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02:34.50Frederickfolkss my kde trash can is not working ive tried to adda link to trash:/ but things seem be directly removed even whe I try to move to there what can I do?
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02:43.41u19809hi all,  if I start kde using startx everything is OK.  If I start using KDM it does not start and return to the kdm login ... HELP !
02:44.15sreichlook at ~/.xsession-errors
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02:46.16u19809sreich : that does not show anything recognisable (lots of messages).  Kdm.log complains about ibus not being found
02:46.33sreichibus?
02:46.38sreichor do you mean dbus?
02:47.05u19809ibus yes (ibus-daemon).
02:47.22u19809I tried with a new users and that seems to work, also root works but my regular users does not
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02:47.31u19809I removed the .kde folder but that does not work either
02:51.11u19809it looks as if some application that resumes after login fails and causes the login to fail.  How can I create a clean desktop ?
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03:12.38Frederickfolks when I remove I file in kde it is not going to trash but just disappearing what can I do?
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06:18.10*** topic/#kde is KDE SC 4.6 is out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4
06:19.28valoriemathman, it depends on your keyboard
06:20.06valorieif you have a laptop, it's a bit different than a regular keyboard, and then again those with the number keys are different yet again
06:20.28valoriethinks it's easiest to find them and copy/paste
06:20.28Mathmanvalorie: just a regular run of the mill keyboard.  I'm from the US and all.  alternatively if anyone could tell me where ligatures are found under kcharselect.
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06:21.00valoriesorry, I'm a wimp with that stuff
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07:24.01vwbusguyI have a problem where when I click on a link in an application, firefox opens the link twice in two tabs.  Here is my .local/share/applications/mimeapps.list - http://fpaste.org/6UmT/
07:24.25vwbusguythe behavior is the same using xdg-open <url> and kde-open exec <url>
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08:58.46fixmanhello. i have problem. http://img703.imageshack.us/i/snapshot1rx.png/ ant the bottom of the screenshot the panel is soooooooooooo small that i can't really use it. how can i expend it?
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09:02.35valoriedang my computer is slow tonight
09:02.53valorieoh, wierd
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09:03.24valoriewhat happens when you click on the cashew on the right-bottom corner?
09:03.31valoriecan you expand it there?
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09:04.48Jucatothere is no cashew. widgets/desktop is probably locked.
09:04.57Jucato"no panel cashew" I mean
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10:08.03edgyHi, vlc: Media -> Open file, takes too long to bring dolphin dialog box, seems to be a kde issue, how can i debug this?
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10:09.15valorieedgy, you can always start it up in the console, then watch the output
10:09.16mastertheknifeedgy: I think its a KDE issue as well. I've had it open with opera too, the dolphin dialog came but it was very slow
10:09.28mastertheknifehad it happen*
10:09.30mastertheknifemy bad, lol
10:09.46valorieyou might want to get your debugging stuff first
10:09.56valorieif your distro splits that out
10:10.01edgyvalorie: i can see messages like: QProcess: Destroyed while process is still running.
10:10.02edgykfilemodule(4442) KSambaSharePrivate::getNetUserShareInfo: We got some errors while running 'net usershare info'
10:10.11cb400fit's one of those things.. I saw a forum thread about it... vlc blames KDE... KDE blames the kernel guys...
10:10.34edgycb400f: do you have a link to a bug filed or the thread?
10:10.36mastertheknifecb400f: knowing who to blame is the key to success ;)
10:10.53valoriethat an excellent bug reports
10:10.59valorie-s
10:11.01mastertheknifeperhaps its this? http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=85408
10:11.02cb400fedgy: lemme try if I can find it in my irc logz
10:11.24cb400fyup, that looks like it's the one
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10:12.22mastertheknifeAlso, http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/50595#comment-14516
10:12.40cb400fmaybe use bangarang with vlc as phonon backend :-)
10:12.42mastertheknifecontains some information about the problem
10:12.54pinotreethe vlc library gets on the way of qt's process management, so when kde tries to get the version of shared-mime-info, the process cannot be properly monitored, and the two 30s timeouts kick in
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10:13.40pinotreewe did a "workaround" for kde 4.6.1, but the bad api misuse is mostly on vlc side (and they fixed it, iirc)
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10:14.33cb400fan nice
10:14.42pinotreeand odysseus' comment in the last link actually explains the issue
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10:17.40edgymastertheknife, cb400f: thanks
10:18.04edgypinotree: you mean the bug is fixed now?
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10:41.36yecril71plThe documentation for kio_info contains a blue "info".
10:41.55yecril71plWhen I hover over it, I get a tooltip containing "info".
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10:42.25yecril71plwould expect it to be a link to info:/info
10:42.44yecril71plclicks on it and nothing happens
10:43.24yecril71pl(incidentally, the tooltip for "gcc" also says "info", and no link)
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10:45.30yecril71plIt seems that the tooltips universally give the name of the section they are in.
10:45.39yecril71plRetarded.
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10:47.33cb400fwonders if _any_ issue is too small to get yecril71pl worked up ;-)
10:48.18yecril71plcb400f: define "small"
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10:54.14yecril71plThe documentation on the web does not have links either.
10:54.34yecril71plOTOH, it does not have titles either, so it must be a thing added by KHelpCenter
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10:56.30yecril71plAlso note that the Web version does not contain the "contact us" link
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10:59.51AhyuwhiyeI have a problem with Konqueror, it does not remember nor follows the font (size) settings, is there a trick to fix this?
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11:09.25Frederickhi folks. Folks I have kde Platform Version 4.6.00 (4.6.0) . By some reason the trashcan is notworking. I added a link to trash:/ it displays the right icon but if I do click there nothing seems to be being stored there waiting for permanent removal. I wonder where are my files going and how do I fix it. Good news, files are not disappearingthey ce back when I start a new session as my user in kde so maybe thisis a broken symlink or somehing like
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11:15.50LinexMy X is at tty :0 . How do I start a firefox in console and have it start in my X which is at tty :0.
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11:16.10thiago_home:0 is not a tty
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11:16.19thiago_homebut you want DISPLAY=:0 firefox
11:16.22thiago_homeand that's not a KDE question
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11:16.55Linexthiago_home: thanks
11:17.02Linexand sorry
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11:27.34edgyHi, my kde panel disappeared how can I show it again?
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11:32.39elricLhttp://tinypic.com/r/ftgh00/7.
11:32.42Frederickedgy: i think you can add a panel widget
11:33.01elricLCan anyone tell me why my right click menu is so ugly
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11:35.21icewind_elricL: chrome uses your gtk style for that
11:36.00elricLicewind_: my gtk looks awesome too.this one sucks
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11:54.02Frederickhi folks. Folks I have kde Platform Version 4.6.00 (4.6.0) . By some reason the trashcan is notworking. I added a link to trash:/ it displays the right icon but if I do click there nothing seems to be being stored there waiting for permanent removal. I wonder where are my files going and how do I fix it. Good news, files are not disappearingthey ce back when I start a new session as my user in kde so maybe thisis a broken symlink or somehing like
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11:54.42cb400fwhat trashcan? the widget?
11:55.05cb400fcan you click trash in dolphin places panel?
11:55.35cb400fyour files should be in ~/.local/share/Trash/
11:55.35Frederickcb400f: exactly but if I delete something it is not stored there
11:56.01Frederickcb400f: when I start aother kde session all the deleted files are back
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11:56.53cb400fweird.. maybe you have much bigger problems then.. like filesystem screwage
11:57.06Frederickcb400f: I justdeleted a file and ~/.local/share/Trash/files/ lists nothing
11:57.20Frederickcb400f: how can I test for it?
11:57.49cb400fdunno.. what distro.. what filesystem is used
11:57.59Frederickarch linux ext4
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12:10.11Frederickcb400f: ideas?
12:10.45cb400fnot really.. maybe running some fsck and badblock and backing up your important data might be a good idea :-)
12:10.51cb400fbadblocks
12:11.24cb400fmaybe completely screwed up permissions could also explain it
12:11.36cb400fhave you tried if it workz for a new user?
12:11.55Frederickoki lemme make a test
12:12.48edgyFrederick: I added one now and it's on the top, how can i bring to the buttom?
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13:16.07yecril71plinfo:/dir should provide a ToC
13:16.34h31Hi all. I enabled Strigi in a System Settings, but both Dolphin and KRunner aren't able to use it.
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13:17.19yecril71plThe section "GNU C library functions and macros" is so long that it cannot be practically scrolled
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13:40.31Frederickfolks my trashbin does not work
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13:40.46FrederickI have no idea about what to do. Ive fscked the disk no problems found
13:41.07james147Frederick: any error?
13:41.47Frederickjames147: no error the files just arent moved
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13:42.27Frederickjames147: im using arch linux if the info does help somehow
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13:43.55james147Frederick: you could try renameing ~/.local/share/Trash or/and ~/.kde4/share/config/[k]trashrc
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13:46.23Frederickhow?
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13:47.53h31Hi all. I enabled Strigi in a System Settings, but both Dolphin and KRunner aren't able to use it.
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13:50.59Frederickjames147: renaming for what in fact?
13:51.10Frederickjames147: cause I do have those folders
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13:55.37messertingHi, I've got nepomuk activated (and working!), but how do I search for more than one term in krunner?
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13:56.22james147Frederick: renaming/moving them should cause them to be recreated again getting rid of any problems that might have occured (if there is a problem with them)
13:57.04james147Frederick: it dosent matter to what or where, i normally add ".bak" to the end so i know they are backup files
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13:58.55admiral0hi
13:59.11messertingWhat I mean is: How do I search for documents containing both "this" and "that". Typing krunner "this that" clearly doesn't give me what I want.
13:59.13admiral0i'd like to do something for gsoc for kde
13:59.25admiral0where are the proposals?
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14:01.19messertingadmiral0: I don't know, but I hope there is something on syncing calendars with akonadi/kontact and my cellphone... :)
14:01.41admiral0that sounds interesting
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14:04.15Frederickjames147: like mv ~/.local/share/Trash Trash2 and recreate it?
14:05.34james147Frederick: you dont need to recreate it, it should be created when it is needed (or possibly when you log in)
14:06.14Frederickoki
14:07.32Frederickjames147: I dont have this file alreadu
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14:08.28Frederickjames147: I dont have neither of the folders
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14:09.06james147Frederick: it should recreate the folder when it is needed, or when you log back in
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14:11.15Frederickoki
14:11.20FrederickI will log off and reboot
14:11.25Frederickto besure things disappear oki/
14:11.27Frederick?
14:12.04Frederickbrb
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14:14.47Frederickjames147: no change =/
14:15.20james147then he suggests creating a new user... to see if it is an actual config problem, or something else
14:15.36Frederickoki
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14:33.12messertingI found that the search toolbar in Dolphin does what I want: finds all files with the search words I type (ie. consider AND between them)
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14:50.21aheli've mv .kde4 folder startin using a snapshot version, but now, after re-mv that folder, every event on korganizer is gone.
14:50.32ahelHow can I restore them?
14:50.47aheli can see that there are 2 Personal Calendar
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15:03.03yecril71plDoes kioslave/info consider $INFOPATH?
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15:04.41CuteAliensame as yesterday - I'm still looking for hints to get KDE 4.4.5 (debian squeeze) to work faster with proprietary nvidia driver. Just in case today someone has more hints.
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15:05.21thiago_homeyecril71pl: probably not
15:06.30yecril71pl1. How do I make sure?
15:06.31CuteAlienThe problem is window-refresh after resizing. It's slow and it often shows the background through the Window while resizing.
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15:06.51yecril71pl2. Is there a way to achieve the same?
15:06.57thiago_homeyecril71pl: set the variable before you log in and then check if it makes any effect
15:07.00thiago_home2. no clue
15:07.10thiago_homeinfo isn't very widely used since the web was invented
15:07.56yecril71plSo why are info materials still distributed, given that texinfo can make html?
15:08.19dodayecril71pl: depends on the distro
15:08.25CuteAlienfor the oldtimers ^_^
15:08.25thiago_homebecause some programs install them
15:08.29dodathe gnu folks still use them
15:08.40thiago_homeGNU tools are the ones that still use them
15:08.43thiago_homeeveryone else has webpages
15:09.00yecril71plGNU tools have HTML documentation too.
15:09.19yecril71plWhy distribute the info version?
15:09.46yecril71plViewing HTML would be so much easier.
15:09.47ompaulbecause people like me expect info pages even if they are debian none free
15:10.03CuteAlienfor people using emacs I guess
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15:10.09ompaul>:)
15:10.17yecril71plis talking about distributed docs, not the ones provided over HTTP
15:10.38thiago_homemost people I know don't read texinfo manuals
15:10.53thiago_homethe only one I sometimes look at is gcc's
15:10.59ompaulyecril71pl: if you want the whole free software world to do the same thing you will have to move a universe a mountain is not enough
15:11.07yecril71plTexinfo is the source form.
15:11.37yecril71plwants to read GNU texinfo as HTML in KHelpCenter, is it doable?
15:11.54yecril71pldoes not use Emacs
15:12.40ompaulhttp://www.gnu.org/software/texinfo/ mentions texi2html maybe that helps you
15:12.53thiago_homeyecril71pl: yes, the system texinfo should be readable
15:13.21yecril71plHow do I make KHelpCenter aware of HTML info?
15:13.43thiago_homeyecril71pl: it's already aware
15:13.47thiago_homeyecril71pl: type info:/
15:14.00yecril71plThat is not HTML info.
15:14.13yecril71plThat is info info converted to HTML by means of kioslave.
15:14.14thiago_homethat's texinfo
15:14.20thiago_homewhat else would it be?
15:14.36yecril71plTexinfo -> HTML -> KHelpCenter, please.
15:14.44thiago_homethat's what it does
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15:14.51thiago_homeit takes texinfo, converts to HTML, then shows to you
15:15.12yecril71plNo, it takes info -> HTML, not texinfo -> HTML.
15:15.28yecril71plAnd add a signature "by info2html".
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15:15.37thiago_homewhere do you find texinfo then?
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15:15.42thiago_homeisn't getting anything here
15:15.55yecril71plTexinfo is only in the sources.
15:16.14yecril71plThe packages distribute and install info obtained from texinfo.
15:16.30yecril71plAnd then KDE converts info to HTML.
15:16.38yecril71plWhat if the package makes HTML instead of info?
15:16.55yecril71plIt is possible and supported, only that nobody does that by default :-(
15:16.56thiago_homethen you use the web browser
15:17.16yecril71plwould like to plug it into KHelpCenter
15:17.49thiago_homeKDE documentation is HTML saved somewhere specific
15:17.54thiago_homeso there is a way
15:17.57thiago_homeI just have no clue how
15:18.22yecril71plwould have it in the navigation, instead of info info as it is now.
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15:19.37yecril71plSo that much for the claim that info is outdated.
15:20.12yecril71plGiven the present situation, what is needed is a way for kioslave/info to recognise additional directories.
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15:23.03ompaulyecril71pl: just a passing thought, should you be talking directly to the docs team rather than an irc support channel, which can only do whatever the people in it do.
15:23.37yecril71plthought the docs team is responsible for the content only
15:24.02yecril71plwanted to discuss the mechanism
15:24.31yecril71plkonqueror does not understand --nofork
15:25.01pinotreekonqueror is not a unique instance application, so there's nothing to "not fork"
15:25.45thiago_homeyecril71pl: you said you have HTML, not info
15:25.52yecril71plOK, so it will will inherit environment variables?
15:25.59pinotreeyes
15:26.57yecril71plwas discussing the consequences of thiago_home ’s hypothesis that info is a thing of the past
15:27.19yecril71plhas info, because that is what arrives with the distro
15:27.44thiago_homeyes
15:27.52thiago_homemost distros install info because it comes with GNU tools
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15:28.15yecril71plthiago_home: define "comes".
15:28.16thiago_homeand you're going to find info on GNU tools on info
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15:28.31yecril71plWhat comes is texinfo, and info is build from it.
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15:28.33dodayecril71pl: info is part of the gnu projects
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15:28.52dodaall else use man
15:29.06yecril71pldoes not want to use info. Info is a console thing.
15:29.17thiago_homeright
15:29.23yecril71plwants to read info in KHelpCenter on in Konqueror
15:29.29thiago_homebut the point is that the information found in info is very restricted
15:29.34thiago_homenot many apps install info there
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15:30.08doda:D
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15:30.28yecril71plStill info is a good point to start.
15:30.33dodayecril71pl: you have something in konqueror ?
15:30.44dodawith info:// kio slave ?
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15:31.00yecril71plset INFOPATH but it is not considered.
15:31.11thiago_homeyecril71pl: what isn't considering it?
15:31.31dodayecril71pl: how you mean?
15:31.37yecril71plkioslave/info ignores $INFOPATH
15:31.46thiago_homehow did you set INFOPATH for the ioslave?
15:32.08thiago_homeyou have to set it before logging in to KDE
15:32.13thiago_homeotherwise it doesn't take effect
15:32.45yecril71plINFOPATH=/var/tmp/build-root/usr/share/info/ kioclient cat info:/libtool
15:33.12thiago_homethat doesn't set it for kio_info
15:33.17thiago_homekio_info is launched from kdeinit
15:33.35yecril71plwill try with another session then
15:35.07annmadidn't you issue a bug report about this?
15:35.19annmaIdid not read the beginning so I am not sure
15:35.22dodayecril71pl: building and running make install is unwise
15:36.08yecril71pltries not to issue bug reports about things /ME does not understand
15:36.13thiago_homemust be very unwise then
15:36.22annmaah OK
15:36.27yecril71plThat is why /ME ’s bug reports are so trivial
15:36.30dodaannma: a while ago i complained that kde is slow on my 64-bit system, reverted to 32 bit and now it works great
15:36.42annmadoda: cool!
15:36.51dodathiago_home: well i guess you don't do make install in you / dir :D
15:37.08annmaalthough 64bits should work and do work
15:37.30dodaannma: yep, i only had some bogus problem with kded & knotify running 100% of my cpu
15:37.44yecril71plbuilding and running make install is a standard procedure for preparing openSuSE RPM.
15:37.44pinotreelooks like kio_info may support INFOPATH, http://lxr.kde.org/search?filestring=&string=INFOPATH
15:37.47dodaannma: yep, but too slow on a system with 1gb rum
15:37.48annmahmmm did you report to your distro
15:38.21yecril71plcannot report something /ME does not know whether it works or not
15:38.31dodaannma: no, googled a lot and couldn't find nothing for surre, and now i can't reproduce it
15:38.45yecril71plmeans, perhaps there is a way to do this
15:38.59annmayecril71pl: not sure if you are talking about this but I paste the url in case https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=266662
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15:39.55yecril71pl26662 is mine, sure
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15:40.26annmaah
15:40.29yecril71plBut it is a different problem with an easy workaround.
15:40.29annma:)
15:40.34annmaOK
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15:41.24annmaand 26664 as well is yours then
15:41.32yecril71plYep.
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15:42.02annmanot sure if they are doc bugs as such
15:42.20yecril71plIf you say Bug 26664, we shall get a nice summary
15:42.42yecril71plBug 26664
15:42.54yecril71plOh, bugbot is on vacation.  Never mind.
15:43.48pinotreenever been a bugbot here
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15:46.03CuteAlienDamn, this is so sad. I managed to configure KDE 4 really nice, but I found no solution for the performance trouble. And as Debian means next KDE (4.6 is said to be way faster...) is probably only available in 2 years I'm fucked and will probably have to give up (trying more than 2 days already).
15:46.51elricLCuteAlien:  KDE 4.6 is available
15:47.00annmawhat performance trouble, what kde version
15:47.02elricLget it from backports
15:47.02CuteAlienelricL, debian
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15:47.27elricLCuteAlien: Oh,didnt see that
15:47.30elricLmy bad
15:47.31CuteAlienresizing trouble. It takes ages to build up screens again after resizing. You see the background shining through in that time.
15:47.33ompaulCuteAlien: you can check this and it won't be two years by my guess http://qt-kde.debian.net/
15:47.33lithprCute, installing 4.6 on Ubuntu 10.10 is also very easy
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15:48.13annmaCuteAlien: are effects enabled?
15:48.29CuteAlienannma, it barely makes a difference if I use composition or not.
15:48.47CuteAlienit's minimal slower, but obviously not the big problem.
15:50.15CuteAlienI tried a lot of hints from the web already. Using oxygen with animations disabled. Disabling nepomuk. Disabling effects. Several settings like XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 and something with pixmaps, etc
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15:50.58annmaCuteAlien: what specs are your computer?
15:51.07annmavideo card, RAM, CPU?
15:51.15CuteAlienThe strange thing is - it doesn't even make technical sense to me the way it loks. It seems like the lower border of the window is jumping around crazy when I resize the upper border.
15:51.40CuteAlienOld - geforce 6200 and athlon 2600+
15:51.52dodaram?
15:51.57CuteAlien1,5 gb
15:52.19dodatry with plastique theme
15:52.23annmafirst version of KDE 4 on this machine?
15:52.32CuteAliendoda, tried already :-(
15:52.47CuteAlienanma, yes - I updated thursday night.
15:52.54CuteAlienbefore it was KDE 3.5
15:53.19annmamaybe try a liveCD of another distribution
15:53.32CuteAlienWell, I did try Kubunuto 10.10 liveCD before. I thought there it's slow because it's on CD :-(
15:53.40CuteAlienIt's the first installed.
15:53.49dodaCuteAlien: debian squeeze right?
15:53.52CuteAlienyes
15:54.35CuteAlienI tried last few hours getting some application compiling with profile info to get at least some hint, but failed there as well *sigh*
15:55.01dodaCuteAlien: what does ksysguiard ?
15:55.13doda*ksysguard say
15:55.14CuteAliendoda, sorry, I don't know about that.
15:55.23dodathe system monitor :)
15:55.29dodatry htop
15:55.32dodaor whatever
15:55.34CuteAlienah ok, I used htop always :-)
15:55.40dodamy problem was
15:55.55dodaknotify and kded used 100%
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15:57.33CuteAlienYeah, I had found one such slowdown yesterday (printer-driver had installed something strange), but only brought a small speedup
15:58.01dodathe see what is eating your cpu :)
15:58.37CuteAlienon resizing X goes up to >60%
15:58.47dodayou can try to use openbox too, if its a kwin problem, report a bug and wait :)
15:59.22dodaCuteAlien: what kind of gpu drivers you have?
15:59.44CuteAlienproprietary NVIDIA-Linux-x86-260.19.21
16:00.01CuteAlienAnd I fear I have to continue using that one (I live from 3D coding)
16:00.53dodamake surre you have the latest driver
16:01.07CuteAlienyeah, it's the latest.
16:01.24dodathen try to use a different wm
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16:01.34dodalocalise the problem :)
16:01.38CuteAlien*sigh* I don't wanna ...
16:01.40CuteAlienlol
16:02.00peremenI just changed from Debian with KDE to Kubuntu 10.10
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16:02.04dodathen a different wm :D
16:02.08CuteAlienBut yeah, I suppose I have to try that.
16:02.09peremenand i'm also suffering from frequent lockups
16:02.26peremeni also using NVIDIA proprietary drivers too
16:02.33dodaperemen: see htop
16:02.36dodafirst :
16:02.36CuteAlienAlthough I would prefer figuring out what's causing it.
16:02.44dodaCuteAlien: welll
16:02.49dodayou run
16:02.54dodaopenbox
16:03.08peremendoda: causes were usually Xorg
16:03.10dodaand if everything works, that kwin is causing it
16:03.16dodaand start from there
16:04.21CuteAlienok, thx. I try what openbox does.
16:04.22CuteAliencu
16:04.50peremeni should reconsider going back to debian
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16:07.55PuffTheMagiccan someone help me with knetworkmanagement
16:08.08PuffTheMagicthe plasmoid does not how the vpn connection i've added
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16:11.36CuteAlienhm, no idea what openbox _is_, but it is way faster :-)
16:14.34RajitCuteAlien: its a window manager
16:15.02Rajitlike enlightenment
16:15.15Rajitor kwin for that matter
16:15.41Rajityou can either combine it with a desktop environment (kde, gnome) of your choice
16:15.43CuteAlienok, just confused because except window-borders it looks rather similar to KDE
16:15.46Rajitor use it as a stand alone
16:15.55CuteAlienicons on same place etc
16:16.01Rajitare u using it with kde?
16:16.10CuteAlienyes, I think so
16:16.20Rajitok tell me, what distro are u using
16:16.28Rajitand how did u install openbox?
16:16.45CuteAliendebian squeeze. apt-get install openbox (just got the hint here a few minutes ago)
16:17.05Rajitand were u using simple kde before that?
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16:17.15CuteAlienyes
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16:17.59Rajitits like this: the window manager is reponsible for handling all your windows and moving them around and doing stuff like minimizing, maximizing
16:18.21Rajitin kde, these thigs are handled by kwin by default
16:18.33Rajitwhich might be heavy for some old systems
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16:18.43CuteAlienYeah. I'm just surprised because I thought icon placement is WM-specifi.
16:19.02Rajitso, alternatively you can use openbox instead of kwin and let that perform all the functions
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16:19.24CuteAlienah - I see - it changed a few options but seems to share most of it with KDE.
16:19.25Rajitand window borders are drawn up by the window manager
16:19.55Rajitso thats why window borders look different while the rest is still like kde
16:20.12CuteAlienOk, so I got KDE with a fast Windowmanager now. Sounds good to me :-)
16:20.17Rajityes
16:20.23Rajit:)
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16:20.48Rajitopen box was designed with older systems in mind
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16:21.09Rajitso its generally faster than metacity (gnome's window manager) and kwin
16:21.33Rajithope that info helps
16:21.36CuteAlienYeah, behaves completely different. No more jumping around of the lower border when I resize the upper border of a window.
16:22.10CuteAlienWay faster refresh. Thanks.
16:22.45lithprso if you install openbox, is that something that you can install along side and choose which to use?
16:22.53lithprlike with KDM?
16:23.12CuteAlienyes, you can select on login which session-type to use.
16:23.19CuteAlienwith kdm
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16:24.13annmaI thought it was in systemsettings that you changed the window manager
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16:25.09CuteAlienMaybe it's somewhere in system settings as well, don't know. But I can select in Loginscreen.
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16:28.15lithprhmm, that is cool.- but the applications say open between activities
16:28.32CuteAlienhm, refresh is still a little slow. But it all seems much smoother now because it no longer does jump around so much with the borders.
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16:29.47lithpralso you loose a lot of the fun customization that kwin gives you.  but it is nice.
16:30.06CuteAlienyeah, I notice - it ignores a lot of options.
16:30.20CuteAlienBut that doesn't really matter to me.
16:30.23lithprnow i know for sure how powerful kwin is :)
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16:32.08lithprthis is very snappy
16:32.25CuteAlienIt's all faster, but I still see the same effect somewhat. When I move the upper border of a window fast, then it first moves up everything, then redraws. So you see buttons on lower half moving up for 1 frame. I really wonder what KDE is doing there.
16:32.31dodaCuteAlien: it works fine with openbox?
16:32.46CuteAliendoda, yes thanks. It works a lot better now.
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16:33.31dodaso kwin :)
16:33.53CuteAlienPartly - I think it increases some strange stuff going on there.
16:34.22CuteAlienBut it works good enough, so I'm very happy. I already feared I had to switch to something else completely.
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16:34.56dodawell kde has a large codebase
16:35.04dodaalso kwin has a lot of new stuff
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16:35.34CuteAlienyeah
16:35.59CuteAlienI wish debian would make an exception for certain famous applications and allow them to update more often.
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16:36.12CuteAlienSo I wouldn't have to wait 2 years for next version.
16:36.29CuteAlien(but certainly I like their policy usually, that's why I use it)
16:37.00CuteAlienBut I hope maybe backports are made soon for newer KDE's.
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16:38.55lithprits a 3-liner to convert kubuntu 10.10 to KDE 4.6
16:39.14lithprbut i know, it's ubuntu.  plague of civilization or something :)
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16:40.34ccddwhen you will port kde4.6 on freebsd
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17:48.58mm28this happens everytime i let kde suspend my display it doesnt happen with fluxbox
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17:59.37bugzylittlemm28: I have the same problem with kde but I usually just use the brightness buttons to turn the backlight back on
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18:02.34oalWhat is the best linux distro with kde4.6 by default?
18:02.43oalKubuntu seems to be 4.4 or something
18:03.02icewind_most distro's whip 4.5.x I think
18:03.07icewind_on default
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18:03.57mm28bugzylittle, as my brightness up for some reason doesnt work i get the same effect when i unplug ac and plug back in
18:03.58oalicewind_: ok. I've had enough of gnome for a while... Time for a switch back to kde again
18:04.13mm28however that isnt doing it
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19:08.13sri13Hi , I want to develop code for owncloud , where shall I start ?
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19:08.53icewind_sri13: ask me that in #owncloud
19:09.11sri13icewind_: Thanks
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19:10.06annmais owncloud having a future?
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19:16.29annmaI am under the impression that there are other clouds free solutions
19:16.55icewind_cloud free or free cloud?
19:17.04annmafree clouds
19:17.13annmaor free solutions
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19:17.48annmacloud free would mean without cloud, interesting
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19:18.59icewind_well for most things that owncloud can do are already free solutions available, but they often miss integration or ease of use/install
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19:19.31annmaisn't Suse using one?
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19:19.46annmaI read something but I don't remember quite well
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19:20.30icewind_closest thing from suse I can think of is their buldservices
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20:03.41eLvishello
20:04.01ZombieAPTX Detective Conan fan?
20:04.20eLvisI have some question about kde speed
20:04.26eLvisI mean, kde fluidity
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20:08.44APTXZombie: I've seen some
20:09.12ZombieAha.
20:09.15ZombieWell.
20:09.21APTXthough it's coincidence
20:09.36ZombiePlease support the configuration of KDE with an LDAP Backend.
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20:19.46zakdoes anyone know where basket(the note pad program) saves all of your notes at?
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20:20.22chetnickiec958 output is missing in Kmix. I can't get sound until I unmute it, but it's not there =/ Any ideas?
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20:56.33yecril71plSetting proxy in Konqueror preferences is void.
20:56.57yecril71plWhen I reopen the configuration window, the proxy is unchanged.
21:00.15yecril71plBug 258196
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21:18.54Moultanybody who uses multiple languages within KDE can you please check whether or not this brainstorm idea makes sense? http://forum.kde.org/brainstorm.php#idea91154_page1 ping me back please :)
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21:22.51yecril71plMoreover, KGet does not have a Proxy component in Configuration
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21:41.10walter_hello
21:41.54walter_can someone tell me how to set up a printer on fedora 14
21:42.12ozzzyusb?
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21:48.36joerg__hello
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21:55.00google01103is knode death? best to ask on  kontact irc or kde-pim mailing list  http://www.kde.org/applications/internet/knode/
21:55.21google01103joerg__: please turn off the automatic status messages
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22:00.42joerg__ah. ok... i will try there. thanks
22:05.08joerg__there is another question i have. I really like konqueror for browsing but it seems that it has still some problems with popup windows and printing.
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22:06.18joerg__if i try to print from amazon, it doesn't want. I tried to switch between webkit and khtml but that did not solve it either. Any workarounds?
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22:47.39DunedanIs an dbus-guru currently here? I'm searching for the possibility to start skanlite from within a shell script (triggered by scanbuttond) and let it scan an image from my scanner. I suppose dbus would be the right way, but I have no clue how.
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22:49.21thiago_homewhat's scanbuttond?
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22:49.55chetnickI've have newly installed system (using old working kernel), but I'm having problems with sound and digital output. I have no IEC958 channel KMix. I need to unmute this channel in order to get a sound. Any ideas why is that?
22:50.17Dunedanthiago_home: http://scanbuttond.sourceforge.net/
22:50.39thiago_homeDunedan: ok. Does it provide you with a D-Bus signal to act on?
22:50.54Dunedannope, but I can execute a shell script whenever a button is pressed
22:51.07thiago_homethen write a script that does what you want to do
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22:51.46Dunedanwell, that's what I want to do, but I have no clue how to trigger dbus to start an application
22:52.04thiago_homewhy do you want to do that?
22:52.10thiago_homeyou have a script, run the application
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22:52.39dMaggotanybody here familiarized with power management features?
22:52.59dMaggotlike, does anybody know what changes happen when I remove the battery charger from my laptop?
22:53.16dMaggotor what piece of KDE deals with that? is it solid?
22:54.13thiago_homedMaggot: something in the system (hal or upower) reacts to the kernel notifying of the ACPI event
22:54.18thiago_homethe info is posted on the system bus
22:54.29thiago_homea KDE application reacts to that via the Solid library
22:55.29dMaggotthiago_home: and then my WPA connection drops :)
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22:55.42thiago_homedMaggot: what does WPA have to do with power?
22:56.22dMaggotthiago_home: well... I was hoping someone here would know :P but I have this very funny bug where EAPOL group rekeying stops working if I remove the battery charger
22:56.48dMaggotthiago_home: not sure whose fault is that, so I'll start looking around networkmanager and solid
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23:03.13dMaggotbtw, why are the folder links in this page giving 404? http://ur1.ca/3ai8p
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23:31.37JackWinteri've noticed that i'm getting lots of these msgs when running kde apps from the command line: kwrite(22814)/kdeui (kdelibs) KXMLGUIClient::~KXMLGUIClient: 0x1267690 deleted without having been removed from the factory first. This will leak standalone popupmenus and could lead to crashes.
23:32.05JackWintersomething worth worrying about, kde 4.6.0
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