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00:01.01feindbildCaptainSifff: lol, yeah, I'll post it in #amarok ^^
00:01.16CaptainSifffThat's good!
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00:01.23feindbildhi ^^
00:01.53feindbildhttp://pastebin.com/YMHJH2T7 <- some funky pm-utils love for amarok if anybody likes it :D
00:02.09feindbildoops
00:02.48feindbildppft, one in the morning, messing up shortcuts ^^
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01:04.38judgenwhere is the settings for rearrangeing the kwin buttons in kde4?
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02:10.06magisterthis a very quick and humble questoin. 've spent past 3 days trying to understand waht exactly are KDE "activities"
02:10.16magisterso far I gather they're like drawrs for severl app/widgets
02:10.23magisterbut,.. I feel I'm missing somethign
02:10.31magistercould someoneone point me where to read more about them?
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02:21.27swillstrying to build kdebinding-smoke, i get this: http://freebsd.pastebin.com/gps7dyLv
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04:27.58BountyXhey guys I have a weird issue. Every first login, my desktop in KDE does not properly load. I have to logout and log back in for it to load.
04:28.09BountyXAny suggestions?
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07:02.51anishanyone else notice the battery monitor showing wrong info after susp/resume ? mine always shows zero after resume
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09:16.47howlymowlyhi poeple.. short question:  my kopete isn't working...   when I start it, it always says "kopete(2683)/kio (KDirWatch) KDirWatchPrivate::removeEntry: doesn't know "/home/myuser/.kde/share/apps/kabc"
09:16.52howlymowlyany idea?
09:17.36howlymowlyI didn't do anything (updating my system for example) it just stopped working from one day to the next
09:17.54thiago_homethe error seems unrelated
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09:19.20Adri2000hi
09:19.25Adri2000is strigi development dead or... ?
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09:28.56howlymowlythiago: any idea, why kopete freezes right after this message then? (actually the kopete GUI doesn't even show up)
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11:59.13cojackhello folks
11:59.22cojackdo we have any ocr tools in kde apps?
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12:09.49annmacojack: isn't Simon one?
12:10.07Sho_no Simon is speech recognition
12:10.25annmaah yes
12:10.29annmaI just googled it
12:10.44annmawasn't there something started with Sane at some point
12:12.08annmacojack: do you know free ocr programs? because KDE would likely be a frontend of one
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12:14.21icarus-ctesseract
12:14.28icarus-cand pick a frontend
12:18.38annmait does not seem in development now
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14:26.58tadzikhello, is asking for help ok for this channel?
14:27.13kmzbyyes
14:28.44tadzikcool. I moved to kdm from xdm just now, and I see it does not run my .xinitrc. I copied its contents, plus my ~/.profile which also wasn't loaded by kdm to a script in ~/.kde/env/startup.sh, but it isn't ran by niether kdm nor kde itself. Is there anything I'm doing wrong?
14:29.45Yukingrename it as .xsession
14:30.27tadzik.xinitrc, or the script in .kde/env?
14:30.45pinotreetadzik: scripts in ~/.kde/env are not run, but sourced (`. script`)
14:31.04Yukingtadzik: .xinitrc
14:31.15pinotreefor scripts to run, place them in ~/.kde/Autostart
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14:31.30tadzikpinotree: wfm, but they aren't it seems. My env vars ($PATH, $LC_TYPE) weren't set
14:31.52tadzikI'll move the run-related lines to Autostart, let's see
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14:32.12tadzikYuking: I'll try KDE-way first
14:33.30Yukingtadzik: you are using kdm to start other DE? or you just want to set some environment vars?
14:33.55tadzikYuking: kdm, as I said
14:34.00tadzik1528   tadzik | cool. I moved to kdm from xdm just now
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14:34.07tadzikxdm was loading .profile just fine
14:34.52Yukingtadzik: oh, what i said can not solve your problem
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14:37.32tadzikwell, that didn't help eirhet
14:37.48tadzikneither of the scripts was run
14:37.51tadzik* ran
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14:40.23tadzikhow do I investigate this?
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14:54.55sebastadzik: .profile is only for interactive login shells
14:55.16sebasit *shouldn't* be sourced when kdm starts the whole KDE shebang
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14:57.50tadziksebas: what if I want to set up my own $PATH, $PERL5LIB and so?
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14:59.25sebastadzik: you use /env/bla.sh :)
14:59.30sebasand export it from there
14:59.40tadziksebas: .kde/env/bla, yes?
15:00.04tadzikwell, shame it doesn't work :)
15:00.10sebasno, ~/.kde/env/bla.sh
15:00.22tadzikyeah, I have .sh in there
15:00.22sebasor ~/.kde4/, whatever your $KDEHOME suggests
15:00.29tadzikno $KDEHOME is set
15:00.36sebastadzik: then you have another local problem, that mechanism is definitely working
15:00.37tadzikmaybe that's the problem
15:00.50tadzikI see. What should set that then?
15:00.51sebaswell, if you're not in your default $KDEHOME, it might be
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15:01.33tadzikI'll move those to .kde4
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15:04.28tadziksebas++
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15:04.45tadzik.kde was it, seems the lack of KDEHOME is another problem on my system
15:04.48tadziksebas: thanks
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15:05.20pinotreeKDEHOME is not mandatory, in case the value as built-configured with kdelibs will be used
15:05.39pinotree(which is ~/.kde by default for us, and few distro changed it to ~/.kde4)
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15:06.07tadzikgentoo probably did it :)
15:06.21pinotreekde4-config --localprefix will tell you
15:06.28tadzikanother one: org.freedesktop.UDisks.Error.PermissionDenied: Not Authorized
15:06.42tadzikthat's what it tells me when I try to mount a pendrive using the device-notifier popup
15:07.18tadzikI read somewhere that it won't trust me if I won't use kdm, for consolekit will have some issues, but seems that it doesn't trust me anyway. What can be wrong?
15:07.32tadzikpinotree: yeah, that said ~/.kde4
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15:19.37BajKto make a /usr/share/autostart not being triggered, is it enough to just rename it to .desktop_ ?
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16:59.19roscohow can I deactivate machine-wide (or uninstall) the screensaver in KDE ?
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17:07.15icwienerrosco: There should be a package like kscreensaver in your distro.
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17:09.34roscoicwiener: I've removed all packages with name approaching  "saver", I hope there is no other package offering this feature...
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17:12.57Rettichhey guys
17:14.23Rettichi'm thinking of participating in gsoc
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17:15.20Rettichit's my first time, any advices?
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17:16.18KlanticusRettich: try asking in #kde-soc
17:16.31Rettichthx
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17:20.22alpha_one_x86Support for asynchronous SFTP downloading is implemented in kio_sftp -> Is for KDE 4.6 or KDE 4.7: http://dot.kde.org/2011/02/23/kde-commit-digest-6th-february-2011
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17:25.18_1094kmsHow do I go about saving a URL shortcut on my desktop - tried modifieng the chromium startup file but it changes it for all chromium shortcuts systemwide.
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17:34.10_1094kmsgot it - just created a copy of the chromium.desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications
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17:50.34RingtailedFoxhiya, guys.. is this the KDE for Windows room?
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17:50.41KevinBhi folks
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17:51.02KevinBanyone know where can I find a pkg-config binary for windows?
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17:51.29annmaRingtailedFox: there's a channel for KDE on windows, it might be #kde-windows
17:51.34KevinBI ve downloaded one from a gnome user ftp, but when I set it to cmake like this http://pastebin.com/A0wBbhMU
17:51.41RingtailedFoxthanks
17:51.53annmaKevinB: same channel
17:51.56KevinBannma :)
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17:52.17annmaKevinB: KDE should get all it needs thought by itself
17:54.10KevinBannma ? KDE should get all it needs? I dont see the point, im kinda noob sorry :)
17:54.26annmaKDE on windows
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17:54.38annmawhen you install KDE on windows
17:54.55annmathe installer should download all it needs
17:55.05annmathat was the case the last time I used it
17:55.13annmaKevinB: ^^
17:55.14KevinBallright, so if i install KDE I may get what I wanrt
17:55.26KevinBactuually I need it for building phonon-vlc backend
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17:55.44annmaso maybe ask in another channel
17:55.46KevinBKDE is smart :)
17:55.52annmait is indeed
17:55.55annma:)
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18:54.54Irwellhi... does anyone know about desktop effects? the logout desaturation wasn't working properly (drawing weirdly) so i disabled it and there was no desaturation. when i restarted the effect remained off but log out has started desaturating properly. the problem is that the application launcher doesn't finish hiding before the desktop desaturates and part of it remains visible.
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19:00.12Irwellalso, is there a decent version of blueproximity for kde?
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19:21.07kevrGuys.
19:21.26kevrI'm having a problem with KDE4 desktop positioning on a laptop with an Nvidia GeForce 9650M GT
19:21.54jcolbykevr: what's the problem?
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19:22.05kevrFor some reason, KDE doesn't allow me to set the vertical rate to 60Hz, which is supported by my card/screen
19:22.08kevrand the problem is that
19:22.15kevrthe taskbar keeps going too far off the desktop
19:22.23kevr11:22 AM only shows 11:22 A
19:22.36kevrthere's also a small black margin at the top of the desktop
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19:23.19jcolbyHave you tried setting the rate with nvidia-settings?
19:23.21mathbrHi. Is kpowerdevil the preferred choice for power management within KDE?
19:23.35kevrjcolby, yes, i have
19:23.42kevrit's 60Hz, but in KDE settings it only shows 50Hz
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19:24.19annmakevr: as far as I know KDE reads X settings
19:24.33kevrWell.. it's not.
19:24.34kevr:/
19:24.35annmaKDE does not set this by itself
19:24.46annmait is
19:24.47rdieterkde settings simply reports what xrandr provides
19:24.54annmayup
19:24.55rdieterkevr: what does 'xrandr' report?
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19:25.24kevr<PROTECTED>
19:25.42rdieteris unsure of nvidia's support for xrandr, what's there may well be inaccurate
19:25.46Irwellso does nobody know about the desktop effects then?
19:25.46kevrI can try to manually make an xorg.conf that reflects 50
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19:26.36kevralso, my DPI is 96x96
19:26.40kevrbrb.
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19:27.54kevrNope... same problem.
19:28.01kevrBy the way, this problem only happens in KDE.
19:28.05kevrOut of 6 other managers.
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19:29.03pfrogit seems like fluxbox might be more useful than the new gnome
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19:29.44rdieterkevr: problem that xrandr reporting refresh wrong ? or that the visible screen goes off the edge? or both?
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19:30.22kevrrdieter both
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19:30.46kevrnot even just that, the top part of the desktop has a black margin
19:30.52kevrless than a cm, but its still there
19:31.07annmaa cm is huge
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19:31.12kevryeah
19:31.14kevrlol
19:31.16annmawhat distro kevr
19:31.17kevrfor a screen margin.
19:31.17kevrxD
19:31.21kevrArch Linux
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19:31.23kevrx86_64
19:31.24annmaand what kde version
19:31.33kevrsec
19:31.42annmaah weird lots of people use it
19:31.52annmaI never heard that problem
19:31.53kevr4.6
19:32.05kevr4.6.0-2
19:32.07rdietercan't imagine how wm can affect reported refresh rates from xrandr
19:32.16annmayes
19:32.23kevrI've had KDE running fine on here before
19:32.27kevrBut with this version..
19:32.27annmawhat are your other wm kevr
19:32.32annmaah
19:32.44kevrgnome, openbox, blackbox, fluxbox, awesomewm, dwm, xmonad
19:32.48kevrall work fine.
19:32.51annmawhat are your other wm kevr and what does xrand report
19:33.05annmaso use KDE with fluxbox
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19:33.18annmaI mùean,try it
19:33.20kevrI don't use fluxbox anymore, I was just stating what I used in the past
19:33.38kevrbut i'm sure i can install it and it'll do the same as before.
19:33.51annmain the past
19:33.56kevrlike recent past.
19:34.03pfrogweird... haven't had any problems here with arch and kde :-) best combo I've had yet for a linux desktop
19:34.04annmayou said it worked ok when KDE 4.6 did not
19:34.10kevri reformatted from i686 to x86_64 yesterday
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19:34.16kevrso i dont have fluxbox on here right now
19:34.23kevrim using all the same configs i used before reformat
19:34.26kevrbacked up
19:34.27annmayou said KDE 4.6 reports it wrong while 5 other wm work well
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19:34.35kevrexactly.
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19:34.51kevrxrandr doesnt report that much wrong, it just says that my reso has only 50hz refresh rate
19:34.55kevrwhen nvidia-settings tells me i have 60
19:34.58Drostedoes anyone have the same problem with the taskbar that it stops autohiding if an icon in the bar was pressed? kde restart "fixes" the problem. this is with opensuse 11.3 and kde 4.6.0. it used to work in 4.5.x.
19:34.59RovanionWhat is default keybinding for switching workspaces?
19:35.46kevrthis is one thing it does report though, xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
19:35.57kevrnot sure if that has anything to do with it
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19:40.23annmaRovanion: ctrl+Fn n being the workspace number
19:41.21Rovanionannma: Fn? I don't have that key on my keyboard, it's not a laptop.
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19:42.25annmaI do have it on top
19:42.39annmaesc then the F1 F2 F3
19:42.43annma...
19:42.57annmaFn, n being a number Rovanion
19:43.36Rovanionannma: Ah, I was thinking of the function key on laptop keyboards :P
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20:00.35kevrEh... no avail
20:00.41kevrI have a feeling it 'might' be nvidia drivers.
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21:11.27anishdoes anyone have any pointers on how i'd go about debugging the battery monitor in 4.6 ?
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21:31.31tdnWhen I pull the power plug on my laptop, the screen is locked after a few seconds. How do I disable this? I cannot find it in power settings.
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23:33.40WulfenI've made some changes to the GTK theme settings, and I was instructed to restart KDE.  If I simply terminate plasma-desktop and kwin, to preserve my currently running applications, would this be sufficient to enact the new theme changes?
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23:45.04AshlebedeHey
23:45.18AshlebedeIs there any way to add a keyboard shortcut for the "K" menu ?
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23:47.27AshlebedeD:
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23:49.15WulfenAshlebede, right-click on the K menu, Application Launcher Settings
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23:50.08Ashlebedethank you, I'll try that
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23:52.56phoenix_firebrdthe volume control adjustment is missing in kmix. not able to bring it back using settings->configure channels. nothing pops up when i select the menu
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