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| 00:28.48 | gigasoft | my kde frezes randomly |
| 00:28.58 | gigasoft | is there any help? |
| 00:29.10 | HandyGandy | Since ksysv has been moved to unmaintained, where can I find it's source? |
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| 00:43.11 | tkennedy | anyone done any krunner coding before? |
| 00:43.15 | bill_ | When I minimize an application on the desktop, it does not show up on the taskbar. I can see it with ALT-TAB. How can I make it show on the taskbar? |
| 00:43.54 | icarus-c | eh.. how do you delete a Desktop theme (plasma theme) |
| 00:44.38 | icarus-c | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:57.21 | Sho_ | icarus-c: if it's a theme you installed via get new themes it should have an uninstall button in that dialog |
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| 01:00.10 | icarus-c | Sho_: ahhh that's tricky |
| 01:00.55 | gigasoft | my kde frezes randomly, HELP!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:01.54 | Sho_ | gigasoft: very likely a driver or hardware issue |
| 01:02.30 | Sho_ | in case it's the graphics driver it might help to disable desktop effects |
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| 01:03.02 | gigasoft | Sho_, i want it with this cool edsktop effectc |
| 01:03.03 | gigasoft | .. |
| 01:04.42 | Sho_ | yes, but if you disable them and the freezing stops, then you know it's the driver, and then you can walk into your distro channel and inquire about alternative drivers for your graphics hardware - repositories with newer versions for you to try, different drivers you might try, etc. |
| 01:05.01 | Sho_ | to solve a problem you first need to identify the cause |
| 01:06.07 | gigasoft | oki |
| 01:06.13 | gigasoft | Sho_, thanks |
| 01:06.36 | Sho_ | np |
| 01:07.02 | gigasoft | :) |
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| 01:14.26 | Moult | is there a place i can somehow show the activity i'm currently on? i just want a simple string not the activity chooser widget |
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| 01:18.36 | Sho_ | Moult: I think if you drag the desktop toolbox out of the corner along one of the edges, it morphs into a rectangle showing the name string |
| 01:19.40 | Moult | Sho_: my cashew is currently in the corner, but it isn't possible to put it in the panel |
| 01:20.30 | Moult | you know i haven't once touched the cashew, i hardly notice it since it's on the desktop and i'm normally doing something, but i'm now agreeing with others when they say it's useless |
| 01:20.33 | Sho_ | that's true, so if you use maximized windows dragging it out of the corner won't help you much, yeah |
| 01:20.59 | Sho_ | actually having had to use a device without the possibility to right-click lately, the toolbox has saved my ass :) |
| 01:21.13 | Moult | hah ok |
| 01:21.18 | Sho_ | because it is the one way you can gain access to things like lock/unlock with only basic left click/touch |
| 01:21.21 | Moult | but i never actually use the kickoff menu either :) |
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| 01:38.11 | panzi | what are the usage terms of the kde icons? I want to use some on my website. |
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| 01:46.35 | leo_rockway | when I start a session (ie, turn on my computer) I can't see any app I open, unless I right click on the smoothtasks bar and click on "keep above others" |
| 01:46.52 | leo_rockway | how could I make the plasma desktop to stay at the bottom instead? |
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| 01:50.09 | leo_rockway | the only way I've managed to make things go back to normal is through creating a new activity |
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| 02:09.16 | Sho_ | panzi: LGPL |
| 02:10.12 | panzi | Sho_: so its attribution, which is cumbersome (I know, I'm lazy). I found my some public domain icons instead |
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| 02:10.41 | Sho_ | actually the GPL forbids attribution clauses, iirc |
| 02:11.34 | panzi | maybe I missunderstood something but I though when I use (L)GPL stuff I have to attribute the original project? |
| 02:12.18 | panzi | and the website is closed source anyway. which would be ok for LGPL |
| 02:14.59 | Sho_ | panzi: afaik in practice with icons LGPL just means that if you modify it you need to release your modified icon under LGPL as well, including the source if you do the modification on the SVG level |
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| 02:16.12 | Sho_ | afaik GPL doesn't require attribution, and in fact requiring attribution is viewed as an "additional restriction" by the GPL, which it doesn't allow |
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| 02:24.04 | panzi | okaaaay. very odd coincidence. I use the the wikipedia api to find images on wikipedia and when I search vor Dagobah I find several times the icon I just downloaded (the public domain icon). actually a slight variation of the icon (different shadow and well, not svg) |
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| 02:30.08 | johnny69 | Is there any way to stop kactivitymanager thingy from starting? I have to kill it off manually every time I start the machine. (kde 4.6/suse 11.2) Thank you. |
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| 03:07.43 | jasonsmr | hello channel |
| 03:08.10 | jasonsmr | I was installing kde4 from my distros repo. Im using openSUSE_Factory |
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| 03:09.04 | jasonsmr | Im login in automaticaly to kde4 and durring the start up process everything looks fine whie loading KDE, however then the screen Flickers* then everything goes into a mirror image! |
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| 03:09.33 | jasonsmr | The KDE session continues to load everything, however everything is a mirror of itself, |
| 03:09.52 | jasonsmr | Im using a 64bit version of openSUSE_Factory |
| 03:10.22 | jasonsmr | kdm-4.6.0-6.1.x86_64 is installed |
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| 03:14.51 | jasonsmr | I am currently using KDE 4.5 Base |
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| 05:12.01 | diegoviola | hi |
| 05:12.22 | diegoviola | where can i get this network applet: http://www.guapacho.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/kde4.jpg |
| 05:12.50 | diegoviola | the two computers flashing on/off |
| 05:13.23 | diegoviola | that was in kde 4.0 i think |
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| 06:03.23 | farhad_hf | Hi, knetworkmanager does not save vpn passwords, I've tried removing kwallet and knetworkmanager config files from ~/.kde4 but it didn't work.... what should I do? |
| 06:06.36 | farhad_hf | it actually saves the password in wallet, but it doesn't use it! I configure the vpn(pptp) connection and enter the password there, but if I click on ok in configuration dialog and open it again, password filed is empty. but the password is saved and I can see it in wallet manager. |
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| 06:08.06 | farhad_hf | I've tried it on KDE 4.6 and KDE master on gentoo |
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| 07:48.28 | jasonsmr | hello channel I was looking fro a solution to a problem I have with a kde4.5 install with kdm-4.6 |
| 07:48.42 | jasonsmr | I am using openSUSE 11.4RC1 |
| 07:49.19 | jasonsmr | and There is a issue with a desktop being mirrored or rather my display is backward or mirrored, ? |
| 07:49.44 | jasonsmr | Im using the nouveau display drivers and I have a geforce 250 |
| 07:49.53 | jasonsmr | are the nouveau entirly supported? |
| 07:52.26 | cb400f | of course it's supported.. it's the default driver... that doesn't mean it's not buggy |
| 07:52.46 | cb400f | ... but if you downgraded kde on 11.4rc1 to 4.5 you deserve any problem you get |
| 07:52.56 | cb400f | even more so if you didn't downgrade kdm |
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| 07:54.25 | cb400f | oh.. thought I was in #suse |
| 07:54.48 | cb400f | it's not the job of kde to support gfx drivers.. it's the other way around |
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| 08:03.26 | jasonsmr | downgrded? |
| 08:04.10 | cb400f | 11.4rc1 should have kde sc 4.6.0 |
| 08:04.10 | jasonsmr | I dont belive I did this, however Maybe Ill check your advice and make sure its not downgraded. It should be from the latest* |
| 08:04.20 | jasonsmr | allright ty sir |
| 08:04.33 | jasonsmr | that really narrows the issue |
| 08:04.52 | jasonsmr | practically speaking ^^ |
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| 09:20.19 | farhad_hf | Hi! |
| 09:20.41 | emilsedgh | hi farhad_hf :) |
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| 09:21.22 | _5tk | hi farhad_hf |
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| 09:21.45 | farhad_hf | I have a problem with compiling kde-qt , http://paste.kde.org/4512 , I've used the configuration variables as suggested in the README.kde-qt |
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| 09:33.03 | Caster | so will KDE now fork own Qt? |
| 09:33.26 | annma | no no |
| 09:33.41 | annma | don't be silly; Qt is still free, isn't it? |
| 09:34.19 | Caster | sure but if nokia won't develop it anymore, someone else has to |
| 09:34.26 | annma | why won't it? |
| 09:34.42 | annma | did you read that as such? |
| 09:35.00 | Caster | because "Microsoft development tools will be used to create applications to run on Nokia Windows Phones, allowing developers to easily leverage the ecosystemâs global reach. " |
| 09:35.10 | Caster | I don't see Qt fit in |
| 09:35.11 | annma | Nokia is not reduced to Qt, it's now because they'll ship Windows phones that Qt is out |
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| 09:35.28 | annma | read everything and about Meego |
| 09:35.32 | Caster | what reason would it have to develop it further |
| 09:35.45 | annma | Qt was not an OS opn Nokia phones, was it? |
| 09:35.48 | Caster | they didn't say anything about meego, will it continue? |
| 09:36.02 | annma | yes |
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| 09:36.47 | annma | they'll have a Smart Devices section |
| 09:38.57 | annma | and in any case Qt is free and will always be, no need for KDE to "fork" it at this point |
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| 09:40.22 | emilsedgh | wow, see how rumors and crap comes fast? 'kde forks qt' came in only a few hours |
| 09:41.22 | Caster | emilsedgh: as in a news or not just question ? |
| 09:41.42 | emilsedgh | thats how rumors start, probably :p |
| 09:42.20 | Caster | :) |
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| 09:46.08 | annma | questions are good if people know what they talk about |
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| 09:47.10 | bzhb | It is just anticipation,I can seethe the day MS will make an OPA on Nokia |
| 09:47.46 | annma | really? |
| 09:47.50 | annma | you're good |
| 09:48.10 | annma | even so, what does it have to do with KDE? |
| 09:48.28 | bzhb | Qt belongs to Nokia |
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| 09:48.57 | bzhb | this is the logical following of today's announcement |
| 09:48.58 | annma | belongs |
| 09:49.06 | annma | define "belongs" |
| 09:49.33 | annma | all companies shipping M£ producsare bought by M$? |
| 09:50.31 | bzhb | yes I know its GPL/LGPL but they still own the copyright, the trademark and makes most of the contribution |
| 09:51.07 | icarus-c | is going to acquire Qt from Nokia |
| 09:51.21 | icarus-c | by pointing a gun at their CEO maybe |
| 09:51.27 | annma | anyway if you know well enough the case to make assertions bzhb |
| 09:51.49 | bzhb | it is more than shipping MS product, it is a strategic alliance |
| 09:52.05 | annma | not sure |
| 09:52.16 | bzhb | building the "third ecosystem" (for mobile) |
| 09:52.18 | annma | the future will say if it's as strategic as it looks |
| 09:52.30 | bzhb | http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/02/11/welcome-to-the-third-ecosystem/ |
| 09:52.34 | annma | anyway Meego and Qt are not abandoned |
| 09:52.55 | annma | so there's nothing changed for Qt today and none for KDE as well |
| 09:53.02 | bzhb | yes |
| 09:53.08 | Caster | some time ago some nokia exec said that adopting android would be like peeing in your pants to get warm, now what is adopting WP7? |
| 09:53.27 | annma | maybe you should go to a nokia channel |
| 09:53.40 | annma | here it's KDE and KDE is as alive as it was yesterday |
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| 09:53.42 | bzhb | but the expectation for MeeGo just drop into tha abyss |
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| 09:54.16 | annma | Nokia is 5 years late as was Trolltech when they own Qt |
| 09:54.33 | annma | Trolltech never capitalized on their phone market |
| 09:54.45 | bzhb | an another N900 and that's all |
| 09:54.53 | annma | a what? |
| 09:55.24 | bzhb | N900 is the maemo smartphone from nokia |
| 09:55.25 | annma | anyway Qt is moving ahead whatever the company |
| 09:55.52 | bzhb | and then Nokia discarded maemo for meego |
| 09:56.11 | Caster | it might be more though without a sponsor, that's it |
| 09:56.13 | annma | n900 is not exactly selling well |
| 09:56.26 | bzhb | yes this is the point |
| 09:56.35 | annma | but C3 series are |
| 09:56.51 | annma | Symbian still sells |
| 09:57.01 | bzhb | meego was supposed to become nokia smartphone platform |
| 09:57.17 | bzhb | now it is a side project |
| 09:57.18 | annma | nokia lost the smartphone market |
| 09:57.38 | annma | they'll try to regain it, normal, they want to make money |
| 09:57.51 | annma | Qt is peanut in this |
| 09:58.08 | annma | so don't attach Qt to Nokia general plan |
| 09:58.55 | bzhb | Qt was not supposed to to be peanut |
| 09:59.11 | bzhb | so this is why it is a sad news |
| 09:59.20 | annma | it was not? |
| 09:59.36 | annma | in terms of what |
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| 10:00.18 | zzillezz | nokia and microsoft where just both very desparate ... |
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| 10:00.43 | annma | whatever happens it's like on the desktop and netbook |
| 10:00.46 | bzhb | and why the question of fork of Qt, even if far far too early is now something possible in the future |
| 10:00.59 | annma | nobody cried when linux was crushed on netbooks by M£ |
| 10:01.15 | annma | nobody blogged, nobody analysed |
| 10:01.15 | bzhb | Qt was not suposed to be peanut in the former nokia plan |
| 10:01.36 | annma | you know that M$ does not want any free software anywhere |
| 10:01.43 | bzhb | it was at the core of its strategy to reconquer smartphones |
| 10:01.47 | bzhb | with meego |
| 10:01.47 | annma | as I said look at the netbook past |
| 10:02.06 | bzhb | and now it is put on the side in favor of WP7 |
| 10:02.21 | annma | it was too late for the smartphone market |
| 10:02.23 | annma | way too late |
| 10:02.37 | annma | as I said Trolltech never capitalized on it when they could have |
| 10:03.21 | annma | thenext market is to be taken, the tablet one |
| 10:03.37 | annma | and probably the next next one which we don't even know about |
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| 10:32.23 | kriko | kde 4.6 - plasma is vomiting some info about jobs [finished] file. what is this? |
| 10:32.51 | annma | where does it vomit? not on the desktop I hope, would be untidy |
| 10:33.12 | kriko | the info applet |
| 10:33.17 | kriko | and it sluggish |
| 10:33.22 | kriko | *it's |
| 10:33.24 | annma | wait |
| 10:33.33 | annma | please be informative |
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| 10:33.43 | annma | what is the info applet? |
| 10:34.11 | kriko | I don't know the exact name of it, the default applet that shows information about applications and progresses |
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| 10:34.50 | kriko | this is the 2nd time it happened, but I cannot reproduce it. Can I trace the source of this message? |
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| 10:35.19 | annma | what diestro? |
| 10:35.26 | annma | distro |
| 10:35.26 | kriko | opensuse 11.3 |
| 10:35.35 | annma | ask in their channel please |
| 10:35.40 | kriko | ok |
| 10:35.47 | annma | if this is default desktop, it's not KDE |
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| 10:36.04 | annma | KDE only shows FolderView applet as default |
| 10:36.17 | kriko | nope, the info widget it is in default setup |
| 10:36.29 | annma | in default OPENSUSE |
| 10:36.36 | annma | not in default KDE |
| 10:36.42 | annma | difference |
| 10:36.48 | _5tk | kriko: |
| 10:36.50 | kriko | wait, you are saying that default kde is trashing popups in old fashion way? |
| 10:36.55 | _5tk | would you please provide screenshot |
| 10:37.02 | ahiemstra | annma: I think he means the notifications applet |
| 10:37.03 | kriko | _5tk: yes, moment |
| 10:37.06 | annma | trashing popups???? |
| 10:37.14 | annma | ah |
| 10:37.16 | annma | wooow |
| 10:37.23 | _5tk | kriko: ok |
| 10:37.33 | annma | please provide screenshot or explain clearly |
| 10:37.45 | annma | there's no "info applet" per see |
| 10:37.54 | annma | if you see "info" what does it say |
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| 10:39.11 | kriko | http://kriko.si/plasma.jpeg - that |
| 10:39.31 | kriko | and it is going on and on |
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| 10:40.00 | _5tk | I believe it belongs to something in OpenSUSE |
| 10:40.06 | annma | wow I don't have this on self compiled kde |
| 10:40.21 | annma | kriko: ask in opensuse channel as I said |
| 10:40.33 | annma | did it appear on an update? |
| 10:40.34 | _5tk | since I'm using KDE 4.6 on other distros and don't have such thing |
| 10:40.40 | annma | tell them |
| 10:40.49 | kriko | annma: yes on update to kde 4.6.1, will ask |
| 10:40.50 | annma | _5tk: yes, me neither |
| 10:40.58 | kriko | tnx |
| 10:40.59 | _5tk | kriko: however, maybe you can check the background apps |
| 10:40.59 | annma | kriko: distro problem!!!! |
| 10:41.10 | kriko | don't yell |
| 10:41.14 | _5tk | annma: please be patient with annma :-) |
| 10:41.21 | _5tk | with kriko:-) |
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| 10:41.46 | _5tk | ps -ax , or simply the system tray |
| 10:41.47 | kriko | _5tk: the problem is - it is not very verbose and there is no... app that would be e.g. consuming cpu or some other resource |
| 10:42.09 | _5tk | yes, I agree "file" is not a verbose information |
| 10:42.45 | _5tk | I suspect that notification come from some apps |
| 10:42.47 | kriko | ok, I shut down amarok and it stopped, however plasma crashed |
| 10:43.19 | annma | kriko: if plasma crashed yo have a backtrace |
| 10:43.26 | annma | pastebin it* |
| 10:44.08 | kriko | yes, I'm working on it, moment... |
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| 10:46.07 | kriko | http://pastebin.com/fm04Gvct - backtrace |
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| 10:46.52 | annma | nowplaying applet |
| 10:47.21 | kriko | awww |
| 10:47.34 | annma | maybe it's not up-to-date |
| 10:47.41 | kriko | so neither one of those applets is not usefull |
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| 10:47.52 | kriko | it is updated, thanks for clarification |
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| 11:10.41 | RohitNair | hii |
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| 11:13.54 | Animeking | So, downsides to using noveau? |
| 11:14.13 | Animeking | the OSS nvidia driver |
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| 11:18.46 | szal | you mean wrt KDE? |
| 11:19.20 | Animeking | yes |
| 11:20.09 | kriko | they don't give the ultimate experience, at least not here on 7xxx series |
| 11:20.50 | Animeking | Well, I just know they don't officially support 3d because of how buggy it is |
| 11:21.38 | Verge | I should never have discovered dbus-monitor |
| 11:22.09 | Verge | Why the heck does Amarok and KTorrent send useless DBUS queries once per second |
| 11:22.38 | Verge | Amarok transmits the whole lyrics of the currently playing (read: paused) song among some other stuff |
| 11:23.08 | Verge | Ktorrent passes info about torrents' status although I don't have any active torrents, one is stalled |
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| 11:23.44 | Watermind | holy shit: "Nokia, Microsoft join forces in smartphone war" |
| 11:23.50 | Verge | yea |
| 11:24.03 | ahiemstra | Watermind: good morning to you too :p |
| 11:24.12 | Watermind | ahiemstra: hey hey :P |
| 11:24.27 | Watermind | morning |
| 11:25.09 | ahiemstra | the real question about the entire affair most kde people are wondering about is what happens to qy |
| 11:25.12 | ahiemstra | qt* |
| 11:25.35 | Watermind | yeap |
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| 11:38.35 | Watermind | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-notifies-developers-that-qt-is-out-for-windows-phone-devel/ |
| 11:39.53 | woki | i hope no-one develops for the new phones |
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| 11:42.28 | The_User | woki: :( :( |
| 11:42.31 | The_User | woki: me too |
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| 11:43.04 | The_User | Android, this silly, stupid Java platform, ftw⦠|
| 11:44.54 | Watermind | I'm not a big fan of Java, but I really like Scala |
| 11:45.39 | annma | why is Android stupid? |
| 11:45.47 | annma | for end user it's nice |
| 11:46.08 | annma | this is an end users problem, not a geek devel one |
| 11:46.32 | Watermind | I don't even see why it would be stupid devel-wise |
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| 11:48.48 | The_User | well, MeeGo is much nicer, providing a real gnu/linux system without this java-focus |
| 11:48.52 | The_User | java is okay |
| 11:48.59 | The_User | but it shouldn't be the central component |
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| 11:49.13 | The_User | (well, java is not okay for me, but for others, and it is good to provide support) |
| 11:49.23 | Gentle | meego is also dead now, I heard |
| 11:49.53 | Watermind | not reallyt Gentle |
| 11:50.14 | Watermind | Gentle: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Longer-term-market-exploration-for-MeeGo-at-Nokia-1188018.html |
| 11:50.42 | Arithmos | hi, With the microsoft and nokia partnership, how long to see microsoft ransom nokia and closed Qt. What is the point of view of kde team ? |
| 11:51.25 | woki | nice question |
| 11:51.31 | Watermind | not really |
| 11:51.39 | Watermind | it's not like MS bought Nokia |
| 11:51.42 | Watermind | that makes no sense |
| 11:51.43 | The_User | Watermind: but I thik that means there won't be more meego smartphones |
| 11:52.02 | Watermind | The_User: there will be one released soon, but after that yeah... |
| 11:52.16 | Sho_ | Arithmos: Qt can never be closed. (a) It's under LGPL, and you can't retroactively change licenses on released versions. (b) Nokia doesn't have all copyrights because it has accepted patches without copyright assigment. (c) There has been a contract between Trolltech/Nokia and the FreeQt foundation for a long time that says that Qt automatically goes under the BSD license if product development is stopped or closed and a number of other scenarios. |
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| 11:52.33 | Watermind | The_User: there won't be nothing for the end user soon anyway, it becomes just a research platform |
| 11:52.36 | The_User | so there won't be any more interest in Qt-development on mobile-phones |
| 11:53.21 | The_User | even if a nice gnu/linux/qt platform will come back, it will be too late⦠|
| 11:53.41 | Watermind | The_User: well they say they'll soon have two platforms which Qt devels may target, but yes apparently nothing consumer ready in the short term |
| 11:53.47 | The_User | Arithmos: my point of view: horror-scenario |
| 11:54.27 | The_User | Watermind: and nobody will develop such stupid apps stupid people want to get for market-exploration-research-platforms |
| 11:54.42 | Watermind | The_User: yeap that's true |
| 11:55.10 | The_User | there might be good chances for high-quality-kde applications getting ported |
| 11:55.11 | The_User | but |
| 11:55.19 | woki | looks pretty much downhill to me |
| 11:55.24 | Watermind | qt is effectively out of the mobile phone market |
| 11:55.25 | The_User | kde is not the onliest provider of high-quality applications |
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| 11:55.48 | The_User | so even other serious developers won't target Qt |
| 11:56.10 | icarus-c | but i guess KDE is the biggest provider of High Quality Qt applications :P |
| 11:56.18 | The_User | the android lightbox seems not to be ready |
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| 11:57.15 | The_User | icarus-c: I wanted to say: a couple of the 100000s apps for iOS and Android might be really usefull and such developers now won't ever target Qt |
| 11:57.22 | Arithmos | Sho_: LGPL v3 ? |
| 11:57.38 | Sho_ | Arithmos: LGPL v2.1 |
| 11:58.22 | The_User | Sho_: btw, BSD license won't bring it back to the phones⦠|
| 11:58.52 | Sho_ | At no point did I say it would. |
| 11:59.06 | Sho_ | I was reacting to a question about whether Nokia could take Qt closed. |
| 12:00.16 | The_User | Sho_: yes, you didn't |
| 12:00.24 | The_User | just wanted to say that |
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| 12:01.52 | Sho_ | The_User: With regard to mobile phones, I've always said that what we really need to do is for the hardware to support installing other OS's, then expanding the infrastructure of our existing distributions to support them, and then target a KDE at it. My end game is buying a phone in the store, taking it home and installing the latest Fedora (or whatever) with KDE on it. |
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| 12:02.21 | The_User | yeah, would be nice |
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| 12:05.07 | Arithmos | Sho_: but perhaps you forgot that in my question Microsoft has ransom Nokia, then how did you think that microsoft would continue to apply the same policy and if not who can stop his decision ? |
| 12:05.45 | Sho_ | Arithmos: My point was that regardless of what Microsoft and Nokia do, they cannot take Qt away from the open source community. |
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| 12:06.34 | Sho_ | Arithmos: Long before Nokia bought Trolltech, there was always the question "what if Trolltech turns evil one day", so we protected ourselves against that scenario by setting up the FreeQt agreement (point 'c'). |
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| 12:07.22 | Sho_ | Arithmos: If Nokia really screws it up, we'll just take over. |
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| 12:11.39 | The_User | Arithmos: http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php |
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| 12:43.21 | gabriel9 | anyone use choqok? It works until some time, now i can't Authenticate with Twitter Service, i get Unauthorized Error |
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| 12:44.31 | Sho_ | try looking for a newer version, you probably have one that is too old to support the new oauth authentication twitter now uses |
| 12:44.38 | Sho_ | versions with oauth support have been out for some time though |
| 12:45.08 | gabriel9 | :/ |
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| 12:45.57 | gabriel9 | ok, i will try to find solution |
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| 12:46.49 | gabriel9 | but the package in Arch has updated 27.1.2011 :D |
| 12:47.25 | woki | gabriel9: i use arch and choqolk, got no problems |
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| 12:50.00 | gabriel9 | that is strange :/ |
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| 12:50.54 | gabriel9 | i will see it later now i go walk a little and think should i continue learn Qt and because of this ms nokia mess. |
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| 12:51.35 | Sho_ | gabriel9: sure you should :) |
| 12:52.02 | gabriel9 | but qt is great and i don't want to quit :) |
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| 13:05.00 | Verge | It's a bit paranoid to draw any conclusions from the MS-Nokia deal concerning Qt's future |
| 13:05.09 | Verge | imo |
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| 13:31.47 | Watermind | Verge: well you know Qt-everywhere is over |
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| 13:32.39 | Watermind | Verge: meaning Qt development will slow down |
| 13:32.46 | ahiemstra | Watermind: nah, they'll just rebrand to "Qt everywhere but on our phones" ;) |
| 13:32.54 | Watermind | Verge: and so will Koffice |
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| 13:35.03 | Sho_ | notes that KOffice existed for 10 years before Nokia ever heard about Qt |
| 13:36.04 | ahiemstra | Watermind: calligra will continue, don't worry too much about that |
| 13:36.32 | ahiemstra | it does mean there won't be calligra for future nokia phones though |
| 13:36.42 | Shaan7 | exactly |
| 13:36.58 | Shaan7 | types slower than ahiemstra :P |
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| 13:55.06 | Atlantic777 | Hi! I've just built kde 4.6.0 on gentoo but my cpu is always on 100%. The most power consuming process are kdeinit4 and kde4. There is a bug inde kde or in gentoo package? |
| 13:56.01 | annma | try to look what's triggering it |
| 13:56.17 | annma | did you ask other genttoers if they also have it? |
| 13:56.57 | The_User | ahiemstra: I hope the android lighthouse will make progress⦠|
| 13:56.57 | Atlantic777 | No, I started from here. |
| 13:57.24 | ahiemstra | The_User: yeah, that's going to be more interesting now |
| 13:57.39 | annma | Atlantic777: ask them there is a #gentoo-kde channel if I am right |
| 13:57.52 | Atlantic777 | annma: ok, I will. :) |
| 13:57.54 | Atlantic777 | thanks |
| 13:58.52 | annma | you're welcome |
| 13:58.54 | The_User | ahiemstra: we'll have to accept that android remains as onliest alternative and have to live with such ugly hacks |
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| 14:06.25 | ShmooliKipoD3 | hello |
| 14:06.39 | ShmooliKipoD3 | I have a problem with my KDE on linux |
| 14:06.50 | ShmooliKipoD3 | Can I ask about it here? |
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| 14:07.04 | ShmooliKipoD3 | KDE on Windows sorrry |
| 14:07.22 | cb400f | better ask in #kde-win ... most people here (if not all?) don't have a clue |
| 14:07.35 | cb400f | #kde-windows |
| 14:08.22 | ShmooliKipoD3 | cb400f: thanks |
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| 14:20.26 | pfrog | I suppose the nokia issue isn't that big of a deal seeing as Qt is lgpl'd but yeah... would suck to lose all the paid devs on it |
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| 14:22.54 | annma | nobody is out of job |
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| 14:23.06 | annma | in fact Nokia hired some just days ago |
| 14:23.29 | annma | for Qt I mean |
| 14:23.35 | cb400f | but does one hand know what the other hand is doing? |
| 14:24.02 | cb400f | after today it'll be a while before I expect any kind of sanity from Nokia again |
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| 14:26.56 | annma | yuo know better than Nokia employyees? |
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| 14:27.41 | annma | all I am telling is that Qt is not in jeopardy with this move, to answer pfrog comment |
| 14:28.09 | annma | and Nokia is something where Qt is an infinite small part |
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| 14:29.18 | petete | but i guess this is bad news for meego, isn't it? |
| 14:29.30 | annma | not really |
| 14:29.44 | annma | meego is still developed by Nokia |
| 14:30.06 | annma | nokia lost the smartphone battle way before today |
| 14:30.12 | ahiemstra | petete: also, intel is firmly behind meego |
| 14:30.24 | kriko | is qt dying now and so will kde, since nokia seems it will ditch it? |
| 14:30.36 | annma | kriko: don't be stupid |
| 14:30.45 | annma | why would qt be dying? |
| 14:31.08 | kriko | there are no plans for meego, nokia will adopt wp7 |
| 14:31.15 | kriko | there is no qt on wp7 |
| 14:31.16 | petete | yes, but i don't see nokia pushing both p7 and meego phones |
| 14:31.25 | annma | was nokia to adopt meego on all their phones anyway? |
| 14:31.28 | petete | but i don't know, we'll have to wait and see |
| 14:31.47 | kriko | ...and symbian is dead |
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| 14:31.52 | annma | some phones still ships Symbian and will for years |
| 14:32.04 | Tofe | Hello ! |
| 14:32.07 | annma | the new C3 series is very good |
| 14:32.22 | Tofe | Oh, I see the Nokia/MS news arrived there too :) |
| 14:32.53 | Tofe | I would have a simple question about the dashboard customization, in fact |
| 14:32.57 | kriko | well symbian doesn't have a good mobile ecosystem, what nokia want's to change with wp7, so symbian is practically a dead end |
| 14:33.08 | kriko | Tofe: go ahead |
| 14:33.20 | annma | symbian is OK for normal phones, not for smartphones |
| 14:33.25 | Tofe | How do we customize it ? :) I mean, the transparency, for instance |
| 14:33.42 | Tofe | I read that it should be available in 4.6 |
| 14:33.48 | kriko | Tofe: look at desktop effect, there is one for darkening dashboard |
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| 14:34.22 | Tofe | okay, I must have overlooked. I'll try there. Thanks! |
| 14:34.25 | kriko | it's called Dashboard |
| 14:34.49 | kriko | yes the effects should be better categorised, maybe a new view. |
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| 14:35.44 | Tofe | well, I tried to search for the "dashboard" work in the settings window, but there was only the setting with saying if we want to use a separate set of widgets for the dashboard |
| 14:35.55 | Tofe | word* |
| 14:36.26 | kriko | Tofe: System settings -> desktop effects |
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| 14:37.03 | Tofe | yepp, I just have to leave work to try it :) |
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| 14:39.22 | kriko | http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2011/02/11/nokia-windows-phone-will-not-support-qt-symbian-developers-left/ |
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| 14:43.57 | Tofe | Poor Nokia. This choice seems so bad that we may think Elok came there just to make this contract |
| 14:44.28 | Tofe | At least, Meego would have had copy/paste from the beginning... |
| 14:44.48 | Tofe | and would have been able to run Android apps. |
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| 14:47.09 | cb400f | it will be really interesting to see if this move really helps them on the smartphone market... seems bloody unlikely to me |
| 14:47.27 | kriko | the point here is QT wich would deliver low-cost cross-device apps |
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| 14:47.44 | kriko | it will if wp7 has a good ecosystem |
| 14:48.08 | kriko | honestly, ovi store and other stuff is porely integrated with current nokia devices |
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| 14:49.03 | annma | Qt |
| 14:49.08 | Shaan7 | annma: +1 |
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| 14:50.26 | Tofe | I have to leave -- thanks for the help ! See you! |
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| 20:17.11 | The_User | fincan: hmm, it should be in xorg.conf |
| 20:17.22 | The_User | XkbLayout |
| 20:18.48 | fincan | The_User: Section "InputDevice" |
| 20:18.49 | fincan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.49 | fincan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.49 | fincan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:18.50 | fincan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.51 | fincan | EndSection |
| 20:19.07 | fincan | and still us in kdm |
| 20:19.08 | The_User | I'm not an expert |
| 20:19.15 | The_User | but it should work I think |
| 20:19.25 | fincan | didnt :/ |
| 20:19.50 | The_User | well, I have US keyboard for LUKS and KDM and just memorized how to type my passphrases in us-layout ;) |
| 20:20.26 | The_User | too lazy to change it :D |
| 20:21.45 | fincan | wellI dont want to change my psw and I know "-"'s place but I prefer it works correctly :) |
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| 20:28.04 | leo_rockway | fincan: some time ago I used xorg.conf for that. When I tried it again recently, it didn't work. I too would like to find a way to do it (I know GDM has a keyboard layout option, at least in Ubuntu). |
| 20:29.03 | fincan | ââ |
| 20:29.04 | fincan | leo_rockway: there is no problem with GDM I have this problem with kdm for a long time but I wanna make it be over :) |
| 20:29.37 | leo_rockway | fincan: I'm saying that GDM has that feature that I'd like KDM to have. |
| 20:29.55 | leo_rockway | because I too want to change my KDM layout |
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| 20:30.46 | fincan | :/ |
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| 21:21.15 | guaqua | what's in charge of the run command interface? it doesn't seem to work for me at all right now |
| 21:22.04 | guaqua | not from third button menu or keyboard shortcut (.xsession-errors shows that something reacts to the keyboard shortcut) |
| 21:22.25 | james147 | guaqua: krunner |
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| 21:23.06 | guaqua | it seems to be running... |
| 21:23.31 | guaqua | but nothing happens |
| 21:23.53 | james147 | suggest killing and restarting it |
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| 21:25.13 | guaqua | it does seem to work now |
| 21:25.19 | guaqua | but i have no idea why it crashed |
| 21:26.02 | guaqua | or well. in general - edi |
| 21:26.14 | guaqua | modifying keyboard shortcuts seems to break all sorts of stuff |
| 21:26.27 | guaqua | krunner and switching between workspaces at least |
| 21:26.31 | guaqua | this on debian stable |
| 21:26.37 | guaqua | which, naturally, is old |
| 21:26.53 | guaqua | but the same issues have been there for as long as kde4 has been there |
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| 21:28.10 | james147 | guaqua: what version of kde? |
| 21:29.24 | guaqua | 4.4.5 it seems |
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| 21:30.39 | redeeman | hello - in kde 4.4 i used to be able to have powerdevil control the cpu frequency governor, this no longer seems possible in kde 4.6 - any reason why? is it something i can enable? |
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| 21:32.27 | james147 | guaqua: well, i have never noticed changing shortcuts breaking anything :S ... if it been there for a while i suggest you try creating a new user and seeing if they suffer from the same problem, its possible its a weird config error |
| 21:33.23 | guaqua | james147: i've encountered it several times |
| 21:33.31 | guaqua | with removed .kde-dir |
| 21:33.54 | guaqua | i guess i'd really need a pristine development version to actually debug this |
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| 21:34.40 | redeeman | so it seems they removed it since the user should never change that - thats insane |
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| 21:47.03 | kriko | redeeman: there is a solution |
| 21:47.18 | redeeman | i know, script, but i still find it annoying :P |
| 21:47.23 | kriko | yes |
| 21:47.24 | redeeman | or is there another solution? |
| 21:47.28 | kriko | no :D |
| 21:47.44 | redeeman | its more that i find the reasoning behind it crazy, kde shouldnt be gnomified |
| 21:47.48 | kriko | echo performance | sudo tee -a /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 21:48.14 | kriko | but you should be able to run sudo without password |
| 21:48.17 | kriko | it's messy I know |
| 21:48.29 | redeeman | but i dont use sudo, either way, i can easily take care of doing it via script myself |
| 21:48.43 | redeeman | i just find it completely crazy to remove an obviously useful function because some users might not comprehend it |
| 21:48.51 | kriko | mhm |
| 21:48.53 | redeeman | as is clearly stated in the mail with patch to remove |
| 21:48.58 | redeeman | http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=126800277431817&w=2 |
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| 21:56.33 | Germanaz0 | hello |
| 21:56.39 | Germanaz0 | which browser is cool for KDE ? |
| 21:56.47 | Germanaz0 | because Firefox o Chrome is for GTK |
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| 21:58.27 | kriko | Chrome works fine in kde |
| 21:58.40 | kriko | *chromium, it also uses kwallet |
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| 22:01.40 | andreime | hello! i updated kde 4.5.5 (or 4.5.4 not completly sure) to kde 4.6 in opensuse 11.3 and all the file associations have become messed up, no rule exist |
| 22:01.50 | andreime | is there any way to generate/fix this issue/ |
| 22:02.00 | pfrog | chromium might use a little bit of gtk but it mostly draws stuff through its own drawing library skia (googles take on cairo) |
| 22:02.38 | andreime | also the default applications are messed up |
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| 22:20.00 | roerich | andreime: rename .kde and .kde4 to other names after logging out then relogin to kde |
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| 22:31.37 | remur_030 | hi, where does powerdevil store it's default power profiles? |
| 22:32.32 | The_User | remur_030: powerdevilprofilesrc I guess |
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| 22:33.17 | The_User | if you want to reset it, just remove it and it will probably reappear |
| 22:33.39 | remur_030 | The_User: ah, no I want to modify the system default |
| 22:33.49 | remur_030 | but that name is a good start =) |
| 22:34.13 | The_User | hmm, for me there is nothing like that in /usr/share/kde4/config |
| 22:34.31 | remur_030 | nope =/ |
| 22:34.35 | The_User | ~/.kde4/share/config/powerdevil*rc |
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| 22:37.28 | remur_030 | The_User: http://paste.opensuse.org/8918027 =/ |
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| 22:39.26 | The_User | remur_030: that aren't configuration files |
| 22:39.50 | remur_030 | The_User: yes I know =) that's what the =/ smiley was for |
| 22:39.50 | The_User | a service-description, translation and library |
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| 22:40.23 | The_User | okay |
| 22:40.34 | The_User | but |
| 22:40.49 | The_User | when copying the local file to /usr/share/kde4/config |
| 22:40.52 | The_User | it should work |
| 22:40.59 | The_User | and it would become the system standard |
| 22:41.00 | The_User | I think |
| 22:41.34 | The_User | not 100% sure, but I think the kde-library won't create new config files if there is one in global space |
| 22:41.37 | The_User | try it |
| 22:41.39 | remur_030 | The_User: sounds good, I'll ask in our channel if that is ok |
| 22:41.53 | The_User | âyour channelâ? |
| 22:42.11 | remur_030 | opensuse-kde, i am looking for a simple way to add default actions to the powerbutton |
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| 22:42.22 | remur_030 | we had a user report and i think he is right |
| 22:46.31 | The_User | remur_030: btw |
| 22:46.43 | The_User | I think it is powerdevil2profilesrc |
| 22:47.13 | remur_030 | The_User: thanks I noticed |
| 22:47.42 | remur_030 | hmm the file stores translated strings? |
| 22:49.16 | The_User | remur_030: don't know |
| 22:49.32 | The_User | but it seems to work, it will copy the global config file to your personal config |
| 22:50.08 | The_User | you are talking about the profile names? |
| 22:50.11 | remur_030 | The_User: http://paste.opensuse.org/7418274 |
| 22:50.15 | The_User | I guess there is no way to translate them |
| 22:50.27 | remur_030 | the profile names are translated |
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| 22:50.43 | The_User | ah yes |
| 22:50.58 | The_User | it's user configurable so I think they aren't translatable |
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| 22:51.11 | remur_030 | yep =/ |
| 22:51.27 | remur_030 | so you guess the default will be generated on the fly by the code? |
| 22:51.31 | The_User | I guess it's the distribution's (your :D) task to create standard settings |
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| 22:51.59 | The_User | remur_030: I think so, but it also works with a global config file |
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| 22:52.16 | remur_030 | The_User: yeah =) |
| 22:52.44 | remur_030 | i am just so annoyed with it that I want to get it done |
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| 22:55.48 | remur_030 | The_User: it's hardcoded... |
| 22:55.50 | remur_030 | http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-workspace.git&a=blob&h=56b0043150027c1b304f5f510fcfded0c2969bdd&hb=deb07a84fc98f633571223e00effb67326871c2c&f=powerdevil/daemon/powerdevilprofilegenerator.cpp |
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| 23:42.52 | AgentC | hi |
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| 23:44.20 | AgentC | :=) sorry if i disturb, i only wanted to ask some questions about to get kde getting run correctly ;-) i think i made a mistake out of less knowledge ;-) |
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| 23:47.22 | AgentC | when i going to system-settings->desktop and try to click on an info button, the window manager shuts down immediatly back to loginprompt of debian(squeeze). same happens on some other situations. i cant find the error, what did i configurate wrongly ?!? |
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