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01:54.50aleitehello guys, where can I get the kde repositories, now kde uses git and svn, but I can't find a tutorial to get the source
01:58.06kde_pepoyou can browse the projects that are on git via projects.kde.org/projects
01:58.19kde_pepoall others are still in svn.kde.org
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02:03.36aleitethanks
02:10.23Kaapaspeaking of konsole and firefox... can it be configured so that middle mouse clicks opens the link in the browser?
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02:39.23lowksterafter i upgraded my opensuse to 11.4 running on top of kde 4.6, the highlight to copy stopped working. Issit suse or kde here ?
02:39.30lowksteror how can I find out ?
02:53.16kde_pepoWhat is "highlight to copy"?
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02:58.28lowksterkde_pepo, highlight some text using left mouse button, then paste either by pressing left and right or the middle mouse button
02:59.54kde_pepowhich part doesn't work? Which application?
03:00.13kde_pepoIt works fine here (openSUSE 11.4)
03:00.23lowksterall of it
03:00.51kde_pepoSo you cannot mark something in Konversation?
03:01.21lowksterkde_pepo, not using konversation i can highlight just that when i press both of my mouse keys together i cannot paste
03:01.32lowksteri have to use shift-ctrl-V to paste
03:01.46kde_pepoMaybe you didn't set middle mouse button emulation?
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03:02.21lowksterkde_pepo, that is done in xorg ?
03:02.25lowksterxorg.conf ?
03:02.53kde_pepoYeah, but that file is gone in newer X version, you have a xorg.conf.d/ now, with subfiles.
03:04.32lowksterugh
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03:05.14kde_pepobut you are right, I have to use middle button now, pressing both L+R does not work
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03:09.44lowksterkde_pepo, that is a kde thing ?
03:10.20James147lowkster: its an X thing as far as I know^^ though its defently not limited to kde
03:10.31kde_pepoNope, the emulation is done in X.
03:11.00lowksterright
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07:17.47BausparfuchsHi, I am a little bit confused. Yesterday my Gentoo told me that kdepim 4.5.95 was available. There is also a Thread on the mailing list that it had been released on saturday already. But my gentoo can't fetch it, as it is not on the servers yet. The directories on the ftp, though specified on the mailing list by the release team are simply not existent. Any idea what the current state is?
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07:18.53annmathe current state is that kdepim 4.6 beta is beta
07:19.04annma4.5.95 is a 4.6 beta
07:20.00annmaBausparfuchs: use kdepim stable
07:20.13annmawhich is 4.4.something
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07:21.23Bausparfuchsannma: I do want to use the beta, I smply just wanted to know if it is released yet, as loudly announced on the mailing list, or not, due to missing sources
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07:22.28annmaa beta is not a released
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07:27.06Bausparfuchsannma: you completely miss the point. The release team said: "tarballs uploaded": http://osdir.com/ml/release-team/2011-04/msg00036.html No matter if those are stable or not. There is nothing at all, and I just want to know if they are just temporarily vanished or the release was undone. If that sources aren't going to show up again, I could for example tell the portage maintainers of that, so that they could fix the emerging issues....
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07:27.42annmaI am part of the release team Bausparfuchs
07:28.51Bausparfuchsannma: so you will have no problem to tell me the state, I guess ;-)
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07:29.48annmalook here http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2011-April/004694.html
07:29.53annmathe tarballs had problems
07:30.33annmamainly related to strigi
07:30.42annmaand it's not released yet
07:30.55annmathe tarballs uploaded to packagers are for testing
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07:31.23annmaso probably Gentoo packagers are also still testing
07:31.33Bausparfuchsannma: well,  thanks, then I can remove those ebuilds until the tarballs get uploaded again
07:31.52annmayes
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07:32.51annmabe sure to check you get all the dependencies right as stated in the release team thread
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08:56.32pgegagood morning
08:56.57pgegamy kmail/kontact does not encode my email's display name properly (when sending out)
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08:57.27pgegakmail uses utf8 for email body properly, but not the display name
08:57.56pgegait was not an issue around 4.5
08:58.26pgegaanybody having similar problem?
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08:58.58xiaoping?
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09:01.43annmapgega: so how is it encoded?
09:02.33annmapgega: can you send m a mail to annma@kde.org so Ican see
09:04.16pgegaannma: all diacritic signs are replaced with '?'
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09:05.24annmacan you send me a sample please
09:06.16pgegaannma: of course, I am just sending it
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09:12.19pgegaannma: sent, I will sent you a sample from Gmial (which encodes display name with utf8)
09:14.31annmano need, I get it
09:14.40annmawhat kmail version is it?
09:15.10annmais the To field working OK?
09:15.41pgegaKMail 2.0.89
09:15.52pgegaKontact 4.6 beta4
09:19.26annmawhat about the "To" field?
09:19.47pgegaannma: one minute please
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09:28.26annmapgega: I asked the Kontact devels and a patch is in the process
09:28.40annmaprobably it won't be in beta5 but in next
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09:29.05annmahttp://bugs.kde.org/263761 for reference pgega
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09:30.24pgegaoh, thanks. that would be my next step :o)
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12:22.58crocketHow can I add music from amarok to iPhone 4?
12:23.05crocketiPhone4 doensn't even seem to be detected  by amarok.
12:23.09crocketI use amarok 2.4.0 and kde 4.5.5
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12:26.29annmais iphone detected by your system at all?
12:27.13crocketannma, It's detected by my system or libimobiledevice.
12:28.26annmawhen you plug it, is it viewed in dolphin for example,
12:30.12annmacrocket: ^^
12:30.45crocketannma, It can be viewed as "camera:"
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12:33.47crocketannma, oops. amarok detects my iPhone4.
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12:36.02lazarus477Can someone sugest some URL about fine tuning the desktop effects with regard to crash issues?
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12:40.28kollapseHi. What console command can I run to disable compositing in KDE ? A terminal's equivalent to Alt+Shift+F12 if you will.
12:40.59kollapseMaybe something DBUS related ?
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12:42.11Verge10 seconds in Google: qdbus org.kde.kwin /KWin toggleCompositing
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12:46.05kollapseVerge: I shamefully admit my lazyness and I thank you kind sir.
12:46.55VergeIt took less typing to google that than to join this channel and ask
12:46.56Vergeactually
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12:48.35crocketIf I just copied mp3 files directly to iPhone4, would iPod on iPhone4 fail to detect those files?
12:49.19VergeApple devices do not support DnD
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12:51.31crocketVerge, What's DnD?
12:51.52crocketVerge, I just copied using amarok.
12:52.13crocketThey seemed to be copied, but when I reconnected iPhone4 to my computer, all mp3 files have gone.
12:52.18VergeDrag 'n' drop
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12:53.22crocketVerge, I didn't do Drag n Drop. "just copied" doesn't mean "DnD"
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12:54.15VergeCopying directly means drag 'n' drop
12:54.20VergeThe same effect
12:54.37crockethuh?
12:54.41VergeThey require a manager application of some sort
12:54.46VergeI though Amarok could handle them
12:54.54crocketVerge, I just copied directly using amarok.
12:55.09VergeWell what is "indirect" then
12:55.31crocketVerge, amarok can copy mp3 files to iPhone4 in two ways. 1) Copying with transcoding 2) Copying unmodified mp3 files directly.
12:55.32VergeDirect copy means you use 'cp' or DnD or something like that
12:55.39Vergeok
12:55.44crocketVerge, Direct means unmodified.
12:55.57VergeMaybe
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12:58.28crocketVerge, You need to be careful when you infer.
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13:02.30VergeI'm always as careful in my deductions as is my opponent in his explanations
13:02.40VergeNothing more, nothing less
13:02.57annmahehe Verge good answer
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13:05.02crocketOK
13:05.27crocketI mounted iPhone on my computer.
13:05.32crocketAnd the music files were in it.
13:05.42crocketBut iPod app can't detect those songs.
13:05.47crocketWhat the hell
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13:10.47PasNoxHello
13:11.03PasNoxanybody having information about phonon handling webcams ?
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13:11.24masePasNox: not sure why phonon would handle a webcam...afaik phonon is sound
13:11.46maseperhaps if your webcam has a mic
13:11.55maseit would handle that portion of it.....
13:12.02PasNoxah right :D
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13:12.19pinotreephonon is video too
13:12.32pinotreePasNox: your question is a bit generic, please ask directly what's the problem
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13:13.08PasNoxi jsut want to know if phonon will support camera captugin, and if yes for which version
13:13.19PasNoxcapturing*
13:13.28PasNoxpinotree:
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13:44.59Vardanhi all
13:45.00Vardanpeople do you know about this kind of problem: When I open image in Gwenview and maximize window my X (I think crashing) restarting.
13:46.45Sho_haven't seen that, Vardan - sounds like a driver issue, though
13:47.06Vardanvideo driver?
13:47.18Sho_yup
13:47.34VardanI have ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4300 Series card and fglrx as driver
13:48.03cb400fVardan: tried disabling desktop effects? .. you wouldn't be using something crazy like compiz? ;-)
13:48.20Vardanalready disabled. I never used them :)
13:48.39cb400fhm.. that's very weird
13:48.43VardanI forgot to write that I have two monitors (notebook with one extra monitor)
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13:49.10Vardanwhen I maximize Gwenview in extra monitor it works
13:49.47Vardanbut when I'm trying maximize in laptop monitor X refreshing
13:49.53cb400fso you have some kind of funky dual head setup complicating things?
13:50.49annmaanyone with KDE 3.5 by any chance
13:50.49Vardanyup
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13:53.14Sho_Vardan: fglrx is very buggy, I recommend you use the open source drivers
13:53.23Vardanati?
13:53.41cb400fradeon
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13:54.25Vardandoes that driver support 3D acceleration?
13:54.41Sho_yes
13:55.00Vardanso, it's better then fglrx?
13:55.32Sho_it's far less buggy and significantly faster (orders of magnitude with some things) on 2D
13:55.45Sho_on 3D it tends to be slower then fglrx, although slower is better than crashing
13:55.58Sho_with some cards and specific workloads it has recently started to become faster than fglrx
13:56.00Vardanthat is right :)
13:56.41Vardanok, thanks, I'll try radeon :)
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14:18.16pinotreesettings → configure notifications too
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16:12.02PlasmaHHhi, I am running two monitors with nvidia twinview settings... everything works fine with it, just that the desktop behaves as if it was two seperate ones. I need to set a background image for each of them, sometimes one of them turns grey, and when logging in again in 50% of all cases the images are swapped... do I need to do anything special to have kde support this setup?
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16:35.57twois10Anyone notice Okular has a major font/text rendering issue where it is blurry/unreadable  -- and is there a possible fix?
16:37.54annmawith all pdfs?
16:38.15annmatwois10: if it was so, I don't think Okular would have been released
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16:39.02twois10annma: just certain pages, inclding .chm files
16:39.38twois10there's also specification issue i think
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16:40.20twois10kchtmview has no issue at all with .chm files
16:40.50twois10there are link issues too
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16:45.43twois10I guess i will have to install adobe pdf reader after all
16:45.47twois10:(
16:46.04annmafirst issue a bug report
16:46.09annmaattach a sample file to it
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16:46.26annmait's unlikely we can fix it like this
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16:48.31pinotreetwois10: what about providing a screenshot?
16:49.00twois10one sec
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16:53.59twois10pinotree: http://paste.opensuse.org/41703007
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16:54.46pinotreewhich zoom level?
16:55.44twois10pinotree: i dont think it is zoom related
16:55.53twois10the next page is not corrupt
16:56.20pinotreewhat about replying to my questions? :)
16:57.05Sho_twois10: pino wrote much of the app, so his questions are likely to have good reasons
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16:57.59twois10am trying to provide best info as much as i can -- the zoom was 173%
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16:59.04pinotreeis the page "big" (for example more than 1500-200 px tall) when setting the zoom at 100%)?
16:59.37pinotree(looks like that page is a chm document?)
17:00.42twois10yes this is a chm doc, but to you last question not sure
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17:01.42twois10after setting the page to 100% i can read the previously corrupted text so my apologies
17:01.56twois10the text is very small though
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17:02.15pinotreei guess the page is long/very long (see the page in the side thumbnails)
17:02.34twois10yes, it's a very long page
17:03.22pinotreeokular has a limit on very big pages, because at the moment it renders only whole pages (even when just a part is shown)
17:03.44pinotree(that's the same reason the maximum zoom available is 400%)
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17:04.15Sho_because without that limit, the full rasterization occupies too much memory
17:04.35pinotreegiven that such limit can be hit for looong chm pages too (or very big pages in general), even at zoom levels less than 400% they can be not generated anymore
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17:05.28Sho_the solution is to switch to a tile-based rendering system where pages are divided into tiles and only the tiles that actually intersect the viewport get rasterized
17:05.31Sho_that's being worked on
17:05.55pinotreedidn't remeber to have hired a secretary -- hopes he won't ask for payment now :p
17:05.59Vardannis fuckingysu
17:06.14twois10so setting the performance to aggressive has no effect on this issue i guess
17:06.21Vardansorry :)
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17:06.37pinotreethat affects what is cached, not what is rendered
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17:08.04Sho_(pino's grumpyness is also being worked on :p=
17:08.14pinotree(never!)
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17:10.23twois10can we expect a work-around in future release--as I really like having an all-in-on app
17:10.42twois10all-in-one*
17:10.51Sho_[19:05] <Sho_> the solution is to switch to a tile-based rendering system where pages are divided into tiles and only the tiles that actually intersect the viewport get rasterized
17:10.52Sho_[19:05] <Sho_> that's being worked on
17:11.09Sho_so yes, you can
17:11.43twois10didnt know that comment was for me
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17:18.48twois10Thanks for the help by the way, at least now i know what the issue is.
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17:19.46Sho_no problem
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17:47.17bluefrogusing the search and launch page on a netbook kubuntu. click on the internet icon. applications icons appear and then "rearrange" themselves. how can I stop those icons from moving?
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17:59.31bluefroghow can I stop icons from moving whenever I click on a "container" icon? (internet, multimedia and so on)
18:01.13Sho_could be that the animation gets disabled when you set to low cpu in system settings
18:01.38Sho_in application appearance -> style -> fine tuning
18:01.55cb400fbluefrog: are your widgets locked?
18:02.27bluefrogfirst time using KDE
18:02.46bluefrogchanged to low cpu but doesn't seem to have an effect
18:04.07bluefrogdon't know if they are locked. don't even know if they are widgets
18:04.30bluefrogright on them doesn't tell me lock/unlock widget
18:04.39bluefrogright click
18:04.40cb400fdo you have a cashew in some corner of the screen?
18:04.56cb400fbottom left perhaps?
18:05.03bluefroghalf a moon bottom left
18:05.16cb400fhasn't fiddled much with search and launch other than briefly testing netbook
18:05.20cb400fclick that
18:05.41cb400fshould have an option to lock/unlock widgets
18:06.27bluefrognope
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18:07.56mxttie|worktry disabling animations in the style (system settings)
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18:09.31cb400fbetter Alt+F2 -> oxygen-settings
18:09.40cb400fassuming the style is oxygen of course
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18:09.48aanderse-laptopi haven't done any kde development, but i do c++ and qt development. i want to play around with ark so i grabbed the ark source from svn, i'm now having trouble compiling it... can anyone please point me to a guide or give me some help if possible?
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18:13.20bluefrogcb400f, ty for the help but it doesn't change anything. tried other animations stuff I found by chance. gonna stick to gnome.
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18:13.46annmaaanderse-laptop: you need to get the whole module in order to build it
18:14.21aanderse-laptopannma: which whole module?
18:14.41annmanot sure where ark is
18:14.47aanderse-laptopkde-utils
18:14.49annmatell me the urml of the svn source please
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18:14.59annmayes so you need to svn co the whole kde-utils
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18:15.31annmakdeutils/ even
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18:15.48annmathen you issue cmake on top of kdeutils
18:16.01aanderse-laptopannma: thank you, i'll try that
18:16.02annmaand you can then only build ark
18:16.19annmacmake being called in a build dir, not in the source dir
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18:16.49annmawe're moving to git and such inconvenience as getting whole modules will be gone
18:17.01annmabut for now, kdeutils is still in svn
18:18.07aanderse-laptopah, i see
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18:18.54aanderse-laptophmmm, interesting
18:18.59aanderse-laptopworking (so far) now
18:19.06aanderse-laptopactually building, thanks again
18:20.39N9NUis there a problem with KDE 4.6.2 and some Window Effects using OpenGL with the problem of automatically logging a user out back to KDM ?
18:21.28N9NUi have to switch to Xrender and everything is AOK
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18:23.39adv_where are kate config file placed?
18:24.09adv_hm found it
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18:26.45rdieterN9NU: most likely a X-server/driver crash
18:27.25N9NUokay...not a biggie as Xrender works just fine. i will report it though
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18:39.28krikois it possible to directly delete a file in dolphin when you press delete, not moving it to trash?
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18:41.53cb400fyes.. either shift+del .. or set the option in the settings
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18:42.06krikoI'm in settings and cannot find it
18:42.30krikohm or just disable all options in trash...
18:43.10James147kriko: its in the shorcut settings....
18:43.32James147^^ though its best to use shift+del when you need to bypass it :)
18:44.09krikoshortcut? hm...
18:44.54krikoI see, tnx
18:45.09krikoI thought it was an option in settings to completely disable trash mechanism
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18:45.54James147kriko: why do you want to disable it completely? it is very useful when you delete things by accdent :)
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18:46.37krikoI never used it, even under windows
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19:18.54kdedevelaseigo: hi, some time ago you made big improvements to multihead plasma. The only problem at the time was that on secondary screens plasma was always in english. Today I checked current trunk (to fix kwin multihead) and found out that's still the case. Do you have any plans for it? Thanks
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20:23.07akumixxI do not see "show hiden files" in dolphin to see .wine directory. Is it here ?
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20:24.44kderthere is a menu item of "show hidden files" in dolphin
20:24.52ak70Hi, guys. Does anyone have the problem of moving files to Trash being slow?
20:25.20akumixxak70, never saw it
20:26.22ak70I just noticed that the folder for the Trash can is in my home partition, and whenever I try to move files in other parition, Dolphin actually moves the file from one partition to another.
20:26.24kderak70: me 2
20:26.46akumixxak70, wow
20:26.58akumixxak70, thats not good.........
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20:27.14ak70akumixx, any suggestions?
20:27.39troykder: alt+.
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20:27.52troykder: that's the default shortcut to show/hide hidden files in dolphin
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20:28.01kderak70: which linux release are you using?
20:28.15ak70Debian with kde 4.6 in experimental
20:28.16troysorry, that's for akumixx :)
20:28.31akumixxak70, I do not know if it is possible to set it to not to do it. try another fileman krusader
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20:28.49kderak70: the show hidden files menu item is in menu "view"
20:29.59akumixxkder, oh my goodnes..... all the time ... all the time ... I was searching it in the main configuration options......
20:30.12ak70kder, is that for me or for somebody else?
20:30.43kderak70: for you
20:31.13ak70why? try to find the physical trash folder in a partition?
20:32.07kderak70: the trash folder is in you home folder
20:32.15kderit's also a hidden folder
20:32.23ak70I know that
20:33.22kderi usually use terminal to mamange files ;)
20:33.55ak70and I have tried to create the Trash folder manually for all my partitions, but Dolphin does not recognise them.
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20:34.19kderak70: yes, it's must be
20:34.59kderevery user only have one trash folder
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20:35.25kderit's diffrent than windows
20:36.35ak70I used to be a long time Gnome user, and in nautilus, I used to have similar problems. The way I solved it was to create a trash folder in each partition and change their ownership to my account.
20:37.26ak70Also, I have a external hard drive, and somehow, Dolphin created a trash folder on it for me
20:38.04kderanother hard disk?
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20:39.12ak70In fact, when I open the trashcan settings, there are two folders in it, one is my home folder and the other one is from the external harddrive.
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20:40.54kderif you use the thrid hard disk,there will be another trash folder you can see
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20:41.29ak70no, no more folders for trash can, that is why I have this problem.
20:41.59Tshawhello
20:42.15ak70I have 4 partitions for my internal hard drive, and only the home folder has the trash can folder.
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20:42.50kderak70: so i suggest you to make a raid 0
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22:42.13lazarus477Can someone tell me how to get rid of the glowing aura surounding all of my desktop windows, I have desktop effects enabled? I just want to get rid of the aura, not all the effects.
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22:43.18James147lazarus477: System settings > workspace appearence > window decorations > configure decoration
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22:48.01lazarus477James147: ty
22:49.29lazarus477James147: No wonder I could not find it, I was looking all over the place under desktop effects, lol. Thanks again.
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23:00.07gorudonuhello!
23:00.50gorudonuis anyone here using media screen saver to play movies in kde ?
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23:04.38Simkinnot i
23:04.53Simkindoesn't sound like a very good feature really
23:05.54gorudonuwhy not? sounds good if you're using computer as radiator :D
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23:11.43Simkingorudonu: better option = foldingat home
23:11.48Simkincure cancer while you keep yourself warm
23:12.07gorudonu:)
23:13.58gorudonuit should be supported by default
23:14.11gorudonufrom what I read
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23:19.38gorudonueh.. I'd better go to sleep
23:19.45gorudonuthanks anyway :)
23:19.47gorudonugoodnight
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