09thewanderer1hmm, I don't remember exactly, probably System settings -> Desktop
15:45.44thewanderer1I don't use that much... screen sessions being more useful than virtual desktops :P
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16:24.45proprietarysuckslinks like file:///etc sent to me via for example pidgin, open in konqueror, I'd prefer them to open in dolphin. How can I change that?
16:27.19thomasjHey. Someone else noticed some ark weirdness, opening a source tarball, clicking on some file without extension like 'AUTHORS' or 'README' and the popup window says: "Unable to load Netscape plugin for file..."? KDE 4.6.2
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16:27.39thomasjThe bad behavior is since a long time. Opening .txt or .cpp files works flawless.
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16:37.40sputnickhi there
16:38.18maxamillionhellp
16:38.21maxamillionhello*
16:38.56sputnickis there any solution to have a web page as desktop wallpaper under KDE 4.6.2 - archlinux ? (I think of nagios)
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16:41.33Sho_sputnick: not that i'm aware of, but writing a wallpaper provider plugin that throws up a website in a khtmlpart would be very trivial
16:42.39thiagowebkitpart
16:43.36Sho_points to channel name :)
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16:43.59thiagoSho_: we're talking about plasma
16:44.04sputnickSho_: can you describe what do you mean by "provider" ?
16:44.24Sho_sputnick: A wallpaper provider plugin is a Plasma plugin that, well, provides a wallpaper
16:44.36Sho_All the different wallpaper type choices in the wallpaper config UI are plugins
16:44.38thiago$ pmap `pidof plasma-desktop` | grep -c webkit
16:44.38thiago5
16:44.43thiago$ pmap `pidof plasma-desktop` | grep -c khtml
16:44.43thiago0
16:44.50thiagoso: use webkitpart :-)
16:44.56Sho_There is your basic image one, there's a slideshow one, and there's for example one that draws an interactive Earth globe
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16:45.49Sho_khtmlpart is probably fine in a wallpaper plugin, iirc plasma's propensity to use webkit rather than the kde solution is because it does better for the  compositing stuff plasmoids need to do on top of the containment background
16:45.57Sho_the wallpaper doesn't have those constraints
16:46.46Sho_anyway, whether it's khtmlpart or webkitpart, it's easy
16:46.48sputnickso I need to learn C++ I guess. I know C
16:47.06Sho_you can probably also write them in Python, Ruby and JavaScript
16:47.11sputnicknice
16:47.35sputnickwill search plasma in perl CPAN
16:47.55sputnick:/
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16:48.45sputnickruby will be a better shot http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/Ruby/GettingStarted
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16:49.01svuorelais sputnick related to Sput ?
16:49.12sputnickwhat, where, who ?
16:49.33sputnickis sput a nickname on IRC svuorela ?
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16:50.27svuorelaSput is quassel dev
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16:50.46sputnickhe, I know this guy trying so stole my nick name ;)
16:50.50sputnickthat's not me
16:51.52sputnickI'm the "real" sputnick, the first =)
16:52.02sputnick(dev too)
16:54.19sputnickhttp://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/RubyApplet looks interesting
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17:02.57Sputsputnick: the first? I got that nickname around 1994
17:03.12Sputdon't tell me you were first :)
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17:18.30DexterFis it possible to have grey borders in kaffeine instead of black ones for plasma TVs?
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17:23.23sputnickSput: I'm the only one with registered "sputnick" nick on freenode
17:23.48Sputyou got lucky that I found Freenode that late :P
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17:25.19sputnickthe "bad" point of view is we are both dev, and that makes confusing people
17:25.24sputnick(sput)
17:25.39Sputyeah, well, not much we can do about that
17:26.17thomasjDexterF, i never saw such a option. Could be hardcoded somewhere in the source.
17:26.21sputnickthere's no life in danger (I try to translate a French sentence)
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17:27.32thomasjDexterF, but you could ask in #kaffeine (though good luck, it's a very quiet channel).
17:27.34DexterFthomasj: I guess so, yes. will bug the authors about it.
17:27.49DexterFI'll try the ML
17:28.00thomasjYup, better idea :)
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17:52.04MaSchhi. i have a issue with kde crashing when i'm watching a flash video in fullscreen.
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18:04.24maxamillionMaSch: what distro and kde release? and what browser?
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18:05.25MaSch2.6.38-gentoo-r1  kde 4.6.2  chromium 11.0.696.50-r1
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18:31.41mamoothhey there
18:32.06mamoothI have a question related to k3b, please tell me if it's the wrong place.
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18:32.26mamoothI have a bin/cue DVD image pair, which I want to convert to an iso file
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18:32.44mamooth*until now, I can't find out how to achieve this
18:33.01mamoothis this possible with k3b out of the box?
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18:53.02axanonI'm having some issues recently. When kwin is enabled and I maximize windows, most of the time the windows expand, although everything in the window is black. the only way I can see something is to turn off kwin effects. Anybody know whats going on?
18:54.45Daskreechaxanon: you have an nvidia card?
18:54.53axanonyes Daskreech
18:55.00DaskreechThat would be it
18:55.08axanonis this an nvidia bug then?
18:55.26axanon..and would there be any sort of workaround/fix?
18:56.46axanonif anybody could link me to a relative (helpful
18:56.55axanonpost somewhere, it'd be appreciated.
18:57.01Daskreechaxanon: change your drivers
18:57.21axanonHmm, are the nouveau drivers decent?
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19:03.32Daskreechaxanon: depending on what you want yes
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19:54.12pyqwerHi, I recently switched from kde3 to kde4 and wonder if there's a plasmoid program launcher similar to KDE3, where one can place mini-icons into it.
19:54.31axanonquicklaunch
19:54.57pyqweraxanon: Is this addon or distributed with KDE4?
19:55.39axanoni'm not sure how your distro packages it, but it is an official kde plasmoid
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19:56.08axanonwhen you click on the panel tool box, do a search for 'quick' and see if it shows up
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19:56.26pyqwerAh, o.k., I'm German, is it may be called "Schnellstarter", this would be the translation of "quicklaunch".
19:56.50pyqweraxanon: Ah, got it!
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19:59.05axanonpyqwer: another plasmoid is 'daisy', if you're looking for something more like a dock
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20:00.32pyqweraxanon: Thanks, but it seems, quicklaunch perfectly suits my needs - just did not recognize it as the solution at first.
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21:54.58Thra11_Multiple monitors works, but forgets my settings every time it reboots. I know I solved this before but I can't remember how (might even have been by accident). (KDE 4.6.2, archlinux)
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22:31.36PelleTutwhen using desktop effects I don't get fullscreen controls in smplayer. any reason for that?
22:31.52PelleTutI would like to keep desktop effects btw :p
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22:41.40PelleTutnvm, turning off the show/hide animation in smplayer preferences worked
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23:26.13zimba12where do I find kile developer?
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23:27.31mcorteelon #kde-devel I think
23:27.52zimba12mcorteel: there is no dedicated channel, right?
23:28.24mcorteeldunno
23:28.38zimba12mcorteel, ok. thanks
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